what we imagine people look like
Michael or Karen Morrione
>To turn this into a thread, I have a few questions:
>1) What personality (or mental, or social) types go with what
>physical characteristics, in your mind? I'm looking for notions like
>"cerebral people have gray eyes" (which has nothing to do with reality)
>rather than "working-class people have calloused hands" (which is
>suggested by the reality of their lives).
redheads are passionate (a classic cliche); brunettes are serious;
tall people are awkward, women with very short hair are butch (oddly
enough, this one was borne out for me by a friend of mine, who, when
her hair was very short, was much more aggressive and tough than she
is now that her hair is longer again...or at least, it appeared that
way to me...)
>2) If you feel you "know" me well enough to guess, what do you think I
>look like? Do you base this impression on my name, or on my personality,
>or both? Once I get a fair number of answers, I'll tell you what the Net
>consensus has been about what I look like, in my 5 years on the Net, and
>also what I *do* look like. (The point of this is to reveal a little more
>about our assumptions.)
I would bet you have grey eyes; are between 5'6" and 5'8"; and are
elegant in manner and dress. Somewhat reserved, though, and you
probably don't smile a great deal...
>3) Is there anyone on misc.writing about whom you have a *strong*
>impression of what they look like, despite knowing nothing about the
>reality of their appearance? (I realize this is an invitation to
>make up funny images for Jack Mingo or whomever, but try to make it
>clear whether you're joking or serious...)
When all the Atlantans met over the weekend, I realized that none of
them looked like I expected them to. I saw Robin Carroll as a blonde;
she is not. Erin is gamine; I don't know what I expected her to be,
but not this. Actually, only Dave Newton came close (but not very) to
what I expected him to look like, in that he is dark and somewhat
dangerous in appearance ( I do love that in a man; comes of reading
too much Georgette Heyer in my formative years...)
As for Mingo, I envision him being a real teddy bear of a guy; big,
burly, and bearded in suspenders, tie dye and faded blue jeans. Kind
of the Jerrry Garcia of misc.writing. So naturally, he is probably
actually small and dapper, with a David Niven mustache and suits
straight from Savile Row.
This is fun, Fiona. Thanks for thinking of it...
KPM
KPM
_____________________________________________________
So we pass, with a gusto and a heartiness that to an
onlooker would seem almost pathetic, from one droll
devotion to another misshapen passion; and who shall
dare to play Rhadamanthus, to appraise the record, and
to decide how much of it is solid achievement, and how
much the merest child's play? Kenneth Grahame, The Golden
Age
Michael or Karen Morrione
>Go straight to http://enterzone.berkeley.edu/ez/authors/mingo.html.
Following your advice, I found a picture of my hero, Gumby.
Obviously, Jack Mingo is a pseudonym he's using in order to be taken
seriously by the publishing powers-that-be. I can only applaud his
brilliance. What I want to know is, who is the goofy guy in glasses
standing next to him, and why is he important?
youngblood
Do not pass "GO" ... do not collect dead pre$ident$.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Christina Bronnestam
This was a funny thread.
Actually it had not struck me before I read this, that I usually invent a
face to the name behind a posting.
Some years ago a man phoned me for a business talk.
He was quite irritating, and he also wrote a couple of mails and every time
I saw them I sighed: oh no, not him again.
Then, later, on a big seminar, I suddenly heard a familiar voice behind me.
There he was!
I watched him secretly - and discovered that he was an awfully handsome young man,
not at all that middle-aged, bald-headed person I had imagined...
I never revealed my identity to him, but I went home with a quite
long face. If I had known what he looked like, I would have been a bit more...
yes, nice...
To Fiona's questions:
1) I have described one of my own characters, a happy, charming young man,
as tall, skinny, with curly hair and a very big mouth. Everybody should
understand that he is self-confident and has a sense of humour. Or?
A femme fatale with sexual appetite, also very self-confident and
independent, has a big curvy body and very red lips (no lipstick).
The Knight of Justice has hair that looks like a golden helmet and blue
eyes, and he never appears unshaved after sunrise. (I know, He-Man)
The unsecure young girl has very thin legs and stockings that are sagging.
The humourless pedant has a perfectly trimmed little beard,
pale skin and stiff carriage.
The stupid boy has colourless hair, a clumsy body, light-coloured
eyes and a taste for sweets.
The too intelligent but dangerous young man is very pale and has very dark eyes.
2) You, Fiona, don't you have brown hair to your shoulders and grey eyes?
And you do not speak too loud, do you? Tidy desk and eats healthy food.
3) I have been very generous in my imaginations. I think Mingo looks like Kevin
Costner, Deck like Sean Connery and Santiago just like Al Pacino, having a shirt
with short sleeves and jeans.
... yes, I am a writer, I am imaginative...
Are there any Johnny Depp-look-alikes out there? Drop me a line!
(Sorry, I seem to have difficulties being serious in this posting)
... for myself, I am a young Swedish woman. Any guesses? Prejudicies?
(Hint: I have German ancestors. I love the scent of lavender and the taste of
Earl Grey tea.
Now everybody knows exactly, don't you?)
/Christina
In article <4613gh$h98...@newsreader.digex.net>, f...@access.digex.net (Fiona Webster) writes:
<snipp>
>
> It seems to me, these sorts of assumptions are important to fiction
> writers. A fiction writer has a choice to have her character's physical
> characteristics correspond to her personality type or to what their name
> suggests, or, alternatively, to have their physical characteristics run
> against the grain of either their personality or their name.
>
> To turn this into a thread, I have a few questions:
>
> 1) What personality (or mental, or social) types go with what
> physical characteristics, in your mind? I'm looking for notions like
> "cerebral people have gray eyes" (which has nothing to do with reality)
> rather than "working-class people have calloused hands" (which is
> suggested by the reality of their lives).
>
> 2) If you feel you "know" me well enough to guess, what do you think I
> look like? Do you base this impression on my name, or on my personality,
> or both? Once I get a fair number of answers, I'll tell you what the Net
> consensus has been about what I look like, in my 5 years on the Net, and
> also what I *do* look like. (The point of this is to reveal a little more
> about our assumptions.)
>
> 3) Is there anyone on misc.writing about whom you have a *strong*
> impression of what they look like, despite knowing nothing about the
> reality of their appearance? (I realize this is an invitation to
> make up funny images for Jack Mingo or whomever, but try to make it
> clear whether you're joking or serious...)
>
> --Fiona
Hound of Cullen
[big snip, right to question #2]
This is another good thread idea, Fiona.
> 2) If you feel you "know" me well enough to guess, what do you think I
> look like? Do you base this impression on my name, or on my personality,
> or both? Once I get a fair number of answers, I'll tell you what the Net
> consensus has been about what I look like, in my 5 years on the Net, and
> also what I *do* look like. (The point of this is to reveal a little more
> about our assumptions.)
I don't have a strong impression of your looks. I see you as having dark
blond hair and an open, friendly face. Thin nose, wide mouth, beyond
that, I don't have any real impression. I seem to focus on the mouths of
the people here (Dr. Freud?) probably because I "hear" each of you as I
read your posts. I envision you speaking, so I get an impression of your
mouth.
>
> 3) Is there anyone on misc.writing about whom you have a *strong*
> impression of what they look like, despite knowing nothing about the
> reality of their appearance? (I realize this is an invitation to
> make up funny images for Jack Mingo or whomever, but try to make it
> clear whether you're joking or serious...)
The only person I have a really _strong impression of is Chris
McLaughlin. I see her as in her mid 30's, with dark, curly hair and
fairly large, blue eyes. She has a fairly wide face, strong eyebrows, a
"pert" nose (short, turned up a bit at the end), and a full-lipped mouth.
I always see her wearing a dark sweater and faded jeans. She's shortish,
5'3 to 5'5, with wide shoulders and a full figure. (I'm probably totally
off-base, but that's how I see her).
Well, I don't want to go on too long, so I leave the rest to someone else.
Hound
straydog
: 3) Is there anyone on misc.writing about whom you have a *strong*
: impression of what they look like, despite knowing nothing about the
: reality of their appearance? (I realize this is an invitation to
: make up funny images for Jack Mingo or whomever, but try to make it
: clear whether you're joking or serious...)
For some reason I have strong image of Hound as a tall lanky, red haired
person.
Which would make his canine persona an Irish Setter.
Anna Banana
And the mind is a terrible thing to have wasted.
Chris McLaughlin
>In article <4613gh$h98...@newsreader.digex.net>, f...@access.digex.net
>
>> 3) Is there anyone on misc.writing about whom you have a *strong*
>> impression of what they look like, despite knowing nothing about the
>> reality of their appearance? (I realize this is an invitation to
>> make up funny images for Jack Mingo or whomever, but try to make it
>> clear whether you're joking or serious...)
