McCabe and Mrs. Miller
Wayne or Vallorie Wood
It's from the 80's I think, and stars Warren Beatty and Julie Christie.
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Alan Brooks
Wayne or Vallorie Wood wrote:
>
> Does any one know why this would be a genre transformation film?
> It's from the 80's I think, and stars Warren Beatty and Julie Christie.
It's from the 80's "you think"???????
It's from 1971 and you can get the basic scoop at the Internet Movie
Database (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0067411).
Altman used the cliches of The Western to his own purposes in McCabe.
His gunslinger rides into town, but rather than protecting folks or
otherwise wowwing them with his toughguy routine, he remains dumb and
inneffectual and can only impress those who are dumber and more
inneffectual than he is. His hooker with a heart of gold is an
honest-to-Pete hooker (sigh... Julie Christie chowing down on beans,
then looking your right in the eye and declaring "Mr. McCabe, I'm a
whore.") hooked on opium and she doesn't so much have a heart of gold as
a soft spot for a nice guy mascarading as a tough guy. The only real
gunslinger in the film is shown as the violent psychopath that many of
them were, and his draw is so fast ain't no guy in a white hat gonna
beat him. The one staged showdown is nothing but a cold-blooded killing
of a guy with a broken pistol.
The reason a film can be thought to transform a genre is that it
declares the conventions to be the cliches that they are. Uneducated or
crassly commercial filmmakers will, of course, continue to use the
conventions of a genre as they wish, but no thinking filmmaker would
make a western these days without reflecting on what Altman had to say
about the stock characters and accepted tropes of cowboys in film.
Alan Brooks
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A schmuck with an Underwood
LODGESTE
Yeah, it's a Western with 1960s hippie values.
Wayne or Vallorie Wood
a paper on it and it wasn't my first choice. but thanks very much for reply.
the info looks good--thanks
v
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Alan Brooks
Wayne or Vallorie Wood wrote:
>
> well, 80's 70's... I didn't say I wanted to even see the movie. I have to do
> a paper on it and it wasn't my first choice. but thanks very much for reply.
> the info looks good--thanks
You don't even want to see this movie? You're shortchanging yourself:
it's a great flick.
Whatever... good luck with your paper and I hope you get the grade
you've worked so hard for.
BrickRage
>From: Alan Brooks al...@sirius-software.com
>Wayne or Vallorie Wood wrote:
>>
>> well, 80's 70's... I didn't say I wanted to even see the movie. I have to
>do
>> a paper on it and it wasn't my first choice.
>You don't even want to see this movie? You're shortchanging yourself:
>it's a great flick.
Certainly is. And a nice synops on your other post, Brooksie. You forgot to
mention the haunting Leonard Cohen soundtrack and the ironic use of "The
Sisters of Mercy" song with the visuals of Ms Christie and her whores tramping
through the snow. And what visuals! Thanks to Vilmos Zsigmond.
>Whatever... good luck with your paper and I hope you get the grade
>you've worked so hard for.
>
Ooo-oow -- nice use of irony bordering on the snide. Damned kids and their term
papers. Maybe there's a Cliff Notes for the film somewhere.
Nesci
"Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow
Things should start to get interesting right about now"
-- Dylan
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Joe Myers
[snip]
>
> Damned kids and their term
> papers. Maybe there's a Cliff Notes for the film somewhere.
>
Brick, I'm ashamed neither you nor Brooksie volunteered to help Wayne or
Valorie (sic) Wood the way he (or she or they) wanted. Why aren't you
writing his (or her or their) paper *for* him (or her or them)?!
I mean, it's obvious you both know the film better. S/he will likely screw
up the analysis. You can include stuff like Julie Christie is Anna's
great-niece, Warren is Ned Beatty's love child, how (for authenticity's
sake) Altman recorded the entire soundtrack on wax cylinders and
hand-painted each frame of the original celluloid black & white footage to
release the final color print.
