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$Zero

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Oct 25, 2009, 3:47:12 PM10/25/09
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the difference between Can and May

"Yes We Can!"

in hindsight, it's an interesting distinction.

utterly fascinating, actually.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/can
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/may

-$Zero...

writing is nothing more than a physical act.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/941cb95bac0e6cf6

Alan Hope

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Oct 27, 2009, 6:08:40 AM10/27/09
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
<zero...@gmail.com> wrote:

>the difference between Can and May
>
> "Yes We Can!"
>
>in hindsight, it's an interesting distinction.
>
>utterly fascinating, actually.
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/can
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/may

Except if one understands the distinction.

If a fully grown man, like some savage just rescued from a desert
island, were to discover this distinction (not a "difference") as if
nobody else had ever thought of it, he might consider it
"fascinating". Then his attention would be distracted by some shiny
object lying on the path, and he would find that fascinating instead,
and so on through the day.


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AH
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$Zero

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Oct 27, 2009, 7:03:47 AM10/27/09
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On Oct 27, 6:08 am, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
>
> <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >the difference between Can and May
>
> >  "Yes We Can!"
>
> >in hindsight, it's an interesting distinction.
>
> >utterly fascinating, actually.
>
> >  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/can
> >  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/may
>
> Except if one understands the distinction.

um, Dimbulb, the "utterly fascinating" thinger occurs when an
intelligent person applies that difference, and it is a difference, to
Obama's famous campaign slogan and then compares it to his actual
performance in office.

it is then that the concept of permission comes in, as well as who's
permission is preventing the can doing.

duh.


> If a fully grown man, like some savage just rescued from a desert
> island, were to discover this distinction (not a "difference") as if
> nobody else had ever thought of it,


[regarding the young boy's urgent request to his teacher
that he be allowed to go to the bathroom... Michael used
the word "can" instead of "may." and after not being able
to learn the difference (no matter how long he was left out
in the hallway by his teacher to think about it--as punishment
for not knowing--and without anything to study in the hallway
except his full bladder) the principal intervenes and contacts
Michael's guardian to come in to school to talk to him about
his boy's inability to learn the difference between the words
'can' and 'may.' when the principal discovers the same lack
of distinction abilities in Michael's grandfather, instead of
articulating the distinction explicitly, the principal says...]

"I don't think you appreciate the subtleties
of the English language, Mr. Krichinsky."
-- Principal Dunn [actor: Ralph Tabakin;
from the movie: "Avalon" (1990)]

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/dad33c4342f7654c

> he might consider it "fascinating".


"in the old days...
if you had to _pee_,
you peed on the tree...
no 'can' or 'may'...
heh... that's progress."
-- Sam Krichinsky
[actor: Armin Mueller-Stahl;
from the movie: "Avalon" (1990)]

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/3c0ff17097b327eb

> Then his attention would be distracted by some shiny
> object lying on the path, and he would find that fascinating
> instead, and so on through the day.

um, thanks for playing, Dimbulb.

-$Zero...

alone.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/81cc9537f2185ce8

john.ku...@sympatico.ca

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Oct 27, 2009, 8:37:14 AM10/27/09
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If you can do the Can-Can, then you may do the Can-Can.
You may want to do the Can-Can, but can you do the Can-Can?

Alan Hope

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Oct 27, 2009, 12:13:35 PM10/27/09
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:03:47 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
<zero...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 27, 6:08�am, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
>>
>> <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >the difference between Can and May
>>
>> > �"Yes We Can!"
>>
>> >in hindsight, it's an interesting distinction.
>>
>> >utterly fascinating, actually.
>>
>> > �http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/can
>> > �http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/may
>>
>> Except if one understands the distinction.
>
>um, Dimbulb, the "utterly fascinating" thinger occurs when an
>intelligent person applies that difference, and it is a difference, to
>Obama's famous campaign slogan and then compares it to his actual
>performance in office.

Which intelligent person would that be?

>it is then that the concept of permission comes in, as well as who's
>permission is preventing the can doing.

Can is not a matter of permission. May is a matter of permission.

>duh.

Every time you say that, it's a sign you don't know what the fuck
you're talking about. Look it up, oh no wait you can't, because you
never know when you're being stupid. It's in the nature of stupid.

>> If a fully grown man, like some savage just rescued from a desert
>> island, were to discover this distinction (not a "difference") as if
>> nobody else had ever thought of it,

> [regarding the young boy's urgent request to his teacher
> that he be allowed to go to the bathroom... Michael used
> the word "can" instead of "may." and after not being able
> to learn the difference (no matter how long he was left out
> in the hallway by his teacher to think about it--as punishment
> for not knowing--and without anything to study in the hallway
> except his full bladder) the principal intervenes and contacts
> Michael's guardian to come in to school to talk to him about
> his boy's inability to learn the difference between the words
> 'can' and 'may.' when the principal discovers the same lack
> of distinction abilities in Michael's grandfather, instead of
> articulating the distinction explicitly, the principal says...]

