freebsd list admins?
Robert Simmons
be a few email addresses that are subscribed to these lists that keep spamming
it periodically, or in the case of freebsd-security actually don't exist and
have a broken mailserver that sends a reponse back to the list. The addresses
don't seem to be changing, so would it not be easy for an admin to remove
those addresses from the list?
I've tried sending emails to postm...@freebsd.org about it, but I get no
response, so I figure I'm barking up the wrong tree there.
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Simon Olofsson
> Who is the admin for freebsd-quesitons and freebsd-security?
http://www.freebsd.org/administration.html#t-postmaster
Simon
Odhiambo Washington
> Who is the admin for freebsd-quesitons and freebsd-security? There seems
> to
> be a few email addresses that are subscribed to these lists that keep
> spamming
> it periodically, or in the case of freebsd-security actually don't exist
> and
> have a broken mailserver that sends a reponse back to the list. The
> addresses
> don't seem to be changing, so would it not be easy for an admin to remove
>
>
Most, if not all, lists are managed by moderators at
freebsd.org<freebsd-que...@freebsd.org>
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Robert Simmons articulated:
> Who is the admin for freebsd-quesitons and freebsd-security? There
> seems to be a few email addresses that are subscribed to these lists
> that keep spamming it periodically, or in the case of
> freebsd-security actually don't exist and have a broken mailserver
> that sends a reponse back to the list. The addresses don't seem to
> be changing, so would it not be easy for an admin to remove those
> addresses from the list?
>
> I've tried sending emails to postm...@freebsd.org about it, but I
> get no response, so I figure I'm barking up the wrong tree there.
You have voiced a concern that has been voiced here several times in
the past. Unfortunately, this is an "open" list; ie, anyone subscribed
or not can post. This leads to the inevitable problems that plague this
forum. I have tried contacting the "postmaster" in the past also.
Personally, I think it would be easier to contact Jimmy Hoffa(1).
Occasionally you will see some reference to "moderators", but then
again, I have never witnessed any actual intervention on their part. Of
course, I have also seen references to Santa Clause and the Easter
Bunny although I have never personally witnessed either of them.
Now, if this forum were conducted under the same restraints that the
Postfix forums(2) adhere to, the quality of advice given and basic
overall quality of this forum would increase immeasurably.
It is my personal view that FreeBSD-Questions should be consolidated
into the chat forum. Chat forums are rarely moderated and tend to be
open to the general public. The "Questions" forum has deteriorated to
the level of SlashDot which has deteriorated to the level of a
cesspool. At least SlashDot openly admits that they allow (encourage)
"Anonymous Coward" to post.
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa
(2) http://www.postfix.org/lists.html
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Robert Simmons
> You have voiced a concern that has been voiced here several times in
> the past. Unfortunately, this is an "open" list; ie, anyone subscribed
> or not can post. This leads to the inevitable problems that plague this
> forum. I have tried contacting the "postmaster" in the past also.
Understood. Perhaps a mention that this list is open somewhere in the list's
charter in the Handbook will at least let people know that junk on the list is
something that can't be fixed.
> It is my personal view that FreeBSD-Questions should be consolidated
> into the chat forum. Chat forums are rarely moderated and tend to be
> open to the general public. The "Questions" forum has deteriorated to
> the level of SlashDot which has deteriorated to the level of a
> cesspool. At least SlashDot openly admits that they allow (encourage)
> "Anonymous Coward" to post.
Meh.
Julian H. Stacey
> Robert Simmons articulated:
> > There
> > seems to be a few email addresses that are subscribed to these lists
> > that keep spamming it periodically,
je...@seibercom.net wrote:
> Now, if this forum were conducted under the same restraints that the
> Postfix forums(2) adhere to, the quality of advice given and basic
> overall quality of this forum would increase immeasurably.
The history of address <ques...@freebsd.org> explains why we are here:
questions@ list introduced to provide stuck newbies a lifeline.
(Advertised from /etc/motd after a new install. )
Created long after more lists such as hackers@ &
current@ & some other list, But still created years ago now.
Many old guard didn't subscribe questions@ many years, 'cos
just newbie questions, too boring, no time etc.
A few experienced conscientious people did sub. questions@ though
& did lots of good working helping people.
Years later, what was once a list for mostly simple newbies has
become a lot more skilled
(I was suprised when I re-sub'd after absence of years, a
notable difference; Maybe people presumably learnt FreeBSD,
but failed to move on to hackers@ & current@, & usb@ etc,
is probably down to individual inertia).
The traffic on questions@ has now become very heavy.