Joe Myers
"It's your duty as a netizen."
Alan Brooks
BrickRage wrote:
> Ooo-oow -- nice use of irony bordering on the snide. Damned kids and their term
> papers. Maybe there's a Cliff Notes for the film somewhere.
I keep forgetting we're in the post-irony-age. I'll stick a sticky-note
on my monitor: "No Ironic Postings to Minors".
And-but-so... how could somebody pass up watching this movie? Beautiful
scenery, beautiful people, amazing music, and it makes a statement or
two that are worth knowing. 'Course it helps if you can think and that
could be a real downer to some.
Alan Brooks
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A schmuck with an Underwood
-- The Brick is Back. Does he know about www.brickmag.com?
mr._neeek,_sr.
future of our country!!!
And he doesn't even want to see the film.
I wonder why Rush is winning?
For the record, I loved this movie -- when it came out, and it's been
interesting on the occasion or two I've seen it since then. It wasn't
one of my favorites but now that I'm practically oversaturated on
researching western history and cowboy movies, I think I'll go out and
rent it and watch it again. For the record, here's my list of cowboy
movies everyone who's interested in writing movies should be familiar
with:
COWBOY MOVIES:
FOUR STARS:
Ride the High Country
THREE AND A HALF STARS:
Johnny Guitar
Ride The Pink Horse
Rider On The Rain
Shogun Assassin
The Shootist,
Winchester 73
THREE STARS:
Commanche Station
Commancheros
Dodge City
The Far Country,
Hombre
El Dorado (Watch after Rio Bravo)
The Man From Laramie,
Monte Walsh
The Ride Back,
Ride Lonesome
Rio Bravo
San Antonia
Vera Cruz
Yellow Sky
TWO AND A HALF STARS:
Decision At Sundown
UNRATED :
Cheyenne Autumn
Cheyenne Social Club
The Left Handed Gun,
My Darling Clementine
War Wagon
SPECIAL TRIPTYCH:
Fort Apache, She Wore A Yellow Ribbon & Rio Grande
Obviously there are plenty more, but you have to start somewhere.
A good book to read while you're watching these is "Sixguns and
Society" by Will Wright. Whatever you do, don't pick up "Six-Guns and
Saddle Leather" by Ramon F. Adams or you will find yourself in the
position I'm in - owning 300-400 ancient books on the outlaws and
badmen of the American west, specifically Idaho, Montana, Wyoming,
Utah, Colorado, Washington state and California...
Warmest Regards Always,
Mr. Neeek, Sr. (Writer/Lover/Philosopher/Patriot)
"If the president doesn't want federal employees at the airports to
protect the safety of the American people then why have federal
employees as security for the president. He should set an example by
farming out the revolving door security by hiring the lowest paid morons
to protect the biggest moron this nation has ever seen."
Dale McCall 10/29/01
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed and hence, clamorous to be led to safety - by menacing it with
an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary"
H.L. Mencken
BrickRage
>From: Alan Brooks al...@sirius-software.com
>I keep forgetting we're in the post-irony-age. I'll stick a sticky-note
>on my monitor: "No Ironic Postings to Minors".
Yeah. And if you had a lawn there on CPW, you could chase them whippersnappers
off of it -- put some sticky-notes in the wheels of their in-line skates while
you're at it.
My favorite quote from McCabe:
John Q. McCabe: "If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bounce his ass so much."
> -- The Brick is Back. Does he know about www.brickmag.com?
I'm just here on temporary assignment but yes, I know the mag. Annie Proulx has
a piece in the latest ish. I like the quote from Creely:
“Brick is a reader’s and writer’s magazine, that rare ground of a common
interest and exchange. It’s the wonders of reading it serves – a reading
best qualified by the poet Robert Duncan’s musing, “I can't remember if I
read it or I wrote it...” It’s a remarkable bastion against the blurs and
distractions of the all too familiar alternatives. Here reading always wins.”
