Problem with a Python module

Julian

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May 11, 2026, 11:38:37 AMMay 11

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Hey. I'm using Ml4kids in school rn and I've run into a problem with the ydf-module required to run the ml4kids code in my python code. The problem is that whatever I do, I can't download and install the module. What should I do since nothing I tried works

Dale Lane

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May 11, 2026, 11:39:38 AMMay 11

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Can you share what operating system and what version of Python you are using, please?

Kind regards

D

Julian Jürgens

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May 12, 2026, 3:27:09 PMMay 12

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Hi im using Python 3.16.4 and the os is macOS Tahoe 26.4

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Dale Lane

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May 12, 2026, 3:58:03 PMMay 12

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There are a lot of Python packages that don't yet have support for 3.16. This is not unusual, and is often the case - this is especially true for ML packages.

Looking at https://pypi.org/project/ydf/0.12.0/#files there are only builds available for Python 3.8, 3.9, 3.10, 3.11, 3.12, 3.13

(assuming you have an ARM64 Mac)

(If none of those work for you, you could try a newer version of ydf - if you updated from 0.12.0 to the latest 0.16.1 there are more MacOS builds available but still only up to Python 3.13)

Personally I use homebrew to manage multiple different Python installs on my Mac, and keep 3.11 3.12 and 3.13 around as that means I'm covered for more or less anything.

Kind regards

D

Julian

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May 12, 2026, 4:23:37 PMMay 12

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hi i am using python 3.16.4 and the os is macOS Tahoe 26.4 but I also ted downloading the module on python 3.9,3.10 and 3.11

Dale Lane

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May 12, 2026, 4:27:09 PMMay 12

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Do you mind sharing what happens when you tried, please?

For example, this is what happened for me:

dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 ~ % cd /tmp
dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 /tmp % mkdir quick-test
dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 /tmp % cd quick-test
dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 quick-test % python3.11 -mvenv venv
dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 quick-test % source venv/bin/activate
(venv) dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 quick-test % pip install ydf
Collecting ydf
Downloading ydf-0.16.1-cp311-cp311-macosx_12_0_arm64.whl.metadata (3.8 kB)
Collecting numpy (from ydf)
Downloading numpy-2.4.4-cp311-cp311-macosx_14_0_arm64.whl.metadata (6.6 kB)
Collecting absl_py (from ydf)
Using cached absl_py-2.4.0-py3-none-any.whl.metadata (3.3 kB)
Collecting protobuf<8.0.0,>=6.31.1 (from ydf)
Using cached protobuf-7.34.1-cp310-abi3-macosx_10_9_universal2.whl.metadata (595 bytes)
Downloading ydf-0.16.1-cp311-cp311-macosx_12_0_arm64.whl (8.2 MB)
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ 8.2/8.2 MB 221.8 kB/s eta 0:00:00
Using cached protobuf-7.34.1-cp310-abi3-macosx_10_9_universal2.whl (429 kB)
Using cached absl_py-2.4.0-py3-none-any.whl (135 kB)
Downloading numpy-2.4.4-cp311-cp311-macosx_14_0_arm64.whl (5.5 MB)
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ 5.5/5.5 MB 202.1 kB/s eta 0:00:00
Installing collected packages: protobuf, numpy, absl_py, ydf
Successfully installed absl_py-2.4.0 numpy-2.4.4 protobuf-7.34.1 ydf-0.16.1

[notice] A new release of pip is available: 25.0.1 -> 26.1.1
[notice] To update, run: pip install --upgrade pip
(venv) dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 quick-test %

Julian

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May 13, 2026, 3:15:50 AMMay 13

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this is what happens when I try it:

error: externally-managed-environment

× This environment is externally managed

╰─> To install Python packages system-wide, try brew install

xyz, where xyz is the package you are trying to

install.

If you wish to install a Python library that isn't in Homebrew,

use a virtual environment:

python3 -m venv path/to/venv

source path/to/venv/bin/activate

python3 -m pip install xyz

If you wish to install a Python application that isn't in Homebrew,

it may be easiest to use 'pipx install xyz', which will manage a

virtual environment for you. You can install pipx with

brew install pipx

You may restore the old behavior of pip by passing

the '--break-system-packages' flag to pip, or by adding

'break-system-packages = true' to your pip.conf file. The latter

will permanently disable this error.