Traffic too heavy in fact, & a mess of themes,
Some traffic would be better posted to hackers@ or
current@ or other more specialist lists
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo
Posting less to questions@ & more to other lists would help:
Some traffic deserves a wider, &/or more specialist
readership on other lists;
Some Subjects some don't need.
Newbies questions could be clearer visible as still
pending an answer, not drowned among a morass of
more technical threads.
> It is my personal view that FreeBSD-Questions should be consolidated
> into the chat forum. Chat forums are rarely moderated and tend to be
> open to the general public. The "Questions" forum has deteriorated to
> the level of SlashDot which has deteriorated to the level of a
> cesspool. At least SlashDot openly admits that they allow (encourage)
> "Anonymous Coward" to post.
I'm against merging chat@ & questions@, & don't believe it will happen
Lists for different purposes, but even if questions@ people
might come to a consensus in favour of merging, lots of
people on other lists have a use for a seperate chat@, ie
to demand of off remit people on their other lists "Take
it to chat@"
I think we should:
make questions@ list writable only to subscribers (if not already); &
Edit /usr/src/etc/motd eg:
OLD If you still have a question or problem, please take the output of
OLD `uname -a', along with any relevant error messages, and email it
OLD as a question to the ques...@FreeBSD.org mailing list.
NEW If you still have a question or problem, please subscribe (free) via
NEW http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/subscribe/freebsd-questions
NEW then email <ques...@FreeBSD.org>
Should we send in a send-pr to edit src/etc/motd ?
Cheers,
Julian
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Robert Simmons
> I'm against merging chat@ & questions@, & don't believe it will happen
> Lists for different purposes, but even if questions@ people
> might come to a consensus in favour of merging, lots of
> people on other lists have a use for a seperate chat@, ie
> to demand of off remit people on their other lists "Take
> it to chat@"
>
> I think we should:
> make questions@ list writable only to subscribers (if not already); &
> Edit /usr/src/etc/motd eg:
> OLD If you still have a question or problem, please take the output of
> OLD `uname -a', along with any relevant error messages, and email it
> OLD as a question to the ques...@FreeBSD.org mailing list.
>
> NEW If you still have a question or problem, please subscribe (free) via
> NEW http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/subscribe/freebsd-questions
> NEW then email <ques...@FreeBSD.org>
>
> Should we send in a send-pr to edit src/etc/motd ?
PR it. Sounds good.
Robert Simmons
> The traffic on questions@ has now become very heavy.
>
> Traffic too heavy in fact, & a mess of themes,
> Some traffic would be better posted to hackers@ or
> current@ or other more specialist lists
Also, one place that is lower traffic, nearly spam free, and has consistently
decent answers is USENET comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc and it's not even official.
However, I would assume this is due to the fact that September has permanently
ended and will never return to USENET, so only serious users can be found
lurking there.
Warren Block
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 06:03:23 PM Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>> The traffic on questions@ has now become very heavy.
>>
>> Traffic too heavy in fact, & a mess of themes,
>> Some traffic would be better posted to hackers@ or
>> current@ or other more specialist lists
>
> Also, one place that is lower traffic, nearly spam free, and has consistently
> decent answers is USENET comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc and it's not even official.
> However, I would assume this is due to the fact that September has permanently
> ended and will never return to USENET, so only serious users can be found
> lurking there.
forums.freebsd.org doesn't require a news server and is far more active.
Frank Bonnet
hello
If anyone knows some free USENET servers I would be happy to know it
in France it becomes VERY hard to find one and I would like to setup one
BUT I need some feeders !
I don't care about alt.* but we need the big 8
*comp.* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comp.*_hierarchy>*
*humanities.*
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Humanities.*_hierarchy&action=edit&redlink=1>*
*misc.*
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Misc.*_hierarchy&action=edit&redlink=1>*
*news.*
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=News.*_hierarchy&action=edit&redlink=1>*
*rec.*
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rec.*_hierarchy&action=edit&redlink=1>*
*sci.* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci.*_hierarchy>**
soc.*
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soc.*_hierarchy&action=edit&redlink=1>*
*talk.*
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk.*_hierarchy&action=edit&redlink=1>*
Thanks and sorry for that offlist question ...
Sabine Baer
On 22.06.2011, at 09:00, Frank Bonnet wrote:
>
>
> If anyone knows some free USENET servers I would be happy to know it
> in France it becomes VERY hard to find one and I would like to setup
> one
> BUT I need some feeders !
> I don't care about alt.* but we need the big 8
[...]