>
>McLaughlin. I see her as in her mid 30's, with dark, curly hair and
>fairly large, blue eyes. She has a fairly wide face, strong eyebrows, a
>"pert" nose (short, turned up a bit at the end), and a full-lipped mouth.
>I always see her wearing a dark sweater and faded jeans. She's shortish,
>5'3 to 5'5, with wide shoulders and a full figure. (I'm probably totally
>off-base, but that's how I see her).
Hmm. The face is close, though my eyes are green and my lips are not
particularly full. I've got long brownish blondish hair, which I usually
wear in a French braid and am planning to chop off. 5'6, wide shoulders,
figure of the type that used to be fondly called hour-glass. Dark sweater
and faded jeans nails it (though at work, I wear less faded black jeans
and hope to god nobody notices). I look like a cross between Kim
Bassinger, gone far to seed, and the Campbell's soup kid before she got
her upscale image. Or so I've been told.
Now, Anna Banana is just impossibly cute, and I hate her for it. Mussy
brown hair, thin, compelling in a wistful way.
Fiona, well, except for her great skin, I can't see her face behind those
glasses, but I love her long wool challis skirts and expensive shoes --
which she often replaces with an old barn jacket and rubber boots for
tending her garden (which looks a hell'uva lot better than my garden!)
Chris
JMingo
>Following your advice, I found a picture of my hero, Gumby.
>Obviously, Jack Mingo is a pseudonym he's using in order to be taken
>seriously by the publishing powers-that-be. I can only applaud his
>brilliance. What I want to know is, who is the goofy guy in glasses
>standing next to him, and why is he important?
Pokey after his nose job, of course.
Jack (Please don't call me "Clay" any more; since I joined the Green
Muslims, I've become "Gumby X") Mingo
ig...@gate.net
> .... yes, I am a writer, I am imaginative...
> Are there any Johnny Depp-look-alikes out there? Drop me a line!
Yep. I look just like Johnny Dep.
Eliska
> (Sorry, I seem to have difficulties being serious in this posting)
Me, too.
straydog
turned up too high):
: Hmm. The face is close, though my eyes are green and my lips are not
: particularly full. I've got long brownish blondish hair, which I usually
: wear in a French braid and am planning to chop off. 5'6, wide shoulders,
: figure of the type that used to be fondly called hour-glass. Dark sweater
: and faded jeans nails it (though at work, I wear less faded black jeans
: and hope to god nobody notices). I look like a cross between Kim
: Bassinger, gone far to seed, and the Campbell's soup kid before she got
: her upscale image. Or so I've been told.
Strange, I pictured you with short dark hair. But you are tall like I
thought. And because I imagined you squaring your shoulders while you
post, the wide shoulders fit into my image. Campbell's soup kid? Don't
know from that child. But I thought Sigourney Weaver. Good. I always
thought she needed a few more pounds.
: Now, Anna Banana is just impossibly cute, and I hate her for it. Mussy
: brown hair, thin, compelling in a wistful way.
Don't hate me because I'm cute. I look like a short, scrawny Anais Nin
on a bad hair day. (I'm not joking). But nose is too long to be wistful.
Maybe plaintive. I always wanted to be tall and shapely.
I've already told Hound that I'm not yellow and bent.
Anna Banana
ig...@gate.net
>
> >redheads are passionate (a classic cliche); brunettes are serious;
which is why I keep trying to dye my hair red and escape from serious ash brown
> Guessing others on MW:
>
> >When all the Atlantans met over the weekend, I realized that none of
> >them looked like I expected them to.
> and had seen Dave's pic to go up on my web page
And you still got close to him?,
> >As for Mingo, I envision him being a real teddy bear of a guy; big,
> >burly, and bearded in suspenders, tie dye and faded blue jeans
That description fits Woody
> Women:
Don't forget the big bosomed brigade. No mention of any of them yet
> >This is fun, Fiona. Thanks for thinking of it...
>
> As usual, Fiona has given us another great post to repond to.
>
> Erin
>
> >KPM
Ditto!!!!
Eliska
ig...@gate.net
> And the mind is a terrible thing to have wasted.
There are days, in my business, when we just shake our heads and sigh, "A mind is a terrible
thing>"
Eliska
James Gardner
Well, he may be Gumby. According to Flo and Eddie, on the
Gumby album, "We're All Gumby."
James A. "Flexible? Heck, I'm Gumby." Gardner
wot...@mace.cc.purdue.edu
Chris McLaughlin
On 18 Oct 1995 ig...@gate.net wrote:
>
> Don't forget the big bosomed brigade. No mention of any of them yet
>
And just who might they be? And just what might they be like?
Girl, you aren't making the mistake of
assuming a correlation in any direction between breast size and brain
size, are you? I mean, breasts just _are_. Those of us who have them are
cursed with having to take out second mortgages to buy our bras, which
are engineered by guys who build bridges in their spare time,
while those of you who don't
can buy silly little doll bandages at K mart for $3.99. Or not. Otherwise,
what's the difference?
Speaking from behind, and above, and around certain portable compendious
oceans which you might never notice, thanks to those big black sweaters,
Chris (For me, Igloo has quite another meaning entirely. And quit staring
at my sternum -- oh, you're not looking at my sternum?)
Margaret Young
: impression of what they look like, despite knowing nothing about the
: reality of their appearance? (I realize this is an invitation to
: make up funny images for Jack Mingo or whomever, but try to make it
: clear whether you're joking or serious...)
Cool. I presume, of course, that this is really an essay thread. <g>
I have some vague impressions of people.
Mingo--medium-tall, medium weight, slightly greying brown hair.
somewhat rounded features.
Vincent--medium-brown hair, collar-length. Fairly tall, broad-shouldered,
no frills, wears neutrals.
Melanie--a blonde--something which has since been confirmed.
Jenna--tall, thin, wiry, somewhat weathered face, long brownish-red hair.
angular features
erin--small, slender, brown-haired--actually rather gamine as described.
Alexander Von Thorn--somewhat short, thin, with glasses--I think it's
because he's mentioned working in a bookstore.
Bill Lovell--cheerful face, thinning hair, wears a suit
Billo--portly, balding, very, very correct posture, tall.
Liza--strong features, dark-haired, wears a lot of black
Deck--wiry, brownish-greying hair, slightly long features, a bit
shaggy.
Judge--tall, sturdy, grey haired with glasses. Wears pullovers and cords.
Eliska--striking, likes black, a bit voluptuous. Straight hair, but no
definite color.
AND
Fiona--forties, short hair that's natural or tastefully colored a dark
blonde or slightly red. Medium height, thin, tailored clothes, attractive
fairly small features. Alert, watchful manner.
You know, I never realized to what degree I sketched in pix for
posters.
margaret (and just what do I look like?)
: --Fiona
ig...@gate.net
>
>
> On 18 Oct 1995 ig...@gate.net wrote:
> >
> > Don't forget the big bosomed brigade. No mention of any of them yet
> And just who might they be? And just what might they be like?
A group of women, who responded to me probably on emai,l when we were discussing
boobies,wee wees, bubbies and dick fellers.
>
> Girl, you aren't making the mistake of
> assuming a correlation in any direction between breast size and brain
> size, are you? I mean, breasts just _are_
Weeell, I've got a big bra size and a high IQ
Those of us who have them are
> cursed with having to take out second mortgages to buy our bras, which
> are engineered by guys who build bridges in their spare time,
> while those of you who don't
> can buy silly little doll bandages at K mart for $3.99. Or not. Otherwise,
> what's the difference?
Try Playtex 18 hr jobbies at the same outlet (ChezMart). Not 3.99, but at least not likely to
increase your personal debt beyond the national debt.
>
> Speaking from behind, and above, and around certain portable compendious
> oceans which you might never notice, thanks to those big black sweaters,
Not in sweltering Florida. ALthough black T-shirts can help.
> Chris (For me, Igloo has quite another meaning entirely. And quit staring
> at my sternum -- oh, you're not looking at my sternum?)
Hello, helloooo. My face is up here.
Eliska (all I ever really wanted in life was a comfortable bra)
Kathy Vincent
: Jack (Please don't call me "Clay" any more; since I joined the Green
: Muslims, I've become "Gumby X") Mingo
But Y ?
--
Kathy Vincent
vinc...@wfu.edu
http://www.wfu.edu/~vincentk
Jensen
>
>Jack (Morose, mid-forties, brown hair, green eyes, medium, not
>particularly thin, and I don't even own a black shirt) Mingo
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yet . . . it was going to be a surprise.
jen
A. Borodin
== Those of us who have them are
== > cursed with having to take out second mortgages to buy our bras
----------------------------------
Makes you think. Why on earth do women want big breasts? (All big
breasts do is give you sore nipples, strap marks, and backaches.... and
they sag by the time you're 20)
If men love generous breasts, why are small breasts so prevalent in
literature? Seems to me that a strangely large number of heroines are
described as having small breasts. Is this so male readers don't view
them sexually?