If you disable this error, we STRONGLY recommend that you additionally

pass the '--user' flag to pip, or set 'user = true' in your pip.conf

file. Failure to do this can result in a broken Homebrew installation.

Read more about this behavior here: <https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/>

note: If you believe this is a mistake, please contact your Python installation or OS distribution provider. You can override this, at the risk of breaking your Python installation or OS, by passing --break-system-packages.

hint: See PEP 668 for the detailed specification.

and when I try using home-brew it tells me that home-brew doesn't know the ydf package

Dale Lane

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May 13, 2026, 3:17:32 AMMay 13

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That error message is telling you what the issue is (that you can't install packages into the global space) and is giving you the solution:

If you wish to install a Python library that isn't in Homebrew,

use a virtual environment:

python3 -m venv path/to/venv

source path/to/venv/bin/activate

python3 -m pip install xyz

replace "xyz" with ydf, and that's basically it.

If you also look above at the commands that I showed you, you'll see that I essentially did that too.

Kind regards

D

Julian

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May 13, 2026, 10:53:05 AMMay 13

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hey I now tried it like you said but it still gives me error messages and tells me to upgrade pip but im already o. the latest pip version

This is what it tells me now:

ERROR: Ignored the following yanked versions: 0.0.0

ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement ydf (from versions: none)

[notice] A new release of pip is available: 26.1 -> 26.1.1

[notice] To update, run: pip install --upgrade pip

ERROR: No matching distribution found for ydf

Dale Lane

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May 13, 2026, 10:53:39 AMMay 13

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Could you show me a little more context, please? It's hard to know what the problem is without seeing what command you ran first.

Julian

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May 13, 2026, 12:14:01 PMMay 13

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this is everything I see in my terminal:

julian ~ % python3 -m venv path/to/venv

julian~ % source path/to/venv/bin/activate

(venv) julian ~ % python3 -m pip install ydf

WARNING: Cache entry deserialization failed, entry ignored

ERROR: Ignored the following yanked versions: 0.0.0

ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement ydf (from versions: none)

[notice] A new release of pip is available: 26.1 -> 26.1.1

[notice] To update, run: pip install --upgrade pip

ERROR: No matching distribution found for ydf

(venv) julian ~ %

(I just deleted the:" my name" @ MacBook......)

Dale Lane

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May 13, 2026, 12:26:02 PMMay 13

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As we discussed above, the key factor here is likely to be the Python version - and I can't tell what version of Python you've got "python3" aliased to.

Can you share the output of this command, please? (after sourcing the activate script for your venv)

python --version && pip debug --verbose

Kind regards

D

PS - one small observation - while "path/to/venv" will technically work, it's unusual to do that.

That is included in the error message as a way of describing to you that you give it the path to the venv folder, rather than being a literal location you should use.
Running it like that means you're creating a folder called "path", and inside that a subfolder called "to", and inside that, the "venv" folder

Julian

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May 14, 2026, 4:07:07 AMMay 14

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Hi, this is the entire output that I get:

Python 3.14.4

WARNING: This command is only meant for debugging. Do not use this with automation for parsing and getting these details, since the output and options of this command may change without notice.

pip version: pip 26.1 from /Users/julian/path/to/venv/lib/python3.14/site-packages/pip (python 3.14)

sys.version: 3.14.4 (main, Apr 7 2026, 13:13:20) [Clang 21.0.0 (clang-2100.0.123.102)]

sys.executable: /Users/julian/path/to/venv/bin/python3.14

sys.getdefaultencoding: utf-8

sys.getfilesystemencoding: utf-8

locale.getpreferredencoding: UTF-8

sys.platform: darwin

sys.implementation:

name: cpython

'cert' config value: global

REQUESTS_CA_BUNDLE: None

CURL_CA_BUNDLE: None

pip._vendor.certifi.where(): /Users/julian/path/to/venv/lib/python3.14/site-packages/pip/_vendor/certifi/cacert.pem

pip._vendor.DEBUNDLED: False

vendored library versions:

