Portrait of the Artist as Big Bird
John P David
"Heather Henderson" <hea...@scc.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:01:02 GMT, adaor...@hotmail.com (cms) wrote:
>
> >So, while your whole purpose is t throw a monkey wrech into the head
> >works of the squares . . .
See any number of previous such monkey wrenches as wielded by Socrates,
Christ, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Tom Paine, Napoleon, and Camille
Paglia---like prostitution, this sort of mechanic work is one of the World's
Oldest Professions, My Dear Girls, so just do try to get used to it.
>> you feel insulted and demeaned when they are
> >annoyed and choose to ignore you. Poor you.
Not overly, no. Indeed not in the least if I can keep myself up to the job,
because actually, when the Square Folk do ignore me, that's just fine--I
mean? Who needs such an utterly counterproductive pain in the ass. Still,
I learn to better recognize the challenge, or which is better, the
opportunity. When they get "annoyed" and nasty it is nothing but the fact of
being introduced to their own squareness which is such an awful annoyance to
them, to you, as it must be, just as your squareness has always been such a
horrible annoyance to me.
But the Square Frame of Mind is so gullible, such a prey to the stigmatizing
power of its own absurd icons in these two stereotypes of "Troll" and
"Kook", and your minds are so numbed by the force of their effect that when
I take them upon myself to show you what chimeras of nothingness they are,
what empty ghosts of prejudice and stereotype they are--what happens? Why,
all the more are you now blinded by them, as now any credibility I may have
had before (fat chance) is completely and utterly gone in your sight--as all
your most treasured stereotypical presumptions are confirmed right from the
horse's mouth. You were right all along! Huzzah! Get out the accordion
and play a polka, for now you may celebrate all the more the fact that now,
most especially now, you do not see the man, but only the costume of the
"Troll" or the "Kook".
Thus you remain asleep, all the more blind and numb in your arrogant
presumption that the status quo of your squareness should not be messed
with!
If I should take upon myself the mantles of "Troll" and "Kook" it is not to
a purpose of confirming your square stereotypes, nor is it to trivialize the
foulness of your intent in making use of such weapons--rather, it is to
demonstrate that aside from the evil you would do by your arrogant
intolerance of dissent, which is what's behind the objective, social intent
of your stigmatizing and stereotyping behavior with these "troll" and "kook"
Jew Stars, then I, like that mythical King of Denmark, take it upon myself
to wear it too, just to show you how the subjective effect on me is
laughable, absurd and painless, as I am, as I say, quite proud to wear
it--which as we now see is all the more an annoyance to you.-- if I don it
myself, your work is done.
So "poor me"? Not.
So funny.
> >
> >How would you know you were being a dissident if you weren't beng
> >ostracized?
Are you kidding? You've really got the cart before the horse there, Girlie.
All I need do to know my dissent, is turn on CNN, read some airhead post
coming in here from any one among a host of squares.
By this you have revealed how blind your perception of a cat like me really
is, as you really do think that my dissent can't be real, that it is all
just a game of mischief. You think that dissent is founded only by reaction
against a status quo? Get a clue. There is thought going on here, thought
which your own prejudices will not allow you to think. There are
convinctions and a moral order at work here that have been formed
independantly from the status quo, there are sentiments here, notions about
goodness, kindness and justice which are illuninating the spaces within my
head and heart which are insulted by clicking on a post from you, or by
turning on CNN.
When you smear the Troll Stigma on a person, or stitch the Kook Jew Star on
her breast, that person is dehumanized only in your sight--you have done
nothing yet to gas and burn the person who is really there. Didn't you even
know so much as that? Are your ears really that deafened by the taunts and
jeers of the herd around you that has your mind?
> > One cannot rebel against the conventions of a society and at
> >the same time hope to be embraced by its members ----
ROFLMAO!!
Listen to that. Can a full essence of squareness be expressed with more
lucidity than that?
See how rigid you are there in your square little box of societal
conventions, that you dare not even so much as consider the possibility of
being liberated from it, of changing your mind--of getting hip? See how
disastrously you have believed the truth of your own Icons of Stigma? And
now seeing that, you should (but won't) see the very character of the
blindness and numbness in people just like you that led to the holocaust.
You have made a god of the Conventions of Society, and a battalion of
knights of its goose-stepping "members". Piss on those members, piss on
each and every one until they should wake up and smell the piss to arise
from that bed of piss called "society" to become individuals, each a good
old fasioned Rebel King or Queen in his or her own right.
>> for if you are
> >then your rebellion is empty and without threat to that society's
> >foundation, like a fourteen year old girl who streaks her hair purple
> >with Manic Panic.
She is doing the best she can.
>
> And then whines and flounces around in frustration because nobody
> comments on it. That's basically what we've got here: the childish
> demand for attention, any at all, even if it's negative. The only
> difference is that our friend Jean Paul fortifies his whine with
> bullying tough-guy lingo, trying to make up for his lack of balls.
Should I be surprised to hear that sort of shop Gestapo talk coming from the
Accordion Dreams Girl--who is still running around in the shadow of Babe the
Blue Ox, among the trees with that bag over her head?