*Do* most men love big breasts?
======================================
A. Borodin
Myortvie bistra puteshestuyut
=====================================
Lori M. Hahnel
Michael or Karen Morrione <morr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>youngblood <star...@io.com> wrote:
>
>>Go straight to http://enterzone.berkeley.edu/ez/authors/mingo.html.
>
I don't know. Myself, I always pictured Jack Mingo looking quite a bit
like Jerry Garcia. With maybe a little bit of Mr. Natural thrown in.
--- Lori
Dotti Enderle
Maybe it's because he's name is Jack, but I always picture him as the CEO
of Jack in the Box. But then that would be "clown head" instead of "goat
head." The guy does have a great bod though.
Dotti
> --- Lori
Wayne C. Wood
#Karen or Michael writes:
#
#>Following your advice, I found a picture of my hero, Gumby.
#>Obviously, Jack Mingo is a pseudonym he's using in order to be taken
#>seriously by the publishing powers-that-be. I can only applaud his
#>brilliance. What I want to know is, who is the goofy guy in glasses
#>standing next to him, and why is he important?
#
#Pokey after his nose job, of course.
#
dang! (and likewise gosh, darn, & bloody) i thought it was a foto of jack (on
the left, as usual) and bill gates (on the right, how appropriate)...
-- woody
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government." Thomas Jefferson
Allan Izen -- DOH - Food and Drug Branch
: Weeell, I've got a big bra size and a high IQ
High IQ, too.
Wayne C. Wood
sc...@cornell.edu (A. Borodin ) wrote:
#In article <466h6k$p...@news.gate.net>, ig...@gate.net wrote:
#
#If men love generous breasts, why are small breasts so prevalent in
#literature? Seems to me that a strangely large number of heroines are
#described as having small breasts. Is this so male readers don't view
#them sexually?
#
#*Do* most men love big breasts?
#
they are.... interesting... but speaking strictly for myself, anything more
than can be cupped lovingly in a single hand is a bit much.
of course, some men have larger hands than others :-)
Dotti Enderle
someone who is looking us in the eyes.
Dotti
Miss Lee
>There are no eyes on the internet. We can say things we may never say to
>someone who is looking us in the eyes.
I concur. I enjoy this aspect and have any number of correspondents whom I
will probably never meet, and that's both sad and good. Some of these folks
know more about me than my face-to-face friends, and I'm not sure I ever
really want to meet 'em.
Also, on a lighter note, anyone remember the following cartoon? It showed a
dog sitting at a computer, with the caption, "On the Internet, no one knows
if you're a dog." :-)
Miss Lee
ig...@gate.net
> they are.... interesting... but speaking strictly for myself, anything more
> than can be cupped lovingly in a single hand is a bit much.
>
> of course, some men have larger hands than others :-)
Love those men with big. . . er. . hands
Eliska
*****************************************************
All I ever wanted in life was a comfortable bra,
******************************************************
Wayne C. Wood
NZU...@prodigy.com (Dotti Enderle) wrote:
#There are no eyes on the internet. We can say things we may never say to
#someone who is looking us in the eyes.
#
#Dotti
#
and some of us are far more polite on the net than we ever are in person...
(you call this a program spec? it's f**king garbage! the damn thing is barely
coherent!)
yes, i'm loved by my co-workers
K.Est
: Jenna--tall, thin, wiry, somewhat weathered face, long brownish-red hair.
: angular features
My mental picture of Jenna has always been coloured by the fact that the only
place I've ever encountered the name before is on Blakes7 (sic), a
wonderful late 1970s British sf show.
Nicola
Kathy Vincent
: ... I think Mingo looks like Kevin Costner,
: Deck like Sean Connery and Santiago just like Al Pacino, ...
Really? I have entirely different pictures in my head.
I've seen photos of Mingo, but before I saw the photos,
I imagined him as rather flat and blank and very white --
except for this allover grid and some letters and numbers
and little coloured disks. I picture Deck as a giant redwood
(lots of bytes to the bark and a bit rough around the trunk),
and Santiago as a saltwater acquarium with lots of deep
blues and greens.
Jenna C. Thomas-McKie
>women. I agree with you Karen, that the women I've known who have
>cut their hair short, do sort of become more aggressive. I'm not sure
>why, but it happens to me to a certain degree.
I've noticed that with me, too. It also happens that I become more
confident/aggressive when I'm wearing contact lenses instead of glasses. I
think it has something to do with being able to hide behind the hair/glasses,
whereas I'm right out there with my bare face to the world with short hair and
contacts.
Then again, it could be the Ellen Barkin/_Switch_ syndrome - "How can I think
with all this hair?!" - when it's long, I'm always pushing it out of my face,
blowing the bangs out of my eyes. I'm always self-conscious of how it looks,
because I've spent so much time fussing with it. When it's short, I don't
have to worry about it, so I have more time to concentrate on what I consider
to be important.
Last, but certainly not least, could be the fact that the last time I had long
hair, I was doing my best to look like a Barbie doll and came close
to succeeding. People's perceptions of me were skewed. I could say the
bitchiest things and people would just laugh at me and say, "Oh, isn't she
cute?" I seemed totally non-threatening.
On the other hand, when I cut my hair a couple of years ago, I went super
short. Someone who saw me holding hands with my boyfriend asked if
we were a gay couple. (What could I say? "Yes, we're very happy.") Someone
who saw me sans boyfriend asked if I was a lesbian. (I pretended not to hear
the question.) But I have to assume that they were threatened by their
inability to determine my sexuality at a glance, and their hostility
translates into me seeming more aggressive.
Jenna (FWIW, anyway) Thomas-McKie
jth...@ac.edu
Apurimac
Fiona wrote:
>1) What personality (or mental, or social) types go with what
>physical characteristics, in your mind? I'm looking for notions like
>"cerebral people have gray eyes" (which has nothing to do with reality)
>rather than "working-class people have calloused hands" (which is
>suggested by the reality of their lives).
How about the typical dumb blondes situation? I hate that because I've
always been a natural blonde. I like the jokes, though. :-)
I have this odd tendency to think of women with naturally curly long,
usually brown, hair as being creative. Don't know where that one came
from.
>2) If you feel you "know" me well enough to guess, what do you think I
>look like? Do you base this impression on my name, or on my personality,
>or both? Once I get a fair number of answers, I'll tell you what the Net
>consensus has been about what I look like, in my 5 years on the Net, and
>also what I *do* look like. (The point of this is to reveal a little
more
>about our assumptions.)
Well, after reading M.W over the summer I can tell you what picture I have
in mind when I read your posts: I see a "willowy" natural blond with fair
skin a grey eyes. I imagine that your eyes flash when you get angry (and
that's not the writer in me--I've seen it happen). I really will be
interested
to hear about the real you.
>3) Is there anyone on misc.writing about whom you have a *strong*
>impression of what they look like, despite knowing nothing about the
>reality of their appearance? (I realize this is an invitation to
>make up funny images for Jack Mingo or whomever, but try to make it
>clear whether you're joking or serious...)
Well, we checked out the picture of Mingo with Gumby and were very
surprised. We expected him to have dark hair, but I know I thought he'd
be a much bigger guy (but then maybe Gumby was dwarving him). I
just expected him to look more like an ex-football player I guess. Oh,
well!
Don't you just hate it when your fantasies are dashed? ;-)
Ericka (Duncan)
Apur...@aol.com
Jenna C. Thomas-McKie
>I have some vague impressions of people.
>Jenna--tall, thin, wiry, somewhat weathered face, long brownish-red hair.
>angular features
You got the hair color right, anyway. :) But I appreciate the thought.
That's what I'd look like, if I could choose. Anyone else care to take a
guess? Especially now that I've dropped a few hints in another thread or two?
>margaret (and just what do I look like?)
Hmmmm. Brunette, with maybe a touch of premature salt and pepper at the
temples. Your hair is casually styled, shortish, maybe collar length, and
curly. Wire-rimmed glasses in silver. Hazel eyes that wrinkle slightly in
the corners from an abundance of laughter. Medium complexion. About 5'5",
5'6", not thin but not fat. Fit, somewhat muscular, but not totally athletic,
either.
How'd I do? :)
Jenna
jth...@ac.edu
Cynthia Barnes
>Then again, it could be the Ellen Barkin/_Switch_ syndrome - "How can I think
>with all this hair?!" - when it's long, I'm always pushing it out of my face,
>blowing the bangs out of my eyes. I'm always self-conscious of how it looks,
>because I've spent so much time fussing with it. When it's short, I don't
>have to worry about it, so I have more time to concentrate on what I consider
>to be important.
From the "exception that proves the rule" files.....
When my hair was halfway down my back, it was MUCH easier to care for, lots of
trouble to comb but after that.... just a headband or ponytail and off I went.
Now that it's short, if I don't do something it just hangs flat on my head. So
it's actually MORE of a fuss.
