EDGE go bu-bye?
Conal Garrity
Hello Everybody!
First off, there is some big news afoot in the Minneapolis radio
industry. Three independent sources have confirmed that on Thursday, the
18th, local station THE EDGE will no longer be on the air!
Here's the scoop:
On Thursday (first day of the new Arbitron ratings period) The Edge will
switch over to the X-105 (active rock) signal and simulcast for about
one week. After that week is up, what was The Edge will move to the
X-105 frequencies. Sources tell us that the Disney conglomerate also
seeks to purchase the name "Revolution Radio" for possible usage on the
new Edge/105 station.
What does this mean?
This move will basically reincarnate 93X (former heavy metal station
that existed before Disney Co. bought them out and turned them into The
Edge in a pre-emptive move against the up and coming Rev 105) and will
go head-to-head with Rock 100/Howard Stern on equal footing (both
100,000 watt transmitters).
The move of the Edge to the 105 frequencies seems to indicate that they
intend to try to recapture some of what Rev had going before it was
bought out by Disney Co. Apparently they think that the same frequency +
the same name = success. This will be interesting to watch.
The Edge's continuing decline in ratings clearly led to this situation,
but what has the Disney conglomerate learned? They have yet another
chance (the first being possession of what used to be Rev) to do
something unique and lasting with the 105 frequencies... but will they?
We'll keep you updated on the "Long Live The Revolution" website at
http://radparker.com/radio
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In other Minneapolis area radio news, Mark Wheat (Local Sound Dept,
KFAI) reports in his weekly emailing that Jim DeRogatis, host of "the
world's only rock 'n roll talk show" on KSTP 1500 AM, will be leaving
the airwaves to take a position in Chicago. Another blow to radio in the
Twin Cities. We'll miss you, Jim!
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hang in there....
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Scott Smith
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:05:55 -0500, Conal Garrity <fi...@geeks.org>
wrote:
>The Edge's continuing decline in ratings clearly led to this situation,
>but what has the Disney conglomerate learned? They have yet another
>chance (the first being possession of what used to be Rev) to do
>something unique and lasting with the 105 frequencies... but will they?
That depends on whether they can hire a program director that actually
knows what "alternative" music programming is about.
Maybe Kevin Cole is still available. <g>
A name and a frequency don't necessarily mean anything without
substance, IMO.
Scott Smith
sc...@wwwebworld.com
todd
> First off, there is some big news afoot in the Minneapolis radio
> industry. Three independent sources have confirmed that on Thursday, the
> 18th, local station THE EDGE will no longer be on the air!
>
> Here's the scoop:
> On Thursday (first day of the new Arbitron ratings period) The Edge will
> switch over to the X-105 (active rock) signal and simulcast for about
> one week. After that week is up, what was The Edge will move to the
> X-105 frequencies. Sources tell us that the Disney conglomerate also
> seeks to purchase the name "Revolution Radio" for possible usage on the
> new Edge/105 station.
>
> What does this mean?
> This move will basically reincarnate 93X (former heavy metal station
> that existed before Disney Co. bought them out and turned them into The
> Edge in a pre-emptive move against the up and coming Rev 105) and will
> go head-to-head with Rock 100/Howard Stern on equal footing (both
> 100,000 watt transmitters).
> The move of the Edge to the 105 frequencies seems to indicate that they
> intend to try to recapture some of what Rev had going before it was
> bought out by Disney Co. Apparently they think that the same frequency +
> the same name = success. This will be interesting to watch.
> but what has the Disney conglomerate learned? They have yet another
> chance (the first being possession of what used to be Rev) to do
> something unique and lasting with the 105 frequencies... but will they?
The head-to-head move makes sense, with Edge not having a direct
competitor, and ABC wanting to protect KQ from Rock 100.3. In theory at
least, every Alternative listener would be willing to put up with the
lesser 105 signals, since there's no other (exact) choice.
There are plenty of reasons for Edge's ratings decline. The loss of
Cain to New York City (again), Savage's ratings decline (due in part to
Howard Stern; Savage was a much more likely true victim than Barnard in
the first place), and the overall decline in Alternative in many markets
(not a big decline, but clearly the "boom" may be past).
Don't bet on a return of "Rev 105," though. Chances are, the formatics
will be much the same as the Edge, but with some of the imagery of the
old Rev 105, to make the move to the otherwise much-less-desirable dial
position better.
As for what "Disney (has) learned," Edge's numbers, though in decline,
are still MUCH better than Rev ever was. All there seems to be to learn
was that Rev listeners weren't necessarily going to flock to the Edge,
or it would have gone UP. But how many more listeners would they have
lost by copying the old Rev, which never broke a 2??
Nevets
>First off, there is some big news afoot in the Minneapolis radio
>industry. Three independent sources have confirmed that on Thursday, the
>18th, local station THE EDGE will no longer be on the air!
Oh no!