— Robert Creeley
Dena Jo
> movies everyone who's interested in writing movies should be familiar
> with:
>
> COWBOY MOVIES:
<list snipped>
So. Where do put '39 Stagecoach?
--
Dena Jo
ICQ: 116627453
MC
bric...@aol.com (BrickRage) wrote:
> You forgot to mention the haunting Leonard Cohen soundtrack and the ironic use of "The
> Sisters of Mercy" song with the visuals of Ms Christie and her whores tramping
> through the snow.
Maybe not so ironic. Cohen says it was dedicated to two young ladies
who, um serviced him... um, orally at a moment when he needed it most...
God I love Leonard Cohen, not least for his sense of humor. He won the
Canadian equivalent of an Emmy and said something like, "That's what I
love about this country. Canada is the only place in the world where I
could win a best singer award."
Paula
>Whatever you do, don't pick up "Six-Guns and
>Saddle Leather" by Ramon F. Adams or you will find yourself in the
>position I'm in - owning 300-400 ancient books on the outlaws and
>badmen of the American west, specifically Idaho, Montana, Wyoming,
>Utah, Colorado, Washington state and California...
Adams' Sixguns is a standard bibliography 'round these parts.
Anything of this ilk you need? (Are books that are 120 years old
"ancient"?)
If you'd like to read an interesting (fictional) book on cowboys, I
recommend a book I read recently - "Lament" by David "Sunset" Carson
(the brother of the screenwriter L.M. "Kit" Carson). Grove Press,
1973. I bet you haven't read anything quite like THAT! It'll make
even YOU blush, Mr. Neeek. It would be a great movie. Very funny.
Very obscene.
Paula
mr._neeek,_sr.
On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:18:12 GMT, rub...@att.net (Paula) wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:14:01 -0800, Mr. Neeek, Sr. wrote:
>
>>Whatever you do, don't pick up "Six-Guns and
>>Saddle Leather" by Ramon F. Adams or you will find yourself in the
>>position I'm in - owning 300-400 ancient books on the outlaws and
>>badmen of the American west, specifically Idaho, Montana, Wyoming,
>>Utah, Colorado, Washington state and California...
>
>
>Adams' Sixguns is a standard bibliography 'round these parts.
>Anything of this ilk you need? (Are books that are 120 years old
>"ancient"?)
Well, yes, I'm always looking to increase my collection. What have you
got?
>
>If you'd like to read an interesting (fictional) book on cowboys, I
>recommend a book I read recently - "Lament" by David "Sunset" Carson
>(the brother of the screenwriter L.M. "Kit" Carson). Grove Press,
>1973. I bet you haven't read anything quite like THAT! It'll make
>even YOU blush, Mr. Neeek. It would be a great movie. Very funny.
>Very obscene.
I'll check it out, but I haven't blushed since I was 14, when my 16
year old girlfriend's mother caught me in the middle of, uh, cleaning
her up... Obscenity is in the eye of the, uh, observer...
>
>Paula
Wayne or Vallorie Wood
at least 30 something years...
yes, I saw the movie, but I wasn't impressed. I just wanted to get through
it.
i can see clearly why it would be a questionable western flick. i'm just
trying to figure out what's so great about it.
yes, the music was about the best part...
warren beatty... i don't know about him, but he aint' no cowboy.
v
> >Whatever... good luck with your paper and I hope you get the grade
> >you've worked so hard for.
>
> Ooo-oow -- nice use of irony bordering on the snide. Damned kids and their
term
> papers.
>
> Nesci
Wayne or Vallorie Wood
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Wayne or Vallorie Wood
you've made some excellent points that i wish more americans were paying
attention to.
and why do you think this is such a great movie?
what made it so?
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mr._neeek,_sr.