Considering going bald,
Cyn
Write Stuff Productions
Erin
I think it's all of these things for me as well. Even when it was
long and I would pile it on my head, people would see that as being
cutsy, and never take me seriously. People do take me a little more
seriously now that it's short. I guess it's more of a matter of fact
look.
Your best point is that I can no longer hide behind the hair
literally, or the image. This is a good feeling, and has helped me
see that I, as a person, have much to offer.
Interesting, isn't it? Thanks, again to Fiona for starting all of
this.
Erin
jth...@admin.ac.edu (Jenna C. Thomas-McKie) wrote:
>lad...@scott.net (Erin) writes:
>>women. I agree with you Karen, that the women I've known who have
>>cut their hair short, do sort of become more aggressive. I'm not sure
>>why, but it happens to me to a certain degree.
>I've noticed that with me, too. It also happens that I become more
>confident/aggressive when I'm wearing contact lenses instead of glasses. I
>think it has something to do with being able to hide behind the hair/glasses,
>whereas I'm right out there with my bare face to the world with short hair and
>contacts.
>Then again, it could be the Ellen Barkin/_Switch_ syndrome - "How can I think
>with all this hair?!" - when it's long, I'm always pushing it out of my face,
>blowing the bangs out of my eyes. I'm always self-conscious of how it looks,
>because I've spent so much time fussing with it. When it's short, I don't
>have to worry about it, so I have more time to concentrate on what I consider
>to be important.
>Last, but certainly not least, could be the fact that the last time I had long
youngblood
>Well, we checked out the picture of Mingo with Gumby and were very
>surprised. We expected him to have dark hair, but I know I thought >he'd be a much bigger guy (but then maybe Gumby was dwarving him). I
>just expected him to look more like an ex-football player I guess. Oh,
>well!
>Don't you just hate it when your fantasies are dashed? ;-)
I try to preserve my illusions at all costs. Life is a lot less painful
that way. :)
young(but then I think Headless Jack is just cute as a button)blood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
"What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away"
http://www.asi.org/ http://www.tlrc.com/
http://motorcycle.com/mo/mcmuseum/dt-chief.html
S or L Benbow
Thomas-McKie) writes:
>
>lad...@scott.net (Erin) writes:
>
>>women. I agree with you Karen, that the women I've known who have
>>cut their hair short, do sort of become more aggressive. I'm not
sure
>>why, but it happens to me to a certain degree.
>
I don't know about you, but every time my husband shaves his head, he
turns into Mr. Skinhead, right down to the need for conflict and the
confederate flag boxers...
NightMare
youngblood
>I've always taken a woman cutting her hair short as a sign of, "I'm >taking myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me=
alone." >It seems like women as a class cut their hair after they break up, get >a divorce, have a baby or hit "a certain age" wher=
e they no longer feel >like they want to be combatants in the male-female skirmishes (for >example, hitting 40).
I finally cut my hair after it was ruined by a perm. I didn't cut all of it, though ... I kept an awesome tail in the back. From t=
he front I look like one person, from the back I appear to be another. I kinda like that. ;) It suits my multiple personalities.
Now, what does all this mean, Oh Wise One?
youngblood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
"I like your style, I think it's marvelous, but I'm always wrong so
how can I tell ...?"
Engkent
>I've always taken a woman cutting her hair short as a sign of, "I'm taking
>myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me alone." It seems
>like women as a class cut their hair after they break up, get a divorce,
>have a baby or hit "a certain age" where they no longer feel like they
>want to be combatants in the male-female skirmishes (for example, hitting
>40).
Oh, dear. And I cut my long hair on my 20th birthday. I guess I took myself
out of the running a little early. Of course, shortly afterwards I met the man
I married.
But seriously (I know--I should never follow up on one of Jack's posts
seriously), I don't like this assumption that women with short hair are not
feminine. I have 2 young daughters; one wears her hair very long and the other
prefers short hair. The one with short hair is often teased by classmates
("Are you a boy?"). There is a lot of peer pressure for girls to have long
hair. I admire my daughter for not giving in to it.
Lucia
JMingo
>I finally cut my hair after it was ruined by a perm.
>I didn't cut all of it, though ... I kept an awesome
>tail in the back. From the front I look like one
>person, from the back I appear to be another. I kinda
>like that. ;) It suits my multiple personalities.
>
>Now, what does all this mean, Oh Wise One?
It reminds me of Linus, thirty years ago, back when the Peanuts comic
strip was funny and wise, who only shined the front of his shoes,
explaining something like: "I only care about the impression I make when
enter a room--why do I care what people think as I leave?"
The question is: Why do you want people to think you're tough from the
front, and sensual from the back? So they'll approach unwarily..and you
can then bite them? Or to scare partners into going along with a
preference for sexual positions reminiscent of le style of le dogge
(pardone mon French)?
Jack (Get back, Jack!) Mingo
Hound of Cullen
Michael or Karen Morrione <morr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>youngblood <star...@io.com> wrote:
>
>>Go straight to http://enterzone.berkeley.edu/ez/authors/mingo.html.
>
I've figured it out! If you combine "Mingo" with "Gumby" you get
"Gumbo!" Now, gumbo is a _stew, right? So Mingo is _really Dinty Moore!
Hound (and I saw Elvis this weekend, too) of Cullen
Christina Bronnestam
"at a certain age". When you grow older, your hair might fall off - even
if you are a woman. A way to save what could be saved, is to keep the hair very short.
If you should keep your hair long, it must be shiny(or beautifully grey) and thick. There are some lucky women with thick hair who never cuts it
short, but they are not many. Most of us - sigh - have to use the scissors
sooner or later, if we do not want to look like the witch in the wood.
So, cutting your hair might not be a way to leave "the running in the sexual
arena", on the contrary...
/Christina (with long hair)
PS. I do not, of course, mean that this is why every woman cuts her hair.
It just could be one of the reasons.
In article <46hslb$j...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jmi...@aol.com (JMingo) writes:
> I've always taken a woman cutting her hair short as a sign of, "I'm taking
> myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me alone." It seems
> like women as a class cut their hair after they break up, get a divorce,
> have a baby or hit "a certain age" where they no longer feel like they
> want to be combatants in the male-female skirmishes (for example, hitting
> 40).
>
> Jack (don't tease my hair and I won't rat on yours) Mingo
Guy Zebrick
c67...@showme.missouri.edu (Cynthia Barnes) writes:
>
>In article <jthomas.14...@admin.ac.edu> jth...@admin.ac.edu
(Jenna C. Thomas-McKie) writes:
>
>>Then again, it could be the Ellen Barkin/_Switch_ syndrome - "How can
I think
>>with all this hair?!" - when it's long, I'm always pushing it out of
my face,
>>blowing the bangs out of my eyes. I'm always self-conscious of how
it looks,
>>because I've spent so much time fussing with it. When it's short, I
don't
>>have to worry about it, so I have more time to concentrate on what I
consider
>>to be important.
>
>When my hair was halfway down my back, it was MUCH easier to care for,
lots of
>trouble to comb but after that.... just a headband or ponytail and off
I went.
>Now that it's short, if I don't do something it just hangs flat on my
head. So
>it's actually MORE of a fuss.
>
>Considering going bald,
>
>Cyn
>Write Stuff Productions
Melba here: My husband and daughters like my hair LONG! When short my
daughter cried, "You look like a boy!" I like it shorter and I'm
getting older so I get more respect. But I like being cute too. I'm
more concerned about my age than my hair.
Michael or Karen Morrione
>Thanks to Fiona Webster for starting this fun thread . . .
>She asked:
>>1) What personality (or mental, or social) types go with what
>>physical characteristics, in your mind?
>The first thing I think of is hair, not so much its colour, but its
>straightness or curliness, and length. For women, I tend to associate
>naturally curly hair with a energetic, creative personality; someone
>who is a "people-person". Straight hair does not neccessrily mean the
>opposite kind of personality though, just different. I see straight
>hair reflective of a "down to earth" type of woman, one who is
>practical and likes outdoors activites. In either case, the shorter
>the hair length, the more practical the personality; wash n' wear
>appearance, I suppose.
When I had short hair, it was much higher maintenance than it is now.
It is about midway down my back, naturally curly, brown with a few
grey threads that I haven't made the time to cope with other than
pulling them occasionally, and all I do is wash, brush and go. When it
was short, if it dried wrong, it looked goofy, so I had to blow it
dry, and wash it every day or it looked dirty and fell flat (now I can
get by a day without washing it, if I don't have to be anywhere
professional).
I admit to not being terribly practical, but I don't think my hair
impacts that one way or another....
>This makes me think of the role that women's makeup plays. I would
>think it a common assumption that a woman who doesn't wear any makeup
>is a self-confident, no-nonsense sort of person who doesn't care what
>others think.