>Here's the scoop:
>On Thursday (first day of the new Arbitron ratings period) The Edge will
>switch over to the X-105 (active rock) signal and simulcast for about
>one week. After that week is up, what was The Edge will move to the
>X-105 frequencies. Sources tell us that the Disney conglomerate also
>seeks to purchase the name "Revolution Radio" for possible usage on the
>new Edge/105 station.
Why?
>What does this mean?
>This move will basically reincarnate 93X (former heavy metal station
>that existed before Disney Co. bought them out and turned them into The
>Edge in a pre-emptive move against the up and coming Rev 105) and will
>go head-to-head with Rock 100/Howard Stern on equal footing (both
>100,000 watt transmitters).
Is Rock 100 actually getting listeners?
I see lot's of X105 bumper stickers, but...
>The move of the Edge to the 105 frequencies seems to indicate that they
>intend to try to recapture some of what Rev had going before it was
>bought out by Disney Co. Apparently they think that the same frequency +
>the same name = success. This will be interesting to watch.
>The Edge's continuing decline in ratings clearly led to this situation,
>but what has the Disney conglomerate learned? They have yet another
>chance (the first being possession of what used to be Rev) to do
>something unique and lasting with the 105 frequencies... but will they?
Hmm, I guess I don't get this.
Nevets
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:14:52 -0500, todd <to...@btigate.com> wrote:
>There are plenty of reasons for Edge's ratings decline. The loss of
>Cain to New York City (again), Savage's ratings decline (due in part to
>Howard Stern; Savage was a much more likely true victim than Barnard in
>the first place), and the overall decline in Alternative in many markets
>(not a big decline, but clearly the "boom" may be past).
Interestingly, I've actually begun to listen to the 93.7 morning show
pretty much exclusively now that Brian Oake is on, instead of Andy
Savage.
>Don't bet on a return of "Rev 105," though. Chances are, the formatics
>will be much the same as the Edge, but with some of the imagery of the
>old Rev 105, to make the move to the otherwise much-less-desirable dial
>position better.
I seem to recall reading somewhere once, that the lower frequencies
on the dial have the highest fidelity, which is why they are
preferred. I can't remember why that was.
Anyway, it is official. I was listening to 93.7 tonight at the gym,
and weasel started playing commercials for 93X and then going "Oops,
that ain't until thursday."
Sigh, I hope they don't play the same shit on both stations for a
week though.
todd
> >There are plenty of reasons for Edge's ratings decline. The loss of
> >Cain to New York City (again), Savage's ratings decline (due in part to
> >Howard Stern; Savage was a much more likely true victim than Barnard in
> >the first place), and the overall decline in Alternative in many markets
> >(not a big decline, but clearly the "boom" may be past).
>
> Interestingly, I've actually begun to listen to the 93.7 morning show
> pretty much exclusively now that Brian Oake is on, instead of Andy
> Savage.
The trends haven't been as good in mornings with Oake (granted, it's
early).
> >Don't bet on a return of "Rev 105," though. Chances are, the formatics
> >will be much the same as the Edge, but with some of the imagery of the
> >old Rev 105, to make the move to the otherwise much-less-desirable dial
> >position better.
>
> I seem to recall reading somewhere once, that the lower frequencies
> on the dial have the highest fidelity, which is why they are
> preferred. I can't remember why that was.
The 105 position in the Twin Cities has NOTHING! to do with "fidelity"
in and of itself; the 105 trio is made up of 3 rimshot signals which
STILL fail to put a good signal in much of the Twin Cities, compared to
the city-grade 100kW of 93.7, which is on the same Shoreview tower as
anybody who is anybody there (except KS95 and WLTE, who have their own
sticks; KQ, 93.7, KTCZ, WLOL, WBOB, KDWB, KEEY, and KMJZ are all there).
> Anyway, it is official. I was listening to 93.7 tonight at the gym,
> and weasel started playing commercials for 93X and then going "Oops,
> that ain't until thursday."
>
> Sigh, I hope they don't play the same shit on both stations for a
> week though.
Bet on it. It's meant to steal attention from Rock 100.3, as the book
gets underway. (Interesting, given WRQC's weak trend just out, that
they would give them that much attention, but you don't want to risk
having them regain lost ground.)
todd
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A follow-up to my previous post, the article from the Star-Tribune.
Looks like 105 will not, in fact, be just like the current Edge. ABC is
taking on Chancellor, and if they can not only gain back former Rev 105
listeners, but get those disenchanted with the way Cities 97 has started
to sound like KQ-lite, they might be on to something. Certainly, with
the lesser-quality signals of the 105 trio, you have to count on loyal
listeners, and not "the cume."
