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Paul Heslop

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Oct 9, 2001, 7:03:21 PM10/9/01
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Pavel Litvinoff wrote:
>
> Somebody asked about overrated writers? My nomination is Saul Bellow.
> Only good book of his was the one about the writer who gets mixed up
> with a 'junior-league' mafia guy. I forget the name, but it was very
> funny. 'Henderson The Rain King' was a bore. Same for 'Mr. Sammler's
> Planet'. 'Herzog' I could not even finish.
>
> It is amazing to me that they gave the Nobel to this writer.

Four of them... Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. :O) I couldn't get the hang
of that book at all, the plot just went all over the place, and there's
far too much begatting.
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doug bassett

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Oct 9, 2001, 8:30:22 PM10/9/01
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"Pavel Litvinoff" <pap...@orestes.com> wrote in message
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> Somebody asked about overrated writers? My nomination is Saul Bellow.
> Only good book of his was the one about the writer who gets mixed up
> with a 'junior-league' mafia guy. I forget the name, but it was very
> funny. 'Henderson The Rain King' was a bore. Same for 'Mr. Sammler's
> Planet'. 'Herzog' I could not even finish.
>
> It is amazing to me that they gave the Nobel to this writer.

John Updike, Norman Mailer, Thomas Pynchon, Ann Beattie, Alice Walker,
Raymond Carver, John Barth -- just off the top of my head.

doug

Belle Harper

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Oct 9, 2001, 9:03:44 PM10/9/01
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doug bassett <dougb...@conectiv.net> wrote in message
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> John Updike, Norman Mailer, Thomas Pynchon, Ann Beattie, Alice Walker,
> Raymond Carver, John Barth -- just off the top of my head.

Good choices. I'll add Toni Morrison.

Belle

Looney

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Oct 9, 2001, 10:24:48 PM10/9/01
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Doesn't she already have a Nobel?

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dogbreath

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Oct 9, 2001, 10:18:21 PM10/9/01
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Ray Bradbury.

Looney

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Oct 9, 2001, 10:54:18 PM10/9/01
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I wrote:
>Belle wrote:
>>doug bassett <dougb...@conectiv.net> wrote in message
>>news:9q04t3$6ga$1...@grendel.conectiv.net...
>>> John Updike, Norman Mailer, Thomas Pynchon, Ann Beattie, Alice Walker,
>>> Raymond Carver, John Barth -- just off the top of my head.
>>
>>Good choices. I'll add Toni Morrison.
>
>Doesn't she already have a Nobel?

Oops, sorry... In my obtuseness (obtusity? obtusosity?) I thought you were
naming folks who shoulda got the Nobel instead of Saul... silly me...

I nominate (for most overrated) or rather I second the nomination of, Thomas
Pynchon... And I vehemently disagree with the inclusion of Raymond Carver

:-)

Looney

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Oct 9, 2001, 10:56:45 PM10/9/01
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Bruce wrote:
>On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:18:21 -0600, dogbreath
><dogb...@NOSPAMarcticmail.com> hocked up and spat out:
>
>>Ray Bradbury.
>
>Gotta ask. Are you listing authors you consider over-rated, or that
>should have won the Nobel? (I'm too lazy to look up on the internet
>to see who's won what. I do know that Bradbury ain't won no Nobel,
>though.)

Phew! I thought I was the only one what got confused...

L a n e

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Oct 10, 2001, 5:25:47 AM10/10/01
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Confession: I have never read anything by Maya Angelo, but your
comment about the Nobel Prize reminded me of questions I have about
her *novel* Beloved. I saw it in bookstores and it looked more like a
short story to me. Novels usually are expected to be of a minimum word
count, even though the exact minimum length of what a novel is
debated. I usually don't comment on books I haven't read so that's why
the disclaimer.

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J. Shawn Stephens

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Oct 10, 2001, 6:17:30 AM10/10/01
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The others I agree with, but do you really consider Kurt Vonnegut and Ray
Bradbury overrated?