I don't wear makeup, largely because I can't be bothered. But also,
because makeup done badly on an aging face looks worse than no makeup
at all, and also, because no matter how well I apply it at the
beginning of the day, with my naturally oily skin, by midafternoon it
will all have slid halfway down my neck anyway. Why bother? As
Popeye said, "I yam what's I yam..."
KPM
_____________________________________________________
So we pass, with a gusto and a heartiness that to an
onlooker would seem almost pathetic, from one droll
devotion to another misshapen passion; and who shall
dare to play Rhadamanthus, to appraise the record, and
to decide how much of it is solid achievement, and how
much the merest child's play? Kenneth Grahame, The Golden
Age
Jensen
>I've always taken a woman cutting her hair short as a sign of, "I'm taking
>myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me alone." It seems
>like women as a class cut their hair after they break up, get a divorce,
>have a baby or hit "a certain age" where they no longer feel like they
>want to be combatants in the male-female skirmishes (for example, hitting
>40).
>
>Jack (don't tease my hair and I won't rat on yours) Mingo
I've had short hair since long before I exited the arena. In fact, it was
much shorter (crew cut) when I was actively participating in some
"male-female skirmishes."
Now it's just short. And my motto? Just because you're on a diet,
doesn't mean you can't look at the menu!
Jen
ig...@gate.net
> In article <4636ta$a...@firehose.mindspring.com>,
> Michael or Karen Morrione <morr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >youngblood <star...@io.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Go straight to http://enterzone.berkeley.edu/ez/authors/mingo.html.
> >
all I found was a picture that resembled a tv set with the horizontal and vertical holds
screwed up. Maybe I flamed too hard.
Eliska
> Hound (and I saw Elvis this weekend, too) of Cullen
Nope, it didn't look at all like Elvis
JMingo
taking
>myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me alone." It seems
:Ohhh, Jack, your sexism is showing...
No sexism involved. I take it as meaning exactly the same thing when men
make themselves deliberately unattractive to women.
Jack (gettting a short chicken-like hairstyle is the woman's equivalent of
growing a beer belly and not bathing) Mingo
LJS
She asked:
>1) What personality (or mental, or social) types go with what
>physical characteristics, in your mind?
The first thing I think of is hair, not so much its colour, but its
straightness or curliness, and length. For women, I tend to associate
naturally curly hair with a energetic, creative personality; someone
who is a "people-person". Straight hair does not neccessrily mean the
opposite kind of personality though, just different. I see straight
hair reflective of a "down to earth" type of woman, one who is
practical and likes outdoors activites. In either case, the shorter
the hair length, the more practical the personality; wash n' wear
appearance, I suppose.
This makes me think of the role that women's makeup plays. I would
think it a common assumption that a woman who doesn't wear any makeup
is a self-confident, no-nonsense sort of person who doesn't care what
others think.
For men, I guess hair colour plays a more significant role, since
most of the men I've met have had short hair. I tend to associate red
hair with a tempermental personality. I would probably cast a vain
male character as blonde, while my "heroine's love interest" would
have dark brown hair that is slightly longer in front so that it could
fall into his eyes now and then (so that she could lovingly brush it
to the side, of course!)
Stephanie D. Kwok
<sdk...@wimsey.com>
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misc.writing home page: http://www.wimsey.com/~sdkwok/mwrit.html
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Wayne C. Wood
zi...@aol.com (Hound of Cullen) wrote:
#In article <4636ta$a...@firehose.mindspring.com>,
#Michael or Karen Morrione <morr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
#>youngblood <star...@io.com> wrote:
#>
#>>Go straight to http://enterzone.berkeley.edu/ez/authors/mingo.html.
#>
#>Following your advice, I found a picture of my hero, Gumby.
#
#
#I've figured it out! If you combine "Mingo" with "Gumby" you get
#"Gumbo!" Now, gumbo is a _stew, right? So Mingo is _really Dinty Moore!
#
wait a minute! Gumbo is Gumby's FATHER! is that the surprising response Jack
was referring to when he revealed his famous "Fat Chick" pick up line???
Fiona Webster
>It seems like women as a class cut their hair after they break up, get
>a divorce, have a baby or hit "a certain age" where they no longer feel
>like they want to be combatants in the male-female skirmishes (for
>example, hitting 40).
I think this is an accurate psychological observation, but as for
myself, I think short hair is more work than long hair. I mean, you
have to go have it cut all the time. I just wear mine long. It's
not even a pain to wash or brush or anything. I just part it on the
side, stuff it behind my ears, and get on with life. Every two
months or so, I chop off an inch. I'm 40, by the way. My husband
manages his long hair exactly the same way I do mine, except he wears
his in a ponytail.
--Fiona
Fiona Webster
>>I've always taken a woman cutting her hair short as a sign of, "I'm
>>taking myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me alone."
>
>men make themselves deliberately unattractive to women.
I don't think it's a sexist assumption, necessarily, but I do notice
you're assuming that there's an equation between choosing not to play
the physical appearance game, and being unattractive. I think the
sexiest people are the ones who don't give a hoot anymore about what
people think about what they look like, because then they let their real
selves shine through.
--Fiona
Allan Izen -- DOH - Food and Drug Branch
you folks on the other side of the screen . . .let me see . . .
Fiona Webster: Actually is a 450 lb man who is partial to engineer's
boots and leather clothes with lots of zippers and studs, rides a 1250 cc
Harley Davidson and has hair on his knuckles.
Jack Mingo: Lean, dark, saturnine, Vasolined pompadour, goatee, eyebrows
like raven wings, chapeau and gloves, tiny smile (not reflected in his
eyes).
Kathy Vincent: Tight, wet leather miniskirt, nails very long and red,
false eyelashes like centipedes, lightly-penciled cuphook eyebrows,
lipstick on her teeth, cigarette in onyx holder, stiletto heels (used as
weapons on occasion).
Deck Deckert: A slender whisp of a woman whose real name is Fiona, red
hair done up in a bun, wire rimmed specticals, alabaster skin, perpetual
look of doe-like shyness in her eyes. A librarian by day, she is
transformed at night, in the eerie phosphorescense of the computer
screen, into Deck, her masculine persona, who cruises the backroads of
the information superhighway looking for love in all the wrong places.
Anna Halbert
>>I've always taken a woman cutting her hair short as a sign of, "I'm
>taking
>>myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me alone." It seems
>:
>:Ohhh, Jack, your sexism is showing...
>
>No sexism involved. I take it as meaning exactly the same thing when men
>make themselves deliberately unattractive to women.
>
>Jack (gettting a short chicken-like hairstyle is the woman's equivalent of
>growing a beer belly and not bathing) Mingo
i guess i'm surprised to hear you equate short hair with
unattractiveness in women. i think it really depends on the woman.
many women look exceptionally good with short hair. persis khambatta
(sp?) in the first star trek movie, and sinead o'connor (whatever her
other flaws) are both examples of women who shaved their heads (can't
get much shorter than that) and continued to be very attractive, if
not in fact even more attractive. (and in case being a female
disqualifies me from evaluating that attractiveness) i know a number
of men who agree with that assessment.
if i weren't current-events challenged i'm sure i could think of a
million more examples. they're in my head; it's just i can't attach
names. anyone wanna give a shot at it?
-a (i, on the other hand, look like a pumpkin with short hair)
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straydog
Man leaps from pedestal. Witnesses say short-haired pigeons to blame.
But inside sources confirm a long history of platform diving. Last
dive said to have killed his pony, Bob.
In an unrelated story, study finds that short-haired women found more
likely to be struck by irony.
Anna Banana
David Wasser
Some people wrote the following:
>> >>Go straight to http://enterzone.berkeley.edu/ez/authors/mingo.html.
>> >
>> >Following your advice, I found a picture . . .
Well, I sure as heck found the picture. While I was chuckling over it, Alex
(age 3) came into the room and started yelling, "It's Gumby. Look, it's
Gumby." I agreed that it sure was Gumby. Then he asked, "Who's dat udder
guy?" "It's Jack Mingo." "Oh." Next thing I know, he's tearing all over the
house with his plastic Gumby in his hand yelling, "I'm Jack Mingo! I'm Jack
Mingo!" It took me over an hour to get him settled down to sleep.
I take this as a sign that the internet has a satanic influence on young
impressionable children.
Liza
---
David & Liza Wasser email: DW...@valhalla.rhein-main.de
Hainburg Germany (near Frankfurt, on the banks of the River Main)
"We have to believe in free will. We've got no choice" -- Isaac B. Singer
ig...@gate.net
> Jack Mingo writes:
> >>I've always taken a woman cutting her hair short as a sign of, "I'm
> >>taking myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me alone."
> >
> >men make themselves deliberately unattractive to women.
>
but it does appear that it is your assumption that short hair is unattractive, Jack.