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<H2>'Edge' radio gives way to hard rock; 105 goes alt again</H2>
<STRONG>Noel Holston</STRONG> / Star Tribune<P>
<P>Six months after it orphaned progressive-rock purists by converting ra=
dio's Rev-105 to hard rock, the owner of the rival Edge is changing that =
station's format to hard rock, too.</P>
<P>Starting Thursday afternoon, Capital Cities/ABC will use the Edge's 93=
=2E7 FM frequency and the weaker signals of sister station X105 to simulc=
ast a hybrid hard-rock playlist. Along with tracks by older bands such as=
Aerosmith and Metallica, the new 93X will play harder-edged alternative =
bands such as Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Nirvana.</P>
<P>But that's just Phase 1. In about a week, the X105 trio of stations (1=
05.1, 105.3 and 105.7 FM) will adopt a modified alternative format. </P>
<P>Its playlist will mix softer alternative bands such as the Wallflowers=
with older progressive rock bands such as R.E.M. and U2.</P>
<P>"It's a proactive response to the demands of the marketplace," said Ma=
rk Steinmetz, who oversees Capital Cities/ABC's radio stations in the Twi=
n Cities. "Alternative has grown into almost two different formats, split=
between the hard alternative and the adult alternative."</P>
<P>Steinmetz said the reconstituted 105 format "will be a true alternativ=
e station, without the grunge," intended to appeal to people who "liked t=
he variety and eclectic nature of the old Rev and the sound of the old Ci=
ties 97 KTCZ-FM."</P>
<P>Heading off a threat?</P>
<P>The Edge and Capital Cities/=1CABC's local flagship, KQRS-FM, have los=
t audience share since the company's main Twin Cities competitor, Chancel=
lor Broadcasting, bought country station WBOB-FM and converted it to hard=
-rock WRQC-FM (100.3), with Howard Stern's syndicated show as its daytime=
cornerstone.</P>
<P>Counting WRQC, Chancellor owns seven Twin Cities stations with a combi=
ned share of about 30 percent of listenership (KDWB, K102, KFAN, Cities 9=
7, KQQL and KTCJ).</P>
<P>The two companies now seem to be engaged in a chess match, changing fo=
rmats to take advantage of shifting trends or perceived weaknesses in the=
competition. For instance, Capital Cities/=1CABC's plan to add more adul=
t-oriented music on 105 represents a counterthrust to the shift by once-p=
rogressive Cities 97 to KQ-like classic rock.</P>
<P>Not surprisingly, Chancellor sees Capital Cities/ABC's latest move as =
a sign of its own success.</P>
<P>"I don't like the idea of getting a bigger, more powerful head-to-head=
competitor 93X, but I've got to be dancing for joy," said Andy Blume, WR=
QC's program director. "Basically what they've done is, they've blinked.<=
/P>
<P>"We're very flattered that after we've been on the air four or five mo=
nths, they would see it necessary to blow up not one but two of their rad=
io stations to try to stop this train to protect KQRS 92.5 FM."</P>
<P>KQRS is unquestionably the Twin Cities's most popular radio station, a=
nd one of the most successful stations in the country. Its morning show, =
hosted by Tom Barnard, nearly triples the audience of its closest rival i=
n the younger demographic categories.</P>
<P>In the spring Arbitron survey released in June, Stern's show had pushe=
d KRQC's morning-drive audience share to 11.5 percent in the age-18-to-34=
demographic. That's a distant second to KQ's Barnard (27.5), but almost =
three times the previous spring's numbers, while KQ's share was down seve=
ral points.</P>
<P>Blume conceded that the most recent Arbitron trend reports show Stern =
down about half a share point and Barnard rebounding slightly. Neverthele=
ss, he argued that Capital Cities/ABC is so worried about KRQC's growth t=
hat it's devoting its strongest available frequency to a similar hard-roc=
k format -- even if that means risking the established and profitable Edg=
e format, employed by about 50 stations around the nation.</P>
<P>Steinmetz sneered at that notion. He said Capital Cities/ABC's stratag=
em "has to do with the success we've had with X105 and our deciding that =
the hard rock and alternative rock position we've explored with X105 is a=
bigger and better position for the 93.7 signal. It has nothing to do wit=
h WRQC."</P>
<P>An old Rev voice on 105</P>
<P>Capital Cities/ABC acquired the Rev's nickname when it bought the stat=
ion in March. But Steinmetz said they ruled out reinstating it.</P>
<P>"As much as I think many Rev listeners will like what they hear on 105=
, it won't exactly be the Rev," he said. "For us to say the Rev is back w=
ould probably draw criticism from some of the core fans. We'll come up wi=
th something original."</P>
<P>Steinmetz said the 93.7 and 105 personnel will undergo some reshufflin=
g, but with no loss of jobs. Most promimently, Brian Oake, a Rev-105 refu=
gee recently installed as morning-drive host of the Edge, is scheduled to=
move to 105 FM when it goes adult alternative. And X105's morning disc j=
ockey, Mike Dousette, will get the morning slot on 93X.</P>
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ScottS95
she...@yuck.net followed what
todd <to...@btigate.com> wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>>There are plenty of reasons for Edge's ratings decline. The loss of<BR>
>>Cain to New York City (again), Savage's ratings decline (due in part to<BR>
>>Howard Stern; Savage was a much more likely true victim than Barnard in<BR>
>>the first place), and the overall decline in Alternative in many markets<BR>
>>(not a big decline, but clearly the "boom" may be past).<BR>
><BR>
> Interestingly, I've actually begun to listen to the 93.7 morning show<BR>
>pretty much exclusively now that Brian Oake is on, instead of Andy<BR>
>Savage.<BR>
><BR>
>>Don't bet on a return of "Rev 105," though. Chances are, the formatics<BR>
>>will be much the same as the Edge, but with some of the imagery of the<BR>
>>old Rev 105, to make the move to the otherwise much-less-desirable dial<BR>
>>position better.<BR>
><BR>
> I seem to recall reading somewhere once, that the lower frequencies<BR>
>on the dial have the highest fidelity, which is why they are<BR>
>preferred. I can't remember why that was.<BR>
In fact not. There is no difference in the bandwidth between 88.9 and
107.9 as carrier frequencies, nor in the ability of a receiver to decode
that signal accurately.