I can't remember it being a really great movie -- I just liked it very
much. I was kind of into Altman for a while -- before he lost his
mind, I guess. I think I was intrigued by the characters -- I really
can't remember it very well, but I believe I thought it was funny that
Beatty, who was sort of a delicately sleazy coward if I recollect
correctly -- still had to survive in a brutally primitive environment
that he didn't measure up to. Also, I had a minor thing for Julie
Christie, who sort of embodied the English groupie ideal I'm partial
to back then...
Like I said, I guess I have to review it...
Wayne or Vallorie Wood
especially after the rhetoric I sat through in class today. but this site
doesn't like politics so I won't elaborate.
actually, it wasn't a bad movie. you're right that Beatty's character had to
survive in a brutal environment. he teamed up with Julie to bring in women
to service the men, shall we say...
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MwsReader
> For the record, here's my list of cowboy movies everyone who's
> interested in writing movies should be familiar with:
Great list, Mr. Neeek... I mean, pardner. (Ride the High Country
is #1 for me, too.)
Here are some others I think are worth a look. (By category, not rating.)
GETTING THERE:
The Covered Wagon
The Iron Horse
The Big Trail
Wagon Master
Bend in the River
MOVE ALONG, LITTLE DOGGIES:
Red River
Lonesome Dove
Cowboy
Go West (Keaton's)
Rancho Deluxe
SMILE WHEN YOU SAY THAT, STRANGER:
The Westerner
Shane
Blood on the Moon
Way Out West
A MAN'S GOTTA DO WHAT A MAN'S GOTTA DO:
(make that, a person's gotta do...)
Stagecoach
High Noon
The Naked Spur
Pursued
Rawhide
NO WAY YOU'RE TAKIN' WHAT'S MINE:
Once Upon a Time in the West
Broken Lance
The Big Country
Duel in the Sun
EAST MEETS WEST:
Seven Samurai
The Magnificent Seven
Yojimbo
A Fistful of Dollars
EAST MEETS WEST, part 2:
The Searchers
Broken Arrow
Ulzana's Raid
Little Big Man
Dances With Wolves
I DON'T WANT NO TROUBLE:
The Gunfighter
Will Penny
Lonely Are the Brave
Bad Day at Black Rock
The Ox-Bow Incident
ONE LAST JOB:
The Wild Bunch
The Professionals
Man of the West
The Long Riders
The Badlanders
Ken
BrickRage
>From: mwsr...@aol.com.eatspam (MwsReader)
>Great list, Mr. Neeek... I mean, pardner. (Ride the High Country
>is #1 for me, too.)
>
Just watched it the other night. Still holds up.
>Here are some others I think are worth a look. (By category, not rating.)
>
Did you jess come up with the categories on your lonesome? I'm impressed.
>MOVE ALONG, LITTLE DOGGIES:
>
>Red River
>Lonesome Dove
>Cowboy
>Go West (Keaton's)
>Rancho Deluxe
My favorite category. There's something fascinating about herding bovines
around. We're talking, after all, cow-boys.
Whatever happened to Tom McGuane by the way? Rancho Deluxe was quite a tale.
Good list, Ken.
mr._neeek,_sr.
wrote:
Well, of course. Although I personally thought Dances With Wolves was
unwatchable, so, after the first few minutes, I shut it off. Costner's
EARP was also monstrously unwatchable -- we walked out of the
screening about 5 or 6 minutes into it.
Now, it would be impossible to actually rate many of these because
they're that effing good, but ... Henry Fonda in Once Upon A Time In
The West really, really gets me does it for me; and I'm still hoping
that after I finish my cowboy script (assuming I start it) I can get
youknowwho to take a part in it...
MC
bric...@aol.com (BrickRage) wrote:
> My favorite category. There's something fascinating about herding bovines
> around. We're talking, after all, cow-boys.
>
> Whatever happened to Tom McGuane by the way? Rancho Deluxe was quite a tale.
>
> Good list, Ken.