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> Ray Bradbury.


dogbreath

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Oct 10, 2001, 8:03:32 AM10/10/01
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"J. Shawn Stephens" <jjja...@swbell.net> wrote:

>The others I agree with, but do you really consider Kurt Vonnegut and Ray
>Bradbury overrated?

Only if there are people who think their work is good. I think they
suck.

William Penrose

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Oct 10, 2001, 10:19:44 AM10/10/01
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Paul Heslop <paul....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3BC380CF...@cableinet.co.uk>...

>
> Four of them... Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. :O) I couldn't get the hang
> of that book at all, the plot just went all over the place, and there's
> far too much begatting.

The begattings are the parts I read most. Usually under the covers,
with a flashlight.

Bill Penrose

ing

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Oct 10, 2001, 11:06:12 AM10/10/01
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Pavel Litvinoff wrote:
>
> Somebody asked about overrated writers? My nomination is Saul Bellow.
> Only good book of his was the one about the writer who gets mixed up
> with a 'junior-league' mafia guy. I forget the name, but it was very
> funny. 'Henderson The Rain King' was a bore. Same for 'Mr. Sammler's
> Planet'. 'Herzog' I could not even finish.
>
> It is amazing to me that they gave the Nobel to this writer.


Not to me. I adore Bellow's writing with a passion. I've
read The Adventures of Augie March three times now and get
something new from it every time. "Herzog" is also another
real fave of mine.

As to overrated writers -- don't feel all that equipped to
say, since it's always just *one* person's opinion. You say
potato, I say putata. FWIW, I'd give my right arm to be
able to write half as well as most of the authors mentioned
here as being "overrated". My guess is, so would most of
the people citing the names.

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Alex Jay Berman

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Oct 10, 2001, 2:59:37 PM10/10/01
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:02:57 -0600, dogbreath
<dogb...@NOSPAMarcticmail.com> wrote:

>Bruce Diamond <lbdi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:18:21 -0600, dogbreath
>><dogb...@NOSPAMarcticmail.com> hocked up and spat out:
>>
>>>Ray Bradbury.
>>
>>Gotta ask. Are you listing authors you consider over-rated, or that
>>should have won the Nobel? (I'm too lazy to look up on the internet
>>to see who's won what. I do know that Bradbury ain't won no Nobel,
>>though.)
>>
>>

>>Bruce (in no danger of winning *any* awards)
>
>Bradbury and Vonnegut are the two worst authors I've been able to
>think of so far.

Care to explain why you feel thus?

Alex Jay Berman
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Alex Jay Berman

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Oct 10, 2001, 3:00:19 PM10/10/01
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 05:25:47 -0400, "L a n e" <walte...@netzero.net>
wrote:

>Confession: I have never read anything by Maya Angelo, but your
>comment about the Nobel Prize reminded me of questions I have about
>her *novel* Beloved.

BELOVED is by Toni Morrison; not Maya Angelou.

dogbreath

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Oct 10, 2001, 3:48:12 PM10/10/01
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smeg...@erols.com (Alex Jay Berman) wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:02:57 -0600, dogbreath
><dogb...@NOSPAMarcticmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Bruce Diamond <lbdi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:18:21 -0600, dogbreath
>>><dogb...@NOSPAMarcticmail.com> hocked up and spat out:
>>>
>>>>Ray Bradbury.
>>>
>>>Gotta ask. Are you listing authors you consider over-rated, or that
>>>should have won the Nobel? (I'm too lazy to look up on the internet
>>>to see who's won what. I do know that Bradbury ain't won no Nobel,
>>>though.)
>>>
>>>
>>>Bruce (in no danger of winning *any* awards)
>>
>>Bradbury and Vonnegut are the two worst authors I've been able to
>>think of so far.
>
>Care to explain why you feel thus?

Shitty books, mostly. Breakfast Of Champions blew chunks although
they nearly saved it in the movie version. Dandelion Wine wouldn't
even make the cut in a high-school writing contest imo. Their grammar
is fine, but everything else sucks. I probably couldn't do any
better, which is a damned good reason for not bothering (tongue
halfway in cheek).

Keltic

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Oct 10, 2001, 4:49:05 PM10/10/01
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On 10 Oct 2001 07:19:44 -0700, pen...@iit.edu (William Penrose)
wrote:

>The begattings are the parts I read most. Usually under the covers,
>with a flashlight.