Back in the tube days, however, the low end of the band had a decided
advantage due to less noise generated in the tubes, which meant the signal
you put up was proportionally stronger than a high-band signal because it
was not masked in the emission hash of the amplifiers and Miller-effect
decoder. That is not the case now, even IC receiver sections are pretty
uniform. But old habits die hard, and like AM, FM business-types think the
lower the carrier frequency, the more golden the eggs their goose lays.
AM radio strongly benefits from a ground wave as well as low-altitude
skip, which is why most full-power AM stations have many towers.. they are
required to distort their circular coverage patterns at sundown to protect
other stations, and for that they need the additional antennas, which
broadcast out of phase carrier to notch out chunks of their night pattern.
This is not done in FM and TV because, frankly, you aren't going to have
enough effect to matter... there is not enough ground effect to protect
anybody from. There is still a trace of ground effect, in which Earth's
conductivity as the ground leg of the antenna system tends to pull the
lower bands of RF energy across the horizon like a blanket, but it just
about disappears completely by the end of the FM band.
scot...@aol.com
Scott Schrader
"didn't read it, couldn't say it, would never have thought it" --
universal disclaimer
Steve Sundberg
todd (to...@btigate.com) wrote:
:
: The 105 position in the Twin Cities has NOTHING! to do with "fidelity"
: in and of itself; the 105 trio is made up of 3 rimshot signals which
: STILL fail to put a good signal in much of the Twin Cities, compared to
: the city-grade 100kW of 93.7, which is on the same Shoreview tower as
: anybody who is anybody there (except KS95 and WLTE, who have their own
: sticks; KQ, 93.7, KTCZ, WLOL, WBOB, KDWB, KEEY, and KMJZ are all there).
So is WLTE last time I checked... which was not too long ago. I work
there. (At the radio station, not the Shoreview antenna farm.) 103 FM
was one of the original occupants of the towers there-- years before
KTCZ and WBOB joined.
But you're right about fidelity. FM signals are not affected by frequency
location like AM signals are. FM is a line-of-sight bandwidth, and a
station benefits from tower height and/or ERP regardless of whether the
station is at 89.9 or 107.9 Mhz. With FM, signal clarity comes down to
the class of license issued-- Class C being the highest-powered (e.g. WLTE
or KQRS); Class A being the lowest (e.g. any of the former Rev stations).
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Eric Alter
The EDGE has been less than alternative since that format has been played
locally here in Rochester on the pop station.
Several years ago I couldn't get enough of the EDGE when it was alternative,
now it's just pop and frankly, I listen to 100.3 more than 93.7 now because
of that.
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KFYR-AM Front Desk
Eric:
Pop today IS alternative. It's not Michael Bolton and Gloria Estefan
anymore; it's Third Eye Blind and Mighty Mighty Bosstones. That stuff
would NEVER have made it to pop radio three or four years ago.
Todd Mitchell
to...@btigate.com
Nevets
On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:52:01 -0500, todd <to...@btigate.com> wrote:
>A follow-up to my previous post, the article from the Star-Tribune.
>Looks like 105 will not, in fact, be just like the current Edge. ABC is
>taking on Chancellor, and if they can not only gain back former Rev 105
>listeners, but get those disenchanted with the way Cities 97 has started
>to sound like KQ-lite, they might be on to something. Certainly, with
>the lesser-quality signals of the 105 trio, you have to count on loyal
>listeners, and not "the cume."
Whoa... After reading the article.
THIS MAY WELL BE A GOOD THING!
A cross between the adult stuff that 93.7 plays and the old Cities
97, would be AWESOME!
Nevets
Yep.
Although if you look at the top-40 charts, I think you'll see a cross
between what EDGE plays and what a station like KDWB plays.
You've got the alternative stuff, and then you have the rap/dance mix
stuff.
