ChemTrails over Twin Cities??
Phil Lee
Friday 9/24/99, at about noon. I saw two, perhaps three jets, laying a
parallel and criss-cross pattern of white "contrails," or perhaps
"chemtrails" over Minneapolis and St Paul metro area. It was a real nice
sunshiny, calm Fall day, just before that proverbial weekend, when many
people are trying for their last great weekend(s) before Winter. This, of
course, is very unusual because of the MSP hub, there are really no planes
flying at intermediate heights emitting white "contrails." Contrails is more
typical of planes flying transcontinental where the frigid air at 40+K feet
crystallizes the water vapor produced by burning jet fuel and air.
Very unusual.
If the the health issues reported by Wil Thomas are accurate, the chemicals
sprayed over the Cities are for mass innoculation for germ / bio-warfare
preparedness. The unfortunate side-effects is that it reportedly rids
society of the indigent and infirmed. So has anyone noticed any media
articles about a emergency crush at Hennepin County Medical Center or at
Ramsey Cty? It is advised that people stay indoors with the windows shut
during this innoculation. This is especially important for people who have
asthma or other respiratory ailments.
------
I read a post by David Ratliff in how he got asthma back after the train
derailment chemical spill near Duluth, MN last year. See his comments with a
DejaNews search on drat...@mn.mediaone.net 4/27/99 in
news:alt.alien.visitors
------
Wil Thomas, a reporter in BC, has an extensive web site documenting
"ChemTrails" over the major metro areas in the US. His site is at
http://strangehaze.freeservers.com/index.html . There are many sky pictures
showing the chemtrails. These were very similar to the ones over the Twins
yesterday. He has a private messageboard for logging people's reports at
http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb424920 . There is also a webring /
extensive worldwide links for the chemtrail controversy, see
http://www.contrailconnection.com . Heretofore, I have not heard of too many
chemtrails incidents over Minnesota, but maybe now it is our turn.
Sort of like fall fertilizing of your lawn....maybe the weeds will be less
next year.
Phil, Minneapolis, Silicon Tundra, pl...@orbis.net
cy...@visi.com
predictions and figured out why they were visible.
You have a much more interesting version of cause and effect than I
came up with, however. Thank you, I think, for sharing. It's
interesting to be reminded of the extent of the variations in
humanity.
On Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:06:35 -0500, "Phil Lee" <pl...@orbis.net> wrote:
>Hi, did anyone else noticed the jets spraying the Twin Cities yesterday,
>Friday 9/24/99, at about noon. I saw two, perhaps three jets, laying a
>parallel and criss-cross pattern of white "contrails," or perhaps
>"chemtrails" over Minneapolis and St Paul metro area.
>
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rec.backcountry vixen
I only answer my email every few months, on average.
Patience helps.
Steve Sheldon
>If the the health issues reported by Wil Thomas are accurate, the chemicals
>sprayed over the Cities are for mass innoculation for germ / bio-warfare
>preparedness. The unfortunate side-effects is that it reportedly rids
Do you think it is wise to admit you know the truth in a public forum?
Do you not fear the repercusions?
If not, you are very brave. We salute you for your dedication to humanity!
Steve
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Phil Lee
marketplace....maybe ChemLawn and the Feds are executing a superb case
study.
Phil, Minneapolis, Silicon Tundra, pl...@orbis.net
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Steve Sheldon wrote in message ...
Craig Steuart
Scot E. Wilcoxon
> parallel and criss-cross pattern of white "contrails," or perhaps
> This, of
> course, is very unusual because of the MSP hub, there are really no planes
There aren't planes over MSP? That's strange, as airports attract
planes. You see, there are dozens of radio beacons and beams emanating
from major airports (and other locations).
http://www.dot.state.mn.us/aeronautics/OPS/AEROMAP/mpls.html
See those wide lines radiating in various directions from various
locations in this area?
http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/navaid-info?id=MSP&type=VORTAC&name=MINNEAPOLIS
http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/navaid-info?type=NDB&id=MS&name=NARCO
These mark the airways which are followed by most planes. Jets at
cruising altitudes are in Class A Airspace and can fly over airports.
> flying at intermediate heights emitting white "contrails." Contrails is more
> typical of planes flying transcontinental where the frigid air at 40+K feet
> crystallizes the water vapor produced by burning jet fuel and air.
Transcontinental flights? Chicago-Seattle close enough? A quick look
at http://www.ual.com/ shows three flights leaving Chicago around Noon
on next Friday and four arriving at Chicago at 1-4 PM. Feel free to
check Detroit, Boston, NY, Philadelphia, etc. and major cities to the
West.
Notice that if you find a flight, during the time it is in the air you
can estimate its location on Flight Tracker on http://www.thetrip.com/
or on http://www.biztravel.com/ Right now, 16:35 Central on a
Saturday, the DC-10 UA943 is near Madison at 30,100 feet (and climbing
800fpm) going WNW toward the Twin Cities enroute from Chicago to
Seattle. Whoops, it went over Faribault (the ARTCC location:
http://www.faa.gov/ats/aglzmp/zmp1.htm ) at 16:55. Missed the Twin
Cities. OK, so try a city a little further north. Or maybe it did go
overhead, as the Java map is an estimate from the flight plan.
> If the the health issues reported by Wil Thomas are accurate,
"If"?
They must be accurate. All the above flight and airport info is from
the FAA, directly or indirectly. If that federal agency is going to so
much trouble to camouflage the covert flights, there must be something
they are hiding. You forgot, any simple explanation must be because a
conspiracy must be presenting a simple explanation for their nefarious
schemes.
Jim Manson
snip
>
>They must be accurate. All the above flight and airport info is from
>the FAA, directly or indirectly. If that federal agency is going to so
>much trouble to camouflage the covert flights,
If they were going to camouflage covert flights they would make sure
that there was no visible contrail.
( Hey, makes as much sense as the rest of the stuff...;-))
Chuck Kuhlman
Lithium prescription run out?
In the future, when you *do* run out of Lithium, you can cover your head
with aluminum foil. That will tide you over until you can get a new set
of meds.
As a bonus, if you go out in public wearing a temporary aluminum skull
cap, it will signal to everyone that you are low on meds and that
conscientious citizens should do all they can to help you get back on
track.
Larry Boatman
[snip]
> Wil Thomas, a reporter in BC, has an extensive web site documenting
> "ChemTrails" over the major metro areas in the US. His site is at
> http://strangehaze.freeservers.com/index.html . There are many sky pictures
> showing the chemtrails. These were very similar to the ones over the Twins
> yesterday. He has a private messageboard for logging people's reports at
> http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb424920 . There is also a webring /
> extensive worldwide links for the chemtrail controversy, see
> http://www.contrailconnection.com . Heretofore, I have not heard of too many
> chemtrails incidents over Minnesota, but maybe now it is our turn.
>
> Sort of like fall fertilizing of your lawn....maybe the weeds will be less
> next year.
Greetings All!
There was a column on this phenomenon in the St. Paul
Pioneer Press on 2MAY99 - "PATTERNS IN THE SKY?
HAPPY TRAILS TO YOU".
Some think it is a NASA project - code named TARFOX -
Tropospheric Aerosol Radiative Forcing Observational
eXperiment (see http://geo.arc.nasa.gov/sgg/tarfox/ ).
Still others associate it with the "AMC" (Air Mobility
Command) seen on the tails of some of the "tankers" spraying
the aerosal chemicals (a lab analysis of the "jelly" or "spider
web" or "angel hair" like material which has fallen as a result
of the "mis-aligned" or "clogged" nozzles on the "tankers" found
Pseudomonas Fluorescens, Streptomyces, and a restriction
enzyme used to create viruses). The "AMC" is associated
with some kind of military program for the counter-
proliferation of biological and nuclear weapons (the Air
Force WWW site for this program has recently become
restricted).
This story is quite interesting - I didn't realize that there are
websites devoted to "anomalous weather radar images"!
Stay in touch!
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"Phil Lee" <pl...@orbis.net> wrote:
> Hi, did anyone else noticed the jets spraying the Twin Cities
yesterday,
> parallel and criss-cross pattern of white "contrails," or perhaps
nice
> sunshiny, calm Fall day, just before that proverbial weekend, when
many
of
> course, is very unusual because of the MSP hub, there are really no
planes
is more
> typical of planes flying transcontinental where the frigid air at 40+K
feet
> crystallizes the water vapor produced by burning jet fuel and air.
>
>
> If the the health issues reported by Wil Thomas are accurate, the
chemicals
> sprayed over the Cities are for mass innoculation for germ /
bio-warfare
> preparedness. The unfortunate side-effects is that it reportedly rids
> articles about a emergency crush at Hennepin County Medical Center or
at
> Ramsey Cty? It is advised that people stay indoors with the windows
shut
> during this innoculation. This is especially important for people who
have
> asthma or other respiratory ailments.
>
> ------
>
> I read a post by David Ratliff in how he got asthma back after the
train
> derailment chemical spill near Duluth, MN last year. See his comments
with a
> DejaNews search on drat...@mn.mediaone.net 4/27/99 in
> news:alt.alien.visitors
>
> ------
>
> "ChemTrails" over the major metro areas in the US. His site is at
> http://strangehaze.freeservers.com/index.html . There are many sky
pictures
> showing the chemtrails. These were very similar to the ones over the
Twins
> yesterday. He has a private messageboard for logging people's reports
at
> http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb424920 . There is also a webring
/
> extensive worldwide links for the chemtrail controversy, see
> http://www.contrailconnection.com . Heretofore, I have not heard of
too many
> chemtrails incidents over Minnesota, but maybe now it is our turn.
>
> Sort of like fall fertilizing of your lawn....maybe the weeds will be
less
> next year.
>
One person raises an interesting point and six people respond with
varying degrees of disdain. Phil has clearly touched a nerve.
Has anybody no curiousity about why someone would be flying in such a
bizzare pattern. And all over the USA/Canada? If these planes are
commercial planes, why would they fly in criss-cross patterns? Have you
ever visited the sites mentioned above? If you haven't then maybe you
should because it is clear that the trail is coming not from the
engines, but from some kind of hose trailing from the back of the plane.
One website on chemtrails records visitors, and it appears that a fair
portion of the US government, including the senate, has visited. It is
linked to the contrailconnection site. There are tales of sickness and
death following this spraying. The spray has been found to contain EDB,
a very carcinogenic chemical.Granted it is/was used in US military plane
fuel. So if these planes are unloading their unspent fuel should they be
permitted to do it over populated areas?They know this stuff kills
people and yet they persist in dumping/spraying the stuff over populated
areas.
so
if commercial planes are doing this why would they be flying in bizzare
patterns?