I liked that bit where one of the patriarchs (Noah?) got drunk and
fell asleep nude in his tent and his kids were poking his nakedness
with a stick.

They don't write 'em like that any more.

Cheers, Keltic

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Andy Averill

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Oct 10, 2001, 5:42:01 PM10/10/01
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Paul Heslop

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Oct 10, 2001, 7:09:48 PM10/10/01
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Aye, there's nowt like 'aving yer nakedness poked wi' a stick! Luxury!

Bill Tuthill

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Oct 10, 2001, 7:40:58 PM10/10/01
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> "Pavel Litvinoff" <pap...@orestes.com> wrote:
>
>> Somebody asked about overrated writers? My nomination is Saul Bellow.
>> Only good book of his was the one about the writer who gets mixed up
>> with a 'junior-league' mafia guy. I forget the name, but it was very
>> funny. 'Henderson The Rain King' was a bore. Same for 'Mr. Sammler's
>> Planet'. 'Herzog' I could not even finish.
>>
>> It is amazing to me that they gave the Nobel to this writer.

I dunno, I liked several of these books, although I read them years ago
when I wasn't as, umm... mature as I am today. Also, you've gotta admire
a guy who can still pop out babies at the age of 95! Perhaps he won a
Nobel Prize for sperm production.

Robertson Davies has probably written more good boos then Saul Bellow,
but he is Canadian, male, and politically incorrect, so his current
rating isn't very high.


In rec.arts.books doug bassett <dougb...@conectiv.net> wrote:
> John Updike, Norman Mailer, Thomas Pynchon, Ann Beattie, Alice Walker,
> Raymond Carver, John Barth -- just off the top of my head.

You might add Margaret Atwood or Joyce Carol Oates or Louise Erdrich
to this list, although as I said on another thread, people should read
"Crying of Lot 49" before dismissing Pynchon altogether.

smw

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Oct 10, 2001, 9:16:36 PM10/10/01
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Bill Tuthill wrote:

> Robertson Davies has probably written more good boos then Saul Bellow,
> but he is Canadian, male, and politically incorrect, so his current
> rating isn't very high.

He's a tedious bag of ho-hum cliches, and his rating couldn't possibly be low
enough.

s

doug bassett

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Oct 10, 2001, 9:46:36 PM10/10/01
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"smw" <sm...@umich.edu> wrote in message news:3BC4F2F3...@umich.edu...

Obviously you and I are destined never to get along, smw. Davies merited the
Nobel, but then a lot of fine writers have missed out.

doug

smw

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Oct 10, 2001, 10:10:13 PM10/10/01
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doug bassett wrote:

> "smw" <sm...@umich.edu> wrote in message news:3BC4F2F3...@umich.edu...
> >
> >
> > Bill Tuthill wrote:
> >
> > > Robertson Davies has probably written more good boos then Saul Bellow,
> > > but he is Canadian, male, and politically incorrect, so his current
> > > rating isn't very high.
> >
> > He's a tedious bag of ho-hum cliches, and his rating couldn't possibly be
> low
> > enough.
>
> Obviously you and I are destined never to get along, smw.

Hell, I was married to a Straussian for ten years, I can get along with anybody.

> Davies merited the
> Nobel, but then a lot of fine writers have missed out.

Name one literary innovation (stylistic, structural, plot, issue, etc) Davies
has given us. His opinions are showing on every page, for heaven's sake. Mind
you, Bellow is almost as tedious.

s

ing

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Oct 10, 2001, 10:27:53 PM10/10/01
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Bill Tuthill wrote:
>

>
> Robertson Davies has probably written more good boos then Saul Bellow,

How the heck do you compare -- totally different styles and
mind-sets. I'm a fan of both ... both were/are excellent
writers.


> but he is Canadian, male, and politically incorrect, so his current
> rating isn't very high.


That's a crock. His being Canadian and male had nothing to
do with it. More male writers than females have won the
Nobel Literary Prize anyway.