Years ago, pop was Michael Jackson, Madonna, George Michael, and
such. We used to have two stations that just played that top-40
format(101.3 and 99.5). Now we have two stations playing essentially
top-40 formats, but of two different styles.(101.3 and 93.7)
It's kind of weird.
Eric Alter
Oops...I meant Top 40, not Pop music. Oh well...
In article <342015...@kfyr.com>, KFYR-AM Front Desk <fron...@kfyr.com> writes:
|> Eric Alter wrote:
|> >
|> > The EDGE has been less than alternative since that format has been played
|> > locally here in Rochester on the pop station.
|> >
|> > Several years ago I couldn't get enough of the EDGE when it was alternative,
|> > now it's just pop and frankly, I listen to 100.3 more than 93.7 now because
|> > of that.
|> >
|> > --
|> >
|> > Eric Alter
|>
|> Eric:
|>
|> Pop today IS alternative. It's not Michael Bolton and Gloria Estefan
|> anymore; it's Third Eye Blind and Mighty Mighty Bosstones. That stuff
|> would NEVER have made it to pop radio three or four years ago.
|>
|> Todd Mitchell
|> to...@btigate.com
--
Eric Alter
Ed Jensen
Nevets <she...@yuck.net> wrote in article
<34231ed0...@news.visi.com>...
> It's kind of weird.
My favorite overall format was the alternative mix 104 KJJO used to
play. Maybe the new 105 format will be similar. (Fingers crossed)
-Ed
Al Angen
I agree totally. 104 I missed, 105 was never quite as good. I was
very disappointed that Kevin's style (remember Club D?) was never
present on 105 unless it was his show.
-Al
Marshal H. Perlman
>>First off, there is some big news afoot in the Minneapolis radio
>>industry. Three independent sources have confirmed that on Thursday, the
>>18th, local station THE EDGE will no longer be on the air!
Oi vey. What a rude wake up I had today. I listen to Stern in the AM [been a
Howard fan for a long time] -- then put on the Edge right after that (for
the rest of the day) -- and today, I was listening for 30 minutes thinking,
"This music sucks, what is going on?" Then I realized what actually
happened, the Edge is gone.
I come from LA, and the Edge was very much like KROQ... and now, we got
nothing. =8(
Any idea on a Edge type replacement? Even http://www.937edge.com/ is 93X.
=8(
Andy Yee
In article <01bcc3c5$9ed0f800$82c0...@chronos.visi.com>, "Ed Jensen" <eje...@nospam.visi.com> wrote:
>Nevets <she...@yuck.net> wrote in article
><34231ed0...@news.visi.com>...
>> It's kind of weird.
>
>My favorite overall format was the alternative mix 104 KJJO used to
>play. Maybe the new 105 format will be similar. (Fingers crossed)
>
Yeah!....One can hope :)
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todd
> >My favorite overall format was the alternative mix 104 KJJO used to
> >play. Maybe the new 105 format will be similar. (Fingers crossed)
> >
>
> Yeah!....One can hope :)
Considering KJ104's last book was a 1.6, don't be too sure.
Maybe a AAA-leaning Modern AC, to take the disenchanted Cities 97 people
(now that they sound like a lite KQ); something adventurous enough to
attract former KJ/Rev/Edge listeners. But don't look for it to be TOO
Alternative.
Sarah Ellen Johnson
In light of the end of the Edge, a discussion (well, an argument) has
begun at my office about which radio station played "It's the End of the
World as We Know It (and I feel fine)" over and over in 1993 or 1994.
If anyone can help us to settle this bet and restore peace to our work
environment, I will be most grateful.
-Sarah
jef...@skypoint.com
Sarah Ellen Johnson <sa...@email.lommen.com> wrote:
: In light of the end of the Edge, a discussion (well, an argument) has
: -Sarah
I believe it was when 93X became 93.7 EDGE.
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: jef...@skypoint.com http://www.skypoint.com/~jeffnor :
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John
On 19 Sep 1997 17:20:13 GMT, jef...@skypoint.com <jef...@skypoint.com> wrote:
>Sarah Ellen Johnson <sa...@email.lommen.com> wrote:
>: In light of the end of the Edge, a discussion (well, an argument) has
>: begun at my office about which radio station played "It's the End of the
>: World as We Know It (and I feel fine)" over and over in 1993 or 1994.
>
>: If anyone can help us to settle this bet and restore peace to our work
>: environment, I will be most grateful.
>
>: -Sarah
>
>I believe it was when 93X became 93.7 EDGE.
I do believe it was WLOL when MPR bought them.
--
John
jo...@hockey.net
Finger me for my PGP key.
Ed Jensen
John <jo...@zamboni.hockey.net> wrote in article
<slrn625qn...@zamboni.hockey.net>...
Nonsense. It was 93.7.
When WLOL went from Top 40 to some weird, poppy, dance format, the
last song they played was "The End of Innocence" (I don't remember
the exact song title).