Many men I've known have this belief regardless of evidence otherwise. I look much better
with short hair, but I keep wanting it to look good long. When I give in and cut it, much against the objection
of the man in my life, he usually exclaims, "Why, it looks great."
but I do notice
> you're assuming that there's an equation between choosing not to play
> the physical appearance game, and being unattractive. I think the
> sexiest people are the ones who don't give a hoot anymore about what
> people think about what they look like, because then they let their real
> selves shine through.
>
> --Fiona
DITTO!!!!!!!
Eliska
ig...@gate.net
> Jack Mingo wrote:
> >It seems like women as a class cut their hair after they break up, get
> >a divorce, have a baby or hit "a certain age" where they no longer feel
> >like they want to be combatants in the male-female skirmishes (for
> >example, hitting 40).
>
of 40. Short hair and all. The guys never knew what hit 'em : )
Eliska
Lavina
>>I've always taken a woman cutting her hair short as a sign of, "I'm
>taking myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me alone."
And to cries of sexism replied:
>No sexism involved. I take it as meaning exactly the same thing when >men make themselves deliberately unattractive to women.
>Jack (gettting a short chicken-like hairstyle is the woman's equivalent >ofgrowing a beer belly and not bathing) Mingo
Jack!
I can't believe you wrote this drivel!
I wore my hair long -- between shoulder blades and near waist -- for
most of my life. A few years ago I started wearing it short. A *BIG*
departure for me. Did that signify making myself deliberately unattractive to men? Nope. Hell, it was just time for a change. I was =
BORED with my appearance and my hair is far too fine and lank for the
length I favoured. I almost always wore it in a braid anyway.
By the way. There are only two 't's in 'getting'.
-Lavina
S or L Benbow
>
>>Now it's just short. And my motto? Just because you're on a diet,
>>doesn't mean you can't look at the menu!
>
>had *more* advances with short hair than long.
>What I'd like to know is why divorce means a woman might "take herself
>out of the running," as Jack so ____? put it?
>
>Erin
>
Au Contriare, mon cherie. As a woman find herself facing divorce she
finds that men have suddenly become either far more interesting, or far
more bogus.
I myself can't decide. I think it's a little of both. Of course all
of my findings are biased to the results of the right advances.
NightMare
S or L Benbow
con...@ced.berkeley.edu (Martha Conway) writes:
>
>
>> >>women. I agree with you Karen, that the women I've known who
have
>> >>cut their hair short, do sort of become more aggressive.
>
>
>Martha Conway
Do you think the world is ready for a more aggressive you?
youngblood
>Karen wisely states:
>
>>I don't wear makeup, largely because I can't be bothered. But also,
>>because makeup done badly on an aging face looks worse than no makeup
>>at all
>
>on even thicker as they age. This only emphasizes the aging process.
>I lived in Holland during 1979 and 1980, and gave up makeup because the
>Dutch people seemed to like me better without it. Almost no one wore
>makeup there, and in letting it go I found a freedom I could never have
>imagined.
>
>Even after returning to the States, I didn't use makeup again for
>several years. That's very hard to do in this culture. You are to be
>applauded.
And one last comment ... our culture also has a predisposition to cover
up our gray hair. Graying hair is Nature's gift to us, a way of
softening the features - a silver badge of honor.
youngblood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
"But my dreams, they aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be ..."
Jensen
> To get the ball rolling, I'll bet Jack and Deck don't have much
>and that Woody and Dinty have plenty.
>
I like it too, but what is so important is the skin underneath it. If
they've got dark chest hair, and really pasty skin . . . yech!
jen
M Barnard
>It seems like women as a class cut their hair after they break up, get
>a divorce, have a baby or hit "a certain age" where they no longer feel
>like they want to be combatants in the male-female skirmishes (for
>example, hitting 40).
Hmmm...I think this is probably grossly overstating the case. Short hair is
very sexy on women, especially if it's either very short and bristly, or in
a tousled-gamin style. If a women actually did cut her hair to avoid sexual
attention, all she would really do would be to change who was attracted to
her.
For example, she would probably be approached by fewer overweight, white
corporate slobs looking for June Cleaver crossed with Linda Lovelace.
She might also find that she is approached by a great number more women...
M (Of course, the June/Linda cross would do all of her own vacuuming...)
Jet LeBlanc
>>Jack (gettting a short chicken-like hairstyle is the woman's equivalent of
>>growing a beer belly and not bathing) Mingo
>
>unattractiveness in women. i think it really depends on the woman.
Agreed...
>many women look exceptionally good with short hair. persis khambatta
>(sp?) in the first star trek movie, and sinead o'connor (whatever her
>other flaws) are both examples of women who shaved their heads (can't
>get much shorter than that) and continued to be very attractive, if
>not in fact even more attractive. (and in case being a female
>disqualifies me from evaluating that attractiveness) i know a number
>of men who agree with that assessment.
Yep. It entirely depends on the facial, body, and bone structure of the
individual. But, leaving aside the issue of attractiveness, it does tend to
change how people approach you and how you relate to them. I've had hair 1"
long, hair 2' long, and currently it's somewhere in between. It does make a
difference. (In my case, when it was very short, people tended to be scared
of me. Since that's what I wanted at the time, it was okay...and no, Jack, I
wasn't taking myself out of the sexual arena, just changing the rules
somewhat.)
I have a beautiful friend who, when I met her, had no hair at all, big Doc
Martens and a nose ring. My first reaction was "baby dyke" (which turned out
to be correct, at the time). She has since grown her gorgeous red-blond,
ringleted hair out into a breathtaking shoulder-length mop, and revised her
"identity" to bisexual. She is also much less militant than she used to be. I
would still hesitate, however, to attribute her personality changes to the
hairstyle she chose. I think it's probably more the other way 'round.
Or...it COULD even be a coincidence!
>-a (i, on the other hand, look like a pumpkin with short hair)
Well, having recently seen your lovely, flowing, golden waterfall of tresses,
I can't imagine why you would even *think* anout chopping it off. ;)
--Jet, stop me before I try to describe hair again....
Jet LeBlanc
>
> *WHEEET* (Signals a change in topic)
>
> Now that we've done long/short hair on women to death,
>what about male chest hair? I happen to like it.
What about male hair *all over*? I have a friend who's very fuzzy...I happen
to think it's cute when their back hair poufs out their tee-shirt, but I
wonder about shedding...
> To get the ball rolling, I'll bet Jack and Deck don't have much
>and that Woody and Dinty have plenty.
I'll bet Jack has just a few, and he either waxes or plucks 'em. (He started
this, so he's fair game. I have no comment on the other hapless gentlemen and
their relative hirsuteness, but I admit curiosity as to the accuracy of
Wendy's predictions.)
--Jet, who is reminded that she needs a haircut, but *not* on her chest
Wayne C. Wood
sbe...@ix.netcom.com (S or L Benbow ) wrote:
:I don't know about you, but every time my husband shaves his head, he
:turns into Mr. Skinhead, right down to the need for conflict and the
:confederate flag boxers...
gee, i didn't even know we had a gym, much less a boxing team...
(is this what canadians do on boxing day?)
M Barnard
Jack puts his foot...behind his ear?...
Chris McLaughlin
On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Wendy Chatley Green wrote:
> Now that we've done long/short hair on women to death,
> what about male chest hair? I happen to like it.
>
I like 'em smooth, myself. But that may be because I was once
traumatized by body hair. On a first "date" (I don't think we called
them dates back then) in Madison once, a young man lured me to his dorm
room, turned off all the lights except a black light, suggested that I
give him a back rub, and started to peel. His back was covered with hair,
and in that hair was DANDRUFF, which glowed in the black light.
Gross me out!
Chris
Peggy Brown
>In article <46hslb$j...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jmi...@aol.com (JMingo) writes:
>
>>I've always taken a woman cutting her hair short as a sign of, "I'm taking
>>myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me alone." It seems
>>like women as a class cut their hair after they break up, get a divorce,
>>have a baby or hit "a certain age" where they no longer feel like they
>>want to be combatants in the male-female skirmishes (for example, hitting
>>40).
Huh? Lots of women are more into sex at 40 than they were at 20.
>But seriously (I know--I should never follow up on one of Jack's posts
>seriously), I don't like this assumption that women with short hair are not
>feminine. I have 2 young daughters; one wears her hair very long and the other
>prefers short hair. The one with short hair is often teased by classmates
>("Are you a boy?"). There is a lot of peer pressure for girls to have long
>hair. I admire my daughter for not giving in to it.
Some people look better in short hair, some in long. Some look very
feminime in short hair, some look messy in long hair. Nonetheless there
is a stereotype. Most men (in my experience) find long hair to be
sexier -- doesn't matter how stringy provided its long.
With all this at stake, hair is a huge problem for many women. One of
the great signs of my maturity was coming to terms with my hair. One
day I decided to respect my hair and what it would and would not do.
I stopped trying to make it look like someone else's hair. I have been
happy with it ever since, and it with me.