If it is the military why are they permitted to dump unspent
carcinogenic fuel over populated areas? Fuel consumption can be
accurately calculated.
Unless there is a more sinister motive.
Curious?? You should be.
Chris
ps I'll expect the usual emails
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Steve Sheldon
>Larry Boatman <LarryB...@mn.mediaone.net> wrote:
>>And one wonders at the list of visitors to the "Chemtrail
>>Tracking" page - why, for example, would Alliant
>>Tech Systems have an interest in this?
>>
>> http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm
>Are you really this dense?
I especially love the picture about half way down the page which shows...
"Typical Chemtrail Progression: Feb 14 1999..." Basically shows a standard
contrail off a plane, but get this... there are trees in the foreground with
frost on them, clearly indicating the weather conditions were right for
contrails.
Michal Choquette
"chemtrails"? What you're seeing is actually high-altuitude spraying for
mosquitoes. And it must have worked. Haven't seen a mosquito since Friday
afternoon.
Phil Lee wrote:
> "Hi, did anyone else noticed the jets spraying the Twin Cities yesterday,
> Friday 9/24/99, at about noon. I saw two, perhaps three jets, laying a
> parallel and criss-cross pattern of white "contrails," or perhaps
> "chemtrails" over Minneapolis and St Paul metro area". . . .
>
> ". . .the chemicals sprayed over the Cities are for mass innoculation for
Craig Wilson
>On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 09:04:09 GMT, mcc...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>If it is the military why are they permitted to dump unspent
>>carcinogenic fuel over populated areas? Fuel consumption can be
>>accurately calculated.
>
>All the planes I saw were typical commercial passenger jets.
In the early to mid- 1970's, I was stationed at a secret weapons testing
base in the South Pacific. There was a lot of military and commercial
flight traffic, although it was the commercial flights that would come right
over us while landing. I mean that the jets would be landing, not that they
would fly over us while WE were landing. We were already on the ground,
firing experimental weapons. Not at the jets. We didn't shoot at the jets,
although a Master Sergeant did have us lock and load on a Navy helicopter
(blue, not black) that refused to stay out of the hazard area.
I remember many times standing out on the secret weapons firing range,
trying to teach Marines, Special US Naval Units, and members of foreign
armed services to effectively spend Tax Dollars by using fewer rounds to
disable and destroy targets, when a commercial flight would go over on its
way to a landing. As it passed over, I could see a discharge vortexing out
from the wingtips.
I assumed that this was an attempt by the Soviets or the Chinese to use
commercial airplanes to attack our secret weapons testing base. That is,
until the first energy crisis in 1973, which was obviously a conspiracy by
the US Government. After that, I didn't see the discharge anymore. I
suspect that the discharge was petroleum based and became too expensive for
the Commies.
Although later, the Red Chinese did launch a nuclear strike against us.
Fortunately, their technology was so primitive that the blast missed our
island by a couple of thousand of miles. We were bathed in fallout,
however, and the Chinese do not have real clean weapons.
I know our base was supposed to be a secret facility because Congress, the
Secretary of the Navy, the US Marine Corps and CINCPAC (Commander In Chief
of the PACific) would not acknowledge our existence when it came time to
allocate funds for ammenities like toilet paper, fuel oil to heat the water
for the showers, or rat free barracks.
I can tell you from experience, there is nothing more disconcerting than to
wake up in the middle of the night and have a rat sitting on your chest,
staring into your face with those beady little rat eyes. I think that they
were actually specially trained rat spies, projecting some sort of mind
control ray at me while I slept. I mean, why else would a rat want to sit
on me in the middle of the night.
I could go on and tell you about the giant chain that I found on the beach
one winter, when most of the sand was gone from the beach, probably stolen
by communist insurgents. The sand, I mean, was probably stolen, not the
chain, which was still there. Some 'scientists' claimed that the action of
the ocean in the winter took the sand out to sea, and would bring it back in
the spring. Obviously, this was just a cover story to keep us from getting
too worried about the insurgents operating that close to our secret weapons
facility. I mean, have you ever heard anything so silly as 'the ocean'
taking sand away from a beach?
Anyway, I suspect that the chain is attached to a giant plug, that if
pulled, would most likely drain the Pacific. I mean, it had to be something
big. After all, I pulled on the chain and I couldn't pull it out. Plus,
our commanding officer would not comment on whether that chain was attached
to a plug, so I feel that he was definitely hiding something.
Thanks so much for providing me the starting point for this, now relevant,
posting.
--------
/craig
cy...@visi.com
On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:41:24 -0500, Craig Wilson <cr...@wavefront.com>
wrote:
Jim Manson
>Jim Manson <J...@Manson.com> writes:
>
>>Larry Boatman <LarryB...@mn.mediaone.net> wrote:
>>>And one wonders at the list of visitors to the "Chemtrail
>>>Tracking" page - why, for example, would Alliant
>>>Tech Systems have an interest in this?
>>>
>>> http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm
>
>
>>Are you really this dense?
>
>I especially love the picture about half way down the page which shows...
>
>"Typical Chemtrail Progression: Feb 14 1999..." Basically shows a standard
>contrail off a plane, but get this... there are trees in the foreground with
>frost on them, clearly indicating the weather conditions were right for
>contrails.
I was wondering who was going to catch that one....;-)
Basically what the twit that did the page doesn't realize, or does
realize and is simply lying, is that contrails don't always last the
same length of time due to different atmospheric conditions and are
not always the same in appearance..
To show that very quickly how does he know that the "normal" contrails
are "normal" contrails? Kind of a major assumption wouldn't you say?
Th real amusing part is that the alleged "spray" in every single one
of the pictures matches up directly with the engine exhaust and in
several show clearly that they are outside the area of the tail plane
and therefore it's impossible for them to be sprayed *from* the tail
as he claims.
I think someone is having some fun with the conspiracy groupies and
the page is a major troll. One that apparently works too.
I may have found my next hobby...;-)
( Oh yeah, regardless of what he claims cirrus clouds can't form from
vapor spray either....)
Sergio Spamozza
>Hi, did anyone else noticed the jets spraying the Twin Cities yesterday,
>Friday 9/24/99, at about noon. I saw two, perhaps three jets, laying a
>parallel and criss-cross pattern of white "contrails," or perhaps
Yes, I did. I observed the aircraft with a high power telescope. The
telescope used was a Celestron CM 1400 14" Schmidt Cassegrain with a
computer controlled axis corrector.
Unfortunately I only observed one aircraft. Normally I use a Sun
Solaris computer system for the tracking controller, but today I had to
use a Microsoft Windows NT based system, and it kept crashing. What
a joke for an OS !
The aircraft were Airbus A340's, except they had a strange modification
to the fuselage. I observed a 'hump', probably extending upward of 10
feet from directly behind the cockpit to midway between the tail and
the wing of the aircraft. These were freighter versions of the
aircraft, there were no apparent windows.
I observed another modification, a black and chromium tube extending
from the tail of the aircraft, and there was a chemtrail ejecting from
this tube. There was a very small yellow line running about midway
along this tube. The tube was about 10 feet long, and approximately 3
feet in diameter.
The aircraft also had very strange markings. The tail on the aircraft
had the markings 'UN 560223'. These were not USAF 'REACH' aircraft,
because I don't know of any airbase that uses a 'UN' designator, and
the USAF does not fly A340's ! I also saw a logo underneath the pilot
window. It was a bear with a sword underneath it. Next to this was a
logo of a globe with the letters "UCNX" underneath. The planes were
painted a flat gray. Underneath the starboard wing the letters 'UN' was
painted in a gray which was slightly darker thant the rest of the
wing.
I estimate they were flying at an altitude of 38000 feet, and along an
axis parallel to 45.18 N latitude (right over Coon Rapids). The winds
were from the north that day, so any chemicals would have floated right
over the Twin Cities quite nicely I imagine.
May God be with us, this all seems to be very sinister.
Erik Funkenbusch
this during the day. Why not do it at night when there is less air traffic
and less danger of being observed by paranoid anti-government types? ;)
Oh, maybe they're doing because they KNOW you're watching. They expect you
to report this activity and are trying to make you look even more ludicrous
so that their REAL plans will never be believed ;)
Chuck West
>And then came the BLACK HELICOPTERS...........
And these didn't, smart guy:
http://www.olywa.net/angels/kaos.html - Look for the Chemtrail link.
Humour is only funny when it is based in truth. Anyone that takes two
minutes to study this stuff can see, something is wrong. Smart comments
regarding this issue only shows you have no idea what is going on.
-Chuck
Chuck West
>I don't suppose you happen to have a photo of one of these planes or
>other physical proof? I thought not.
Jim Manson
>
>>And then came the BLACK HELICOPTERS...........
>
>
>And these didn't, smart guy:
>
>http://www.olywa.net/angels/kaos.html - Look for the Chemtrail link.
Hard to look, the server is down. Must be a plot. The MIBs have struck
again!
>
>Humour is only funny when it is based in truth. Anyone that takes two
>minutes to study this stuff can see, something is wrong.
I fully agree. Having looked at several of the sites I do think
something is wrong. The twits that put the sites up need to get back
to reality.
Go look at the photos again- every single one shows the alleged
"spray" perfectly in line with the engine exhaust and frequently in
line with nothing else.
Gee, I wonder why that is?
Unfortunately the people involved are either too stupid or too
delusional to understand that contrails vary all over the map just
like clouds do. In simpler terms, atmospheric conditions are not the
same from day to day or from place to place.
Ever notice that sometimes you see very visible contrails and on other
days you barely see one at all? Given that, what's so difficult about
the concept of contrails sometimes being much heaver than normal or
lasting much longer than at other times? Anyone taking even a cursory
glance at contrails will notice that the length, i.e. persistence,
varies from day to day too.
So what we have is the fact that under some conditions contrails will
be heavier than normal and will persist longer than normal but always
in line with engine exhaust.
Big deal.
>Smart comments
>regarding this issue only shows you have no idea what is going on.
You mean he doesn't accept every crackpot conspiracy theory around.
Jim Manson
Bert Hyman
>
>Sorry the MIBs got to the servers, they're down.
>
But then, isn't MIB already plural?
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Jim Manson
>In article <ruq72c...@corp.supernews.com>, Phil Lee <pl...@orbis.net> wrote:
>>Hi, did anyone else noticed the jets spraying the Twin Cities yesterday,
>>Friday 9/24/99, at about noon. I saw two, perhaps three jets, laying a
>>parallel and criss-cross pattern of white "contrails," or perhaps
>
>Yes, I did. I observed the aircraft with a high power telescope. The
>telescope used was a Celestron CM 1400 14" Schmidt Cassegrain with a
>computer controlled axis corrector.
