MNAEG Gathering Thursday, Jan. 26 at 6:00 PM.

[RHunter]

Our next gathering date is coming up - time again to select a topic and sponsor. 

Anyone come up with something over the holidays?

Let's set a go/no go date for Monday, Jan. 16.

 

[RHunter]

"My team is underestimating" is the topic suggested the Jan. Gathering - do we have some interest?  If so who would like to organize the session? Anyone have a sponsor suggestion?    - Rod   Tomo

Post reply Jan 5 (8 days ago)

Other recipients: I have been following the "My team is underestimating" discussion on Scrum Practitioners list in Linked In. It has been really fascinating, with several conflicting ways to get from T-shirt sizes on stories to schedules on a calender. In my experience, there are so many sources of noise that the whole process is more art than science. But there seems to be more science that I was aware of. It would make an interesting discussion topic. Tomo Lennox cell: 612-385-4326 home: 763-383-0111 to...@tomoLennox.com

Our next gathering date is coming up - time again to select a topic and sponsor. Anyone come up with something over the holidays? Let's set a go/no go date for Monday, Jan. 16.

Begin forwarded message: From: Scrum Practitioners <groups-...@linkedin.com> Date: Thursday,2012-January-05 6:59:38 CST To: Tomo Lennox <to...@tomolennox.com> Subject: New comment on "My team is underestimating, what should I do?" LinkedIn Groups Group: Scrum Practitioners Discussion: My team is underestimating, what should I do? Marcel, I agree that the volume of partially done work in your queues, such as for instance stories that are ready and estimated, should not be more than necessary. I would not recommend that you should game the estimation numbers down as your team improves, if that is what you mean. If you do it that way you are actually hiding your team improvements. Root cause of that thinking would be interesting to analyze, probably has to do with exactly the estimation fallacy I wanted to bring up. If you mean that the scope of a given function becomes clearer as you go from big epics to medium functions to small stories, and in that process expectations change in terms of how much actually needs to be done (scope reduced), then yes relative size of that work will and should be visible in team estimations. This is a natural effect of the PO/team's learning what needs to be done to have success in the eyes of the customer and business that needs your software. If that's what you meant, thats a good point too. I've found that often the best way to cut scope is to split big chunks of "necessary work" to small pieces of work, and after having done that only implement stuff we are 100 % sure that we need. After that is delivered, evaluate the outcome in the customer's eyes and plan next phase. As it happen, when you work this way a lot of stuff will naturally not get done, and in this case this is a very good way. Posted by Mathias

[Tim Eiler]

Interest here.


Tim Eiler

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RHunter <rodh...@usfamily.net> wrote:


"My team is underestimating" is the topic suggested the Jan. Gathering - do we have some interest?
If so who would like to organize the session?
Anyone have a sponsor suggestion?

- Rod

Tomo

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Jan 5 (8 days ago)

Other recipients:
I have been following the "My team is underestimating" discussion on Scrum Practitioners list in Linked In. It has been really fascinating, with several conflicting ways to get from T-shirt sizes on stories to schedules on a calender. In my experience, there are so many sources of noise that the whole process is more art than science. But there seems to be more science that I was aware of. It would make an interesting discussion topic.

Tomo Lennox
cell: 612-385-4326
home: 763-383-0111
to...@tomoLennox.com


Our next gathering date is coming up - time again to select a topic and sponsor.
Anyone come up with something over the holidays?
Let's set a go/no go date for Monday, Jan. 16.

Begin forwarded message:
From: Scrum Practitioners <groups-...@linkedin.com>
Date: Thursday,2012-January-05 6:59:38 CST
To: Tomo Lennox <to...@tomolennox.com>
Subject: New comment on "My team is underestimating, what should I do?"