CacheControl==0.14.4 (Unable to locate actual module version, using vendor.txt specified version)

distlib==0.4.0

distro==1.9.0

msgpack==1.1.2

packaging==26.2

platformdirs==4.5.1

pyproject-hooks==1.2.0

requests==2.33.1

certifi==2026.02.25

idna==3.11

urllib3==2.6.3

rich==14.2.0 (Unable to locate actual module version, using vendor.txt specified version)

pygments==2.19.2

resolvelib==1.2.1

setuptools==70.3.0 (Unable to locate actual module version, using vendor.txt specified version)

tomli==2.3.1

tomli-w==1.2.0

truststore==0.10.4

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Dale Lane

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May 14, 2026, 4:11:26 AMMay 14

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As we discussed above, there are no builds of ydf available for Python 3.14 - which the output you've shared here shows you are using.

I recommend trying a version of Python that ydf is available for, as I showed above.

Kind regards

D

Julian

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May 14, 2026, 9:48:38 AMMay 14

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Hi, I just switched to python version 3.12 but I still get the same error message. Could it possibly be my Mac that the module/package isn't compatible with my Mac?

regards

julian

Dale Lane

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May 14, 2026, 9:50:16 AMMay 14

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If you give me the information asked for above, I could answer that question for you.

To recap: I'm referring to the full and uncropped output from your attempt to do the install, as well as the output for python --version && pip debug --verbose

(The output for both of these will be different from what you've shared before, after you switch to 3.12)

Kind regards

D

Julian

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May 14, 2026, 5:51:54 PMMay 14

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here is all the output after the attempt to install and python --version &&
pip debug --verbose:
I only deleted the name@ etc
regards

Julian ~ % python3 -m venv path/to/venv

julian ~ % source path/to/venv/bin/activate

(venv) Julian ~ % python3 -m pip install ydf

ERROR: Ignored the following yanked versions: 0.0.0

ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement ydf (from
versions: none)

*[*notice*]* A new release of pip is available: 26.1 -> 26.1.1

*[*notice*]* To update, run: pip install --upgrade pip

ERROR: No matching distribution found for ydf

(venv) ~ % python --version && pip debug --verbose

Dale Lane schrieb am Donnerstag, 14. Mai 2026 um 15:50:16 UTC+2:

> If you give me the information asked for above, I could answer that
> question for you.
>
> To recap: I'm referring to the full and uncropped output from your attempt

> to do the install, as well as the output for *python --version && pip
> debug --verbose*

>
> (The output for both of these will be different from what you've shared
> before, after you switch to 3.12)
>
> Kind regards
>
> D
>
> On Thursday, May 14, 2026 at 2:48:38 PM UTC+1 Julian wrote:
>
>> Hi, I just switched to python version 3.12 but I still get the same error
>> message. Could it possibly be my Mac that the module/package isn't
>> compatible with my Mac?
>> regards
>> julian
>>
>> Dale Lane schrieb am Donnerstag, 14. Mai 2026 um 10:11:26 UTC+2:
>>
>>> As we discussed above

>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/mlforkids/c/ZvuxCI6BlSE/m/QnL9D8RrAQAJ>,

>>> there are no builds of ydf available for Python 3.14 - which the output
>>> you've shared here shows you are using.
>>>
>>> I recommend trying a version of Python that ydf is available for, as I
>>> showed above

>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/mlforkids/c/ZvuxCI6BlSE/m/SBQLnVptAQAJ>.