I think you either need new lenses or else a better spotter's guide.
>The aircraft were Airbus A340's, except they had a strange modification
>to the fuselage. I observed a 'hump', probably extending upward of 10
>feet from directly behind the cockpit to midway between the tail and
>the wing of the aircraft. These were freighter versions of the
>aircraft, there were no apparent windows.
There is no freighter version of the A340. Thanks for playing though.
The only A340s that exist are commercial airliners.
At least that's according to Airbus Industries but they are probably
in on the conspiracy.
Let's see:
278 A330/A340s delivered worldwide with 45 operators. All
commercial.
Considering how wrong this observation was I wouldn't put a lot of
weight on the rest.
>
>I observed another modification, a black and chromium tube extending
>from the tail of the aircraft, and there was a chemtrail ejecting from
>this tube. There was a very small yellow line running about midway
>along this tube. The tube was about 10 feet long, and approximately 3
>feet in diameter.
You can't tell what kind of plane it is but you can tell there's a
"chemical" ejecting.
Uh-huh.
>
>The aircraft also had very strange markings. The tail on the aircraft
>had the markings 'UN 560223'. These were not USAF 'REACH' aircraft,
>because I don't know of any airbase that uses a 'UN' designator, and
>the USAF does not fly A340's !
Well, since you didn't see an A340 I guess that's not important.
So we have a plane of unknown type that may or may not even be a US
plane that may or may not have some type of pipe under it that may or
may not have been "ejecting" something.
That pretty much sum it up?
> I also saw a logo underneath the pilot
>window. It was a bear with a sword underneath it. Next to this was a
>logo of a globe with the letters "UCNX" underneath. The planes were
>painted a flat gray. Underneath the starboard wing the letters 'UN' was
>painted in a gray which was slightly darker thant the rest of the
>wing.
Considering the possible countries involved who knows. Did you check
all possible international insignia?
>
>May God be with us, this all seems to be very sinister.
Actually it seems very silly but what the heck.
Jim Manson
>X-no-archive: yes
>
>Here are some web pages where you can read about how contrails are
>formed and how they can stick around and form clouds:
>
>http://covis.atmos.uiuc.edu/guide/clouds/other.clouds/html/contrail.html
>http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/contrail.html
>http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/SCOOL/contrails.html
>http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/SCOOL/News3.Eng.pdf
>
>From the NASA site:
>-=-=-=-=-
Well sure it says that on the NASA site- it's part of the conspiracy
in order to lull us into a false sense of security.
Geez don't you know anything about these things?...;-)
Craig Wilson
>In <debvN+bf3a7AvL...@4ax.com> J...@Manson.com (Jim Manson) wrote:
>>
>>Sorry the MIBs got to the servers, they're down.
>>
>Is it "MIBs" or "MsIB"? Kind of like spoonfulls or spoonsfull, you know?
>
>But then, isn't MIB already plural?
CONFUSION is just another of THEIR tools to keep the people clueless and
down!!!! Notice how close CONFUSION is to CONFUCIOUS?? It is OBVIOUS that
this is part of the PLAN. We are getting primed for the SLAUGHTER!!
--------
/craig
Craig Wilson
>Craig, you forgot to crosspost this to alt.conpiracy, where several others
>could verify your story with several of their own similar tales. ;)
alt.conspiracy is nothing but a front for United Nations operatives intent
on conquering cyberspace in their stylish black jumpsuits with red piping,
white gloves, berets, and scarfs.
They plan on making us all conform to their dress code. Pretty soon
everyone will be required to blouse their trousers. And if you do not know
what I mean, it is only an indication that THEY are keeping you in the DARK
until they plan to strike.
--------
/craig
Richard Kaszeta
> They plan on making us all conform to their dress code. Pretty soon
> everyone will be required to blouse their trousers. And if you do not know
> what I mean, it is only an indication that THEY are keeping you in the DARK
> until they plan to strike.
Or even WORSE, THEY will force US to RANDOMLY capitalize WORDS in our POSTS!
Richard Kaszeta
> I must say that this is one of the absolute lamest conspiracies that I
> have seen.
Not even close! So far, the lamest conspiracy theory I have ever seen
was "The Titanic Conspiracy : Cover-Ups and Mysteries of the World's
Most Famous Sea Disaster", by Gardiner et al. March 1996.
The authors claim that the wreck of the Titanic really isn't the
Titanic, but actually the wreck of the sister ship Olympic, sunken
deliberately in an insurance scam.
However, this theory has a number of problems:
1. A particular lack of any concrete evidence supporting their theory.
2. They present evidence that actually contradicts their theory (such
as pointing out that in one pictur eof the Titantic's prop on the
ocean floor, a number is visible. They trace this number back to
the casting shop that made the prop, and the records show that the
prop was cast for the Titanic, not the Olympic. *I'd* say this was
evidence against them. They claim it's evidence of a deeper conspiracy)
So despite having no evidence, they barrel onwards at full speed for
hundreds of pages of the most obfuscated, convoluted, and just plain
insensible conjecture.
Heck, compared to that, at least the chemtrails stuff has some
interesting pictures to look at... Of course, I can't talk about the
chemtrails since I am both qualified (MS in fluid mechanics and much
study of aerosol formation) and I used to work for the department of
energy, so anything I'd say would be dismissed since I am one of "Them".
Chuck West
>web site to prevent The Truth from getting out!"
My ISP is broke down. Nice delusion of grandure...
>I must say that this is one of the absolute lamest conspiracies that I
>have seen. My 10 year-old daughter would have been able to see those
>were normal contrails in all those pictures.
Not at that altitude, not crossing each other, not turning off and on, and
not according to the local police.
>The sad part is when I
>searched on contrails using Alta Vista over half the sites were
>"chemtrail" sites. I visited a bunch of them and all the pictures are
>nothing special.
Maybe because there is something to it?
Chuck West
mist and tested in laboritories containing human genome.
Newsgroups are not known for thier rocket scientists, but I wish people
would shut up until they learn what the heck thay are talking about before
displaying thier gross ignorance. This isn't some little paranoid caveat, it
is the real deal. If the Canadian Broadcasting Company is all over this,
there has to be something to it, or are the confused too? All those silly
PhD's are wrong too right? A lot of people have the party line down to an
art, i.e.: normal contrails. THEY ARE NOT NORMAL! As a pilot, a skydiver,
and ex-Boeing employee (retired), I assure you... THEY ARE NOT NORMAL!
SNAP OUT OF IT!
-Chuck
Sergio Spamozza
Jim Manson <J...@Manson.com> wrote:
>spam...@mpls.k12.mn.us (Sergio Spamozza) wrote:
>
>>In article <ruq72c...@corp.supernews.com>, Phil Lee <pl...@orbis.net> wrote:
>>>Hi, did anyone else noticed the jets spraying the Twin Cities yesterday,
>>>Friday 9/24/99, at about noon. I saw two, perhaps three jets, laying a
>>>parallel and criss-cross pattern of white "contrails," or perhaps
>>
>>Yes, I did. I observed the aircraft with a high power telescope. The
>>telescope used was a Celestron CM 1400 14" Schmidt Cassegrain with a
>>computer controlled axis corrector.
>
>I think you either need new lenses or else a better spotter's guide.
Excuse me my good man, but a 14" Celestron is not a 'spotters guide.' It
is a light gathering monster. I even discovered the asteroid Spamozius-1994
with it back in 1993, which was a magnitude 32 asteroid.
And the main component of a Schmidt Cassegrain is not a 'lens', but a
mirror. Duh.
>
>>The aircraft were Airbus A340's, except they had a strange modification
>>to the fuselage. I observed a 'hump', probably extending upward of 10
>>feet from directly behind the cockpit to midway between the tail and
>>the wing of the aircraft. These were freighter versions of the
>>aircraft, there were no apparent windows.
>
>
>There is no freighter version of the A340. Thanks for playing though.
>The only A340s that exist are commercial airliners.
If you saw it, you would say it was an Airbus A340, because that is the
only thing in the sky that resembles it. The length/span ratio was 1.05583,
the wings had winglets, it had 4 Rolls-Royse Trent 556 engines, and the
most damning evidence was the layout of the HF/VHF/UHF antennas and the GPS
antenna - most clearly an A340 suite of electronics. The structure of the
wing slats/flaps were also unique to the A340 airframe.
It looks like it was an A340, doesn't it Mister Smarty Pants ?
Obviously the operator modified the airframe themselves, or Airbus delivered
it as a special order. Don't forget the hump running down the back of it.
I also received email from a spotter in Lapland, and they claim they saw the
exact same aircraft spraying near the Arctic Circle.
Camille Klein
#On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:09:32 -0500, S Smith <sc...@wwwebworld.com> typed:
#>Craig, you forgot to crosspost this to alt.conpiracy, where several others
#>could verify your story with several of their own similar tales. ;)
#alt.conspiracy is nothing but a front for United Nations operatives intent
#on conquering cyberspace in their stylish black jumpsuits with red piping,
#white gloves, berets, and scarfs.
I thought that was the Brotherhood of NOD.
--Camille. One vision, one purpose!
--
"The only way to settle questions of an ideological nature or
controversial issues among the people is by the democratic method, the
method of discussion, of criticism, of persuasion and education, and not
by the method of coercion or repression"--Mao Tse-Tung, 27 February 1957
Jim Manson
Wouldn't you know it. As soon as I get on a thread like this some
paranoid loon decides to e-mail me to find out " who I am and why am I
arguing about this"
I guess I act enough like an MIB to be worth interrogating...;-)
To cop a phrase from the old time radio team of Hudson & Landry
" Boy, I couldn't live like that....."
Steve Sheldon
>Unfortunately I only observed one aircraft. Normally I use a Sun
>Solaris computer system for the tracking controller, but today I had to
>use a Microsoft Windows NT based system, and it kept crashing. What
>a joke for an OS !
We finally have a link between the Unix kooks and the Conspiracy kooks.
Somehow I knew it all along...
:)
Steve Sheldon
>What I don't understand is why anyone would believe that the MIB's would do
>this during the day. Why not do it at night when there is less air traffic
>and less danger of being observed by paranoid anti-government types? ;)
You forget Erik...
The MIB are smart enough to arrange these grand conspiracies involving
thousands of people...
But they aren't smart enough to out wit the conspiracy kooks! Even if it
does involve plain simple common sense.
Steve Sheldon
>olywa.net must be down today.
The MIB took it off the air.
