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Zero

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Mar 11, 2003, 11:32:49 PM3/11/03
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Downtown: Frank Sinatra's or Petula Clark's?


which is _your_ favorite?

me? i fuckin' love them both. they always uplift me.

this is dedicated to PJ, in her quest for not-fighting posts.


"when you've got worries, all the noise and the hurry,
seems to help, i know...
downtown
just-lis-ten-to-the-mu-sic-of-the-traf-fic-in-the-city...
lin-ger-on-the-side-walk-where-the-neon-signs-are-pretty...

how can you lose?

the lights... are much brighter there,
you can
forget all your troubles!
forget all your cares!...
so go!...
DOWNNN-TOWN!
things will be great! when you're:
DOWNNN-TOWN!
no finer place, for sure!
DOWNNN-TOWN!
everything's waiting for youuu....
downtownnnnn...
downtownnnnn...

don't hang around and let your problems surround you,
there are movie shows:
downtown
maybe you know some little places to go-to
where they never close:
downtown
just-listen-to-the-rythym-of-a-gentle-bossanova...
you'll-be-dancing-with-him-too-before-the-night-is-over...
*happy again*...

the lights...
are much brighter there...
you can
forget all your troubles!
forget all your cares!...
so go...
DOWNNN-TOWN!
where all the lights are bright!
DOWNNN-TOWN!
waiting for you tonite!
DOWNNN-TOWN!
you're gonna be alright, nowwwww....
downtown...
DownTown...
DOWNNN-TOWN!"
-- Frank Sinatra's or Petula Clark's?
[song: "Downtown"]


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AVOIDING DOWNTOWN BAGHDAD
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Eric Garcia

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Mar 12, 2003, 4:12:13 PM3/12/03
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I'm gonna go with Frank's on this, but I have a devastating confession to
make on the Sinatra front:

I prefer Anka's rendition of "My Way."

Let the stoning begin.

Ouch!

emg

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Eliska

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Mar 12, 2003, 7:31:33 PM3/12/03
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:12:13 -0800, "Eric Garcia" <emga...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I'm gonna go with Frank's on this, but I have a devastating confession to
>make on the Sinatra front:
>
>I prefer Anka's rendition of "My Way."
>
>Let the stoning begin.
>
>Ouch!
>
>emg
>
>"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20030311233249...@mb-ct.aol.com...
>> Downtown: Frank Sinatra's or Petula Clark's?
>>
>>
>> which is _your_ favorite?
>>
>> me? i fuckin' love them both. they always uplift me.
>>
>> this is dedicated to PJ, in her quest for not-fighting posts.
>>
>>
>> "when you've got worries, all the noise and the hurry,

snip

My favorite escapist song is the Drifters' version of
"Up on the Roof"

Eliska

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Towse

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Mar 12, 2003, 8:52:45 PM3/12/03
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> >"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote

> >> Downtown: Frank Sinatra's or Petula Clark's?
> >>
> >> which is _your_ favorite?
> >>
> >> me? i fuckin' love them both. they always uplift me.
> >>
> >> this is dedicated to PJ, in her quest for not-fighting posts.
> >>
> >> "when you've got worries, all the noise and the hurry,

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:12:13 -0800, "Eric Garcia" <emga...@earthlink.net> wrote:


>
> >I'm gonna go with Frank's on this, but I have a devastating confession to
> >make on the Sinatra front:
> >
> >I prefer Anka's rendition of "My Way."
> >
> >Let the stoning begin.
> >
> >Ouch!

Anka co-wrote the song, so it's part n' piece of his soul: you've
got a point.

Eliska wrote:
>
> snip
>
> My favorite escapist song is the Drifters' version of
> "Up on the Roof"

When I was young, so much younger then than now, my favorite
escapist song was The Beach Boys: "In My Room." (Brian Wilson &
Gary Usher - 1963)

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PJ

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Mar 12, 2003, 9:28:57 PM3/12/03
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"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote

: Downtown: Frank Sinatra's or Petula Clark's?


::
: which is _your_ favorite?
:
: me? i fuckin' love them both. they always uplift me.
:
: this is dedicated to PJ, in her quest for not-fighting posts.

Awww, I just noticed this Zero, sorry I didn't respond earlier.

Like you, I love both versions too. I'm a huge Frank Sinatra fan and
have scads of his CDs. But I have to say that ever since I read your
post, I've been hearing the Petula Clark version in my head and it's
conjuring up pleasant memories of days gone by.

Thanks for that. Pleasant memories of days gone by are a nice thing,
particularly right now.

PJ
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Bob Pastorio

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Mar 13, 2003, 1:06:17 AM3/13/03
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Eric Garcia wrote:
>
> I'm gonna go with Frank's on this, but I have a devastating confession to
> make on the Sinatra front:
>
> I prefer Anka's rendition of "My Way."
>
> Let the stoning begin.
>
> Ouch!

Anka wrote the English lyrics to a Fr**ch song.

A few labored rhymes, but all in all a good song.

But I sing it better.

