Myriad Pro is platform-independent OpenType. If you bought it for your Mac, you can also install it on your Windows machine (as long as your software license allows for more than one installation).Neil
Is it the semicondensed (light or other) or the semibold bold font you're having issues with? How are you installing these fonts, do you have ATM installed (if so, which version), have these fonts been edited at all?
* * * * *Side note on style linking:As you note in your last message above, you can in fact use all weights of the font, by use of the "bold" button in conjunction with the weights that show up in the font menu in typical applications. The issue has to do with style linking on Windows, and is just a basic fact of life around using fonts in Windows, for the most part. (Some Adobe applications such as InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop bypass the Windows OS font handling entirely to avoid this issue.)Note that this issue is true for ALL font formats on Windows, and is not particular to OpenType.See this Adobe Tech Note for more info:
The issue is also discussed in the OpenType User Guide ...and at length in the OpenType readme file .I don't know how we can make it more prominent, but obviously by documenting this everywhere we can think of, we're doing our best.Regards,T
Myriad Pro Bold SemiExt
Myriad Pro Bold SemiExt Italic
Myriad Pro Black
Myriad Pro Black Condensed
Myriad Pro Black Condensed Italic
Myriad Pro Black Italic
Myriad Pro Black SemiExt
Myriad Pro Black SemiExt Italic
Myriad Pro SemiExt
Myriad Pro SemiExt ItalicThe only SemiExt family that shows up on the Windows OS font menu is Myriad Pro Light SemiExt, and using the sytle buttons I get:Myriad Pro Light SemiExt
Myriad Pro Light SemiExt Italic
Myriad Pro SemiBold SemiExt
Myriad Pro SemiBold SemiExt ItalicThere doesn't seem to be a path to the SemiExt fonts listed above or any of the Black fonts.Is there a way for the Windows OS font handler to access the last ten fonts? The application I actually need it in is Pageflex by Bitstream and not Quark. It is only available as a PC application and uses the Windows OS font handler.
By the bye, as far as I'm aware, there are no fonts Myriad Pro Bold SemiExt or Myriad Pro Bold SemiExt Italic. There are, however, Myriad Pro SemiExt Bold and Myriad Pro SemiExt Bold Italic. This is not just a matter of semantics, because it does affect how you find them.
Additionally, font-specific style linking info used to be right on the Adobe web page for each font, but somehow got dropped in a recent redesign of the site. It is slated to be added back in, but I don't know how soon that will be live offhand.Regards,T
(First, note that the issues in question don't apply to most Adobe creative applications, such as InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop. They only apply to more typical Windows applications.)All Windows applications I've ever used CAN distinguish these fonts, and the users access the different fonts by use of bold and italic styling. This is simply how fonts work on Windows! There is no need to edit the fonts. If you look at, for example, Arial and Times New Roman on Windows, each has four fonts with the same family name (NameID 1) and different style names (NameID 2).If you want to make Windows and Mac documents more compatible you can choose fonts on the Mac more like you would on Windows, by using the styling where a style-linked font exists, and only directly selecting the "base font" within any style linked group.Yes, you could modify your Windows fonts to break the style links, and make them compatible with Mac fonts being selected separately. If you do that, your documents using the formerly-linked fonts will be incompatible with other Windows users, and incompatible with Mac users who *do* know the right way to make their docs more Windows-compatible.Regards,TThomas Phinney
Product Manager
Fonts & Global Typography
Adobe Systems
You say this is a problem that you have "encountered often" but you don't give us any actual example of it. Like Thomas, I've not had a problem with Windows recognising properly constructed fonts, and the only issue I'm aware of is due to having two fonts with the exact same name active at the same time. Of course, badly put together fonts or fonts edited by those who are not sure of what they're doing can cause problems (on PCs and Macs) but the answer is not more editing but avoiding such fonts in the first place.To this end, I note your comment about an "impatient client [who] wants their document produced using Futura Condensed, and [who is] adamant that the fonts worked fine for their designer (who converted the fonts from Mac to PC just for you)". Not only is such forwarding of fonts almost certainly a breach of the font's license but such a workflow (having clients converting fonts from Mac to PC) is not one that professionals would recommend. Rather than advocating more editing, why not just tell people to use OpenType fonts?