>>>>> Can you share the output of this command, please? (*after* sourcing

>>>>> the activate script for your venv)

>>>>> *python --version && pip debug --verbose*

>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> D
>>>>>
>>>>> PS - one small observation - while "path/to/venv" will technically
>>>>> work, it's unusual to do that.
>>>>> That is included in the error message as a way of describing to you
>>>>> that you give it the path to the venv folder, rather than being a literal
>>>>> location you should use.
>>>>> Running it like that means you're creating a folder called "path", and
>>>>> inside that a subfolder called "to", and inside that, the "venv" folder
>>>>> [image: folder-screenshot.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 13, 2026 at 5:14:01 PM UTC+1 Julian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> this is everything I see in my terminal:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> julian ~ % python3 -m venv path/to/venv
>>>>>>
>>>>>> julian~ % source path/to/venv/bin/activate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (venv) julian ~ % python3 -m pip install ydf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WARNING: Cache entry deserialization failed, entry ignored
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ERROR: Ignored the following yanked versions: 0.0.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement ydf
>>>>>> (from versions: none)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> *[*notice*]* A new release of pip is available: 26.1 -> 26.1.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *[*notice*]* To update, run: pip install --upgrade pip

>>>>>>
>>>>>> ERROR: No matching distribution found for ydf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (venv) julian ~ %
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I just deleted the:" my name" @ MacBook......)
>>>>>> Dale Lane schrieb am Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2026 um 16:53:39 UTC+2:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you show me a little more context, please? It's hard to know
>>>>>>> what the problem is without seeing what command you ran first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 13, 2026 at 3:53:05 PM UTC+1 Julian wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hey I now tried it like you said but it still gives me error
>>>>>>>> messages and tells me to upgrade pip but im already o. the latest pip
>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>> This is what it tells me now:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ERROR: Ignored the following yanked versions: 0.0.0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement ydf
>>>>>>>> (from versions: none)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> *[*notice*]* A new release of pip is available: 26.1 -> 26.1.1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *[*notice*]* To update, run: pip install --upgrade pip

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ERROR: No matching distribution found for ydf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dale Lane schrieb am Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2026 um 09:17:32 UTC+2:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That error message is telling you what the issue is (that you
>>>>>>>>> can't install packages into the global space) and is giving you the
>>>>>>>>> solution:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you wish to install a Python library that isn't in Homebrew,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> use a virtual environment:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> python3 -m venv path/to/venv
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> source path/to/venv/bin/activate
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> python3 -m pip install xyz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> replace "xyz" with ydf, and that's basically it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you also look above at the commands that I showed you, you'll
>>>>>>>>> see that I essentially did that too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> D
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 13, 2026 at 8:15:50 AM UTC+1 Julian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this is what happens when I try it:
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> *error*: *externally-managed-environment*

>>>>>>>>>> *note*: If you believe this is a mistake, please contact your

>>>>>>>>>> Python installation or OS distribution provider. You can override this, at
>>>>>>>>>> the risk of breaking your Python installation or OS, by passing
>>>>>>>>>> --break-system-packages.
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> *hint*: See PEP 668 for the detailed specification.

>>>>>>>>>> and when I try using home-brew it tells me that home-brew
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't know the ydf package
>>>>>>>>>> Dale Lane schrieb am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2026 um 22:27:09 UTC+2:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you mind sharing what happens when you tried, please?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For example, this is what happened for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 ~ % *cd /tmp*
>>>>>>>>>>> dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 /tmp % *mkdir quick-test*
>>>>>>>>>>> dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 /tmp % *cd quick-test*
>>>>>>>>>>> dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 quick-test % *python3.11 -mvenv
>>>>>>>>>>> venv*
>>>>>>>>>>> dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 quick-test % *source
>>>>>>>>>>> venv/bin/activate*
>>>>>>>>>>> (venv) dalelane@Dales-MacBook-Pro-2 quick-test % *pip install
>>>>>>>>>>> ydf*

Dale Lane

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May 14, 2026, 5:56:37 PMMay 14

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You're still using Python 3.14 - that's why the output from python --version is 3.14.4

The reason ydf isn't installing is still as explained above - it is not available for such new versions of Python, you need to use one of the versions I listed above.

Kind regards

D

Julian

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May 15, 2026, 3:07:43 PMMay 15

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hey just a quick update.

I made it. I completely wiped my Mac from every python I got on it and installed 3.12 now it works fine and I got ydf installed

Thank you for your help and im sorry for all the trouble I have made you

Regards,

Julian

Dale Lane

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May 17, 2026, 6:13:35 AMMay 17

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That's great news - thanks for letting me know

Kind regards

D

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