- Peggy -
M Barnard
>a divorce, have a baby or hit "a certain age" where they no longer feel
>like they want to be combatants in the male-female skirmishes (for
>example, hitting 40).
Hmmm...I think this is probably grossly overstating the case. Short hair
M Barnard
Wayne C. Wood
:military backround types had hardbodies and retained short hair, like
:my brother-in-law...
:NightMare
sorry to disillusion ya mightmare... but i've been OUT for over 15 years...
time does take it's toll
Bob Hester
LeBlanc) wrote:
> In article <VjLkw8kDJ/yW0...@cris.com>, wcg...@cris.com says...
> >
> > *WHEEET* (Signals a change in topic)
> >
> > Now that we've done long/short hair on women to death,
> >what about male chest hair? I happen to like it.
>
> What about male hair *all over*? I have a friend who's very fuzzy...I happen
> to think it's cute when their back hair poufs out their tee-shirt, but I
> wonder about shedding...
>
> > To get the ball rolling, I'll bet Jack and Deck don't have much
> >and that Woody and Dinty have plenty.
>
> I'll bet Jack has just a few, and he either waxes or plucks 'em. (He started
> this, so he's fair game. I have no comment on the other hapless gentlemen and
> their relative hirsuteness, but I admit curiosity as to the accuracy of
> Wendy's predictions.)
>
> --Jet, who is reminded that she needs a haircut, but *not* on her chest
There's this saying: "You can't grow grass on a playground."
--
My opinions only.
Deck Deckert
: Now that we've done long/short hair on women to death,
: what about male chest hair? I happen to like it.
Let me put it this way: Two people have dibs on my hide to replace
their bearskin rugs.
Deck
JMingo
>To get the ball rolling, I'll bet Jack and Deck don't have much
>and that Woody and Dinty have plenty.
Frisky Wendy, I'll show you my chest hair if you show me yours.
Jack (What's good for a gander can be good for a goose or two) Mingo
Kathy Vincent
: >I've always taken a woman cutting her hair short as a sign of, "I'm
: taking
: >myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me alone." It seems
: :Ohhh, Jack, your sexism is showing...
: No sexism involved. I take it as meaning exactly the same thing when men
: make themselves deliberately unattractive to women.
: Jack (gettting a short chicken-like hairstyle is the woman's equivalent of
: growing a beer belly and not bathing) Mingo
Are you saying, then, that all men like long hair and consider
short hair "deliberately unattractive"?
--
Kathy Vincent
vinc...@wfu.edu
http://www.wfu.edu/~vincentk
Margaret Young
: In article <46hr3d$r...@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
: sbe...@ix.netcom.com (S or L Benbow ) wrote:
: :Well, I was shocked to see Woody on Erin's web page. I thought all
: :military backround types had hardbodies and retained short hair, like
: :my brother-in-law...
: :NightMare
: sorry to disillusion ya mightmare... but i've been OUT for over 15 years...
: time does take it's toll
So, you're a bit shaggy? Good, it goes with the name.
margaret
: -- woody
Margaret Young
: myo...@Market.NET (Margaret Young) writes:
: >I have some vague impressions of people.
: >Jenna--tall, thin, wiry, somewhat weathered face, long brownish-red hair.
: >angular features
: You got the hair color right, anyway. :) But I appreciate the thought.
: That's what I'd look like, if I could choose. Anyone else care to take a
: guess? Especially now that I've dropped a few hints in another thread or two?
: >margaret (and just what do I look like?)
: Hmmmm. Brunette, with maybe a touch of premature salt and pepper at the
: temples. Your hair is casually styled, shortish, maybe collar length, and
: curly. Wire-rimmed glasses in silver. Hazel eyes that wrinkle slightly in
: the corners from an abundance of laughter. Medium complexion. About 5'5",
: 5'6", not thin but not fat. Fit, somewhat muscular, but not totally athletic,
: either.
: How'd I do? :)
You also got the hair color right, though the premature grey hasn't quite
made a statement yet. The wire-rims are gold/brown and not worn all the
time. The hair's definitely casual, oh boy is it casual. I look more fit
than I am.
So, maybe a C+.
margaret (no wrinkling eyes, will a pair of dimples do?)
: Jenna
: jth...@ac.edu
S or L Benbow
writes:
> *WHEEET* (Signals a change in topic)
>
>what about male chest hair? I happen to like it.
>
much
>and that Woody and Dinty have plenty.
>
>
>Wendy (Back and leg hair will be left)
>Chatley (for a different thread.)
>Green -- wcg...@cris.com
>
I don't know about you, but I think electrology is the greatest thing
to happen to body hair.
NightMare
>--
>--
>Wendy Chatley Green -- wcg...@cris.com
S or L Benbow
Wood) writes:
>
>In article <46ltah$aeg...@newsreader.digex.net>,
> f...@access.digex.net (Fiona Webster) wrote:
>:Jack Mingo writes:
>:>>I've always taken a woman cutting her hair short as a sign of, "I'm
>:>>taking myself out of the running in the sexual arena. Leave me
alone."
>:>No sexism involved. I take it as meaning exactly the same thing when
>:>men make themselves deliberately unattractive to women.
>:
>:I don't think it's a sexist assumption, necessarily, but I do notice
>:you're assuming that there's an equation between choosing not to play
>:the physical appearance game, and being unattractive. I think the
>:sexiest people are the ones who don't give a hoot anymore about what
>:people think about what they look like, because then they let their
real
>:selves shine through.
>:
>: --Fiona
>
>that's all well & good Fiona.... but you're married...
>
>being single gives one a different perspective...
>
>-- woody
There was a guy who had a huge crush on me and when I told him I was
married, he said, "you're married, not buried."
Now that I'm separated I'd tell him he's too drunk for me.
NightMare,
aka
something really scary with high standards, sometimes...
James Richard Torrence
> *WHEEET* (Signals a change in topic)
>
> Now that we've done long/short hair on women to death,
> what about male chest hair? I happen to like it.
>
> To get the ball rolling, I'll bet Jack and Deck don't have much
> and that Woody and Dinty have plenty.
>
>
> --
> Wendy (Back and leg hair will be left)
> Chatley (for a different thread.)
> Green -- wcg...@cris.com
>
> --
> --
> Wendy Chatley Green -- wcg...@cris.com
>
>
Well I have chest hair (not that anyone cares): It forms a circle whose
mid point is at the sternum; Across this circle, the hair forms three
triangles that are identical in size; These triangle are set at angles
that form more triangles; these triangles met a five seperate equidistant
points; These points are connected by a large, downy circle of chest-hair
that surrounds the entire chest; In the center of the smaller cir . . .
oh my god . . . I never noticed this before . . . those three numbers . .
. no . . . it can't be . . . the number . . . the number of . . . of . .
. of the . . . AAAAAAAAGGGHHH!!!!
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=== James R. Torrence E-mail: jtor...@gsu.edu ===
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Michael or Karen Morrione
>In article <VjLkw8kDJ/yW0...@cris.com>, wcg...@cris.com‚ says...
>>
>> *WHEEET* (Signals a change in topic)
I was trying to avoid it, but Jet, dammit, I *have* to get in on this
one...
>>
>> Now that we've done long/short hair on women to death,
>>what about male chest hair? I happen to like it.
>What about male hair *all over*? I have a friend who's very fuzzy...I happen
>to think it's cute when their back hair poufs out their tee-shirt, but I
>wonder about shedding...
Ick! You're giving me goosebumps of grotesqueness from flashbacks of
our recent houseguest, who had hair *everywhere*. Cleaning up the
sink or tub after him was gross...
As for Jack, Deck, Woody and Dinty, I propose that they all send
samples of their chest hair to Wendy for her to incorporate in the
watchcaps she's knitting as best pumpkin prizes. I predict the
competition gets rabid...
KPM
KPM
_____________________________________________________
So we pass, with a gusto and a heartiness that to an
onlooker would seem almost pathetic, from one droll
devotion to another misshapen passion; and who shall
dare to play Rhadamanthus, to appraise the record, and
to decide how much of it is solid achievement, and how
much the merest child's play? Kenneth Grahame, The Golden
Age
Tshen
After all the flame wars on smoking, spelling, health insurance, and
*manuscript font*, we now pursue this little brouhaha on _hair length_.
How silly.
I'm game.
I am about to approach my 1 year anniversary of cutting my hair short. (I
know this because I dyed it red on halloween, and cut it off the very
next day.) I have not regretted it one iota. Here's why:
1) Long hair looks good, but is a @#$%ing pain to wash.
2) Long hair looks good, but is a @#$%ing pain to sleep on.
3) Long hair looks good, but is a @#$%ing pain to keep out of one's face.
4) Long hair looks good, but so does short hair, when cut properly.
5) Long hair looks good, but I'd rather be judged on something less
superficial. (I.e., my godlike intellect and entrancing personality)
6) Long hair looks good, but only with too much time invested in maintenance.