> "I don't think you appreciate the subtleties
> of the English language, Mr. Krichinsky."
> -- Principal Dunn [actor: Ralph Tabakin;
> from the movie: "Avalon" (1990)]

You certainly don't. You quote a film without even understanding what
it means.


--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Bill Penrose

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Oct 27, 2009, 1:53:24 PM10/27/09
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On Oct 25, 12:47 pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the difference between Can and May

May is the month when you generally don't can anything.

Can is where you put vegetables and fruit for storage.

Can is also an outdoor toilet, which you can't use until May.

DB

$Zero

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Oct 27, 2009, 4:08:12 PM10/27/09
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On Oct 27, 12:13 pm, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:03:47 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
> <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 27, 6:08 am, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
>
> >> <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >the difference between Can and May
>
> >> >  "Yes We Can!"
>
> >> >in hindsight, it's an interesting distinction.
>
> >> >utterly fascinating, actually.
>
> >> >  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/can
> >> >  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/may
>
> >> Except if one understands the distinction.
>
> >um, Dimbulb, the "utterly fascinating" thinger occurs when an
> >intelligent person applies that difference, and it is a difference, to
> >Obama's famous campaign slogan and then compares it to his actual
> >performance in office.
>
> Which intelligent person would that be?

you're certainly disqualified.


> >it is then that the concept of permission comes in, as well as who's
> >permission is preventing the can doing.
>
> Can is not a matter of permission.

can be.

it is in wide usage as a permission seeking word.


> May is a matter of permission.

it can be.

but you may find that it isn't always so.

> >duh.
>
> Every time you say that, it's a sign you don't know what the fuck
> you're talking about.

no, it isn't. duh.

> Look it up, oh no wait you can't, because you
> never know when you're being stupid.

so says the stupid guy who couldn't even grok the meaning of the
original post in this thread, so instead he went on an idiotic lecture-
fest of things of no consequence whatsoever just because he thinks
he's an English scholar, FFS.


> It's in the nature of stupid.

i'll say.

> >> If a fully grown man, like some savage just rescued from a desert
> >> island, were to discover this distinction (not a "difference") as if
> >> nobody else had ever thought of it,
> > [regarding the young boy's urgent request to his teacher
> >  that he be allowed to go to the bathroom... Michael used
> >  the word "can" instead of "may."  and after not being able
> >  to learn the difference (no matter how long he was left out
> >  in the hallway by his teacher to think about it--as punishment
> >  for not knowing--and without anything to study in the hallway
> >  except his full bladder) the principal intervenes and contacts
> >  Michael's guardian to come in to school to talk to him about
> >  his boy's inability to learn the difference between the words
> >  'can' and 'may.'  when the principal discovers the same lack
> >  of distinction abilities in Michael's grandfather, instead of
> >  articulating the distinction explicitly, the principal says...]
> >  "I don't think you appreciate the subtleties
> >   of the English language, Mr. Krichinsky."
> >    -- Principal Dunn [actor: Ralph Tabakin;
> >       from the movie: "Avalon" (1990)]
>
> You certainly don't.

I don't what?

i posted that over ten years ago.

> You quote a film without even understanding what it means.

i understand what it means to me.

"No two persons ever read the same book."
-- Edmund Wilson

> You quote a film without even understanding what it means.

that's certainly rich coming from a Scottish guy English "scholar" who
nervously recites the "Ode to Haggis" *LIVE* and can't even describe
what it means.

-$Zero...

"now class, can anyone tell me
what the difference is between
the words 'can' and 'may'?"
-- Mrs. Parkes
[actor: Sylvia Weinberg; from
the movie: "Avalon" (1990)]

real writers don't give a flying fuck what real writers do.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/9cc5f4136c5d8c3b

Alan Hope

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Oct 28, 2009, 10:51:21 AM10/28/09
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
<zero...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Can is not a matter of permission.
>
>can be.
>
>it is in wide usage as a permission seeking word.

By the ignorant. Like you.


--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Alan Hope

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Oct 28, 2009, 10:52:38 AM10/28/09
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
<zero...@gmail.com> wrote:

>that's certainly rich coming from a Scottish guy English "scholar" who
>nervously recites the "Ode to Haggis" *LIVE* and can't even describe
>what it means.

Not can't. Won't.

Have a nice day, ignoramus.


--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Grand Mal

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Oct 28, 2009, 10:53:42 AM10/28/09
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"Alan Hope" <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
> <zero...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Can is not a matter of permission.
>>
>>can be.

But it may not.

