Businesses closing due to lack of workers
Bert Hyman
Bill Seurer <BillS...@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
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>A grocery store in Rochester just announced it is closing because it
>can't hire enough workers. Some of the jobs they couldn't fill (ZERO
>applicants!) paid $13/hour. Anyone else see any places close?
>
Hutchinson Technology is transferring assembly operations from their
Hutchinson MN facility to its plants in SD and Wisc because it can't
hire people in Minnesota. Oddly, this will result in the loss of 500
jobs at their MN facility.
They make parts for disk drives.
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John Ferman
> In article <37C17BB4...@vnet.ibm.com>,
> Bill Seurer <BillS...@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
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> >A grocery store in Rochester just announced it is closing because it
> >can't hire enough workers. Some of the jobs they couldn't fill (ZERO
> >applicants!) paid $13/hour. Anyone else see any places close?
> >
> Hutchinson Technology is transferring assembly operations from their
> Hutchinson MN facility to its plants in SD and Wisc because it can't
> hire people in Minnesota. Oddly, this will result in the loss of 500
> jobs at their MN facility.
>
> They make parts for disk drives.
This is fascinating. If there are too few techno-assemblers in MN (with
our many techie type post secondary schools), why does Hutchinson think
there a oodles of SD techno-types. I can see where there might be some
chance in WI - they have lots of techie schools. But SD is noted for its
parsimony. Or have things changed.
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John Ferman
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Bert Hyman
John Ferman <ferm...@tc.umn.edu> wrote:
>
>This is fascinating. If there are too few techno-assemblers in MN (with
>our many techie type post secondary schools), why does Hutchinson think
>there a oodles of SD techno-types. I can see where there might be some
>chance in WI - they have lots of techie schools. But SD is noted for its
>parsimony. Or have things changed.
>
facilities in SD and WI, so I ->guess<- they know what they're doing...
Christopher Schulte
<BillS...@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>A grocery store in Rochester just announced it is closing because it
>can't hire enough workers. Some of the jobs they couldn't fill (ZERO
>applicants!) paid $13/hour. Anyone else see any places close?
Geesh. 13 dollars an hour to sit at the checkout? Things must have
changed. Or does this refer to some other position?
I remember the good old days of working as a cashier at a local
grocery store. It paid an amazing.... 6.25 or so after 2 years of
service. Of course I was only 15 or 16 at the time. Oh well.
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Melba's Jammin'
Sheldon) wrote:
>>I remember the good old days of working as a cashier at a local
>>grocery store. It paid an amazing.... 6.25 or so after 2 years of
>>service. Of course I was only 15 or 16 at the time. Oh well.
>
> Listen here sonny...
>
> When I was 15 I was working for $3.35/hour. That was minimum wage back in
>my day. And that was only 1985. You go talk to my grandfather who was
>working on the railroad for $1/day back in 1930 or so.
Are we going to tell "first job, what'd it pay" stories? I worked for
Fanny Farmer candy store my Sr year in high school (the printing press had
been invented but Man had not yet walked on the moon) for $.85/hour. My
first "real" job for Honeywell paid me $255/month.
-Barb, recently anointed r.f.c. Preserved Fruit Administrator by Those Who Do The Naming.
"Always in a jam. Never in a stew."
Scott Schrader
biggest rip in the industry. we should be exporting programmers to
India, not petitioning Congress to bring more in under bogus demand
statements from outfits that don't want to train their own staff. but
then, I digress (?)
Bill Seurer wrote:
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> A grocery store in Rochester just announced it is closing because it
> can't hire enough workers. Some of the jobs they couldn't fill (ZERO
> applicants!) paid $13/hour. Anyone else see any places close?
>
> The scary part is there is a new Super WalMart being built here that
> needs something like 500 workers and a new huge grocery store. Where
> the heck do they expect to get workers? And the vacancy rate is almost
> zero too so even if they find workers they won't have any place to live.