I have to agree with both Thomas and Dominic that your link is both misguided and self-serving. I also agree with Dominic about the legal issues with lending fonts to other users (this is a form of software piracy). I know Windows-based designers who simply start with good quality fonts and do not have the problems you imply are rampant.If there are more objections to the half-truths you are perpetuating, your link will simply be removed.Neil
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Some font families have been produced with a single family name and
dozens of different styles such as light, black, outline, condensed,
etc. etc. This works fine on Macs, but the variations aren't
recognized by Windows.I can't speak for ancient history, but certainly ALL of Adobe's
current offerings are well-named to work perfectly under both Windows
and MacOS.And yes, bad conversions, whether legal or not, have bad results.I'm not sure how this presentation relates; he also uses some
terminology that's somewhat different from what I'm used to: =get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=2843 - Herb
This could be misleading to some. If you mean to say that the other variants won't be listed under the main font name, then you're right, but some might take it to mean that these fonts won't be recognised by Windows period. And that's just wrong.I acutally prefer having variants listed under the family name rather than as separate fonts (as per Macs). And, by the once popularity of Type Reunion, I gather many Mac users also liked to have it this way. Windows only real problem is that it doesn't list all variants under the family name.
Well, Windows has more real problems than that! But that's besides the
point :)When properly named, the only variants that aren't listed by Windows
apps are specifically Bold, Italic, and Bold Italic, because
applications provide buttons for them.Some applications, such as Corel Draw, disable the buttons for any
font family that doesn't provide the appropriate font file. Hmm..
wonder what it does if there's a bold italic but no bold or italic ...
will have to test that. Some day.MS Office applications, Corel Word Perfect, and similar applications
let you use the Bold and Italic buttons even if the appropriate font
file is absent, producing a typographically disgusting faux bold and a
terrible oblique, respectively. The worst part of this is that
there's no way to tell it not to, and there's no way to determine
whether the matching files are installed. - Herb
True up to XP, but not so for Vista. But I don't see what you're getting at - this point hasn't been in dispute.> MS Office applications, ... let you use the Bold and Italic buttons even if the appropriate font file is absent, producing a typographically disgusting faux bold and a terrible oblique, respectively.I don't know about all the apps you cite, but in Word you can tell when the font is being faked by checking the info in the font dialogue (in my old version, it says the font style is being imitated for display). DTP apps I've used in Windows typically grey out options for unavailable variants in font dialogues. But faux fonts are a Windows-only phenomenon, so I don't really see the relevance of this either.
No, it's not the only solution. You just select the font through the font dialogue. Please give us an example where it's simply not possible to access a font in Windows without editing the font name. Sure, not all variants will appear under the family name (even in Vista), but they are all accessible. If someone doesn't know how to selct a font variant in Windows, I certainly wouldn't send them off to edit that font.
In the distant past when I did this with a Mac XPress file, the RIP output killed all styles. I was never shown a proof, and I didn't find out until millions of copies of the ad I created were on the newsstand!Neil
Gotta have proofs!Most of what I job out goes as press-optimized PDFs to help guard against that, but I've been burned in the past with these as well....so I always require proofs....Counterintuitive font management for sure....but what ya gonna do?
This incident predated widespread use of PDFs. I think Acrobat was at version 1 or 2 at the time and no one I knew could figure out what the heck the application (and its various, vaguely named components) were all about. We spent a fortune on color separated film and Matchprints for much of our other work....which brings back a funny story. One of the houses we used for color separations from our QuarkXPress files had all the right things going for it: they were cheap, fast, and good (forget the adage that says "choose two"); they were courteous; they were in the neighborhood. Our clients particularly appreciated their ability to get skin tones right. But they had good experience -- 90% of their work was for the soft porn magazine industry!Neil
Yes, Thomas covered all this in his post 4. As he said then, it's just a fact of life on Windows. The style links for Adobe fonts are always given in the readme, and he gave a link to the Myriad readme in post 9. Other font foundries should give out the same info, so it's really not necessary to create a file in a Mac and then open it in Windows.While some may find it counterintuitive to get Myriad Pro Semibold by bolding Myriad Pro Light, to me it's completely logical. A bold of a light face is going to be lighter then a bold of a regular face, so it makes sense to link the semibold there. I really don't know why some people get so worked up about this. They usually seem to be Mac users, so maybe it's just because it sounds complicated to them. But it's just never been an issue to me. Given the choice, I prefer font families to having each font listed separately.
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