Mebbe, pardner. But he left out Move Along Little Moggies.
MwsReader
> Did you jess come up with the categories on your lonesome?
The categories just happpened, real natural like. I went through my
Western drawer and made a list, added a few I don't have, and instantly
saw that they fell into groups, which practically named themselves.
- and -
> Whatever happened to Tom McGuane by the way? Rancho Deluxe was quite a tale.
I think he's entirely into nonfiction these days. (Being married to
Margot Kidder must've done it...)
I still think of that movie and Harry Dean Stanton whenever I set about
to "Hoover the Navahos..."
Ken
MwsReader
> ... I personally thought Dances With Wolves was
> unwatchable, so, after the first few minutes, I shut it off. Costner's
> EARP was also monstrously unwatchable...
I know DWW didn't work for many, but for me, it was at worst a noble
attempt. (And there are precious few other westerns worth watching
from the latter few decades of the 20th Century. Except, perhaps,
some of the Sam Elliott cable ones...)
And if I'm going for Earp, Gunfight at the OK Coral will do the trick.
(Hour of the Gun almost makes it, but doesn't quite work. And now
that I think about it, I didn't half mind the Kurt Russell / Val Kilmer one.)
> Now, it would be impossible to actually rate many of these because
> they're that effing good, but ... Henry Fonda in Once Upon A Time In
> The West really, really gets me does it for me
No one, ever, was a more ominous Western villain than Fonda in
OUATITW. His eyes are absolutely unforgettable. (Makes Jack
Palance in Shane look like a sissy, and that's no easy trick!)
Fonda was also terrific as a "not-all-bad bad guy" in the flawed, but
pretty good Fire Creek. It's another that fits into that "desperadoes
take over a tiny town" genre, along the lines of Day of the Outlaws,
The Yellow Sky, At Gunpoint, Welcome to Hard Times and others.
(In Welcome to Hard Times, it was Fonda who was the "weak
townsperson forced into action" character, much like the one played
by Jimmy Stewart in Fire Creek.)
In case people wonder why we're (I'm) obsessing over Westerns, even
though they're sadly neglected by the studios these days, the answer
is that they are still terrific models of dramatic form, and can be used
as templates for stories set in other genres. Check out Pitch Black,
then take a look at Stagecoach, if you want to see what I mean.
I watch Westerns 'cause I love 'em. I study Westerns so I can steal
from 'em.
Ken
BrickRage
>From: mwsr...@aol.com.eatspam (MwsReader)
> Rancho Deluxe
>I still think of that movie and Harry Dean Stanton whenever I set about
>to "Hoover the Navahos..."
He's got all the rugs laying outside on the huge lawn of the Brown house and
he's vacuuming them. Somebody asks him what in hell he's doing -- "Mrs. Brown
told me to Hoover the Navajos."
I was gonna mention that line before but thought it might be too obscure. Not
for Ken apparently.
Then there's Slim Pickins. Slim's line after he cuts out the slug that downed a
steer out on the cold Montana range, (he identifies the bullet as coming from a
50 caliber Sharps rifle) "This is startin' to git downright romantic!"
mr._neeek,_sr.
wrote:
>Mr. Neeek wrote:
>
> > ... I personally thought Dances With Wolves was
> > unwatchable, so, after the first few minutes, I shut it off. Costner's
> > EARP was also monstrously unwatchable...
>
>I know DWW didn't work for many, but for me, it was at worst a noble
>attempt. (And there are precious few other westerns worth watching
>from the latter few decades of the 20th Century. Except, perhaps,
>some of the Sam Elliott cable ones...)
Well, then, I guess you *did* know who "youknowwho" is...
>
>And if I'm going for Earp, Gunfight at the OK Coral will do the trick.
>(Hour of the Gun almost makes it, but doesn't quite work. And now
>that I think about it, I didn't half mind the Kurt Russell / Val Kilmer one.)
Tombstone was okay fun.