I am Super Jew, the Super Troll and Super Kook, who is ready and happy and
more than willing to put you all through the Woodchipper of Truth.
Selah
>
> Heather
> hea...@scc.net
> http://www.scc.net/~heather
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"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher
esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. --Friedrich
Nietzsche
"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of
tyranny over the mind of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
"The whole spice of life is to be judged inferior by the inferior judgment
of one's inferiors. In the end, happily, it all adds up to
truth!." --JPDavid
John P David
misused and has now been replaced with the word in [...] below . . .
> > One cannot rebel against the conventions of a society and at
> >the same time hope to be embraced by its members ----
ROFLMAO!!
Listen to that. Can a full essence of squareness be expressed with more
lucidity?
See how rigid you are there in your square little cat-box of societal
conventions, that you dare not even so much as consider the possibility of
being liberated from it, of changing your mind--of getting hip? See how
disastrously you have believed the [lies] in your own Icons of Stigma? And
now seeing that, you should (but won't) see the very character of the
blindness and numbness in people just like you that leads to the holocaust.
You would do to me, what the Jew Star did to the Jew. You won't face that
extreme of evil in yourself. You trivialize it or you justify it to say
that I brought it on myself--but only because we disagree. See how
dangerous you are?
The intent behind words like "kook" and "troll" is to dehumanize by robbing
a person of all credibility, to make a mask of that face, to put a hook nose
and beady little eyes on it, to say of such a person that she is utterly
without value. That's what the "troll" Jew Star accomplishes. The "kook"
Jew Star puts the person on the train to chemical death in Auschwitz. The
intent of the hate behind a "kook" label has killing force and that is why
you use it. That is what you hope it will accomplish. You use it because you
know all about the Snake Pit and you know that people get destroyed in it.
You know that all it takes is a consensus of public opinion to get anyone
committed, so you know the police power behind a Gestapo word like "kook"
when that word is being used against folks who simply don't agree with you.
That is evil and there are no two ways about it. Why do you think a
kill-file is called a "kill-file"? The hatred of the intent is transparent.
The Killfile is your own personal little gas chamber. And the word "plonk"
means . . .
Sieg Heil!
Absurdly however, there's nothing more ridiculous than the sight of a bunch
of Big Birds trying to march the goose-step.
--
JPDavid long_go...@nobodyfeelsanypain.com
cms
wrote:
>
>"Heather Henderson" <hea...@scc.net> wrote in message
>news:3cb315e7...@news.scc.net...
>> On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:01:02 GMT, adaor...@hotmail.com (cms) wrote:
>>
>> >So, while your whole purpose is t throw a monkey wrech into the head
>> >works of the squares . . .
>
>See any number of previous such monkey wrenches as wielded by Socrates,
>Christ, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Tom Paine, Napoleon, and Camille
>Paglia---like prostitution, this sort of mechanic work is one of the World's
>Oldest Professions, My Dear Girls, so just do try to get used to it.
Go for it, man, I don't care, you dig? Have an opinion. Have it be
diffrent from mine. It's no skin off my nose and I ain't gonna fuck with
you.
>Thus you remain asleep, all the more blind and numb in your arrogant
>presumption that the status quo of your squareness should not be messed
>with!
That wasn't my point. Go a head and mess with my squareness, if you want
My point was that if people find you annoying, they aren't going to
listen to you. Since you claim your whole goal is to be annoying, you
can't very well complain when people choose to ignore you. You can
merely suggest it will be at thier peril. You are welcome to challange
my ideas or my presumptions, but the manner in which you do it may
determine whether you make me a convert or drive me further into
dogmatism. People don't react to insults by pondering how to improve
themselves.
>If I should take upon myself the mantles of "Troll" and "Kook" it is not to
>a purpose of confirming your square stereotypes, nor is it to trivialize the
>foulness of your intent in making use of such weapons--rather, it is to
>demonstrate that aside from the evil you would do by your arrogant
>intolerance of dissent,
Ay, there's the rub. Intolerance of dissent, huh? Nobody's trying to
prevent you from expressing your opion. They are choosing to ignore you.
That's very diffrent. I'm all for letting the KKK march down main street
if they want, but you can't force me to go watch the parade. You have
the right to free speech, not a guarenteed audience.
>> >How would you know you were being a dissident if you weren't beng
>> >ostracized?
>
>Are you kidding? You've really got the cart before the horse there, Girlie.
>All I need do to know my dissent, is turn on CNN, read some airhead post
>coming in here from any one among a host of squares.
Oh, really? Dissidence carries a price. To dissent is to reject and
rebel against the fundamental values of a given society --- Usenet,
American, r.a.b., Flat Earth. If you reject the finadmental values of a
society, you will be excluded from it. Ostracized.
>By this you have revealed how blind your perception of a cat like me really
>is, as you really do think that my dissent can't be real, that it is all
>just a game of mischief.
No, I think you're dead serious.
