Double Exposure "Not Multiple exposures" 5D mk II
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SaybianTV
Apr 23, 2012, 11:42:24 PM4/23/12
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I keep searching the net trying to find a thread that clearly states
no it can't be done or no it's not a priority.
I work in visual effects all day, the idea of shooting all day and
coming home to composite double exposures sucks so much life out of me
it's why I've never done it.
I use to love double and triple exposure's, playing with flash on one
and blury long's on the other. I don't care if it only works in jpeg
mode I can understand why it might bake the camera to do it in raw.
But I've seen now ther MkIII has it and that really burns me, it's one
of the few things I really miss about film and playing with
photography as abstract art. I'd sell my kidneys for an infrared
picture style but I know theres no such thing, so i kneel and I pray
to the Lords of the Hack that's gone Pro.
Is it possible, plausible? staying in camera and off the desktop means
the world to me, I still use my digital like it only has 24 frames to
a roll and try never to snappy snapp.
I hope i'm not repeating a dead subject I just can't find anything
without it leading to another bracketing hdr thread.
no it can't be done or no it's not a priority.
I work in visual effects all day, the idea of shooting all day and
coming home to composite double exposures sucks so much life out of me
it's why I've never done it.
I use to love double and triple exposure's, playing with flash on one
and blury long's on the other. I don't care if it only works in jpeg
mode I can understand why it might bake the camera to do it in raw.
But I've seen now ther MkIII has it and that really burns me, it's one
of the few things I really miss about film and playing with
photography as abstract art. I'd sell my kidneys for an infrared
picture style but I know theres no such thing, so i kneel and I pray
to the Lords of the Hack that's gone Pro.
Is it possible, plausible? staying in camera and off the desktop means
the world to me, I still use my digital like it only has 24 frames to
a roll and try never to snappy snapp.
I hope i'm not repeating a dead subject I just can't find anything
without it leading to another bracketing hdr thread.
KB Photo
Apr 23, 2012, 11:53:05 PM4/23/12
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I get you - I have been asking how the multi exposure works - being more a photographer than film maker it is the one feature I am most interested in on the MIII. Still hoping to see some results or feedback from the early adopters. I also don't want to spend my time HDR'ing - and lightroom 4 is supposed to help reduce the need for it - but again - not an early adopter.
Love your infrared quote too. I have a Canon 690 with no sensors and bought 100 roles from B&H when Rochester was imploded. Been in the freezer ever since and still have about 87 rolls left. Lightroom and Nik effects are ok - but the film is still the best, period.
Love your infrared quote too. I have a Canon 690 with no sensors and bought 100 roles from B&H when Rochester was imploded. Been in the freezer ever since and still have about 87 rolls left. Lightroom and Nik effects are ok - but the film is still the best, period.
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3pointedit
Apr 24, 2012, 1:03:06 AM4/24/12
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Sure but you have to buy a Pentax ;)
The Pentax K-x's Multiple Exposure feature allows you to combine 2 to
9 images into a single image as they are being captured. If shooting
in Live View mode, the previous image(s) are shown as a semi-
transparent overlay on the live view image, as an aid to precise
alignment of subsequent images.
It's a post effect in camera I guess similar to what the NR or dark
frame subtraction is doing in the canon cameras. I seriously doubt
that this could be engineered into ML (unless you can hack the NR
tool).
The Pentax K-x's Multiple Exposure feature allows you to combine 2 to
9 images into a single image as they are being captured. If shooting
in Live View mode, the previous image(s) are shown as a semi-
transparent overlay on the live view image, as an aid to precise
alignment of subsequent images.
It's a post effect in camera I guess similar to what the NR or dark
frame subtraction is doing in the canon cameras. I seriously doubt
that this could be engineered into ML (unless you can hack the NR
tool).
unity2k
Apr 24, 2012, 1:25:26 AM4/24/12
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Couldn't something like this be accomplished with ML via LiveVIew / Ghost Image and Play / Set+MainDial / ExposureFusion?
Alex
Apr 24, 2012, 2:07:20 AM4/24/12
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Set+MainDial only does previewing.
On the desktop, you can learn how to use batch processing. Once you
get the grips with this, it's really quick to get the results (sort
the files, run the script, wait a few moments, done).
SaybianTV
Apr 24, 2012, 2:25:16 AM4/24/12
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It's ok if it's not doable, i'm not even thinking of fansy features
like preview or anything, a simply add image to last image and delete
the extra image would do me fine, it simply keeps adding the last
image taking to the first image until i turn off the feature, so
really theres only ever 2 images for a few moments till there smashed
into 1. I make blockbuster movies I do lighting and compositing for a
living. But to shoot something them hold it in my mind and shoot
something else with no help just like the old days, then hit play to
see the result. Well for me that would be a dream. Watever the pentax
is doing is way beyond what I had in mind. It's not about workflow or
anything like that, theres a joy in experimenting with the unknown. If
I added to images together on the computer any peer of mine would
consider it childsplay and not worth looking at because it would be
obvious i could pan the two images into the ideal position and erase
what doesn't line up. It's photo manipulation at that point. I just
want to hold an image in the buffer or on file and keep adding to it
till i say stop, just like in the old days.