93.7 definately played the R.E.M. song over and over. (I was on
the edge of my seat, waiting for them to switch to alternative,
having missed KJJO's old alternative format).
> --
> John
>
> jo...@hockey.net
> Finger me for my PGP key.
-Ed
Ed Jensen
Al Iverson <ne...@radparker.com> wrote in article
<news-ya02318000...@news.visi.com>...
> Funny how perceptions change. (Edge sucks and I don't really care
that it's
> gone.)
Same here. Back when, I used to listen to The Edge all the time.
Today, I hardly miss The Edge at all.
So, what changed? The music? Me? Both?
I really feel like the variety dwindled over the years.
> --
> rad[at]radparker.com -- http://radparker.com/rad/
> Al Iverson, Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
> Unsolicited Commercial Email is unwelcome.
-Ed
Drew Lanz
In article <5vv78t$t...@epx.cis.umn.edu>, asla...@cs.umn.NOT.edu (Brian Excarnate) says:
[Bonus newsgroups removed]
>Al Angen <aan...@visi.com> writes:
>>I agree totally. 104 I missed, 105 was never quite as good. I was
>>very disappointed that Kevin's style (remember Club D?) was never
>>present on 105 unless it was his show.
>104 was lame! 105 was the best. 105 was as good as anything I've heard
>anywhere, and the DJs were far far better.
Ask anyone what is the best radio station, the
answer will often start with:
"they're gone now, but it used to be
[whatever], they were great, others
have tried the format, but there has
been nothing like it since."
In this case, KJJO for me. They've been gone longer,
so by my criteria, they must be (have been) the best.
Next, The best band:
"It was [whatever], but their new stuff sucks."
Regards,
Drew ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~|
| I said it. You read it. I'm not taking it back. |
| drew...@skypoint.com |
| http://www.skypoint.com/~drewlanz |
"The State shall not discriminate against, or grant
preferential treatment to, any individual or group on
the basis of race, color, ethnicity, or national origin
in the operation of public employment, public education
or public contracting." (1996 CA Prop 209)
Al Angen
Sarah Ellen Johnson wrote:
>
> In light of the end of the Edge, a discussion (well, an argument) has
> begun at my office about which radio station played "It's the End of the
> World as We Know It (and I feel fine)" over and over in 1993 or 1994.
>
> If anyone can help us to settle this bet and restore peace to our work
> environment, I will be most grateful.
>
> -Sarah
Both 104.1 and 93.7 did this....
Al Angen
Brian Excarnate wrote:
>
> Al Angen <aan...@visi.com> writes:
> >I agree totally. 104 I missed, 105 was never quite as good. I was
> >very disappointed that Kevin's style (remember Club D?) was never
> >present on 105 unless it was his show.
>
> 104 was lame! 105 was the best. 105 was as good as anything I've heard
> anywhere, and the DJs were far far better.
>
> sorry bout the anti-spam address
poof! Zealot!!
todd
> > >I agree totally. 104 I missed, 105 was never quite as good. I was
> > >very disappointed that Kevin's style (remember Club D?) was never
> > >present on 105 unless it was his show.
> >
> > 104 was lame! 105 was the best. 105 was as good as anything I've heard
> > anywhere, and the DJs were far far better.
hmmm...some of the same were on both stations!
Ed Jensen
Brian Excarnate <asla...@cs.umn.NOT.edu> wrote in article
<5vv78t$t...@epx.cis.umn.edu>...
> 104 was lame! 105 was the best. 105 was as good as anything I've
heard
> anywhere, and the DJs were far far better.
It was nice that 105 (Rev) attempted to play a wide variety of
music, but unfortunately, I found that I didn't like most of that
wide variety they played.
104 (KJJO), on the other hand, played a wide variety of music, and
I liked most of it.
To each his (or her) own, I guess.
> Brian
> sorry bout the anti-spam address
-Ed
Christa
Hi,
I want to know what the HELL happened to the EDGE???
Do you think everyone in the Twin CIties LIkes Hard ROCK!?!!?
THere is 100.3 Already so give it up!!! NOw my Damned radio
wont pick up 105 if the edge transfers to that station!!
I dont get it!! They should take over 101.3 KDWB!! Please that would
be a blessing!!!!!! But Why are they getting rid of the good stations?
I was crused when they took REV105 off the air, with no warning about
it AT ALL!! Why dont they get a clue and quite with this SHIT?!
There is way too many Hard Rock stations out
there, cant there just be at LEAST one Alternative????
I am so sick of these huge radio stations taking over the
good stations!!! Like Remember REV105???? THE "X" took over
that too!!!! I would like a little warning when MY FAVORITE
station is going off the air, but That never happens I just
turn on the radio and Poof ITS GONE!!
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todd
Christa wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I want to know what the HELL happened to the EDGE???
> Do you think everyone in the Twin CIties LIkes Hard ROCK!?!!?
> THere is 100.3 Already so give it up!!! NOw my Damned radio
> wont pick up 105 if the edge transfers to that station!!