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> Bill Seurer Compiler Development IBM Rochester, MN
> Bill_Seurer AT us.ibm.com Bill AT seurer.net
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Steve Sheldon
>This is fascinating. If there are too few techno-assemblers in MN (with
>our many techie type post secondary schools), why does Hutchinson think
>there a oodles of SD techno-types. I can see where there might be some
>chance in WI - they have lots of techie schools. But SD is noted for its
>parsimony. Or have things changed.
I know for a fact that Gateway ran into severe problems with this when they
moved operations from Iowa to SD.
The truth behind this one is not that hte company can't find people to
hire... they can't find people who are willing to work cheap enough.
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Steve Sheldon
>On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:49:56 -0500, Bill Seurer
><BillS...@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>A grocery store in Rochester just announced it is closing because it
>>can't hire enough workers. Some of the jobs they couldn't fill (ZERO
>>applicants!) paid $13/hour. Anyone else see any places close?
>Geesh. 13 dollars an hour to sit at the checkout? Things must have
>changed. Or does this refer to some other position?
>I remember the good old days of working as a cashier at a local
>grocery store. It paid an amazing.... 6.25 or so after 2 years of
>service. Of course I was only 15 or 16 at the time. Oh well.
Listen here sonny...
When I was 15 I was working for $3.35/hour. That was minimum wage back in
my day. And that was only 1985. You go talk to my grandfather who was
working on the railroad for $1/day back in 1930 or so.
Ok, granted that was 15 years ago. But if I was 15 and someone offered me
$6/hour I'd be ecstatic.
$6*20 hour = $120 That's enough for a new pair of them fancy baggy pants, or
some clown shoes. :)
Youngin's these days... no respect for money. That's why you can't hire
anybody, they all think they should be senior LAN analysts and mooch off
their parents til they're 35. :)
Ted Rattei
: Are we going to tell "first job, what'd it pay" stories?
Well, I suppose that I could. Back in the summer of 1993, I got a paper
route that paid $0.05 per paper delivered (*150 papers=$7.50 per week). I
also ran a small lawn mowing business, having up to 8 regular customers.
Then, in Nov. of 1996 I got a job working for a contract circuit board
manufacturer as a janitor. This paid $300 per month, at a rate of around
$7.50 per hour. Then I took a job at Burger King as a crew member in
1997. I started at minimum wage (me and my big mouth) of $4.75 per hour.
I worked hard and was a good employee, and 6 months later they started
training me to open the store Sat. mornings. I was then promoted to
Assistant Manager, at which I worked for around $7 per hour. Next, I
worked at Barr Engineering (www.barr.com) in Computer Support, where I
had a fabulous time helping out other people! I then found VISI.com as my
employer, where I am currently employed. But hey, I haven't yet made it
to my 18th birthday and as of yet, don't even have a driving permit
(although I have just 15 more hours of classroom instruction to go...)!
I guess that my story doesn't quite go along the same vein as some others,
but I have had fun at what I have done the last few years.
Heh.
Ted
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Christopher Schulte
wrote:
> $6*20 hour = $120 That's enough for a new pair of them fancy baggy pants, or
>some clown shoes. :)
Yeah, and since I don't pay taxes, it really was 120!!!! Hah. jk And
what's with the baggy pants thing? Were they popular for a while?
Still? How about the ripped up jeans that cost 80 dollars How much
crack would you need to be smoking to buy those?
> Youngin's these days... no respect for money. That's why you can't hire
>anybody, they all think they should be senior LAN analysts and mooch off
>their parents til they're 35. :)
Have you been talking to my friends? That's so my ambition in life.
At least the parent thing till 35. Almost 21 here and mom's not
kicked me out yet! (knock on wood)
Todd Larson
competition in Rochester, and it might be reasons other than what made
the press.
On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:49:56 -0500, Bill Seurer
<BillS...@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>A grocery store in Rochester just announced it is closing because it
>can't hire enough workers. Some of the jobs they couldn't fill (ZERO
>applicants!) paid $13/hour. Anyone else see any places close?
>
>The scary part is there is a new Super WalMart being built here that
>needs something like 500 workers and a new huge grocery store. Where
>the heck do they expect to get workers? And the vacancy rate is almost
>zero too so even if they find workers they won't have any place to live.
