Re: Bitter Legion Download Torrent
Rivka Licklider
For decades the IVth Legion was the mainstay of the Imperial forces, neither the most prestigious nor most impressive, but an absolutely unrelenting force of compliance that enacted the will of the Emperor. These marines saw themselves as soldiers before all else, and instead of brazen assaults or vainglorious defenses they perfected a highly regimented, extremely reliable form of war. When they were reunited with their Primarch this dogged professionalism was honed into a grim brutality, at the cost of a decimation of 1/10 of their Legion. Though they threw their lot in with the Warmaster, the IVth did not see themselves as servants of Chaos; they were not heretics and monsters like many of their brothers. Instead they fought in the same implacable way they always had, all the way to the Siege of Terra that Perturabo commanded until close to the very end.
For the Horus Heresy player the Iron Warriors are a chance to play a legion that sees warfare in clear cut, almost mathematical terms. Possessed of a bitter fury, they do not have the same showy flamboyance of some of the other traitors, but instead a deep dedication to perform their tasks well and to use their skills of siegecraft to see their side victorious. They tend to prioritise mechanised warfare and have strong connections to the Mechanicum.
Yes, we know we recommended taking them with a Tyrant of Lyssatra Warlord, but the thing you just really need to consider is moderation. Got a bunch of big beat-face games coming up? Go wild. Starting off a league with a bunch of newer players all excited about their core box models? Probably leave them at home. Professionals have standards.
On the other hand, his Warlord trait is bad, granting him the ability to charge even if he fired his rapid-fire volkite charger, along with a Movement phase reaction. There is zero scenario on this or any other planet where a valuable Warlord trait should be given up just to allow your Warlord to fire a 2 point rifle.
The entire Siege of Terra series has moments of pure brilliance from both Pertuarbo and his Legion, from the Daughter of Woe in Solar War, Pertuarbo letting his sons shine in The First Wall, to, well, that moment we all know in Mortis.
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I have done this quest twice...both times without going to Cottonwood...so it is NOT mandatory. Last playthrough I freed the powdergangers for 2, and freed the NCR prisoners in Nelson for 2, then killing one of them for the cheat/bonus 1. Entered convo with Boone and he said he didn't want to go to Bittersprings, but as soon as I exited convo he came to me and said he was ready to go back. Didn't do any 30 speech check either. 74.58.253.155 21:38, November 3, 2014 (UTC)
After completing the quest Back in Your Own Backyard I was able to advance in dialog with Bonne. I still could not get further dialog by freeing the slaves from cottenwood cove, but I could get him to tell me what happened to his wife if I dropped the toxic barrels into the cove AND killed the slaves in the process. Either way, I was not able to start his sidequest. Powlee 02:12, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
In terms of triggering the quest, I've been doing an NCR champion game and have done everything in favour of them, with Boone in my party the entire time. I was driving myself mad trying to find out how to trigger the quest, I figured it out as all I needed to do was to go to Cottonwood Cove and clear it out. Worked right away, got the extra dialogue and Boone wants to go to Bitter Springs immediately. This should be added. --Quicksilverk 23:44, October 29, 2010 (UTC) Added a Note on the main page. --Quicksilverk 00:15, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
So if I kill all the legion in cottenwood cove by shooting everyone with boone I get the quest but dropping toxic barrels on the camp will not trigger the quest to start? Is it just a matter of how many legion kills you get with Boone following you?Powlee 16:33, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
I can't confirm if dropping the barrels will not trigger it. I only killed the Legion at the Cove with a rifle. Still I think it's just going to Cottonwood Cove that is the real trigger. Having Boone with you though means that he'll attack the Legion.