$Zero

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Oct 28, 2009, 11:30:16 AM10/28/09
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On Oct 28, 10:51 am, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
> <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Can is not a matter of permission.
>
> >can be.
>
> >it is in wide usage as a permission seeking word.

translation: language evolves

> >> Can is not a matter of permission.
>
> >can be.
>
> >it is in wide usage as a permission seeking word.
>
> By the ignorant. Like you.

can i be dismissed now?

yes i can!

"in the old days...
if you had to _pee_,
you peed on the tree...
no 'can' or 'may'...
heh... that's progress."
-- Sam Krichinsky
[actor: Armin Mueller-Stahl;

from the movie: "Avalon" (1990)]

"I don't think you appreciate the subtleties
of the English language, Mr. Krichinsky."
-- Principal Dunn [actor: Ralph Tabakin;
from the movie: "Avalon" (1990)]

-$Zero...

that's a nice white flag you're waving
there, albeit tattered and full of snot.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/6d13354e152fb734

$Zero

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Oct 28, 2009, 11:34:54 AM10/28/09
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On Oct 28, 10:52 am, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
>
> <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > that's certainly rich coming from a Scottish guy English "scholar"
> > who nervously recites the "Ode to Haggis" *LIVE* and can't even
> > describe what it means.
>
> Not can't. Won't.

both.

> Have a nice day, ignoramus.

i will, you sniveling two-faced coward.

Skipper

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Oct 28, 2009, 11:36:27 AM10/28/09
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In article <uimge513vnksf1dm7...@4ax.com>, Alan Hope
<usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
> <zero...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Can is not a matter of permission.
> >
> >can be.
> >
> >it is in wide usage as a permission seeking word.
>
> By the ignorant. Like you.

May is a month preceding summer.

Can is where Hopeless does all his "thinking."

Alan Hope

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Oct 29, 2009, 8:49:36 PM10/29/09
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
<zero...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 28, 10:51�am, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
>> <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Can is not a matter of permission.
>>
>> >can be.
>>
>> >it is in wide usage as a permission seeking word.
>
>translation: language evolves

Translation: people, including you, ignore distinctions in meaning and
use words wrongly.

That's not evolution, that's ignorance.

>> >> Can is not a matter of permission.
>>
>> >can be.
>>
>> >it is in wide usage as a permission seeking word.
>>
>> By the ignorant. Like you.
>
>can i be dismissed now?
>
>yes i can!
>
> "in the old days...
> if you had to _pee_,
> you peed on the tree...
> no 'can' or 'may'...
> heh... that's progress."
> -- Sam Krichinsky
> [actor: Armin Mueller-Stahl;
> from the movie: "Avalon" (1990)]
>
> "I don't think you appreciate the subtleties
> of the English language, Mr. Krichinsky."
> -- Principal Dunn [actor: Ralph Tabakin;
> from the movie: "Avalon" (1990)]
>
>-$Zero...
>
> that's a nice white flag you're waving
> there, albeit tattered and full of snot.
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/6d13354e152fb734

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Alan Hope

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Oct 29, 2009, 8:50:32 PM10/29/09
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Now we see what Lloyd is dreaming about when he's not dreaming haunted
dreams about the girlfriend who killed herself, whose links to his
cult he helped cover up.


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AH
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$Zero

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Oct 29, 2009, 11:04:23 PM10/29/09
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On Oct 29, 8:49 pm, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
> <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 28, 10:51 am, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in misc.writing "$Zero"
> >> <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Can is not a matter of permission.
>
> >> >can be.
>
> >> >it is in wide usage as a permission seeking word.
>
> >translation: language evolves
>
> Translation: people, including you, ignore distinctions in meaning
> and use words wrongly.
>
> That's not evolution, that's ignorance.

are you back for more well-deserved abuse on the subtle distinctions
of the English language, FFS?

so be it.

ok, first, look up the word evolution, Dimbulb.

digest that for awhile.

i shall now turn my attention to your utter nonsense about "less"
verses "fewer" in another thread.


> >> >> Can is not a matter of permission.
>
> >> >can be.
>
> >> >it is in wide usage as a permission seeking word.
>
> >> By the ignorant. Like you.
>
> >can i be dismissed now?
>
> >yes i can!
>
> >  "in the old days...
> >   if you had to _pee_,
> >   you peed on the tree...
> >   no 'can' or 'may'...
> >   heh...  that's progress."
> >    -- Sam Krichinsky
> >       [actor: Armin Mueller-Stahl;
> >        from the movie: "Avalon" (1990)]
>
> >  "I don't think you appreciate the subtleties
> >   of the English language, Mr. Krichinsky."
> >    -- Principal Dunn [actor: Ralph Tabakin;
> >       from the movie: "Avalon" (1990)]
>
> >-$Zero...
>
> >  that's a nice white flag you're waving
> >  there, albeit tattered and full of snot.
> >  http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/6d13354e152fb734

-$Zero...

this post contains no metaphors (or analogies)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/b73277e21728d46d

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