JOHN WOO SUCKS!
Ultral6776
and belong in the shitter.....
AliasMoze
ADR
"Ultral6776" <ultra...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> No need to elaborate. All of his American action films are terrible,
laughable,
> and belong in the shitter.....
He's not Spielberg you know. He's just an action flick maker and nobody said
actioners were going to win awards.
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I love watching a good action film. I know that action films are
extremely difficult to write and make well. John Woo's action sequences
are well thought out, I think, but the way he puts them together on
screen is where he goes wrong. I hate the Whoosh! sound effects as the
camera pans and all the slow motion, too. Mission Impossible 2 was by
no means a bad movie but it could have been so much better.
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Boyler
much wine.....or just bored...unlike me tho' as I love watching
movies....maybe it was the 'Whoosh'....or the 'backwhoosh'....
watched Kevin Bacon last nite in (?) Stir of Echoes....simple & to the
point.....
Anyways, happy new year to you folks,
Paul Boyle,
Rep of Ireland
douglas...@hotmailnospammy.com
And all the same to you, Paul! Hands across the water, and all that!
Doug
Just a virtual guy... in a virtual world.
HollywoodMuscle
films (acting, stories, etc.) don't usually hold up to it. Especially his
U.S. films which are a definate step below his H.K. work
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Carnak
>No need to elaborate. All of his American action films are terrible, laughable,
>and belong in the shitter.....
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Just a moment...I'm not even a Woo fan, but MIII had this
fantastic motorcycle-chase sequence at the end...the payoff of the
entire picture..probably the most energetic, best-edited chase
sequence ever shot...worth the price....
Carnak
Ultral6776
>fantastic motorcycle-chase sequence at the end...the payoff of the
>entire picture..probably the most energetic, best-edited chase
>sequence ever shot...worth the price....
>
> Carnak
The "joust" was ridiculous! The truck chase in Raiders and even the scene in
Point Break with Keanu Reeves chasing Patrick Swayze on foot are far better. Or
how about the snow skiing "chase" from For Your Eyes Only? There are many
great chase sequences and action sequences, in general, that blow away anything
we've seen John Woo do.
Filmie74
>Message-id: <20010103173911...@ng-fu1.aol.com>:
>>Just a moment...I'm not even a Woo fan, but MIII had this
>>fantastic motorcycle-chase sequence at the end...the payoff of the
>>entire picture..probably the most energetic, best-edited chase
>>sequence ever shot...worth the price....
>>
>> Carnak
>
>The "joust" was ridiculous!
agreed. I can't STAND M:I 2, what a godawful film
"best-edited chase sequence ever shot"?! you need to watch more films
traw...@my-deja.com
> agreed. I can't STAND M:I 2, what a godawful film
>
> "best-edited chase sequence ever shot"?! you need to watch more films
Gotta say something here.
Don't know about John Woo's editing, but to me it's his choreography
and photography that are unparalleled. Nobody uses slo-mo like him, and
nobody has such a talent for choosing the exact *right* shot to be
filmed in slo-mo like him.
MI2's saving grace was the highly energetic chase scene, but it seemed
to me that the entire movie was just Woo's big wink to the audience. As
in "You want cool slo-mo action scenes? You want macho two-gun
posturing? You want melodrama? Here you go, in *spades*!" Chalk it up
to him being signed on to a movie that he has no emotional investment
in. Years from now he'll talk about the whole experience as being as
stifling as that dumb Van Damme flick.
Whaddya mean he hasn't made as good a movie in Hollywood as he has in
Hong Kong? Face/Off? One of the best action movies ever, in terms of
chracterization and depth! Right up there with Die Hard, me says. And
The Killer is overrated.