>
> > Now, it would be impossible to actually rate many of these because
> > they're that effing good, but ... Henry Fonda in Once Upon A Time In
> > The West really, really gets me does it for me
>
>No one, ever, was a more ominous Western villain than Fonda in
>OUATITW. His eyes are absolutely unforgettable. (Makes Jack
>Palance in Shane look like a sissy, and that's no easy trick!)
>Fonda was also terrific as a "not-all-bad bad guy" in the flawed, but
>pretty good Fire Creek. It's another that fits into that "desperadoes
>take over a tiny town" genre, along the lines of Day of the Outlaws,
>The Yellow Sky, At Gunpoint, Welcome to Hard Times and others.
>(In Welcome to Hard Times, it was Fonda who was the "weak
>townsperson forced into action" character, much like the one played
>by Jimmy Stewart in Fire Creek.)
>
>In case people wonder why we're (I'm) obsessing over Westerns, even
>though they're sadly neglected by the studios these days, the answer
>is that they are still terrific models of dramatic form, and can be used
>as templates for stories set in other genres. Check out Pitch Black,
>then take a look at Stagecoach, if you want to see what I mean.
>
>I watch Westerns 'cause I love 'em. I study Westerns so I can steal
>from 'em.
>
>Ken
Don't give away *all* of our secrets, eh, Ken?
BrickRage
>From: mwsr...@aol.com.eatspam (MwsReader)
>In case people wonder why we're (I'm) obsessing over Westerns, even
>though they're sadly neglected by the studios these days, the answer
>is that they are still terrific models of dramatic form, and can be used
>as templates for stories set in other genres.
I still maintain that The Third Man falls very neatly into that form. A
stranger shows up in town, has a run in with the local sheriff, meets and falls
for a dance-hall gal etc etc.
And what does Holly (Rollo) Martins do? He writes "cheap novelettes" -- "The
Lone Rider of Santa Fe" "Death at Double X Ranch" -- and even says at one
point, "Nobody reads Westerns nowadays. Harry liked them though."
MC
bric...@aol.com (BrickRage) wrote:
> >From: mwsr...@aol.com.eatspam (MwsReader)
>
> >In case people wonder why we're (I'm) obsessing over Westerns, even
> >though they're sadly neglected by the studios these days, the answer
> >is that they are still terrific models of dramatic form, and can be used
> >as templates for stories set in other genres.
One of the best lines from any film comes from My Darling Clementine.
Henry Fonda is in a bar, about to go out for the classic
gunfight/showdown.
Fonda: You ever been in love?
Bartender: Nope, I've been a bartender all my life.
mr._neeek,_sr.
he shoots (was it Billy? - it's been so long I've forgotten who got
shot but I remember the line) the dude with the 16 dimes?
BrickRage
>From: Mr. Neeek, Sr.
>Yeah, and what does Cristofferson say to your man, Bobby Dylan, after
>he shoots (was it Billy? - it's been so long I've forgotten who got
>shot but I remember the line) the dude with the 16 dimes?
Let's see. Kristofferson was Billy. Dylan was named "Alias" and he threw
knives. Jim Coburn was Pat Garrett. I used to know the guy that wrote it --
Rudy Wurlitzer, but I don't remember too many lines. I think the dude with the
dimes was Jack Elam (Alamosa Bill - the deputy).
From Imdb:
Peckinpah's final western movie, shot on location in miserable conditions in
Durango, Mexico in late 1972/early 1973, looks at the legend of Pat Garrett and
William Bonney (a.k.a. Billy The Kid) as a Greek tragedy of sorts. James Coburn
is superb as Garrett, the former outlaw who has been hired on by the so-called
"Santa Fe ring" of business tycoons as sheriff to track down his old friend
Billy (Kris Kristofferson, also quite good). Coburn takes no pleasure out of
having to do this, or killing former friends who have now become enemies. As he
tells Billy, "It feels like times have changed" (and not for the better).