But there seems to be a resistance to what I'm saying so I give up, it
just wont be something i'll have the joy of doing ever again, and i'm
not buying a mkIII, installing magic lantern since christmas has
tripled the enjoyment lifespan of the mkII.
like preview or anything, a simply add image to last image and delete
the extra image would do me fine, it simply keeps adding the last
image taking to the first image until i turn off the feature, so
really theres only ever 2 images for a few moments till there smashed
into 1. I make blockbuster movies I do lighting and compositing for a
living. But to shoot something them hold it in my mind and shoot
something else with no help just like the old days, then hit play to
see the result. Well for me that would be a dream. Watever the pentax
is doing is way beyond what I had in mind. It's not about workflow or
anything like that, theres a joy in experimenting with the unknown. If
I added to images together on the computer any peer of mine would
consider it childsplay and not worth looking at because it would be
obvious i could pan the two images into the ideal position and erase
what doesn't line up. It's photo manipulation at that point. I just
want to hold an image in the buffer or on file and keep adding to it
till i say stop, just like in the old days.
But there seems to be a resistance to what I'm saying so I give up, it
just wont be something i'll have the joy of doing ever again, and i'm
not buying a mkIII, installing magic lantern since christmas has
tripled the enjoyment lifespan of the mkII.
Alex
Apr 24, 2012, 2:44:39 AM4/24/12
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Adding two or more images will result in exactly the same thing,
whether if it's done in camera or on the computer. The camera actually
is a computer (of course, not a general-purpose one).
whether if it's done in camera or on the computer. The camera actually
is a computer (of course, not a general-purpose one).
You can already do previews the way you want (only with maybe more clicks).
SaybianTV
Apr 24, 2012, 9:21:46 AM4/24/12
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ok so the answer is no, no in camera "compositing", everyone's saying
no. If theres something i'm ignorant of being able to do in camera
already, i would be gracious to be enlightened on it. Otherwise it's
considered a trivial form of photography that isn't worth the time and
can be done on computer. For some strange reason the mkIII boast's
this as a feature.
I'm not mad just hoping i'm ignorant of the clear reason why not, so I
can stop hoping.
no. If theres something i'm ignorant of being able to do in camera
already, i would be gracious to be enlightened on it. Otherwise it's
considered a trivial form of photography that isn't worth the time and
can be done on computer. For some strange reason the mkIII boast's
this as a feature.
I'm not mad just hoping i'm ignorant of the clear reason why not, so I
can stop hoping.
Dhilung Kirat
Apr 24, 2012, 3:35:22 AM4/24/12
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If
I added to images together on the computer any peer of mine would
consider it childsplay and not worth looking at because it would be
obvious i could pan the two images into the ideal position and erase
what doesn't line up. It's photo manipulation at that point. I just
want to hold an image in the buffer or on file and keep adding to it
till i say stop, just like in the old days.
I can totally understand the joy of the double-exposure, and having a built-in support in ML would be cool and handy. However, when it comes to digital photography, I think, we have to admit that post-processing is really our 'darkroom' work, and these kinds of creativity practiced with on-camera vs. off-camera processing, imho, do not hold much difference in their originality.
-Dhilung
SaybianTV
Apr 24, 2012, 10:31:07 PM4/24/12
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It's fine I'll probably never do double exposure again, yes the
computer is the new digital darkroom but photo manipulation on
computer is no exciting new realm for me. It's a burden as I no longer
do photography professionally but simply for old timer pleasure. Once
there's an undo button all the suspense and care is lost on me, I'll
leave that up to you guys. I spend my days having to pixel f#%! moving
images with hundreds of layers down to the smallest highlight, when I
get down to just doing my own art on a single frame it get's even
worse. It's not what I want to do anymore because I have a trained eye
for everything that's wrong or fake, I want digital to get back to a
medium more like film where you live with what you shot and the most
you can do is frig with the exposure. It's the opposite of todays
trends, i enjoyed the suspense of waiting for the lab to tell me I
shot 8 rolls in soft focus, double exposures where the same. I guess
the question is trivial to you guys when your breaking your backs to
add insane benefits like increased dynamic range, I felt pretty bad
making any request at all with all that's been given to the community.
It's probably the only function i miss really bad and enjoyed very
much, but alas unless a mkIII falls off a truck I won't see that
feature ever again. The mkII will probably last me forever I never
thought Id have a camera like it and for all it's shortcomings in this
digital age for a photographer who's only seen an Ae2 a 20d and an
mkII in the last 20 years Im not that far removed from where I
started.
computer is the new digital darkroom but photo manipulation on
computer is no exciting new realm for me. It's a burden as I no longer
do photography professionally but simply for old timer pleasure. Once
there's an undo button all the suspense and care is lost on me, I'll
leave that up to you guys. I spend my days having to pixel f#%! moving
images with hundreds of layers down to the smallest highlight, when I
get down to just doing my own art on a single frame it get's even
worse. It's not what I want to do anymore because I have a trained eye
for everything that's wrong or fake, I want digital to get back to a
medium more like film where you live with what you shot and the most
you can do is frig with the exposure. It's the opposite of todays
trends, i enjoyed the suspense of waiting for the lab to tell me I
shot 8 rolls in soft focus, double exposures where the same. I guess
the question is trivial to you guys when your breaking your backs to
add insane benefits like increased dynamic range, I felt pretty bad
making any request at all with all that's been given to the community.
It's probably the only function i miss really bad and enjoyed very
much, but alas unless a mkIII falls off a truck I won't see that
feature ever again. The mkII will probably last me forever I never
thought Id have a camera like it and for all it's shortcomings in this
digital age for a photographer who's only seen an Ae2 a 20d and an
mkII in the last 20 years Im not that far removed from where I
started.
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