>Anyway, are these similar to the pics at
>http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm? If so, they are normal
>contrails. I see contrails all the time on the east-west flights that
>pass over southern MN and the wide angle sky shots are nothing unusual.
>In the closeups you can see they are forming directly behind the
>engines.
You also have water vapor forming off the wings...
Steve Sheldon
>SNAP OUT OF IT!
Ahh, this reminds me of the Saturn-Like Object conspiracy...
http://www.sipe.com/halebopp/slo1.htm
Read the scientific data disputing the story...
Followed by the letters claiming this was a conspiracy perpetrated by NASA
and a whole slew of other groups.
Conspiracy theories are entertaining when they have some substance. The
assassination of JFK for instance people are able to spin a credible tail
explaining it.
Even Lincoln/Baigent/Leigh's "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" is incredibly
entertaining and really makes one think.
But taking pictures of easily recognizable things, and claiming that they
are something totally completely different is boring.
Hell even the pictures of Bigfoot and the Lochness monster were more
entertaining than this.
I'm personally surprised Mike Schneider hasn't jumped on us for doubting
his buddies beliefs.
aangen
Serves you right for not taking the deal they offered you.
Jim Manson
>In article <uvTvN60ZAmRtOM...@4ax.com>,
>Jim Manson <J...@Manson.com> wrote:
>>spam...@mpls.k12.mn.us (Sergio Spamozza) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <ruq72c...@corp.supernews.com>, Phil Lee <pl...@orbis.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi, did anyone else noticed the jets spraying the Twin Cities yesterday,
>>>>Friday 9/24/99, at about noon. I saw two, perhaps three jets, laying a
>>>>parallel and criss-cross pattern of white "contrails," or perhaps
>>>
>>>Yes, I did. I observed the aircraft with a high power telescope. The
>>>telescope used was a Celestron CM 1400 14" Schmidt Cassegrain with a
>>>computer controlled axis corrector.
>>
>>I think you either need new lenses or else a better spotter's guide.
>
>Excuse me my good man, but a 14" Celestron is not a 'spotters guide.' It
>is a light gathering monster. I even discovered the asteroid Spamozius-1994
>with it back in 1993, which was a magnitude 32 asteroid.
A spotter's guide is a book with plane photos.
>
>And the main component of a Schmidt Cassegrain is not a 'lens', but a
>mirror. Duh.
>
>>
>>>The aircraft were Airbus A340's, except they had a strange modification
>>>to the fuselage. I observed a 'hump', probably extending upward of 10
>>>feet from directly behind the cockpit to midway between the tail and
>>>the wing of the aircraft. These were freighter versions of the
>>>aircraft, there were no apparent windows.
>>
>>
>>There is no freighter version of the A340. Thanks for playing though.
>>The only A340s that exist are commercial airliners.
>
>If you saw it, you would say it was an Airbus A340, because that is the
>only thing in the sky that resembles it. The length/span ratio was 1.05583,
>the wings had winglets, it had 4 Rolls-Royse Trent 556 engines, and the
>most damning evidence was the layout of the HF/VHF/UHF antennas and the GPS
>antenna - most clearly an A340 suite of electronics. The structure of the
>wing slats/flaps were also unique to the A340 airframe.
>
>It looks like it was an A340, doesn't it Mister Smarty Pants ?
It's irrelevant whether or not you think it was a freghter version of
a A340. If you saw an A340 then you saw a simple commercial passenger
airline.
No ifs, and or buts.
>
>Obviously the operator modified the airframe themselves, or Airbus delivered
>it as a special order. Don't forget the hump running down the back of it.
>
Airbus would have no reason to not show that and would quite likely
pump it up quite a bit as a sales point.
Unless we are back to them being part of the conspiracy.
Modifying it to the degree you mention would be futile for quite a few
reasons, cost being one of them.
>I also received email from a spotter in Lapland, and they claim they saw the
>exact same aircraft spraying near the Arctic Circle.
That's nice.
Ever see how many people see the UFO aductors on a nice summer night?
My guess is that you saw a normal commerical flight, got confused and
based on your description the other guy gave a "me too".
Jim Manson
> I'm personally surprised Mike Schneider hasn't jumped on us for doubting
>his buddies beliefs.
Maybe even Mikey realizes how doomed this particular one is.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice that the contrails all are
in line with the engine exhaust in the their photos. I'm surprised
they haven't claimed the nozzles are *in* the engines yet.
I did love the " Gee I'm a skydiver and turned wrenches at Boeing so
I'm an expert in atmospheric phenomenon".
Oh yeah a pilot too. I wonder how often he flew with the window down
looking behind. Might explain a few things......
Now we have the government, maybe ours, as well as Airbus Industries,
which, being a European multi-national consortium, is obviously part
of the New World Order......;-)
Amazing.
Camille Klein
#>I thought that was the Brotherhood of NOD.
#Kane lives on, even in death! ;)
I love that game. I can't wait til "Tiberian Twilight" comes out. :)
--Camille.
Camille Klein
#>I think you either need new lenses or else a better spotter's guide.
#Excuse me my good man, but a 14" Celestron is not a 'spotters guide.' It
Excuse me, my good man, but you need to get a clue.
Camille Klein
#...oh yeah, and linger for hours on a hot day and seen as a falling aresol
#mist and tested in laboritories containing human genome.
Proof, please. Names, places, dates.
#Newsgroups are not known for thier rocket scientists, but I wish people
You're living proof.
#would shut up until they learn what the heck thay are talking about before
#displaying thier gross ignorance. This isn't some little paranoid caveat, it
Speak for yourself.
#is the real deal. If the Canadian Broadcasting Company is all over this,
#there has to be something to it, or are the confused too? All those silly
Proof, please.
CJS
Bill Seurer wrote:
> X-no-archive: yes
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > What I don't understand is why anyone would believe that the MIB's would do
> > this during the day. Why not do it at night when there is less air traffic
> > and less danger of being observed by paranoid anti-government types? ;)
>
> Not only are they stupid to do it during the day but they are even more
> stupid to not look out the back of their planes and notice that their
> spray is visible. There they are using custom versions of multimillion
> dollar commercial aircraft (the "cargo" version of the A340 which
> doesn't really exist) but they can't use a spray that isn't visible.
> Sheesh.
>
> Of course the only people more stupid than those doing the spraying are
> the morons who believe in this conspiracy.
Not to mention the fact that spraying from thousands of feet up is idiotic. If
water (normal contrails) doesn't sink, why would chemicals, many of which are
lighter than water? Add to this 100+ mph winds, and anything which does land
will be half way around the world. Oh, and poisons are usually volatile and
evaporate quickly...
Cheers...Craig
---
I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
- Calvin (and Hobbes)
All I want is a warm bed and a kind word and unlimited power.
- Ashleigh Brilliant
I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
- Fred Allen
CJS
Chuck West wrote:
> Not at that altitude,
What altitude? I'm a pilot and aero engineer, and I can't tell altitude from
the ground.
> not crossing each other,
Pick up a Jeppeson chart. Sheesh. Learn a little about navigation, please.
> not turning off and on,
Air is not homogenous. Contrail formation is dependent on a number of
variables. As the engines crosses into different air masses, the contrail
will start and stop. If you bothered to pick up a book on jet engines or
study the SUCCESS program, you'd realize this.
> and not according to the local police.
Oh, so Chief Wiggam is now your expert witness?
CJS
Steve Sheldon wrote:
> I'm personally surprised Mike Schneider hasn't jumped on us for doubting
> his buddies beliefs.
Oh, hell. Even Ian Goddard ("The evil gubbmint done gone shot down TWA 800") has
put up a site lambasting the chemtrail loons. If it's too fringe for Goddard,
it's waaaay out there.
Cheers...Craig
CJS
> In article <uvTvN60ZAmRtOM...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Manson <J...@Manson.com> wrote:
> >spam...@mpls.k12.mn.us (Sergio Spamozza) wrote:
>
> >>The aircraft were Airbus A340's, except they had a strange modification
> >>to the fuselage. I observed a 'hump', probably extending upward of 10
> >>feet from directly behind the cockpit to midway between the tail and
> >>the wing of the aircraft. These were freighter versions of the
> >>aircraft, there were no apparent windows.
> >
> >
> >There is no freighter version of the A340. Thanks for playing though.
> >The only A340s that exist are commercial airliners.
>
> If you saw it, you would say it was an Airbus A340, because that is the
> only thing in the sky that resembles it. The length/span ratio was 1.05583,
> the wings had winglets, it had 4 Rolls-Royse Trent 556 engines, and the
> most damning evidence was the layout of the HF/VHF/UHF antennas and the GPS
> antenna - most clearly an A340 suite of electronics. The structure of the
> wing slats/flaps were also unique to the A340 airframe.
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
How in the name of God could you tell that the plane was carrying Trent engines???
Did you measure the bypass ratio? Also, if you were able to accurately measure the
length/span ratio (to 6 significant figures, my ass), this means that you were below
the plane. Care to explain then how you could see the side/top paint job? Also,
most of the antennae are inside the plane. How did you see them?
> It looks like it was an A340, doesn't it Mister Smarty Pants ?
Oh, yeah.
> Obviously the operator modified the airframe themselves,
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!! How old are you? Do you have any idea of how impossible
this is? Oh, don't listen to me. I'm only an aero engineer.
> or Airbus delivered it as a special order.
Sure. They did just this one and then hid it from the commercial market.
> Don't forget the hump running down the back of it.
Oh, we haven't.
> I also received email from a spotter in Lapland, and they claim they saw the
> exact same aircraft spraying near the Arctic Circle.
And still no photos. Plus, why is this aircraft spraying ice? I thought it was part
of the big bad conspiracy to get us?
Mike z.Schneider
From: CJS <cshieldsC...@graymills.com>
Newsgroups: mn.general,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: ChemTrails over Twin Cities??
In article <37F0E643...@graymills.com>, CJS
<cshieldsC...@graymills.com> wrote:
> Sergio Spamozza wrote:
>snip<
mn.general crossposted to alt.conspiracy over the entire thread?
My, my.... What happened to the Colt.38 forge-cancelbot?
Mike Schneider, VRWC Sentinel Outpost. "Autoguns, on-line!" +--+--+--+
Reply to mike1@@@winternet.com sans two @@, or your reply won't reach me.
"Awright.... Lissen up, you primitive screwheads: This is my BOOM-STICK!"
-- Army of Darkness
Mike z.Schneider
Sheldon) wrote:
> You forget Erik...
>
> The MIB are smart enough to arrange these grand conspiracies involving
> thousands of people...
...in such seemingly up-front business as *war*, no less:
Re: TWA: Who Speaks Conspiracy?
