[OT] New Anti-Terrorism Law makes "hacking" punishable by life in prison
Paul G. Allen
>
> If this passes, everyone working in computer security can be arrested and thrown in prison for life. In addition, people such as Kevin Mitnick can be thrown
> back in prison even though they have already paid for their crime (double jeopardy?).
>
> http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257
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Alan Cox
> > back in prison even though they have already paid for their crime (double jeopardy?).
> >
> > http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257
Cuba is within small boat distance. I thought it was going to be twenty
years before the direction changed, now Im not so sure
Rik van Riel
> If this passes, everyone working in computer security can be
> arrested and thrown in prison for life. In addition, people such
> as Kevin Mitnick can be thrown back in prison even though they
> have already paid for their crime (double jeopardy?).
>
> http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257
So, would anybody have a nice piece of real estate in the
free world where silicon valley could be evacuated to ?
(time to find volunteers to maintain thefreeworld.net ?)
cheers,
Rik
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Michael Rothwell
> Cuba is within small boat distance. I thought it was going to be twenty
> years before the direction changed, now Im not so sure
My economics prefessor liked to say that the best test of a
socioeconomic system (vs. otehr systems) was the "Gates Test" -- open
the gates and see which way people run.
It will be interesting to see how the "land of the free" will treat its
own citizens in the next year or so.
Alan, how are things in the U.K. shaping up because of the WTC/Pentagon
events?
I wonder if I could be put in jail next week because of all that stupid
cuecat stuff I was involved in?
Dan Hollis
> I wonder if I could be put in jail next week because of all that stupid
> cuecat stuff I was involved in?
The "WEP crack" fallout will be interesting to watch also.
In theory under the new law anyone whos computer was infected by
nimda/codered could be imprisoned for life -- the new law says nothing
about intent. So basically we would have a few million microsoft windows
users serving life sentences...
-Dan
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Jeff V. Merkey
When people are crashing planes into buildings and killing people
by the thousands, hacking laws should be tough. The US has shut off
internet access from Cyprus and several other places, and I've
noticed a fall-off of hacking on my servers -- GOOD!.
Maureen O'Gara at Client Server News is based in NY, and from what she
describes, the entire city is in a terrible state. Let anyone in New
York know who is our friend on this list that the Utah Native American
Church has sent James Mooney to New York City to conduct ceremonies for
the victims and their families. The mayor's office has given us
permission to conduct our ceremonies there for these people without
fear of police harassment.
I am sending him enough peyote to trip out half the city. Anyone in NY
who needs to find healing who is a member of our linux "Family" is
welcome at these ceremonies. These people involved in this terrifying
ordeal need to sit in a tepee and go somewhere else for a couple of days
with the sacred medicine.
New York folks who wish to be involved in these ceremonies can call
212-755-0968 or 212-929-9396 to find out where and when. We have so far
hosted thousands of the victims in these ceremonies. All are welcome and
their families. The laws in New York allow non-Indians to use peyote
for religious purposes of any race, unlike Utah. Tell our brothers we
open our doors to those in need of spiritual and emotional healing for
the people of New York.
These ceremonies are **FREE**. The Utah NAC is picking up the tab.
Do-na-da Go-hv-e
Wa-do
Jeff
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Paul G. Allen wrote:
>
> > If this passes, everyone working in computer security can be
> > arrested and thrown in prison for life. In addition, people such
> > as Kevin Mitnick can be thrown back in prison even though they
> > have already paid for their crime (double jeopardy?).
> >
> > http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257
>
> So, would anybody have a nice piece of real estate in the
> free world where silicon valley could be evacuated to ?
>
> (time to find volunteers to maintain thefreeworld.net ?)
>
> cheers,
>
> Rik
> --
> IA64: a worthy successor to the i860.
>
> http://www.surriel.com/
> http://www.conectiva.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/
>
David S. Miller
E-fucking-nough people. Stop this thread now, it is off topic.
There are many places out there where constructive conversations on
this topic can be had, but vger is not one of them.
Please don't make Matti and I add more keyword filters to vger's list
system to prevent this.
Franks a lot,
David S. Miller
da...@redhat.com
Crutcher Dunnavant
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 08:37:11PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote:
>
> When people are crashing planes into buildings and killing people
> by the thousands, hacking laws should be tough. The US has shut off
> internet access from Cyprus and several other places, and I've
> noticed a fall-off of hacking on my servers -- GOOD!.
Why? In what way has the recent violent acts differed significantly from
acts which have been ongoing world-wide for, well, always? Is it that
"it doesn't happen here!"? This is an increadibly US centric world view.
When the world seems to be at peace, it is easy to ask for your rights.
It is when the war comes to you that you really need them, and that they
are hardest to request.
This was a violent crime, commited by men who were willing to die. It
was a failure of physical security; and massive databases will not make
it harder for someone who is willing to sacrifice themselves.
But they will affect the ability of the population to conduct acts of
civil disobediance and rebellion, upon which this and many other
contries are founded.
The war in the world is not new, we are simply used to ignoring it. And
for this, we are widely hated and scorned.
I will not grant the statement that "This sort of thing must be
prevented at all costs". There are some prices I will not pay, and some
that I will immediately distrust anyone who asks me to pay them.
I know that I am not making friends with this post, but my conscience
demands that I respond to your blind aquescense of rights. I want a
world in which my children can choose their life, even if the cost is
a reduction in 'security'.
Mr. Franklin had much to say on this topic, but he said it better.
And the term is 'cracking'.
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Rik van Riel
> When people are crashing planes into buildings and killing people
> by the thousands, hacking laws should be tough.
I guess people who believe terrorists will be deterred
by software licenses and laws about computer programs
probably have the politicians they deserve.
cheers,
Rik
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Luigi Genoni
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > If this passes, everyone working in computer security can be arrested and thrown in prison for life. In addition, people such as Kevin Mitnick can be thrown
> > > back in prison even though they have already paid for their crime (double jeopardy?).
> > >
> > > http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257
>
> Cuba is within small boat distance. I thought it was going to be twenty
> years before the direction changed, now Im not so sure
> -
I have been told of people covering this destance by swin, I do not know
if it is true, but a seawolf told me that from USA to cuba should
be easier to go. :).
I was thinking to Richelieau princip:
Fare una legge e non farla rispettare significa
autorizzare il contrario.
(sorry, unable to translate in english, it is something like if you say a
law, and you are not
forcing people to respect it, people are allowed by law to do the
countrary).
Do you think Americans are considering this moral aspect?
Luigi