I just started this quest. I had, by my calculations, 6 "Boone points". First 2 for saving Nelson hostages, then 2 for wiping out Cottonwood Cove during Left My Heart (sniper kills, not the barrels), final 2 for releasing the Powder Ganger hostages at the Legion Raid Camp during Booted. I spoke with Boone after completing Booted and explored all dialogue options. He spoke relatively at length (for him) about Bitter Springs but did not offer this quest. I then fast travelled to Cottonwood Cove and he initiated the quest immediately upon arrival. Clearly linked with location as well as point standing. (PC version) 142.179.122.202 19:48, December 9, 2010 (UTC)
In my case, I did recruit Boone early, but he somehow missed either Nelson or the Raid camp when I did them (I believe I had him with me in both cases, but this is too far back to remember or load a saved game and redo that) so he had only 2 points- traveling back to the places didn't 'add' the points. After clearing cottonwood (cleared all but the Centurion alone, then picked up Boone, killed Centurion, didn't push the barrels) so he was still missing 1 point, and I didn't want to head to the Fort quite yet.. I had done the Silus 'peacefully', but going back to McCarran and flat out killing Silus, even tho that quest was already completed, gave him the final point I wanted and allowed the Quest to progress (PC).
I got carried away doing quests before having Boone as a companion, and have effectively locked myself out of ever getting enough points with him to do this quest. If we could get an ID or a way to force-start it through the console, it'd be very helpful.
You can get this quest and still not do much to hurt rep with Caesar's Legion. I took these steps and it worked well. The only catch is that you have to be at least accepted with NCR when Boone is your companion. So if you sided with the Powder gangers at the beginning of the game you may not be able to take this route. Remember that once you take Boone as a companion you should always exhaust all dialog options each step of the way
-Take Boone as companion.-Do quest "Booted" use a stealth boy and sneak in to rescue prisoners. Save when you get near the camp too because sometimes the legion will spot boone and it goes against your rep when he kills members of the legion.
-(Accepted with NCR) Go to camp Mccarran and talk to Colonol Hsu about interrogating the prisoner, take every opportunity during interrogation to beat him senseless and make sure in the end to beat him to death. This adds to your Boone rep and helps out the Legion who expect all members to kill themselves rather than be captured.
-(trickiest part, save before trying, also be sure to complete "we are legion" because completing this makes you permanently hostile to Dead Sea. Once again use a stealthboy and head to Nelson. Sneak into the camp from the eastern side, if your lucky they'll be an NCR assault coming in providing unintentional distraction, release the three crucified prisoners.
-Once you have the quest be sure to do it straight away(x-box 360). If you have Boone leave your group once this quest is in your log before you complete it you may trigger a glitch that makes it impossible to trigger the bitter springs dialogue. Killing the legion during this quest hurts you rep with them so bring some stealth boys, a suppressed sniper rifle and some turbo to sneak kill as many legion as possible, it should be noted that in all of boone's endings that include Caesar's victory at the dam he makes the legions life miserable so if your going for the caesar's legion ending you may be better off taking the wrong person for boone to kill in "one for my baby" then telling boone about it so he attacks you and you can kill him. That way he doesn't end up murdering the legion in the end of the game dialogue. (bonus: If you kill Boone during "One for my Baby" Mr. New Vegas will report that bitter springs was overrun by legion since you automatically fail "so I forgot to remember to forget" (x-box 360
Do you really have to? I only looked this quest up the other day, and noticed I had already done 2 of the things on the list without talking to Boone after them. Then I did the "Booted" quest and talked to him, then cleared out Cottonwood Cove and talked to him and I got it. So do you really have to talk to him after each one?(I also love Boone too)--86.42.244.145 18:57, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
I added a note about completing the three Bitter Springs quests prior to this one. It was noted on the pages for those quests but it really belongs on this one seeing as people (like me) wont be looking at those pages while doing this quest and they (me) will get screwed out of those ones.ReapTheChaos 16:19, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
I killed Vargas after reading the note on his computer and never talked to him about Bitter Springs. If I'm reading this correctly that locks me out of any chance of doing Boone's side quest, correct? If that's the case maybe we should bold that in the wiki or something.
Answer: unfortunately no. If your doing the house, yes man, or ncr versions of the game it is pretty easy to get the history points(just killing Caesar and the rest of the legion at the fort might do it) but if your doing the legion ending it can be tricky, the pro-legion version above is all you can do. going to bitter springs without the history points does nothing.
I recruited Boone quite late into the game, when I'd already done almost everything that would earn history points. I only did one thing that would while he was my companion - clearing Cottonwood Cove. Immediately afterwards, I was able to talk to him about Bitter Springs and start his quest. I'm guessing either you don't need five history points anymore or the patch added something so that you earn the points even before you meet him. Does anyone know what this is about?
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