FWIW, Davies name was submitted for the Nobel a couple of
times -- he died before he got it -- and he *would've*, in
time. No doubt about that. His current rating by the way,
due to the special recognition he received at Stratford this
past year, is actually higher than ever. It was a real treat
seeing Richard Monette act out some of Davies' monologues
and dialogues.

ing

L a n e

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Oct 10, 2001, 11:19:12 PM10/10/01
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Sorry, I stand corrected. Still don't know why Beloved got the Nobel.

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Paul Hartman

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Andy Averill wrote:

> Henry James
>

ohhhhhh, the horrible memories *that name brings back!

ing

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Oct 10, 2001, 11:49:52 PM10/10/01
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L a n e wrote:
>
> Sorry, I stand corrected. Still don't know why Beloved got the Nobel.


"Beloved" did not get the Nobel.

The Nobel Prize for Literature is not awarded to a *book* --
it is awarded to an author for a **body** of work. Beloved
was just one of Morrison's works which, when combined with
her many other novels, earned her the Nobel Prize for Literature.


ing

Arindam Banerjee

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Oct 11, 2001, 12:36:10 AM10/11/01
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> > It is amazing to me that they gave the Nobel to this writer.

Any ideas about who should and who should not get the Nobel prize
for literature? Does it have anything to do with the quality of
the writing, or the prejudices of the judges?

Arindam Banerjee.

Alex Jay Berman

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:27:53 -0400, ing <ing.b...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

Let me just point out:

Jorge Luis Borges never got the Nobel.
(Nor Mark Twain)

L a n e

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Oct 11, 2001, 5:25:32 AM10/11/01
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Sorry again.

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doug bassett

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"smw" <sm...@umich.edu> wrote in message news:3BC4FF84...@umich.edu...

>
> Hell, I was married to a Straussian for ten years, I can get along with
anybody.

Heh.

> > Davies merited the
> > Nobel, but then a lot of fine writers have missed out.
>
> Name one literary innovation (stylistic, structural, plot, issue, etc)
Davies
> has given us. His opinions are showing on every page, for heaven's sake.
Mind
> you, Bellow is almost as tedious.

You don't like Saul Bellow??????? All that highfalutin' Adorno stuff is
ruining your aesthetic sense, man.

Re Davies, he's basically a self-concious throwback, but a good one.
Innovations? My Davies books are in storage, or else I'd drag them out and
try to hunt a couple down for you.

I remember really liking _What's Bred in the Bone_ and _Fifth Business_.

doug

smw

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Oct 11, 2001, 8:51:56 AM10/11/01
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doug bassett wrote:

> "smw" <sm...@umich.edu> wrote in message news:3BC4FF84...@umich.edu...
> >
> > Hell, I was married to a Straussian for ten years, I can get along with
> anybody.
>
> Heh.
>
> > > Davies merited the
> > > Nobel, but then a lot of fine writers have missed out.
> >
> > Name one literary innovation (stylistic, structural, plot, issue, etc)
> Davies
> > has given us. His opinions are showing on every page, for heaven's sake.
> Mind
> > you, Bellow is almost as tedious.
>
> You don't like Saul Bellow??????? All that highfalutin' Adorno stuff is
> ruining your aesthetic sense, man.
>
> Re Davies, he's basically a self-concious throwback, but a good one.

Okay, if you like that kind of stuff. But as a recommendation for the Nobel?

s

jimC

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smw wrote:
>
> doug bassett wrote:
>
> > "smw" <sm...@umich.edu> wrote in message news:3BC4F2F3...@umich.edu...
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill Tuthill wrote:
> > >
> > > > Robertson Davies has probably written more good boos then Saul Bellow,
> > > > but he is Canadian, male, and politically incorrect, so his current
> > > > rating isn't very high.
> > >
> > > He's a tedious bag of ho-hum cliches, and his rating couldn't possibly be
> > low
> > > enough.
> >
> > Obviously you and I are destined never to get along, smw.
>
> Hell, I was married to a Straussian for ten years, I can get along with anybody.