Pastorio (Why are we doing that asterisk thing with words...? Did I do
it right?)

Bob Pastorio

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Mar 13, 2003, 1:10:00 AM3/13/03
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Eric Garcia wrote:

...stuff.

Good to see you back around.

We've had a notable scarcity of reptiles hereabouts.

What's new?

Pastorio

Zero

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Mar 13, 2003, 3:52:32 AM3/13/03
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"Eric Garcia" emga...@earthlink.net did it HIS way:

>I'm gonna go with Frank's on this, but I have a
>devastating confession to make on the Sinatra front:
>
>I prefer Anka's rendition of "My Way."

well, i think Paul wrote that song, didn't he?

and Elvis did it, too. but the most interesting version of "My Way"
has *got* to be the one by the late Sid Vicious (from The Sex Pistols).

yikes.

comparing those four versions in one sitting is a major lesson on
"interpretation," if there ever was one. especially considering
the various histories of the performers. words/lyrics are highly
contexual. so is, i imagine, everything else. whoa.


>Let the stoning begin.
>
>Ouch!

sure, Sinatra is absolutely amazing, but he's only one version
of amazing. still, there's very few Sinatra treatments that i
don't like. kinda like Neil Young -- albeit, on a whole other
plane of music.

anyway, the Petula Clark version of "Downtown" is equally great,
as far as i'm concerned. she uses different inflections and
instrumentation, and background singing, and has a whole extra
verse at the end. the words below were transcribed while i
listened to her version. then i listened to Frank's, and it
was pretty interesting to follow Petula's sung words that i
wrote out as Frank sang to see the distinctions.

Frank adds a few classic exclamation "oo's" which enhance the
performance considerably.

the song has a pretty crazy structure. but it flows great.

i don't have time right now to transcribe Frank's stylistic
rendition, nor the extra lyrics that Petula sings, but if you
have both versions handy, read along with the words below and
enjoy the differences in approach (which you probably wouldn't
notice nearly as easily otherwise).


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boys and girls...
the chocolate room..."
-- Willy Wonka
[actor: Gene Wilder;
song: "Pure Imagination";
from the movie: "Willy Wonka &
The Chocolate Factory " (1971)]
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NEIL YOUNG'S VERSION OF "HOME ON THE RANGE"


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Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady

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Mar 13, 2003, 6:50:20 AM3/13/03
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:12:13 -0800, "Eric Garcia"
<emga...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I'm gonna go with Frank's on this,

But Petula's the one who sounds like she's going to have good, clean
fun when she goes "Downtown", and Frank sounds like he's going to be
finding new customers for cement boots. Gotta go with Petula on this
one.

>but I have a devastating confession to
>make on the Sinatra front:
>
>I prefer Anka's rendition of "My Way."
>
>Let the stoning begin.
>
>Ouch!

You wanna see stoning, Eric? I'll show you stoning...

I think that the English version of "My Way" is one of the worst songs
ever released.

(Blech!)

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Ultraviolet

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Mar 13, 2003, 10:19:24 AM3/13/03
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Been fourteen days since I don't know when, and I just saw Davida Chazan
- The Chocolate Lady <7zcm...@sneakemail.com> with my best friend:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:12:13 -0800, "Eric Garcia"
> <emga...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>I'm gonna go with Frank's on this,
>
> But Petula's the one who sounds like she's going to have good, clean
> fun when she goes "Downtown", and Frank sounds like he's going to be
> finding new customers for cement boots. Gotta go with Petula on this
> one.


Good, clean fun? Bor-ing. Frank rocks! And Nancy...I LOVE her! "These
Boots are Made for Walking" is one of my fave songs ever. The lyrics are
hilarious.

But Petula's "Don't Sleep in the Subway, Darling" is a good song.


>>but I have a devastating confession to
>>make on the Sinatra front:
>>
>>I prefer Anka's rendition of "My Way."
>>
>>Let the stoning begin.
>>
>>Ouch!
>
> You wanna see stoning, Eric? I'll show you stoning...
>
> I think that the English version of "My Way" is one of the worst songs
> ever released.
>
> (Blech!)


Oh, please. You think you'll get stoned for that? Hah.

I LIKE Anka's "Having My Baby."

There!


--
UV

Alan Hope

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Mar 13, 2003, 10:27:39 AM3/13/03
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Eric Garcia goes:

>I'm gonna go with Frank's on this, but I have a devastating confession to
>make on the Sinatra front:

>I prefer Anka's rendition of "My Way."

It's 25 years since Claude Francois died. He wrote the original,
_Comme d'habitude_. In Freedom, obviously.


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Stan (the Man)

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Mar 13, 2003, 10:38:45 AM3/13/03
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Bob Pastorio wrote:

<...>

> Pastorio (Why are we doing that asterisk thing with words...? Did I do
> it right?)

No. Stop doing it. I've changed my mind. You'll be advised in email of
the next in-thing.