> I dont get it!! They should take over 101.3 KDWB!! Please that would
> be a blessing!!!!!! But Why are they getting rid of the good stations?
> I was crused when they took REV105 off the air, with no warning about
> it AT ALL!! Why dont they get a clue and quite with this SHIT?!
> There is way too many Hard Rock stations out
> there, cant there just be at LEAST one Alternative????
> I am so sick of these huge radio stations taking over the
> good stations!!! Like Remember REV105???? THE "X" took over
> that too!!!! I would like a little warning when MY FAVORITE
> station is going off the air, but That never happens I just
> turn on the radio and Poof ITS GONE!!
Christa:
CALM DOWN!!!
First off, KDWB is already beating Edge, X, and Rock in the ratings, and
has consistently done very well for many years. It might not be your
preference, but it's doing far too well for them to ever pull the plug.
Second, 105X's ratings were immediately better than the best Rev ever
did, and continued an upward trend.
Third, radio stations don't take over radio stations; companies BUY
them. If you're looking to place blame for the loss of Rev 105, you
should consider the Cargills: they are the ones that "gave up" and
"sold out."
Fourth, Edge's ratings have been disasterous of late. That's why Savage
is gone. And the early returns without him had it continuing in a
downslide.
However, to your credit, I'm certain hard rock won't be strong enough to
keep 93X and Rock 100.3 in business forever. The point is, you've got
the combo of KQ, X, and 105 (said to become The Zone, when it adopts its
new format, a bit more adult-leaning than the Edge), against Rock and
Cities 97. More importantly, 93X against Rock 100.3. If there proves
to be a long battle with close ratings, it might go on for some time,
but if one consistently loses to the other, the loser will surely bow
out and try something else....perhaps Alternative.
But people's "favorite stations" disappear for one reason and one reason
only: there weren't enough people calling it their "favorite." The
folks at ABC (KQ) -- or any other company -- would NEVER pull the plug
on something doing that well; they spend too much money trying to make
NEW things work, to give up on something already doing well.
Hope this helps! As for my own tastes, I was tired of Hard Rock when
the FIRST 93X came along (late 80's), and the Cargills bought out the
station I _did_ listen to most when I was in town...the former Cafe
105.7.
MHz
to...@btigate.com,Internet writes:
If you're looking to place blame for the loss of Rev 105, you
should consider the Cargills: they are the ones that "gave up" and
"sold out."
Actually, blame congress and the Telecom Act of 1996, which relaxed broadcast
ownership rules to allow the likes of Chancellor [KDWB-Cities'
97-100.3-K102-KOOL108-KFAN-KTCJ/690] and ABC [KQ-93X-105s-KDIZ/1440] to own
more stations. *That* is what doomed Rev.
If the Revs had not been sold, Cargill would have continued to have had a
rough time competing with the 105s' signal coverage what it was (is) and with
Edge's competition. Cargill would not have been tempted to exit those
pressured circumstances had ABC been limited in the number of stations it
could operate here. Until ABC came knocking, no one was lining up to buy Rev.
The Telecom Act has drastically reduced competition among many voices. Now
the only competition is among a handful of huge corporate operators.
Greg Sanderson
> >: In light of the end of the Edge, a discussion (well, an argument) has
> >: begun at my office about which radio station played "It's the End of the
> >: World as We Know It (and I feel fine)" over and over in 1993 or 1994.
> >
> >: If anyone can help us to settle this bet and restore peace to our work
> >: environment, I will be most grateful.
> >
> >: -Sarah
> >
>
> I do believe it was WLOL when MPR bought them.
>
Dawn Messerly
In article <news-ya02318000...@news.visi.com>,
ne...@radparker.com (Al Iverson) wrote:
> Funny how perceptions change. (Edge sucks and I don't really care that it's
> gone.)
I've found myself having really ambivalent feelings about the EDGE's
demise. Yes, I hated the EDGE, I hated it thoroughly, especially after
REV105 went off the air. Hated the music they played, and hated
everything they stood for.
But I also realize now, that the EDGE's demise also ultimately amounts to
fewer choices and even less diversity for radio listeners. Again, I
couldn't care less - 93.7 disappeared from my pre-programmed radio buttons
long ago - but now it means that there are a bunch of kids out there who
are a lot less likely to have a chance encounter with Beck, or the Cure -
bands that were big enough money makers to achieve radio play on the EDGE,
but who are still considered Alternative enough that they aren't played
elsewhere.
Geeeez, why can't 770 Radio K just go FM?
Kind Regards,
Dawn Messerly
"Post-Toastie"
demesserly *at* aol.com
The box said Windows 95 or better ... so I bought a Macintosh.
rhen de la truckstop
todd wrote:
> but if one consistently loses to the other, the loser will surely bow
> out and try something else....perhaps Alternative.