Straussian? After Richard? Johann? Bob? Leo? Levi-Straussian?

jimC

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Lorrill Buyens

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:48:37 +0100, mule
<NOS...@smeldrum.dircon.co.uk> ordered a misc.writing pizza with extra
cheese, but got this instead:

>Pavel Litvinoff <pap...@orestes.com> wrote in message
><9070bc3408e0ad6f...@remailer.segfault.net>...


>
>> Somebody asked about overrated writers? My nomination is Saul Bellow.
>> Only good book of his was the one about the writer who gets mixed up
>> with a 'junior-league' mafia guy. I forget the name, but it was very
>> funny. 'Henderson The Rain King' was a bore. Same for 'Mr. Sammler's
>> Planet'. 'Herzog' I could not even finish.
>>

>> It is amazing to me that they gave the Nobel to this writer.
>

>J K Rowling.
>
>hype, hype, hype, hype. Books are ok. But the hype sucks.

Blaming an author for hype is like blaming them for the blurb on the
jacket. Not many write or promote either.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:48:12 -0600, dogbreath
<dogb...@NOSPAMarcticmail.com> ordered a misc.writing pizza with

extra cheese, but got this instead:

>smeg...@erols.com (Alex Jay Berman) wrote:

Okay, so _Dandelion Wine_ wasn't that great, but I kinda liked it.
Why're you basing your opinion of him on *that*, anyway, when ya
coulda picked _The Martian Chronicles_ or _The Illustrated Man_
or _I Sing the Body Electric_ (all of which are much better, IMO)?

dogbreath

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buy...@interlacken.com (Lorrill Buyens) wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:48:12 -0600, dogbreath
><dogb...@NOSPAMarcticmail.com> ordered a misc.writing pizza with
>extra cheese, but got this instead:
>
>>smeg...@erols.com (Alex Jay Berman) wrote:
>>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:02:57 -0600, dogbreath
>>><dogb...@NOSPAMarcticmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>Bradbury and Vonnegut are the two worst authors I've been able to
>>>>think of so far.
>>>
>>>Care to explain why you feel thus?
>>
>>Shitty books, mostly. Breakfast Of Champions blew chunks although
>>they nearly saved it in the movie version. Dandelion Wine wouldn't
>>even make the cut in a high-school writing contest imo. Their grammar
>>is fine, but everything else sucks. I probably couldn't do any
>>better, which is a damned good reason for not bothering (tongue
>>halfway in cheek).
>
>Okay, so _Dandelion Wine_ wasn't that great, but I kinda liked it.
>Why're you basing your opinion of him on *that*, anyway, when ya
>coulda picked _The Martian Chronicles_ or _The Illustrated Man_
>or _I Sing the Body Electric_ (all of which are much better, IMO)?

Geez, you know, I'd forgotten that he wrote The Martian Chronicles and
The Illustrated Man, which both were just as shitty as Dandelion Wine
in their own miserable ways. Arthur C. Clarke is right up there with
them if you ask me, dry boring shit that's scientifically probably
correct but is a total waste of one's reading time.

Hell no, I couldn't do any better, but I do feel they're grossly
overrated. I'd rather sit through Gone With The Wind (easily the most
boring film ever produced) than read any of their works.

mule

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buy...@interlacken.com (Lorrill Buyens) wrote in message
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> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:48:37 +0100, mule
> <NOS...@smeldrum.dircon.co.uk> ordered a misc.writing pizza with extra
> cheese, but got this instead:
>
> >Pavel Litvinoff <pap...@orestes.com> wrote in message
> ><9070bc3408e0ad6f...@remailer.segfault.net>...
> >
> >> Somebody asked about overrated writers? My nomination is Saul Bellow.
> >> Only good book of his was the one about the writer who gets mixed up
> >> with a 'junior-league' mafia guy. I forget the name, but it was very
> >> funny. 'Henderson The Rain King' was a bore. Same for 'Mr. Sammler's
> >> Planet'. 'Herzog' I could not even finish.
> >>
> >> It is amazing to me that they gave the Nobel to this writer.
> >
> >J K Rowling.
> >
> >hype, hype, hype, hype. Books are ok. But the hype sucks.
>
> Blaming an author for hype is like blaming them for the blurb on the
> jacket. Not many write or promote either.