Author: Billy Beck <wj...@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <34b66afa...@news.mindspring.com>
Date: 1998/01/09
l...@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (Laurence Doering) wrote:
snip
>I clearly remember Congress was going to add the bombing of Cambodia to
>the articles of impeachment in 1974.
Of the five proposed articles of impeachment, only three made it out of
the House Judiciary Committee on July 29, 1974. The article on the secret
bombing was defeated by a 12-26 vote after bitter debate.
Nonetheless, that's about as close as "accountab[ility]" ever got, and it
was pretty "public".
BTW: the bombing began on March 17, 1969. The initial plan was known to
the White House as "Operation Breakfast" and, as secret conspiracies go,
this one is fairly eminently qualified. The plan was hatched during a
secret meeting on board Air Force One while parked on the runway at
Brussels involving Kissinger, Haig, Haldeman, and Pentagon liaison
officers. It was kept secret precisely because the conspirators (yes)
knew that they were violating the law in not including congress in the
decision. This is precisely why the whole deal came within a relative
hair's breadth of being a matter for impeachment.
The "Windancer" dolt cites the New York Times stories (which came from
leaks) as implicit evidence that such coverups cannot happen. (He also
cites Sihanouk in a way that suggests that the coverup was not a coverup.
The problem with that is that Sihanouk was happily complicit in the matter
of deceiving congress, as well as the outrageous waterhead Oliver's
"commonweal".)
The *fact* is that the bombing was conducted secretly for nearly three
months and, for every one of the intervening days, the administration and
its military arm were directly aimed at covering the truth.
It happened. It's a well-known fact of history, and it's just one example
which directly refutes these assholes' contention that it *can't* happen.
More: nobody here has ever heard *me* argue that such types are the
smartest people in the world. There is, however, an essential difference
between cleverness and *audacity*. Larry Potts certainly thought he was
smart enough to get away with destroying the FBI memo which detailed ROI
for the Ruby Ridge gang, but it turns out that he was only audacious.
How prudent do you people think it is to rely on the difference?
Call me "paranoid" (if you have a spare two cents), but it makes a lot of
good sense, to me, to not trust them. If I'm going to err, I'll err on
the side of skepticism every time, and against even the slimmest
*possibility* that the government is lying. There are simply too many
irrefutable instances when they did just that.
And, while I'm here and on the general subject:
I take issue with McP's recent reply to Alan Yu's post on the matter of
rogue agents "representing the government". This is a distinction without
a difference. These people take full advantage of the authority of
government, making full use of every opportunity for manipulating
investigative and other responsibilities to the end of hiding themselves
and their acts within an *exclusively* identifiable political structure.
To bring this concept to the level of a perceptual concrete, consider the
problem of corrupt cops. For instance: the New York State Police have,
for years now, been riddled with instances of manufactured evidence in all
kinds of cases (including homicides) for the purpose of framing innocent
individuals. It is implicitly argued that the individual officers
responsible do not "represent" the New York State Police. The flaw in
that thinking is that there is no way to tell the difference between them
and honest officers, because they all wear the same uniform. The *first*,
essential, thing which distinguishes them from the rest of us is that they
are police officers. It is *foolish* to trust them implicitly. That is
the very thing on which rogues rely for cover. Regardless of the
integrity or perfidy of individuals, the *institution* itself should
*properly* labor under a burden of extreme suspicion by the rest of us.
In light of the *authority* they wield (especially given the nature of
laws, these days), this is not an undue responsibility.
And, if they don't like it, then they should all go into gardening for a
living. Too fuckin' bad.
This ain't no disco, and the police department should not exist as an
employment program.
Billy
Anthology http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free/essays.html
Mike z.Schneider
<cshieldsC...@graymills.com> wrote:
> Steve Sheldon wrote:
>
> > I'm personally surprised Mike Schneider hasn't jumped on us for doubting
> > his buddies beliefs.
>
> Oh, hell. Even Ian Goddard ("The evil gubbmint done gone shot down TWA
800") > put up a site lambasting the chemtrail loons. If it's too fringe
for Goddard,
> it's waaaay out there.
Goddard's: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/twa-core.htm
CJS
"Mike z.Schneider" wrote:
> In article <37F0E58A...@graymills.com>, CJS
> <cshieldsC...@graymills.com> wrote:
>
> > Steve Sheldon wrote:
> >
> > > I'm personally surprised Mike Schneider hasn't jumped on us for doubting
> > > his buddies beliefs.
> >
> > Oh, hell. Even Ian Goddard ("The evil gubbmint done gone shot down TWA
> 800") > put up a site lambasting the chemtrail loons. If it's too fringe
> for Goddard,
> > it's waaaay out there.
>
> Goddard's: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/twa-core.htm
Which has nothing to do with his "chemtrail" rebuttal. Perhaps "Hooked on
Phonics" can help you, Mikey.
Oh, and we're still waiting for your proof that the stagnation pressure of a
moving 747 can blow the frame apart. Of course, you're far too busy changing
your name to avoid kill files.
CJS
"Mike z.Schneider" wrote:
> Message-ID: <37F0E643...@graymills.com>
> From: CJS <cshieldsC...@graymills.com>
> Newsgroups: mn.general,alt.conspiracy
> Subject: Re: ChemTrails over Twin Cities??
> In article <37F0E643...@graymills.com>, CJS
> <cshieldsC...@graymills.com> wrote:
>
> > Sergio Spamozza wrote:
> >snip<
>
> mn.general crossposted to alt.conspiracy over the entire thread?
>
> My, my.... What happened to the Colt.38 forge-cancelbot?
Nice try, asshole. Play with the followups elsewhere.
Steve Sheldon
>A PhD doesn't mean shit if it's not a PhD in the right field. And even
>then it doesn't mean he is right. I have worked with PhDs in CompSci
>who couldn't have written a real world program if their life depended on
>it.
Actually we had a doctor in the math dept at Iowa State who made it into
the National Enquirer for his theory that we should blow a chunk off the
moon and have it land in the pacific ocean.
He was convinced that by doing this we would solve the world's problems.
Richard Kaszeta
> > > Oh, hell. Even Ian Goddard ("The evil gubbmint done gone shot down TWA
> > 800") > put up a site lambasting the chemtrail loons. If it's too fringe
> > for Goddard,
> > > it's waaaay out there.
> >
> > Goddard's: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/twa-core.htm
>
> Which has nothing to do with his "chemtrail" rebuttal. Perhaps "Hooked on
> Phonics" can help you, Mikey.
Well, he probably should've posted the actual Contrail article:
CJS
Richard Kaszeta wrote:
As little respect as I have for Goddard due to his pathetic TWA theories, his
contrail article is well done.
Cheers...Craig
CJS
S Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:15:12 -0500, CJS <cshieldsC...@graymills.com> wrote:
>
> >"Mike z.Schneider" wrote:
> >
> >> In article <37F0E58A...@graymills.com>, CJS
> >> <cshieldsC...@graymills.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Steve Sheldon wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I'm personally surprised Mike Schneider hasn't jumped on us for doubting
> >> > > his buddies beliefs.
> >> >
> >> > Oh, hell. Even Ian Goddard ("The evil gubbmint done gone shot down TWA
> >> 800") > put up a site lambasting the chemtrail loons. If it's too fringe
> >> for Goddard,
> >> > it's waaaay out there.
> >>
> >> Goddard's: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/twa-core.htm
> >
> >Which has nothing to do with his "chemtrail" rebuttal. Perhaps "Hooked on
> >Phonics" can help you, Mikey.
> >
> >Oh, and we're still waiting for your proof that the stagnation pressure of a
> >moving 747 can blow the frame apart. Of course, you're far too busy changing
> >your name to avoid kill files.
>
> You should know by now that the pathetic little miscreant, Schneider, has
> nothing better to do with his time other than finding new and uninteresting
> ways to be an annoying twit. He rarely has any *facts* to back up
> his many claims, and he usually just resorts to plagiarizing other peoples
> news stories from elsewhere on the Net as a way to get attention (and
> solicit negative reactions).
>
> File it under: 'Sad, but true'.
He also has to spend time calling everyone else a "government shill". I can't tell
you how many times I've been called a CIA/FBI/NSA/Whatever agent by Kamp Konspiracy.
It was just funny watching Mikey make a stupid claim he couldn't prove and backpedal
harder than Wil E Coyote on a cliff.
CJS
Steve Sheldon wrote:
> Bill Seurer <BillS...@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
> >A PhD doesn't mean shit if it's not a PhD in the right field. And even
> >then it doesn't mean he is right. I have worked with PhDs in CompSci
> >who couldn't have written a real world program if their life depended on
> >it.
>
> Actually we had a doctor in the math dept at Iowa State who made it into
> the National Enquirer for his theory that we should blow a chunk off the
> moon and have it land in the pacific ocean.
>
> He was convinced that by doing this we would solve the world's problems.
Was this the guy who claimed that the moon's orbit caused the seasons and
blowing up the moon would thus create bountiful harvests for everyone?
Camille Klein
# Actually we had a doctor in the math dept at Iowa State who made it into
#the National Enquirer for his theory that we should blow a chunk off the
#moon and have it land in the pacific ocean.
# He was convinced that by doing this we would solve the world's problems.
Hey, mass extinction works for me. :)
Steve Sheldon
> Why would a 'covert' operation take place in broad daylight,
> when night would suffice? Baloney.
Because the best way to hide something, is to do it right in broad daylight
in front of everybody.
Mike z.Schneider
<cshieldsC...@graymills.com> wrote:
> > Goddard's: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/twa-core.htm
>
> Which has nothing to do with his "chemtrail" rebuttal.
Did I say it did, Shields?
[snip playground insults]
>Oh, and we're still waiting for your proof that the stagnation pressure of a
>moving 747 can blow the frame apart.
I'm sure you'd subject it to the same standards of rigorous analysis
with which you greeted the CIA's cartoon video for the NTSB.
Mike z.Schneider
<kas...@me.umn.edu> wrote:
> CJS <cshieldsC...@graymills.com> writes:
>
> > > > Oh, hell. Even Ian Goddard ("The evil gubbmint done gone shot down TWA
> > > 800") > put up a site lambasting the chemtrail loons. If it's too fringe
> > > for Goddard,
> > > > it's waaaay out there.
> > >
> > > Goddard's: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/twa-core.htm
> >
> > Which has nothing to do with his "chemtrail" rebuttal. Perhaps "Hooked on
> > Phonics" can help you, Mikey.
>
> Well, he probably should've posted the actual Contrail article:
By all means read Goddard's analysis (in both URLs) and discover what
it means to be an objective critic, and contrast that with the sort of
game Craig plays in these newsgroups.