Not absolutely 'free', but a very well maintained one:
news.individual.de
It's the newsserver of the Freie Universitaet (Free University) Berlin
It costs 10,00 EUR per annum.
Those are private and free and of good reputation:
http://www.albasani.net/index.html.en
http://news.solani.org/policy/
> Thanks and sorry for that offlist question ...
If the death of usenet could be delayed...
Sabine
Robert Bonomi
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:00:01 +0200
> From: Frank Bonnet <f.bo...@esiee.fr>
> To: freebsd-...@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: freebsd list admins?
>
> hello
>
> If anyone knows some free USENET servers I would be happy to know it in
> France it becomes VERY hard to find one and I would like to setup one BUT
> I need some feeders ! I don't care about alt.* but we need the big 8
There are a number of free servers. aioe.org is one.
There are several _better_ ones at very nominal cost.
e.g. news.individual.net at, I, think, 10 Euro per year.
There is also Astraweb -- see <http://www.news.astraweb.com> -- who charges
US$10 for 25gb of data. or US$25 for 180 gigs. The account expires _only_
when you use up the download allocation. *NO* time limit.
I know people that have had the $10 account for _years_, follow only a handful
of groups, and skip over a lot of the articles in the group. They've
hardly made a dent in their 25 gig allotment. between 100 and 200 megs
in like four years. They figure their $10 will last 'close to a lifetime'.
<grin>
a 'pay' server is almost always better than a free one. Its usually easier
to get a response if there's a problem.
Astraweb is one of the best of the 'very low cost' servers.
Julian H. Stacey
>
> PR it. Sounds good.
Thanks. Done. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=158238
Now it'll need a commiter.
Cheers,
Julian
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Randy Pratt
"Julian H. Stacey" <j...@berklix.com> wrote:
> Hi questions@
>
> > Robert Simmons articulated:
> > > There
> > > seems to be a few email addresses that are subscribed to these lists
> > > that keep spamming it periodically,
<snip>
> I think we should:
> make questions@ list writable only to subscribers (if not already); &
> Edit /usr/src/etc/motd eg:
> OLD If you still have a question or problem, please take the output of
> OLD `uname -a', along with any relevant error messages, and email it
> OLD as a question to the ques...@FreeBSD.org mailing list.
I don't think making a list writable only to subscribers solves
anything since it seems the spammers are already subscribed. This only
makes it difficult for others like myself who read the lists online and
only post occasionally.
Just my 0.02.
Randy
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original posters).
C. P. Ghost
> It is my personal view that FreeBSD-Questions should be consolidated
> into the chat forum. Chat forums are rarely moderated and tend to be
> open to the general public.
Some of us have workflows that favor e-mail over those newfangled web
forums for reasons well beyond this thread. Please leave questions@
as it is. It is good enough, IMHO, and one of the better communities
out there in terms of technical knowledge and friendliness w.r.t. all
sorts of questions.
Oh, and as to many users not posting in a more focused manner
to -stable@, -current@, -hackers@ etc..., the reason is quite simple:
many issues are common to all branches, and there isn't a -common@
mailing list to address them. So questions@ is a pretty good catch-all
for those general questions, and not just for newbies.
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Robert Simmons
> I don't think making a list writable only to subscribers solves
> anything since it seems the spammers are already subscribed. This only
> makes it difficult for others like myself who read the lists online and
> only post occasionally.
Making it writable to subscribers only in-and-of-itself does not solve the
problem, but it is one of two things together that will fix the repeated
spammer problem. The second is removing and banning offenders. Without making
the list subscriber only there is no way to get rid of spammers. Additionally,
for your situation, you can filter everything from the list to /dev/null.
Randy Pratt
Robert Simmons <rsim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2011 08:10:29 PM Randy Pratt wrote:
> > I don't think making a list writable only to subscribers solves
> > anything since it seems the spammers are already subscribed. This only
> > makes it difficult for others like myself who read the lists online and
> > only post occasionally.
>
> Making it writable to subscribers only in-and-of-itself does not solve the
> problem, but it is one of two things together that will fix the repeated
> spammer problem. The second is removing and banning offenders. Without making
> the list subscriber only there is no way to get rid of spammers. Additionally,
> for your situation, you can filter everything from the list to /dev/null.
I've been reading these lists for over 13 years, seen this discussion
many times, and the list remained open. There were reasons for that
which are in the archives if you're interested.
I'm no longer an active committer so whatever @core decides is fine
with me. I, however, would prefer to see it remain open.
I'm done with this potentially endless discussion.
Randy