>You think that dissent is founded only by reaction
>against a status quo? Get a clue. There is thought going on here, thought
>which your own prejudices will not allow you to think. There are
>convinctions and a moral order at work here that have been formed
>independantly from the status quo, there are sentiments here, notions about
>goodness, kindness and justice which are illuninating the spaces within my
>head and heart which are insulted by clicking on a post from you, or by
>turning on CNN.
How nice for you. You have opinion, even maybe a philosophy, which is
different from mine. Woo hoo. Rock on, brother. So why should I listen
to you? Why should I change my mind? And if you don't care whether I
change my mind or not, why should I stand here and be insulted? Because
I'm supposed to find it broadening?
>When you smear the Troll Stigma on a person, or stitch the Kook Jew Star on
>her breast, that person is dehumanized only in your sight--you have done
>nothing yet to gas and burn the person who is really there. Didn't you even
>know so much as that? Are your ears really that deafened by the taunts and
>jeers of the herd around you that has your mind?
Oh, dear. Now I see your point. Your comparison of your travails to
those suffered by the Jews during the Holocaust has convinced me of the
depth of your suffering.
>> > One cannot rebel against the conventions of a society and at
>> >the same time hope to be embraced by its members ----
>
>ROFLMAO!!
>
>Listen to that. Can a full essence of squareness be expressed with more
>lucidity than that?
>
>See how rigid you are there in your square little box of societal
>conventions, that you dare not even so much as consider the possibility of
>being liberated from it, of changing your mind--of getting hip? See how
>disastrously you have believed the truth of your own Icons of Stigma? And
>now seeing that, you should (but won't) see the very character of the
>blindness and numbness in people just like you that led to the holocaust.
Sigh. My point was not that embracing the conventions of a society is
always desirable. My point was that rejecting those values and at the
same time trying to get people who accept them to treat you with respect
is pretty much a mutaly exclusive proposition. Ostracism is the price of
dissent. Or better say ostracism is the price of dangerous dissent, the
price of having and living according to truly revolutionary ideals.
Dissent without cost is hollow.
cms
Heather Henderson
wrote:
>I am Super Jew, the Super Troll and Super Kook, who is ready and happy and
>more than willing to put you all through the Woodchipper of Truth.
Yeah, and you know what happened to Peter Stormare's character in
"Fargo". But frankly, you remind me more of Steve Buscemi.
Heather Gunderson
hea...@scc.net
http://www.scc.net/~heather
Alan Brooks
John P David wrote:
<word salad snipped>
> The intent behind words like "kook" and "troll" is to dehumanize by robbing
> a person of all credibility
<more word salad snipped>
Sometimes. Other times it's just pointing out that you don't have any,
Jerv, as demonstrated by your repeated and desperate cross-posting for
attention.
Alan Brooks
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A schmuck with an Underwood
-- Holy 1998, Batman, he's back and he still lack credibility.
Dawn Taylor
John P David wrote:
> "Heather Henderson" <hea...@scc.net> wrote in message
> news:3cb315e7...@news.scc.net...
> > On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:01:02 GMT, adaor...@hotmail.com (cms) wrote:
> >
> > >So, while your whole purpose is t throw a monkey wrech into the head
> > >works of the squares . . .
>
> See any number of previous such monkey wrenches as wielded by Socrates,
> Christ, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Tom Paine, Napoleon, and Camille
> Paglia---
They posted to Usenet, too?
Who knew.
Dawn
William Penrose
wrote:
>On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:18:53 -0500, "John P David" <dadd...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I am Super Jew, the Super Troll and Super Kook, who is ready and happy and
>>more than willing to put you all through the Woodchipper of Truth.
>
>Yeah, and you know what happened to Peter Stormare's character in
>"Fargo".
Stan, I'm serving notice that I'm going to steal the expression 'The
Woodchipper of Truth.'
It's too good not to steal.
Super Jew is hard to read because he can't control his temper, and I
read very little of him, but hidden in his stuff are occasional blips
of pure genius.
Bill Penrose (but then, Wagner was a genius, too)
Jeff Inman
> John P David wrote:
> > The intent behind words like "kook" and "troll" is to dehumanize by robbing
> > a person of all credibility
>
> Jerv, as demonstrated by your repeated and desperate cross-posting for
> attention.
>
> Alan Brooks
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> A schmuck with an Underwood
>
Ha! It's amazing how much credibility he doesn't have.
John P David
"Jeff Inman" <jeff...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > -- Holy 1998, Batman, he's back and he still lack[s] credibility.
>
> Ha! It's amazing how much credibility he doesn't have.
Note the form of this. What is it?
You will know it, for one thing, by the tone of smugness. It is very smug.
Indeed, how very, very smug it is, and why?
Well! What is the very essence of smugness other than two men gossiping
about another man? You simply can't do that without being smug.
And when you are smug, you sound smug, and as you sound so smug, it is
simply impossible to sound credible.
So, it appears that the club of those who are found lacking in credibility
is not in the least way real fancy and exclusive, is it? I'd venture to say
that it's about as hard to get into as the YMCA. As to the Club of Those
Who are Smug, it's much easier--all you need to get in is a complete lack of
taste and a birth certificate.
But would a Library Card do?
Not at all. That would be counterproductive.