> http://users.erols.com/igoddard/contrail.htm
Lingering/expanding contrails are a common meteorological phenomena.
Essentially, copious microscopic soot particles in jet exhaust act as
condensation nuclei. If the contrail occurs in a moist layer of atmosphere
poor in such nuclei (common in winter), the contrail will expand and
billow.
Silver-iodide "cloud-seeding" works on this principle by burning a
substance whose smoke particles have been determined to be the most
hydrophilic.
Plutarch
> In article <ruq72c...@corp.supernews.com>, Phil Lee <pl...@orbis.net> wrote:
> >Hi, did anyone else noticed the jets spraying the Twin Cities yesterday,
> >Friday 9/24/99, at about noon. I saw two, perhaps three jets, laying a
> >parallel and criss-cross pattern of white "contrails," or perhaps
>
> Yes, I did. I observed the aircraft with a high power telescope. The
> telescope used was a Celestron CM 1400 14" Schmidt Cassegrain with a
> computer controlled axis corrector.
>
> Unfortunately I only observed one aircraft. Normally I use a Sun
> Solaris computer system for the tracking controller, but today I had to
> use a Microsoft Windows NT based system, and it kept crashing. What
> a joke for an OS !
>
> The aircraft were Airbus A340's, except they had a strange modification
> to the fuselage. I observed a 'hump', probably extending upward of 10
> feet from directly behind the cockpit to midway between the tail and
> the wing of the aircraft. These were freighter versions of the
> aircraft, there were no apparent windows.
>
> I observed another modification, a black and chromium tube extending
> from the tail of the aircraft, and there was a chemtrail ejecting from
> this tube. There was a very small yellow line running about midway
> along this tube. The tube was about 10 feet long, and approximately 3
> feet in diameter.
>
> The aircraft also had very strange markings. The tail on the aircraft
> had the markings 'UN 560223'. These were not USAF 'REACH' aircraft,
> because I don't know of any airbase that uses a 'UN' designator, and
> the USAF does not fly A340's ! I also saw a logo underneath the pilot
> window. It was a bear with a sword underneath it. Next to this was a
> logo of a globe with the letters "UCNX" underneath. The planes were
> painted a flat gray. Underneath the starboard wing the letters 'UN' was
> painted in a gray which was slightly darker thant the rest of the
> wing.
>
> I estimate they were flying at an altitude of 38000 feet, and along an
> axis parallel to 45.18 N latitude (right over Coon Rapids). The winds
> were from the north that day, so any chemicals would have floated right
> over the Twin Cities quite nicely I imagine.
>
> May God be with us, this all seems to be very sinister.
Hey! I KNOW what that tube was. The Air Force used to have a smaller version of
them on a variety of small cargo planes, too. The crew and passengers use the tube
with a funnel-like fitting for certain . . . umm . . . personal needs. I had the
opportunity to use one when I was being flown out to an aircraft carrier in the
Gulf.
The mystery is solved! It is clear to me that the entire crew had all been out on a
bender the night before and having consumed megagallons of local brew, were giving
the funnel/tube arrangement more than normal usage, thus creating the trails in
question. Just don't stand underneath when they fly by!
mcc...@my-deja.com
When do people leave their houses and have barbecues, take their kids to
the park to play football, do the gardening? Whenever there was a clear
day a wheelchair bound old man in my neighbourhood would sit outside his
house and say "hello" to all who passed by. He was never there when it
was overcast/raining, or at night.
How often do you go for walks, sit in your garden, take your kids to the
park when it is overcast/raining, or at night?
Most people like to be out of their houses and in the 'fresh' air when
the sky is clear, winter or summer.
It would be an ideal time for maximum effect if spraying is taking place
to spray when the population is out in the open air. This occurs on
clear days during daylight hours.
Chris
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Andy Yee
<LI8I3.1869$L85.1...@ptah.visi.com>:
>
> Actually we had a doctor in the math dept at Iowa State who made it into
>
Heh...I was also told putting a gun to your head and shooting would also
solve your problems... :)
--
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President Home Page: http://www.visi.com/~nde
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Godwin's Law: As a USENET thread grows, the probability of a reference
to Hitler or Nazis approaches 1.00.
Corollary: When such a reference is made, it is generally
recognized that the poster has LOST the argument.
Craig Wilson
typed:
>So I am part of the big conspiracy? Wow! Cool! Where do I get my
>secret decoder ring?
Don't you want the stylish black jumpsuit and beret, instead? You have to
pay for your own jackboots, though.
--------
/craig
Craig Wilson
> Actually we had a doctor in the math dept at Iowa State who made it into
>the National Enquirer for his theory that we should blow a chunk off the
>moon and have it land in the pacific ocean.
>
> He was convinced that by doing this we would solve the world's problems.
He is probably right. Drop a big enough chunk of the moon, or any old
passing asteroid into the middle of the Pacific and I can guarantee you that
all of your problems will be resolved.
--------
/craig
Craig Wilson
typed:
>> and not according to the local police.
>
>Oh, so Chief Wiggam is now your expert witness?
I can just see the cops leaning back on their stools at the doughnut shop
counter to peer out the front window at contrails in the sky:
Cop 1: "Yup, sure looks like the guv'mint is spraying chemicals, again."
Cop 2: "Mmmmphh, ummm, mmm."
--------
/craig
CJS
"Mike z.Schneider" wrote:
> In article <y6xso3y...@bofh.me.umn.edu>, Richard Kaszeta
> <kas...@me.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> > CJS <cshieldsC...@graymills.com> writes:
> >
> > > > > Oh, hell. Even Ian Goddard ("The evil gubbmint done gone shot down TWA
> > > > 800") > put up a site lambasting the chemtrail loons. If it's too fringe
> > > > for Goddard,
> > > > > it's waaaay out there.
> > > >
> > > > Goddard's: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/twa-core.htm
> > >
> > > Which has nothing to do with his "chemtrail" rebuttal. Perhaps "Hooked on
> > > Phonics" can help you, Mikey.
> >
> > Well, he probably should've posted the actual Contrail article:
>
> By all means read Goddard's analysis (in both URLs) and discover what
> it means to be an objective critic, and contrast that with the sort of
> game Craig plays in these newsgroups.
So when are you going to prove that a small pressurization will explode an
airframe, Mikey? You made the claim.
cy...@visi.com
from the author, I'm of a feeling that we've been well trolled and
many have bitten.
I kept coming back to the post because I knew there was at least one
thing really strange about it, aside from the paranoia. Using a
computer controlled telescope to follow planes? Huh? Even pushing a
monster like that around by hand you've got the problem of "Now I see
it, now I aim at it, oops, it's gone." I'm fairly sure there were
some other things in there, other than the attempt to start an OS war.
I'll look again later.
spam...@mpls.k12.mn.us (Sergio Spamozza) wrote:
----
I generally don't answer my email for months. Do not despair. Patience helps.
I'm going to live forever or die trying.
Steve Sheldon
>How often do you go for walks, sit in your garden, take your kids to the
>park when it is overcast/raining, or at night?
>Most people like to be out of their houses and in the 'fresh' air when
>the sky is clear, winter or summer.
>It would be an ideal time for maximum effect if spraying is taking place
>to spray when the population is out in the open air. This occurs on
>clear days during daylight hours.
Only problem is... people like to go outside when it's warm out...
primarily in the summer.
The contrails primarily occur in the winter when the air is cooler.
CJS
Steve Sheldon wrote:
> mcc...@my-deja.com writes:
> >How often do you go for walks, sit in your garden, take your kids to the
> >park when it is overcast/raining, or at night?
>
> >Most people like to be out of their houses and in the 'fresh' air when
> >the sky is clear, winter or summer.
>
> >It would be an ideal time for maximum effect if spraying is taking place
> >to spray when the population is out in the open air. This occurs on
> >clear days during daylight hours.
>
> Only problem is... people like to go outside when it's warm out...
> primarily in the summer.
>
> The contrails primarily occur in the winter when the air is cooler.
In fairness, they appear year-round since the upper atmosphere is less
affected by seasonal changes. However, this still doesn't explain spraying
on the East Coast, where air currents will push anything dropped out to
sea...
Cheers...Craig
Andrew Carol
<cshieldsC...@graymills.com> wrote:
> In fairness, they appear year-round since the upper atmosphere is less
> affected by seasonal changes. However, this still doesn't explain spraying
> on the East Coast, where air currents will push anything dropped out to
> sea...
There you skeptics go again....
Did you ever consider they were spraying the fishing fleets? Attack
our food and you attack our nation! They are obviously going for the
food supply. I had always heard commerial fishing was a dangerous
business, now we know why...
<BIG GRIN>
--- Andrew
Terence P Higgins
> The contrails primarily occur in the winter when the air is cooler.
I don't know where you live, but, be they weird or not, we get
lots of contrails in the SUMMMER. This SUMMER to be specific.
--
i want to make a toast to the bedlam boys
twisted up and vacant as me
CJS
Bill Seurer wrote:
> X-no-archive: yes
>
> CJS wrote:
> > ... However, this still doesn't explain spraying
> > on the East Coast, where air currents will push anything dropped out to
> > sea...
>
> Craig, craig, craig. You just don't understand. This stuff is sprayed
> at very high altitudes where it lingers while also falling on people
> directly below obviously unaffected by winds at any altitudes. If you
> believe otherwise you are obviously a dupe of the New World Order. ;-)
Shhhhhhh!
I'm an agent of the Amish Occupation Government!
CJS
Andrew Carol wrote:
> In article <37F285F7...@graymills.com>, CJS
> <cshieldsC...@graymills.com> wrote:
>
> > In fairness, they appear year-round since the upper atmosphere is less
> > affected by seasonal changes. However, this still doesn't explain spraying
> > on the East Coast, where air currents will push anything dropped out to
> > sea...
>
> There you skeptics go again....
>
> Did you ever consider they were spraying the fishing fleets? Attack
> our food and you attack our nation! They are obviously going for the
> food supply. I had always heard commerial fishing was a dangerous
> business, now we know why...
Hmmmph!
After reading "The Perfect Storm", I'm convinced that the NSA/NWO are using HAARP
weather modification to attack American fishing fleets in an effort to promote
Newfoundland as the capital of the new world.
Beat that!
CJS
Terence P Higgins wrote:
> From article <1uvI3.2462$L85.1...@ptah.visi.com>, by she...@visi.com (Steve Sheldon):
> > The contrails primarily occur in the winter when the air is cooler.
>
> I don't know where you live, but, be they weird or not, we get
> lots of contrails in the SUMMMER. This SUMMER to be specific.