I didn't blame the author for anything. I merely added her to the
list of overrated writers. She has had so much hype and so many
plaudits and well, she ain't that good.

See how that works?

mule
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Bill Tuthill

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Oct 11, 2001, 5:44:01 PM10/11/01
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Whatsamatta, SMW, are you a recovering Canadian?

Any writer who writes more good "boos" than Saul Bellow certainly deserves
the five star ratings ***** he gets on Amazon.com for at least three of
his boos! Viz the Deptford trilogy.

Bruce McGuffin

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adda...@bigpond.com (Arindam Banerjee) writes:

> Any ideas about who should and who should not get the Nobel prize
> for literature? Does it have anything to do with the quality of
> the writing, or the prejudices of the judges?

Yes.

Bruce McGuffin

Alan Hope

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Coming up next, your comments and questions on issues discussed in the
programme, like this one from Arindam Banerjee, calling from
misc.writing:

>Any ideas about who should and who should not get the Nobel prize
>for literature?

I rather fancy V.S. Naipaul this year. Are you running a book
(geddit?)?


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Paul Hartman

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Alan Hope wrote:

I'd rather be running amok. (got it)

> --
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Martin Wisse

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:15:22 +0100, mule <NOS...@smeldrum.dircon.co.uk>
wrote:

She is good enough to get millions of children reading, who would've
never touched a book otherwise.

That's worth quite a bit of hype, never mind that a lot of the "hype"
was instead word of mouth.

Martin Wisse
--
Kings and lords come and go and leave nothing but
statues in a desert, while a couple of young men
tinkering in a worshop change the way the world works.
-Terry Prachett, _The Truth_

Lorrill Buyens

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:15:22 +0100, mule

<NOS...@smeldrum.dircon.co.uk> ordered a misc.writing pizza with extra
cheese, but got this instead:

>buy...@interlacken.com (Lorrill Buyens) wrote in message
><3bc51c01...@news.CIS.DFN.DE>...
>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:48:37 +0100, mule
>> <NOS...@smeldrum.dircon.co.uk> ordered a misc.writing pizza with extra
>> cheese, but got this instead:
>>
>> >Pavel Litvinoff <pap...@orestes.com> wrote in message
>> ><9070bc3408e0ad6f...@remailer.segfault.net>...
>> >
>> >> Somebody asked about overrated writers? My nomination is Saul Bellow.
>> >> Only good book of his was the one about the writer who gets mixed up
>> >> with a 'junior-league' mafia guy. I forget the name, but it was very
>> >> funny. 'Henderson The Rain King' was a bore. Same for 'Mr. Sammler's
>> >> Planet'. 'Herzog' I could not even finish.
>> >>
>> >> It is amazing to me that they gave the Nobel to this writer.
>> >
>> >J K Rowling.
>> >
>> >hype, hype, hype, hype. Books are ok. But the hype sucks.
>>
>> Blaming an author for hype is like blaming them for the blurb on the
>> jacket. Not many write or promote either.
>
>I didn't blame the author for anything. I merely added her to the
>list of overrated writers. She has had so much hype and so many
>plaudits and well, she ain't that good.

*shrug*
My mother an' I would disagree.

Lorrill (Eagerly waiting for book five) Buyens

Lorrill Buyens

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:17:20 -0600, dogbreath

What didn't you like about them?

dogbreath

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buy...@interlacken.com (Lorrill Buyens) wrote:

It's been years so I can't remember anything I *did* like about them.

Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady

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Robert James Waller

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Alan Hope <ah...@skynet.be> wrote in message news:<k7restsbgbr9v4gun...@4ax.com>...

accelerating beyond comprehension (no).

Dr Zen

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Alan Hope <ah...@skynet.be> wrote in message
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> Coming up next, your comments and questions on issues discussed in the
> programme, like this one from Arindam Banerjee, calling from
> misc.writing:
>
> >Any ideas about who should and who should not get the Nobel prize
> >for literature?
>
> I rather fancy V.S. Naipaul this year.

I thought you liked them younger.