LinkedIn Groups

* Group: Scrum Practitioners
* Discussion: My team is underestimating, what should I do?<http://www.linkedin.com/e/myqi6t-gx1s9fqp-3i/vaq/85424183/52030/63438676/view_disc/?hs=false&tok=0u6N-wqm0bal41>

[Erik Hanson]

I have interest.

[Stephen Thompson]

I will attend.

Steph T

[RHunter]

We are on for the 26th.

"My team is underestimating" is the topic.

Looking fro someone to organize/lead the session, and sponsorship is open.

[Tomo Lennox]

I proposed the topic, so I feel like I am on the hook. I have less
experience with this than a lot of other people do, so I will
conditionally volunteer to lead the discussion, but I will gladly
yield to anyone with experience to share.

Tomo Lennox
cell: 612-385-4326
home: 763-383-0111

tom...@comcast.net

[RHunter]

"My team is underestimating" - this Thursday.

 

The room will be open at 6 PM as usual, but no sponsor (pizza) this month, so we will not start up until 6:30.  

7 people have committed so far, so room for plenty more...

[Lonnie Weaver-Johnson]

Right now my plan is to be there but I am iffy based on a couple of family things stacking up due to my travel lately. 

[David Allen]

My friend Ben and I plan to attend.

 

On Jan 22, 2012 7:39 PM, "RHunter" <rodh...@usfamily.net> wrote:

"My team is underestimating" - this Thursday.

 

The room will be open at 6 PM as usual, but no sponsor (pizza) this month, so we will not start up until 6:30.  

7 people have committed so far, so room for plenty more...

--

David Kreth Allen

612-374-1119

http://codecontracts.info

 

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[Erik Hanson]

At this point I plan to attend.

-Erik

[Mick Johannes]

Rod,

How many people are you expecting?

I'm happy to sponsor pizza if you want to consider it on short notice.

Mick

Mick Johannes
Vice President
Sogeti | Minneapolis
mick.j...@us.sogeti.com
612-205-1200

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[Neeser, Cheryl]

I am planning to attend.

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[Matthew Braton]

I plan to be there.

 

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Subject: Re: MNAEG Gathering Thursday, Jan. 26 at 6:00 PM.

[Tim Eiler]

I’ll be there, pending any work emergencies.

 

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[Rod Hunter]

Hi Mick,

It is looking like a smaller group (10-15).

If you would like to sponsor that would be great.
If ordering from Davannis the cost would be around $75.

Have you or someone from Sogeti attended before?

Rod Hunter
cell 651-230-1926

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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:41 AM
To: mn-agile-e...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MNAEG Gathering Thursday, Jan. 26 at 6:00 PM.

Rod,

Mick

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[Mick Johannes]

I believe I have attended one meeting when I was first transferred up here...I'm a little removed from delivery now, however, my staff is acutely focused on extending our Agile talent and community involvement so I am promoting the venue to some of my leaders and engaged delivery personnel. 

Mick

[Mick Johannes]

Provide me with what you would like me to order, from where, and I will get it kicked off. 

I am planning to attend barring any conflicts and have forwarded to a couple of my PMs/CSMs as well. 

Mick

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Rod Hunter <rodh...@usfamily.net> wrote:

[RHunter]

Sogeti has offered to sponsor the gathering Thursday, so we be having pizza at 6 PM.  

Thanks Mick!

[Stephen Thompson]

Rod: 

I can't attend as I mentioned before but I just ran across a discussion on LinkedIn
that might provide some fodder for the discussion. 

http://www.linkedin.com/groups/What-is-your-preferred-estimation-37631.S.85475328?view=&srchtype=discussedNews&gid=37631&item=85475328&type=member&trk=eml-anet_dig-b_pd-ttl-cn&ut=3g2NAariHhCR41


Its the Group:  Agile and Lean Software Development.
The discussion thread is entitled: 

What is your preferred estimation technique?

There are 109 comments extending back over a month. 
It appears to be an open discussion.  I was able to access the comments without
logging into LinkedIn. 


Thanks,
Steph T