You'll find them year-round. If you're interested in learning more about contrails, I'd
suggest studying NASA's "SUCCESS" program. Otherwise, atmospheric science departments at
most universities have web pages on the subject.
Terence P Higgins
> You'll find them year-round. If you're interested in learning more about contrails, I'd
suggest studying NASA's "SUCCESS" program. Otherwise, atmospheric science departments at
most universities have web pages on the subject.
Hey, I'm no moron. If I want to know more about such things, I
know where to look. I was just pointing out that the original poster
claimed that contrails could only be seen in winter. Got that mr.
too-stinking-long-sig-in-love-with-the-sound-of-his-own-voice?
Stephanos Spamkopolis
Dave Heaton <dhe...@nospam.yuck.net> wrote:
>
> After reading a whole bunch of responses to this and one return post
> from the author, I'm of a feeling that we've been well trolled and
> many have bitten.
>
> I kept coming back to the post because I knew there was at least one
> thing really strange about it, aside from the paranoia. Using a
> computer controlled telescope to follow planes? Huh? Even pushing a
> monster like that around by hand you've got the problem of "Now I see
> it, now I aim at it, oops, it's gone." I'm fairly sure there were
> some other things in there, other than the attempt to start an OS war.
> I'll look again later.
>
I am working in cubie with Mr. Spamozza in school system. He was flying
since Friday to Tonga Tonga making to work on "Y2K MILLENIUM BUG". He
was telling to me he is wanting to come home to airport on Tuesday. He
is working in firm to consult as his own and making much much money in
"Y2K MILLENIUM BUG". I am joking to him he is making much fat on belly
from all the "MIS" peoples !!!
NO NO NO NO - HE IS NOT making to war ! He is loving all peoples and
making much much happy !
NO NO NO - HE IS NOT MAKING TROLLING !!!!!! I am many times eating his
house with our nice wives and many little peoples in the night time !
He is making me to see BIG telescope in eyeball looking many hours in
the sky at aeroplane high high high in the sky !! He was also making
computer to see bird in tree. In Friday September 3, I was looking at
airplane "Northwest 56 HEAVY" and "JAL 545 HEAVY" and making it to be
seen on unix computer with ACARS data !! He is also making hearing
noises on ICOM R7000 with aeroplane radio peoples. They are flying low
to descend from NARCO, WASHY, SISSY, and ALGIN many many times ! He
is listening to many radios and looking in telescope ! He is not liking
to make thinking about toxic smoke coming from army in Airbus aeroplane
either !
I am seeing him typing manual on aeroplane looking from telescope and
listening to ACARS data to sell in big store to be selling books to
peoples at "MEGAMALL OF AMERICA". He must be making fatter belly more
than "Y2K MILLENIUM BUG" !
He is also liking to look at stars in sky at night time and looking in
planets. I am many many times looking with him at stars and in planets
. He is also making me to look at "MINNESOTA VIKINGS" on big big big
TV. We are drinking much beer and chips made out of potatoe in ground,
and are much happy !
--
Stephanos 'NT MAN' Spamkopolis
spa...@mpls.k12.mn.us
Microsoft Windows NT 3.51 **EXPERT**. Computer Science Degree.
CJS
> From article <37F37EDE...@graymills.com>, by CJS <cshieldsC...@graymills.com>:
> > You'll find them year-round. If you're interested in learning more about contrails, I'd
> suggest studying NASA's "SUCCESS" program. Otherwise, atmospheric science departments at
> most universities have web pages on the subject.
>
> Hey, I'm no moron. If I want to know more about such things, I
> know where to look.
Sorry. Didn't mean to imply that you were. I was just giving you followup information.
> I was just pointing out that the original poster
> claimed that contrails could only be seen in winter. Got that mr.
> too-stinking-long-sig-in-love-with-the-sound-of-his-own-voice?
Um, fuck you, too. If you had read another post of mine, you would have seen that I had
mentioned this point also. I was trying to be nice and save you the hassle of searching for
good links. To most normal people, this is not a call for rudeness. I withdraw my
clarification; you, sir, *are* a moron. Of course, the fact that you are posting from UW-M
should have warned me of that.
Camille Klein
[snip]
Somebody needs to get back on his meds.
Steve Sheldon
>From article <37F37EDE...@graymills.com>, by CJS <cshieldsC...@graymills.com>:
>> You'll find them year-round. If you're interested in learning more about contrails, I'd
> suggest studying NASA's "SUCCESS" program. Otherwise, atmospheric science departments at
> most universities have web pages on the subject.
> Hey, I'm no moron. If I want to know more about such things, I
>know where to look. I was just pointing out that the original poster
>claimed that contrails could only be seen in winter. Got that mr.
>too-stinking-long-sig-in-love-with-the-sound-of-his-own-voice?
I don't believe that I claimed that they could only be seen in the winter.
However they occur much more frequently.
Ohwell, I'm looking out the window right now and not seeing any. Perhaps
that's because Minneapolis is safe from chemical bombardments.
cy...@visi.com
We are, from bottoms to hearts, thanking you so mulch for making us to
smile upon ourselves.
spa...@mpls.k12.mn.us (Stephanos Spamkopolis) wrote:
>
>I am working in cubie with Mr. Spamozza in school system. He was flying
>since Friday to Tonga Tonga making to work on "Y2K MILLENIUM BUG". He
>was telling to me he is wanting to come home to airport on Tuesday. He
>is working in firm to consult as his own and making much much money in
>"Y2K MILLENIUM BUG". I am joking to him he is making much fat on belly
>from all the "MIS" peoples !!!
----
Scot E. Wilcoxon
> from the tail of the aircraft, and there was a chemtrail ejecting from
> this tube. There was a very small yellow line running about midway
> along this tube. The tube was about 10 feet long, and approximately 3
> feet in diameter.
And how did this tube look different from a tail-mounted generator?
They're particularly popular on international aircraft as ground power
is then no longer mandatory.
http://aerospace.alliedsignal.com/aerospace/products/aircraft_products/products/apus/index.html
http://home.elka.pw.edu.pl/~aokazaki/ap/lot762.jpeg
Phil Lee
way too much idle time on their hands.
In an informal straw poll of my co-workers and friends, who have known
asthma and other upper respiratory sensitivities, about 70% were affected by
the black ops spraying. Most experienced unusual amount of sneazing and
tiredness. One missed a social engagement on the Friday evening of the
spraying. Another took sick days for Tues and Wed after. None required
hospitalization. Two others had no ill effects regarding their health
impacts of the Friday's chemtrail spraying. It is reported that enduring
repeated sprayings build up one's immunity to subsequent ones.
It was reported that North Memorial Hospital, Robbinsdale (NorthWest suburb)
did not have an unusual number of respiratory admissions over the weekend.
I did get two private emails (who will remain nameless for privacy reasons)
who confirmed my observations regarding that these contrails where, in fact,
the controversial ChemTrails. Apparently, additional more covert spraying
occurred early this week, with an aircraft spraying intermittantly behind
cloud cover over Blaine. The other added that on Tues, Sept 28, that a
friend of his had to rush his infant daughter to Unity Hospital in Fridley
(North suburbs) due to a severe respiratory infection. He continued saying
that the Pediatrics Dept was full of children with the same symptoms.
Phil, Minneapolis, Silicon Tundra, pl...@orbis.net
======
cy...@visi.com wrote in message <37f25de8....@news.visi.com>...
>After reading a whole bunch of responses to this and one return post
>from the author, I'm of a feeling that we've been well trolled and
>many have bitten.
>
>I kept coming back to the post because I knew there was at least one
>thing really strange about it, aside from the paranoia. Using a
>computer controlled telescope to follow planes? Huh? Even pushing a
>monster like that around by hand you've got the problem of "Now I see
>it, now I aim at it, oops, it's gone." I'm fairly sure there were
>some other things in there, other than the attempt to start an OS war.
>I'll look again later.
>
>
>spam...@mpls.k12.mn.us (Sergio Spamozza) wrote:
>
>>In article <ruq72c...@corp.supernews.com>, Phil Lee <pl...@orbis.net>
wrote:
>>>Hi, did anyone else noticed the jets spraying the Twin Cities yesterday,
>>>Friday 9/24/99, at about noon. I saw two, perhaps three jets, laying a
>>>parallel and criss-cross pattern of white "contrails," or perhaps
>>
>>Yes, I did. I observed the aircraft with a high power telescope. The
>>telescope used was a Celestron CM 1400 14" Schmidt Cassegrain with a
>>computer controlled axis corrector.
>>
>>Unfortunately I only observed one aircraft. Normally I use a Sun
>>Solaris computer system for the tracking controller, but today I had to
>>use a Microsoft Windows NT based system, and it kept crashing. What
>>a joke for an OS !
>>
>>The aircraft were Airbus A340's, except they had a strange modification
>>to the fuselage. I observed a 'hump', probably extending upward of 10
>>feet from directly behind the cockpit to midway between the tail and
>>the wing of the aircraft. These were freighter versions of the
>>aircraft, there were no apparent windows.
>>
>>I observed another modification, a black and chromium tube extending
>>from the tail of the aircraft, and there was a chemtrail ejecting from
>>this tube. There was a very small yellow line running about midway
>>along this tube. The tube was about 10 feet long, and approximately 3
>>feet in diameter.
>>
>>The aircraft also had very strange markings. The tail on the aircraft
>>had the markings 'UN 560223'. These were not USAF 'REACH' aircraft,
>>because I don't know of any airbase that uses a 'UN' designator, and
>>the USAF does not fly A340's ! I also saw a logo underneath the pilot
>>window. It was a bear with a sword underneath it. Next to this was a
>>logo of a globe with the letters "UCNX" underneath. The planes were
>>painted a flat gray. Underneath the starboard wing the letters 'UN' was
>>painted in a gray which was slightly darker thant the rest of the
>>wing.
>>
>>I estimate they were flying at an altitude of 38000 feet, and along an
>>axis parallel to 45.18 N latitude (right over Coon Rapids). The winds
>>were from the north that day, so any chemicals would have floated right
>>over the Twin Cities quite nicely I imagine.
>>
>>May God be with us, this all seems to be very sinister.
>
Chuck Kuhlman
cone.
cy...@visi.com
changing weather weekend? It's autumn, school has started and the
little kiddies bring home lots of germs from school and daycare. The
heat in homes is on and off, the heat in work places unconstant. As
well as the humidity. It's one of the traditional times for 'colds'
and URIs of all kinds.
Also, did you feel* the weather? It was heavy and moist and unmoving.
This always adds distress to those ready to cough, have bronchial
spasms, or any other kind of respiration problem.
None of these things require the least help from aerosol sprays of any
kind.