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Zero

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Mar 13, 2003, 1:37:06 PM3/13/03
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In article <3E6FE46D...@towse.com>,
Towse <se...@towse.com> writes:

>> >"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote
>
>> >> Downtown: Frank Sinatra's or Petula Clark's?
>> >> which is _your_ favorite? me? i fuckin' love them both.
>> >> they always uplift me.
>> >>
>> >> this is dedicated to PJ, in her quest for not-fighting posts.
>> >>
>> >> "when you've got worries, all the noise and the hurry,
>

>>"Eric Garcia" <emga...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm gonna go with Frank's on this, but I have a devastating confession
>> >to make on the Sinatra front: I prefer Anka's rendition of "My Way."
>> >Let the stoning begin. Ouch!
>
>Anka co-wrote the song, so it's part n' piece of his soul: you've
>got a point.

Paul did it his way, Frank did it his, Elvis his, and Sid... well...
he must have been following the instructions on the heroin packet.

>Eliska wrote:
>
>> My favorite escapist song is the Drifters' version of
>> "Up on the Roof"

whoa. that's a great song.

>When I was young, so much younger then than now, my
>favorite escapist song was The Beach Boys: "In My Room."
>(Brian Wilson & Gary Usher - 1963)

i can't mentally place that one by title. how does it go?

anyway, escapist music, huh?

yikes, isn't ALL music escapist? (thank God).

but there are certainly some pieces that *uplift* far
better than others. over the years, i've attempted to
put all of those kinds into one mix. with varying results.

even "depressing" music can be uplifting.

there's just something about music that gets to you.

but back to the upbeat genre.

a couple years ago, as my start-the-day ritual, i would
cue up George Harrison's "What Is Life". real loud.

that guitar riff is so soothing.

nare nare nare narrre...
nare nare nare narrre...
nare. nare.

nare nare nare narrre...
nare nare nare narrre...
nare. nare.

and the singing is so loving, and humble.

i was into that one for about a year. i think it was starting
to get on my secretary's nerves, every morning, after lunch,
etc.. she would slam my office door shut.

during the last few months of that yearlong earworm, Harrison
died. yikes, i didn't even know he was seriously ill. so when i
heard it announced on the radio during an all-nighter work
session, i was pretty shocked. my secretary stopped slamming
the door for a few days. some people just don't understand George.

anyway, lately i've been cranking up "Cross-Eyed and Painless"
by Talking Heads. it's not as obviously upbeat, but it's a great
soundtrack for The Letgo Dance (which i try to do every morning).
although, in reality, i only do The Letgo Dance to show people what
it looks like. they really get a kick out of it. brightens their day.
it gives them something to think about, rather than pure stupidity.

i've also bee playing Elvis Costello's "What's So Funny 'Bout
Peace, Love and Understanding" quite a bit lately. fantastic song.

and of course, my daily doses of Neil Young. the meditatively relaxing
"Words" (each day -- so as not to drive others completely crazy -- i
rotate the live version with a few other album versions); the meditatively
inspiring "Cowgirl in the Sand"; and a few of the hypnotically simple
songs like "Borrowed Tune", "Albuquerque" and "Mellow My Mind".

the harmonica on Alb is... what it is...

Neil's "Country Home" (from "Ragged Glory") can clear out the
cobwebs nicely.

"i guess i need that city life...
it sure has lots of style...
but pretty soon it wears me out...
and i have to think... to smile..."

as does "Heart of Gold."

and Kubrick's use of "Blue Danube".

it's usually worthwhile to listen to The Clash when you feel
rundown, or need a bit of a booster. it's kinda like coffee.
same with Talking Heads. except the Heads include
interesting "coffee talk."

yikes. i could go on forever. i listen to so much different
music that i can't imagine where i find the time to listen to
any of it more than once. but i do. often.

it's a real joy to make my own choices of what to listen to.

what musical choices do you make?


"shiva shiva shankarrr...
ma ha divahhhaaa...
shiva shiva shankarrr...
ma ha divahhha..."
-- George Harrison
[song: "Brainwashed"; from the
album: "Brainwashed" (2002)]
http://www.georgeharrison.com/


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pandora

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In article <J1Sba.60141$3D1.2961@sccrnsc01>, PJ <p...@pjparks.com> wrote:
>"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote
>
>: Downtown: Frank Sinatra's or Petula Clark's?
>::
>: which is _your_ favorite?
>:
>: me? i fuckin' love them both. they always uplift me.
>:
>: this is dedicated to PJ, in her quest for not-fighting posts.
>
>Awww, I just noticed this Zero, sorry I didn't respond earlier.
>
>Like you, I love both versions too. I'm a huge Frank Sinatra fan and
>have scads of his CDs. But I have to say that ever since I read your
>post, I've been hearing the Petula Clark version in my head and it's
>conjuring up pleasant memories of days gone by.

Yes, indeed. And I concur, Petula's version is my favorite.

>Thanks for that. Pleasant memories of days gone by are a nice thing,
>particularly right now.

Yes, once again. Perhaps we're getting old? Nah!

pandora

>PJ
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>
>http://www.pjparks.com
>
>


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