It should never have been Naipaul. Still, it goes to show that you can talk
your way into anything. If he was actually as good as he thinks he is, he'd
be well worth it.

Zen

Dr Zen

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doug bassett <dougb...@conectiv.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Pavel Litvinoff" <pap...@orestes.com> wrote in message
> news:9070bc3408e0ad6f...@remailer.segfault.net...

> > Somebody asked about overrated writers? My nomination is Saul Bellow.
> > Only good book of his was the one about the writer who gets mixed up
> > with a 'junior-league' mafia guy. I forget the name, but it was very
> > funny. 'Henderson The Rain King' was a bore. Same for 'Mr. Sammler's
> > Planet'. 'Herzog' I could not even finish.
> >
> > It is amazing to me that they gave the Nobel to this writer.
>
> John Updike, Norman Mailer, Thomas Pynchon, Ann Beattie, Alice Walker,
> Raymond Carver, John Barth -- just off the top of my head.
>

Not enough pictures for you?

Zen


Dr Zen

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Looney <wilyk...@cs.comkillspam> wrote in message
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> I wrote:

> >Belle wrote:
> >>doug bassett <dougb...@conectiv.net> wrote in message
> >>news:9q04t3$6ga$1...@grendel.conectiv.net...
> >>> John Updike, Norman Mailer, Thomas Pynchon, Ann Beattie, Alice Walker,
> >>> Raymond Carver, John Barth -- just off the top of my head.
> >>
> >>Good choices. I'll add Toni Morrison.
> >
> >Doesn't she already have a Nobel?
>
> Oops, sorry... In my obtuseness (obtusity? obtusosity?) I thought you were
> naming folks who shoulda got the Nobel instead of Saul... silly me...
>
> I nominate (for most overrated) or rather I second the nomination of,
Thomas
> Pynchon... And I vehemently disagree with the inclusion of Raymond Carver

You clown. Thomas Pynchon is *canon*, dood.

Zen


Alan Hope

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Coming up next, your comments and questions on issues discussed in the
programme, like this one from Dr Zen, calling from misc.writing:

Hey, you're entitled to your opinion. Mine is, anyone who's
responsible for both House for Mr. Biswas *and* Sir Vidia's Shadow
deserves all the awards going. I'd be happy to have nothing but
Theroux's cry-baby pewling whinge to my credit. What a monster he
created, and he thought the joke was on someone but himself.


--
AH

doug bassett

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"Dr Zen" <dave...@nospamnospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What's the matter ""Dr Zen" -- did I gore some of your sacred cows?

doug

Dr Zen

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Alan Hope <ah...@skynet.be> wrote in message
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Now, that's true. Having Theroux as your worst enemy is worth almost as much
as having gekko as your best friend.

Zen


gekko

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the bop-shoo-bop-shoo-bop, and, furthermore, said:</attrib>

> having gekko

I *told* you, pookies, that there's no chance of that. I
already -have- a sweetie.

--
gekko

One reason to smile is that every seven minutes of every day, someone
in an aerobics class pulls a hamstring.

Philip Innes

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> From: Alan Hope <ah...@skynet.be>

when he was interviewed he was equally startled - but i am an ordinary man!
he said, i take no sides in big literature, but write as i see it from
simply myself

to which the presenter acknowledged this was why he was receiving his award,
being a writer who was not easily categorised as this or that and could
write across realms where even the roaring scions of big advance publishing
could not

some time ago i read an interesting article of Naipaul's about the impact of
writing from original perception

he was writing of dickens and compared two scenes, one from his early
writing, and one from the end - both scenes were of a courtyard

the early one was arresting in that it was pure perception, the latter had
dickens copying his earlier style, and emulating the language of description
that he himself had coined

is it so easy?

Naipaul is 'difficult' because he says the unpopular thing
that early writing is probably the best, and 'learning' less interesting

anyway - i was enjoying his book of essays until an unscroupulous person has
put in her own book stack, somewhere in this house...

in this house, this house that was moved over a hundred years ago, and after
it had already rested a hundred years - what people lived here?


what lovers? what desperados?

cordially, phil

>
> --
> AH

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