I seriously doubt this
nobody's making money on it anymore...
it's gotten all watered down
if "the Zone" is gonna be playing "Adult Alternative" I really don't think
anyone is going to be jumping in to play "all the other stuff"
seeing as all the good stuff in completely inaccessible to the masses of sheep
out there...
my radio station of choice?
my tape player, I like the dj a whole lot, she picks all the stuff I really like.
baaa baaa
me and my brick of salt
thank you
rhen de la fatalist
Andy Yee
Yep...but yours and my tastes happen to coincide here... :)
John J. Slade
Al Iverson wrote:
>
> "Ed Jensen" <eje...@nospam.visi.com> wrote:
>
> :
> : > >I believe it was when 93X became 93.7 EDGE.
> : >
> : > I do believe it was WLOL when MPR bought them.
> : Nonsense. It was 93.7.
> :
> : When WLOL went from Top 40 to some weird, poppy, dance format, the
> : last song they played was "The End of Innocence" (I don't remember
> : the exact song title).
> :
> : 93.7 definately played the R.E.M. song over and over. (I was on
> : the edge of my seat, waiting for them to switch to alternative,
> : having missed KJJO's old alternative format).
>
> the World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine) by R.E.M. for one whole weekend
> -- it ended when Wade Linder's "Over the Edge" show on KQ92 started at its
> regular time on Sunday night. The show was simulcast on KQ and The Edge,
> then the stations went their separate ways.
>
> Just like Ed, I was also on the edge of my seat waiting for them to switch,
> because I missed 104......
>
NO NO NO!!! Everyone else's firmly held belief is wrong, while mine is
right!!!
104 104 104!!
I think it was... no, I'm 100% IRONCLAD SURE that 104 did it when it
went under... it was a week or so, the first 'death of a favorite' for
me, and they played it hourly for a week and then straight thru for like
the last 24 or 48 hours...
And I think that some of the other switchovers did that too, after 104.
I liked the rumor that the Edge would go to 105's, and then try to buy
the old REV 105 name for the new station (which I guess they won't).
Brought to mind this scenario....
NO, Bobby, this is your mother! She isn't dead! I brought her hollow
rotting body back to unclean life!! KISS YOUR MOMMY!!! LISTEN TO
ZOMBIE REV105!!!!
Bobby: Aieeeeeeeee!!!!!!!
(Kevin Cole - a good radio man done bad by the profit-only capitalistas)
John Slade
slad0003%%@tc%%.%um%n.edu, minus the %%% signs
Dirk Waters
On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:12:06 GMT, sc...@wwwebworld.com (Scott Smith)
wrote:
get a REAL life! GEEZE!
My home town was so small, the Forth of July fireworks display
was the mayor standing on top of the Howard Johnson's sign tapping
out his pipe.- Dirk
davidebz
Small? It was an hour drive from my hometown to one large enough to have a
Howard Johnson's.
Scott Smith
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:17:16 -0600, dawn@_*_.com (Dawn Messerly) wrote:
>I've found myself having really ambivalent feelings about the EDGE's
>demise. Yes, I hated the EDGE, I hated it thoroughly, especially after
>REV105 went off the air. Hated the music they played, and hated
>everything they stood for.
Ditto.
>But I also realize now, that the EDGE's demise also ultimately amounts to
>fewer choices and even less diversity for radio listeners. Again, I
>couldn't care less - 93.7 disappeared from my pre-programmed radio buttons
>long ago - but now it means that there are a bunch of kids out there who
>are a lot less likely to have a chance encounter with Beck, or the Cure -
>bands that were big enough money makers to achieve radio play on the EDGE,
>but who are still considered Alternative enough that they aren't played
>elsewhere.
Yep, but the rumor is that this won't last for long with the simulcast of
93.7 and the 105.x frequencies. 105.x is supposedly switching to a
new "alternative" format. What that means is that we'll probably have
more of the same old Top 40 "alternative" music again sometime soon.
Oh goody.
Just saw a Beck video on VH-1, followed up with a new Fleetwood Mac
video (ugh!). So much for *his* street credibility....and mine, after all, I was
watching VH-1 for christs sake! I hope Minneapolis gets M2 soon, MTV
has become such a waste of airwaves lately (other than 120 Minutes on
Sundays).
>Geeeez, why can't 770 Radio K just go FM?
Money, legal issues and the usual bureaucratic red tape at the U of M.
Nothing new there. <g>
Scott Smith
sc...@wwwebworld.com
Scott Smith
On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:31:34 GMT, Ba...@cha.man.com (Dirk Waters) wrote:
>get a REAL life! GEEZE!
As opposed to my brightly colored artificially enhanced one? ...no thanks! <g>
SS
Al Angen
Greg Sanderson wrote:
> > >
> > >I believe it was when 93X became 93.7 EDGE.
> >
> > I do believe it was WLOL when MPR bought them.
> >
> It was indeed when 93X became "The Edge"
As I mentioned before, 104 did it, 93x did it. Those of you who's
memory doesn't go back that far can trust me on this one. Rilly.