Ultral6776
he does, it interrupts the "pace" of the film. Face/Off had a good story, etc.
but the action scenes for too over-the-top and corny. There are too many corny
moments to mention. I'd love to sit down with someone who loves John Woo's work
and point out all the shots I mean. Just another comment on MI:2....why in the
hell did Ethan Hunt pull a flip before opening his parachute? Why? What was the
point? Would he really pull a flip like that after escaping the building and
right after leaving his newfound love (who will die in 20 hours) behind? He had
alot on his mind in that moment...oh, yet he thought "I'll pull a flip before
opening my chute just to amuse myself". That was stupid. I laughed and thought
"What is this Woo guy thinking?".
I recommend watching Blackjack by John Woo....good for many laughs. Also, the
fight on the beach in MI:2 was terrible. The choreography was awful. The fight
dragged on forever and the slow motion only made it worse. I hate when people
call John Woo's action "balletic" because of the slow-mo. That is bullshit. You
wanna see balletic action then watch Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon's action
scenes. Or the wonderful lightsaber fights from the StarWars films. To me, the
greatest action/stunt film is Raiders of the Lost Ark. I can't even imagine how
bad that would've been if John Woo got his hands on it. Thank god he didn't.
traw...@my-deja.com
>You
> wanna see balletic action then watch Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon's
action
> scenes. Or the wonderful lightsaber fights from the StarWars films.
No argument on CTHD, but Star Wars? Phantom Menace, yes. Empire Strikes
Back, possibly. A New Hope and Return of the Jedi, no. But they've all
got an unfair advantage - glowing laser swords whipping and slashing
and clashing are just *Too Cool*.
Jackie Chan, man. Or Yuen Woo-Ping, now that guy's a god - but he's not
a director or a storyteller, so most of the movies he worked on sucked.
> First off, John Woo absolutely does NOT know when to insert a slo-mo
shot. When
> he does, it interrupts the "pace" of the film.
Oh, piss off. Next thing you're gonna crap on Michael Bay's work.
(My first troll on MWS, hey. :)
HollywoodMuscle
motorcycle chase scene. Don't know what it was, but both MI films put me
right to sleep.
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Ultral6776
a tad far-fetched, but DePalma gave it just the right touch for you to suspend
disbelief for those five minutes or so. It had a nice score by Elfman, which I
prefer to the rock soundtrack on the second one (I did like main theme played
by the heavy metal guitar, though). The first one had better writing and was
simply more intriguing. The Ethan Hunt character had more depth, also....he
also seemed like he was a real secret agent. No doubt TC will do a third
film...just hope he leaves "the woo" behind.
About DePalma. What's his deal? For every great movie he's made, he has other
bad ones to go along with it. I thought Mission to Mars was going to be great
but it was anything but that. Raising Cain was also another DePalma stinker. I
happen to like BOTV so I won't mention that one. Just hope his next film gets
him back on track.
Filmie74
>Message-id: <931k59$vnp$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
>>You
>> wanna see balletic action then watch Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon's
>action
>> scenes. Or the wonderful lightsaber fights from the StarWars films.
>
>No argument on CTHD
EVERYONE GO SEE CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON!!
>, but Star Wars? Phantom Menace, yes. Empire Strikes
>Back, possibly. A New Hope and Return of the Jedi, no. But they've all
>got an unfair advantage - glowing laser swords whipping and slashing
>and clashing are just *Too Cool*.
it's still impressive
>Jackie Chan, man. Or Yuen Woo-Ping, now that guy's a god - but he's not
>a director or a storyteller, so most of the movies he worked on sucked.
agreed.
>> First off, John Woo absolutely does NOT know when to insert a slo-mo
>shot. When
>> he does, it interrupts the "pace" of the film.
>
>Oh, piss off. Next thing you're gonna crap on Michael Bay's work.
Bay's shots are great, very photographic. he knows how to make an event film
eventful. too bad he doesn't know how to pick a good story or how to direct
his actors
>(My first troll on MWS, hey. :)
lol
Sam
> Don't know about John Woo's editing, but to me it's his choreography
> and photography that are unparalleled. Nobody uses slo-mo like him, and
> nobody has such a talent for choosing the exact *right* shot to be
> filmed in slo-mo like him.
>
Try Sam Peckinpah.
Cheers, Sam (Stone)
,-)
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