>--
>
>Bill Seurer Compiler Development IBM Rochester, MN
>Bill_Seurer AT us.ibm.com Bill AT seurer.net
>http://www.seurer.net/ (replace " AT " with "@" to email me)
-Todd
Earl Truss
companies are now more closely examining high school records and saying
"no" to applicants with poor grades, poor attendance records or
discipline problems. I also am starting to see lots of complaints of
businesses not being able to find "qualified applicants". What's going
on?
Bill Seurer <BillS...@vnet.ibm.com> wrote in message
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Craig A. Finseth
Earl Truss <etr...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>Yesterday's Star Tribune business section had an article saying that
>companies are now more closely examining high school records and saying
>"no" to applicants with poor grades, poor attendance records or
>discipline problems. I also am starting to see lots of complaints of
>businesses not being able to find "qualified applicants". What's going
>on?
Umm, you're gullible?
First, you actually _believed_ something that you read in the paper
(or saw on TV, or heard on the radio?) They're _entertainment_, not fact.
Second, it's a big world. I'm sure that somewhere at least one hiring
person is thinking that looking at high school records is a good idea.
That doesn't make it a trend.
Third, I quit worrying about things like this ten years ago when I
read a Business Week article about how company X was improving
operations by centralizing everything and, two pages later, there was
an article about company Y improving everything by decentralizing.
Like the stock market and pro sports, reporting is at its best when
the events are most random and the information content is least.
Craig
Dee Dege
>Yesterday's Star Tribune business section had an article saying that
>companies are now more closely examining high school records and saying
>"no" to applicants with poor grades, poor attendance records or
>discipline problems. I also am starting to see lots of complaints of
>businesses not being able to find "qualified applicants". What's going
>on?
The article said an organization, National Business Association???, has
proposed this with an initial 2000 businesses cooperating, and now after
two years 10,000 businesses cooperating, in an attempt to encourage better
performance in high school, and better preparation for jobs after high
school. One company mentioned was McDonald's. And, the one applicant
denied work after review of high school records had something like 12
absences and 27 tardies in the last school year.
I don't know how many companies there are in the U.S., but suspect that
10,000 companies is NOT a majority.
>Bill Seurer <BillS...@vnet.ibm.com> wrote in message
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>> A grocery store in Rochester just announced it is closing because it
>> can't hire enough workers. Some of the jobs they couldn't fill (ZERO
>> applicants!) paid $13/hour. Anyone else see any places close?
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>Earl Truss <etr...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>>Yesterday's Star Tribune business section had an article saying that
>>companies are now more closely examining high school records and saying
>>"no" to applicants with poor grades, poor attendance records or
>>discipline problems. I also am starting to see lots of complaints of
>>businesses not being able to find "qualified applicants". What's going
>>on?
>The article said an organization, National Business Association???, has
>proposed this with an initial 2000 businesses cooperating, and now after
>two years 10,000 businesses cooperating, in an attempt to encourage better
>performance in high school, and better preparation for jobs after high
>school. One company mentioned was McDonald's. And, the one applicant
>denied work after review of high school records had something like 12
>absences and 27 tardies in the last school year.
And if you're hiring somebody just out of highschool, the highschool
records are somewhat relevant. They get less relevant as time
passes. Somewhere around 5 or 10 years they become pretty much
irrelevant, at least to rational hirers. Pretty much the same for
college records, too.
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> ferm...@tc.umn.edu (John Ferman) writes:
> >This is fascinating. If there are too few techno-assemblers in MN (with
> >our many techie type post secondary schools), why does Hutchinson think
> >there a oodles of SD techno-types. I can see where there might be some
> >chance in WI - they have lots of techie schools. But SD is noted for its
> >parsimony. Or have things changed.
>
> I know for a fact that Gateway ran into severe problems with this when they
> moved operations from Iowa to SD.
>
> The truth behind this one is not that hte company can't find people to
> hire... they can't find people who are willing to work cheap enough.
didn't gateway just move a large portion of their company to san diego
because they couldn't attract talent??