Observation. Occam. Both are pretty reliable.
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:47:12 -0500, "Phil Lee" <pl...@orbis.net> wrote:
>Hi Cy, interesting set of cohorts who frequents this NG, some of whom have
>way too much idle time on their hands.
>
>In an informal straw poll of my co-workers and friends, who have known
>asthma and other upper respiratory sensitivities, about 70% were affected by
>the black ops spraying. Most experienced unusual amount of sneazing and
>tiredness. One missed a social engagement on the Friday evening of the
>spraying. Another took sick days for Tues and Wed after. None required
>hospitalization. Two others had no ill effects regarding their health
>impacts of the Friday's chemtrail spraying. It is reported that enduring
>repeated sprayings build up one's immunity to subsequent ones.
>
>It was reported that North Memorial Hospital, Robbinsdale (NorthWest suburb)
>did not have an unusual number of respiratory admissions over the weekend.
>
>I did get two private emails (who will remain nameless for privacy reasons)
>who confirmed my observations regarding that these contrails where, in fact,
>the controversial ChemTrails. Apparently, additional more covert spraying
>occurred early this week, with an aircraft spraying intermittantly behind
>cloud cover over Blaine. The other added that on Tues, Sept 28, that a
>friend of his had to rush his infant daughter to Unity Hospital in Fridley
>(North suburbs) due to a severe respiratory infection. He continued saying
>that the Pediatrics Dept was full of children with the same symptoms.
>
>Phil, Minneapolis, Silicon Tundra, pl...@orbis.net
>>
>
-----
rec.backcountry vixen
I only answer my email every few months, on average.
Patience helps.
Richard Wagenknecht
and age.
"Chuck Kuhlman" <ckuh...@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:37EDBABB...@uswest.net...
> wassa matter?
>
> Lithium prescription run out?
>
> In the future, when you *do* run out of Lithium, you can cover your head
> with aluminum foil. That will tide you over until you can get a new set
> of meds.
>
> As a bonus, if you go out in public wearing a temporary aluminum skull
> cap, it will signal to everyone that you are low on meds and that
> conscientious citizens should do all they can to help you get back on
> track.
Mike z.Schneider
Hey Horwath: Who laid down the law and made you shut off Colt .38?
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> In mn.general Mike z.Schneider <wh...@youknow.net> wrote:
> : In article <3TXH3.1605$L85....@ptah.visi.com>, she...@visi.com (Steve
> : Sheldon) wrote:
>
> :> You forget Erik...
> :>
> :> The MIB are smart enough to arrange these grand conspiracies involving
> :> thousands of people...
>
>
> : ...in such seemingly up-front business as *war*, no less:
>
> Why do you have to keep posting other peoples articles?
>
> Can't you write your own?
>
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"We had agents that went inside that building during the fire."
-- former FBI agent Danny Coulson, interviewed 8/24/99.
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Peter S. Saly
Steve Sheldon <she...@visi.com> wrote in article
<tTqH3.637$L85....@ptah.visi.com>...
> Richard Mitchell <ric...@netmost.com> writes:
>
> >I have been video-taping the same thing here in Columbus, Ohio for the
past
> >month. I have some good video of the planes and they look military.This
has
> >been going on off and on for a least two years. I have pointed this out
to
> >people as I have been filming it, and they still think they are just
normal
> >vapor trails. There have been outbreaks of
> >"upper respiratory" ailments. I was very sick myself.
>
>
> Be very careful. If you are in contact with this stuff for too long you
> may start to lose your hair!
>
Is that before or after you lose your intelligence ?
Jim Manson
>On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 04:37:51 -0500, wh...@youknow.net (Mike z.Schneider) wrote:
>
>> Hey Horwath: Who laid down the law and made you shut off Colt .38?
>
>Have you learned *nothing* through these last few months of
>postings about that issue?
Ah come on. If he learned anything he wouldn't be Mikey anymore.
John T Kennedy
Horwath) wrote:
>In mn.general Mike z.Schneider <wh...@youknow.net> wrote:
>: In article <3TXH3.1605$L85....@ptah.visi.com>, she...@visi.com (Steve
>: Sheldon) wrote:
>
>:> You forget Erik...
>:>
>:> The MIB are smart enough to arrange these grand conspiracies involving
>:> thousands of people...
>
>
>: ...in such seemingly up-front business as *war*, no less:
>
>Why do you have to keep posting other peoples articles?
>
>Can't you write your own?
You whine when he does that too. There's no pleasing some people.
-
John Kennedy
The Wild Shall Wild Remain!
http://members.xoom.com/rational1/wild/
Mike z.Schneider
(Mike Horwath) wrote:
> In mn.general Mike z.Schneider <wh...@youknow.net> wrote:
> : Hey Horwath: Who laid down the law and made you shut off Colt .38?
>
> A: I don't run colt38, ya fookin' idiot.
If it operates off Vector equipment (and it does), and you're still the
usenet administrator over there, *you* run it, ya lying sack a shit.
Mike Schneider, VRWC Sentinel Outpost. "Autoguns, on-line!" +--+--+--+
Reply to mike1@@@winternet.com sans two @@, or your reply won't reach me.
Where did NATO General Wesley Clark, the "Butcher of Bosnia", practice the deliberate, premeditated extermination of civilians before the main-event?
See: http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=520954067&fmt=text
Mike z.Schneider
(Mike Horwath) wrote:
> In mn.general John T Kennedy <kenne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : You whine when he does that too. There's no pleasing some people.
>
> How would you know?
>
> Oh, yah, you wouldn't.
>
> Mr. Schneider did his own posting on the review of a few movies, and
> people jumped at it and participated without the normal flaming that
> comes from a Mr. Schneider posting.
Translation: If only we could all live up to the higher standards of
our glorious leader Napolean, Animal Farm would be a much nicer place.
Mike z.Schneider
Mike z.Schneider
<sc...@wwwebworld.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:05:27 -0500, wh...@youknow.net (Mike z.Schneider)
wrote:
>
> >In article <IDpJ3.3442$L85.2...@ptah.visi.com>, drechsa...@yuck.net
> >(Mike Horwath) wrote:
> >
> >> In mn.general Mike z.Schneider <wh...@youknow.net> wrote:
> >> : Hey Horwath: Who laid down the law and made you shut off Colt .38?
> >>
> >> A: I don't run colt38, ya fookin' idiot.
> >
> > If it operates off Vector equipment (and it does), and you're still the
> >usenet administrator over there, *you* run it, ya lying sack a shit.
>
> Q: If a paying customer of an ISP runs a script on their server space...
> is it really *owned* by that ISP's administrator?
>
> A: No.
Q: Did I infer that Horwath "owned" Colt. 38?
A: No, you clod.
Camille Klein
#<sc...@wwwebworld.com> wrote:
#> On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:05:27 -0500, wh...@youknow.net (Mike z.Schneider)
#wrote:
#>
#> >In article <IDpJ3.3442$L85.2...@ptah.visi.com>, drechsa...@yuck.net
#> >(Mike Horwath) wrote:
#> >
#> >> In mn.general Mike z.Schneider <wh...@youknow.net> wrote:
#> >> : Hey Horwath: Who laid down the law and made you shut off Colt .38?
#> >>
#> >> A: I don't run colt38, ya fookin' idiot.
#> >
#> > If it operates off Vector equipment (and it does), and you're still the
#> >usenet administrator over there, *you* run it, ya lying sack a shit.
#>
#> Q: If a paying customer of an ISP runs a script on their server space...
#> is it really *owned* by that ISP's administrator?
#>
#> A: No.
# Q: Did I infer that Horwath "owned" Colt. 38?
# A: No, you clod.
Liar.
cy...@visi.com
On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 02:03:40 -0500, S. Smith <sc...@wwwebworld.com>
wrote:
>
>You did infer that he has direct control over it, and that he was
>"running it". If he does not own it in any way, how does he
>control it, twit?
>
>
>SS
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Mike z.Schneider
(Continuing in this excellent series of examinations of the sophistry
employed by intellectually dishonest scumbags....)
In article <DVH4N1mbEAv5OWLYe4dhv9vBO1Y=@4ax.com>, S. Smith
<sc...@wwwebworld.com> wrote:
> >> >> In mn.general Mike z.Schneider <wh...@youknow.net> wrote:
> >> >> : Hey Horwath: Who laid down the law and made you shut off Colt .38?
> >> >>
> >> >> A: I don't run colt38, ya fookin' idiot.
> >> >
> >> > If it operates off Vector equipment (and it does), and you're still the
> >> >usenet administrator over there, *you* run it, ya lying sack a shit.
> >>
> >> Q: If a paying customer of an ISP runs a script on their server space...
> >> is it really *owned* by that ISP's administrator?
> >> A: No.
> >
> > Q: Did I infer that Horwath "owned" Colt. 38?
> > A: No, you clod.
>
> You did infer that he has direct control over it, and that he was
> "running it". If he does not own it in any way, how does he
> control it, twit?
If you and Horwath want to go nigger-hunting, and you put your scoped
rifle in the back of his pickup truck (seeing as you don't have your own
car), and you both then head on down to Burford, GA, and then you go out
shootin' while he takes a leak in the bushes and pretends he has no part
in it....
....who really had "control" of the situation? Who "gave the ride"?
Mike Schneider .
Continuing our examination of the sophistry employed by the intellectually
dishonest, a scoundrel named S. Smith <sc...@wwwebworld.com> wrote:
> >> >> In mn.general Mike z.Schneider <wh...@youknow.net> wrote:
> >> >> : Hey Horwath: Who laid down the law and made you shut off Colt .38?
> >> >>
> >> >> A: I don't run colt38, ya fookin' idiot.
> >> >
> >> > If it operates off Vector equipment (and it does), and you're still the
> >> >usenet administrator over there, *you* run it, ya lying sack a shit.
> >>
> >> Q: If a paying customer of an ISP runs a script on their server space...
> >> is it really *owned* by that ISP's administrator?
> >> A: No.
> >
> > Q: Did I infer that Horwath "owned" Colt. 38?
> > A: No, you clod.
>
> You did infer that he has direct control over it, and that he was
> "running it". If he does not own it in any way, how does he
> control it, twit?
If you and Horwath want to go nigger-huntin' south-a-way, and you put
your scoped rifle in the back of his pickup truck (seeing as you don't
have your own car), and you both then head on down to Burford, GA, and
then you go out shootin' while he takes a leak in the bushes and pretends
he has no part in it....who really had "control" of the situation? Who
*gave the ride*?
Mike Schneider, VRWC Sentinel Outpost. "Autoguns, on-line!" +--+--+--+
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