Kristofferson, however, remains the same backshooter he was--"Times maybe. Not
me."
MGM brass cut the shit out of the film and made it pretty incoherent, even for
1973. Peckinpah spent the next few years being drunk on his ass. After Sam
died, Roger Spottiswoode managed to get a director's cut released. An
infinitely better version.
mr._neeek,_sr.
The line was: "Keep the change!"
Tom McDonough
I reckon that these here ten is the gol darndest best ten ever made:
THE TWO VERY BEST
1) Stagecoach (1939)
2) Shane
EIGHT MAGNIFICENT ALSO RANS
3) The Westerner
4) High Noon
5) Red River
6) Covered Wagon
7) The Searchers
8) The Wild Bunch
9) The Magnificent Seven
and as a special nod to two of the greatest cowpokes to ever adorn the
silver screen,
10) Way Out West
I also got me a list of 25 worst that includes the work of such sons of
the saddle as Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, Stewart Granger, and Jimmy
"Lonesome Red" Cagney, but I reckon I'll save these here uns for another
day cause right now I got a hankerin' to mosey on down to the cantina
and get myself a couple good snorts of Rub Of The Brush.
See youse all at sunup, buckaroos.
Regards,
Saul "Hellfire" Silverman
Mesquite, Texas
MwsReader
> MwsReader said ...
>
> Q:Bad Day at Black Rock
> Q:
> Do you consider a contemporary movie set in the west the same as
> a western?
Bad Day at Black Rock is set in the 20th Century, but its theme,
structure and characters are classic Western. Same with Lonely
Are the Brave. There are others that bridge two eras. The Misfits
and Junior Bonner come to mind.
The truly weird crossovers were the 100s of B features and serials
in the 30s and 40s that were written and played just like normal
period Westerns, except for minor details like having the evil banker
pull up to the ranch in a car, or the gunfighting cowboy do a radio
broadcast. (Or, better yet, fight robot monsters...)
Ken
LODGESTE
>
>Bartender: Nope, I've been a bartender all my life.
An adlib, by the way. From the diector, John Ford.
LODGESTE
> Q:
>Do you consider a contemporary movie set in the west the same as
>a western?
BDABR was a Western, modern or not. If they have a typical Western theme, I
think so.
LODGESTE
>1) Stagecoach (1939)
>2) Shane
>
>EIGHT MAGNIFICENT ALSO RANS
>3) The Westerner
>4) High Noon
>5) Red River
>6) Covered Wagon
>7) The Searchers
>8) The Wild Bunch
>9) The Magnificent Seven
Very good choices.
Steve
MC
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ManhattanEET
>Rudy Wurlitzer
Great! I'm sure you've seen "Candy Mountain," one of my all-time favoite road
movies, he made with Robert Frank.
And then there's that Rolling Stones movie whose title escapes me (no it
doesn't, but we're in mixed company).
How'd you get to meet him? And what's he doing now?
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>Rudy Wurlitzer
>I'm sure you've seen "Candy Mountain," one of my all-time favoite road
>movies, he made with Robert Frank.
Good one. He did another one with Frank called "Energy and How To Get It" --
the cast included Wm. Burroughs and Dr. John.
Then there was "Walker" with crazy Alex Cox. Ed Harris plays William Walker who
was backed by Vanderbilt to stage a coup in Nicaragua in the late 1800s.
>How'd you get to meet him? And what's he doing now?
He and Sam Shepard are old pals and I met him through Sam. I haven't run into
him in many years but I heard Rudy is working with Antonioni now.
Geez, I wonder why he never got into the Hollywood mainstream?
nmstevens
(snip)
> OUATITW. His eyes are absolutely unforgettable. (Makes Jack
> Palance in Shane look like a sissy, and that's no easy trick!)
He has one of the great bad guy lines in that movie:
"People scare easier when they're dyin'."
NMS