7) Long hair looks good, but also makes a great handhold for violent
criminal types who might want to perform violent criminal acts on one's
person.
8) Long hair looks good, but so does a rosebush, and I wouldn't want
_that_ growing out of my scalp.
9) Long hair looks good, but tastes _bad_. (Ptoo!)
And most importantly:
10) Long hair looks good, but zits _love_ to breed under it.
--Tshen
Qodaxti Institute, 87th stratum
Wendy Chatley Green
Now that we've done long/short hair on women to death,
what about male chest hair? I happen to like it.
JMingo
>I'm abashed to have so seriously misinterpreted you.
>Please accept my sincere apology.
I accept and apologize back. I'm sorry for any hurt caused by my response.
Probably I over-reacted.
The conversation has been deliberately absurd and I've been somewhat
deliberately provocative. However, the dynamic of personalizing it, at
some point going from discussing (say) the personality types of
big-breasted women to (for example) "I bet Jet has tits the size of
doormice" makes me squirm.
Jack (...even when I'm not the target) Mingo
youngblood
>Are you saying, then, that all men like long hair and consider
>short hair "deliberately unattractive"?
No, he's just saying that those are _his perceptions_. However,
perception has nothing to do with reality.
youngblood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
"I like your style, I think it's marvelous, but I'm always wrong so
how can I tell ...?"
Wayne C. Wood
j...@mindspring.com (Jet LeBlanc) wrote:
:I'm abashed to have so seriously misinterpreted you. Please accept my
sincere
:apology.
:
do i see a trend here? misc.written.public.apologies?
youngblood
>youngblood wrote:
>>Even after returning to the States, I didn't use makeup again for
>>several years. That's very hard to do in this culture. You are to be
>>applauded.
>
>Why is it hard not to wear makeup? I haven't worn a speck of makeup
>in about fifteen years. I'm a professional, and I do the skirt-n-
>stockings bit for work attire, but not wearing makeup is easy. No
>one has ever said a thing to me about it.
Okay, semantics here. It is not hard to not wear makeup. :) Er, uh,
let me try saying that while not wearing makeup is very easy, trying not
to wear makeup while saying that it is easy turns out to be relative to
one's own experience, which is dependent to a great extent upon one's
natural coloring. (If you understand what I said here, you are more
awake than I am.)
I happen to be one of those blondes with extremely fair skin who looks
like she just crawled out of her coffin without makeup. So I _choose_
to wear it (minimal amounts only) so people don't spend the day asking
me, "Are you allright?" "Do you not feel well?" "Should you have
stayed home? You look awfully tired ...", ad nauseum.
youngblood
************
"You're like a plaintive melody that never, never, ever lets me be ..."
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Wayne C. Wood
morr...@mindspring.com (Michael or Karen Morrione) wrote:
:
:Thank you, thank you. I'm working on my status as "crazy aunt Karen",
:and sadly, most of my nieces think that not wearing makeup is a good
:start in that direction.
crazy aunt karen... meet crazy uncle wayne...
seems like every family has one of these skeletons hanging in the closet....
is this a useful plot device? how do some of your relatives get labelled as
the crazy/eccentric ones?
any anecdotes?
Wendy Green
: Wendy Chatley Green writes about chest hair, which hirsuits her fine:
: >To get the ball rolling, I'll bet Jack and Deck don't have much
: >and that Woody and Dinty have plenty.
: Frisky Wendy, I'll show you my chest hair if you show me yours.
Okay, Jack: here goes--
)
Isn't it nice? I got it from my husband this morning. Since he
gave it to me, it's my chest hair. Now, let's see yours.
--
Wendy (I can also show you the hand)
Chatley (that I got in marriage.)
Green -- wcg...@cris.com
Wayne C. Wood
:married, he said, "you're married, not buried."
on a similar note... married men giving the eyeball to the sweet young things
passing them by...
hey, i'm married not blind!
JMingo
>I like it! But what does it mean if you have hair on your
>knuckles? I just looked, and I do. It's blonde, though, so
>it's hard to see.
It depends. Is it long and sensual, or have you deliberately cut it short?
Jack (More hot water! ) Mingo
Wayne C. Wood
:age
:>of 40. Short hair and all. The guys never knew what hit 'em : )
:> Eliska
:>
:
:You hit him?
:
with a whip? was that a cat-o-nine-tails or a traditional bull whip?
do you do anything with riding crops?
(women, can't live with 'em, can't dress 'em up in skimpy leather nazi
outfits)
Wayne C. Wood
:chris mclaughlin (cmcl...@post.its.mcw.edu) wrote:
:
:: with our long hair. But now, having found those feet to be made of clay,
well, I
:
:
:I've followed the thread and I dont think JM has a leg to stand on...the
:issue of washing feet and clay feet would seem acedemic
:
no head, a multitude of hands, one or no legs...
jack, you look nothing like your pictures....
Diane Stewart
Wendy Chatley Green (wcg...@cris.com) writes:
> *WHEEET* (Signals a change in topic)
>
> Now that we've done long/short hair on women to death,
> what about male chest hair? I happen to like it.
>
> and that Woody and Dinty have plenty.
Jack gets his chest hair from his cat. I have this on good authority.
My personal preference is a hairless chest. I've got a hair thing. Flesh
is best. Beards are an unusual fashion statement too. Of course, these
preferences may have something to do with my bizarre affinity for
newspapers boys and college students, but I don't want to start a
perversion thread. Or do I?
Bonnie (shoulder length, dirty-blonde)
Jet LeBlanc
I have tried to cc you my responses to your responses to my responses...
I have tried to send you separate e-mail...
I have tried to *think as hard as possible* in your direction...
But no matter what I do, everything I send to jmi...@aol.com bounces promptly
back to me.
What must I do to remove this curse? Please post promptly, as I am getting a
complex.
--Jet
straydog
Who first said:
: : Jack (gettting a short chicken-like hairstyle is the woman's equivalent of
: : growing a beer belly and not bathing) Mingo
If he was saying:
: Are you saying, then, that all men like long hair and consider
: short hair "deliberately unattractive"?
So I gotta ask:
What's the point, fellas? Do you want a woman who looks into your eyes
for her own reflection?
"Do you like my hair? Is it long enough, blond enough, silky enough,
conditioned enough... ?"
"Tell me if I should cut it, perm it, style it, burn it... ?"
Or do you want to know a woman who is fearless in the face of your
disapproval and chooses the way she wants to look. It's only hair.
If she finally reveals that she's changed the way she she wants her
hair to look, would you say, "Listen, babe, you lead me to believe
you were a long-haired babe. You lied to me, babe. I'm off to the
babe market to find me a real babe". (I'd gag, but there's stuff on
my desk I don't want to make all yucky).
Those of you who are raising girls of your own, consider this:
Your very young, very beautiful daughter says there's boy she's eager
for you to meet. You invite this object of your little's girl's
affection to a nice family dinner and interrogation. During dinner:
"I love your daughter very much, I'd never hurt her".
But as the evening wears (and it does wear) on.
"I especially like your daughter's sensual long hair. I hope she never
cuts it. Don't you hate when women cut their hair? It's like they want
to tell you they don't care what you think of them".
So how soon after the dinner would you begin to hint to your daughter
that she should cut her hair?
I know I'm pressing buttons on purpose. And I do mean to.
Mostly, I worry about absolutes: long hair is absolutely feminine;
short hair is absolutely a denial of femininity.
Come now, gentlemen, don't you want more from us and for us than
that?
Anna Banana
I enjoy being a short-haired girl.
The best things in life ... are fantasy.
>Jack Mingo wrote:
>>It seems like women as a class cut their hair after they break up, get
>>a divorce, have a baby or hit "a certain age" where they no longer feel
>>like they want to be combatants in the male-female skirmishes (for
>>example, hitting 40).
>
>I think this is an accurate psychological observation, but as for
>myself, I think short hair is more work than long hair. I mean, you
>have to go have it cut all the time. I just wear mine long. It's
>not even a pain to wash or brush or anything. I just part it on the
>side, stuff it behind my ears, and get on with life. Every two
>months or so, I chop off an inch. I'm 40, by the way. My husband
>manages his long hair exactly the same way I do mine, except he wears
>his in a ponytail.
>
> --Fiona
Yay Fiona and spouse! :-)
PCVS
James Richard Torrence
>
> I don't know about you, but I think electrology is the greatest thing
> to happen to body hair.
>
> NightMare
>
>
Electrology? Isn't that the church of John Travolta.
Fiona Webster
>Fiona Webster: Actually is a 450 lb man who is partial to engineer's
>boots and leather clothes with lots of zippers and studs, rides a 1250
>cc Harley Davidson and has hair on his knuckles.
I like it! But what does it mean if you have hair on your
knuckles? I just looked, and I do. It's blonde, though, so
it's hard to see.
--a hairy beast,
Fiona