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E27002

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Nov 16, 2009, 12:24:55 PM11/16/09
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On Nov 14, 5:09 pm, "nickw7...@gmail.com" <nickw7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dozens of shop owners in Soho, central London, must quit their
> buildings by next week to make way for Crossrail.
>
> The 84 landlords around Tottenham Court Road station must vacate their
> premises by 18 November for the £16bn scheme.
>
> The buildings in part of Oxford Street and Dean Street will be
> demolished to enable the station to be extended.
>
> More athttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8358924.stm

Is this really for Crossrail, or does this relate to the expansion of
the existing Central Line station, which Crossrail will share? I
didn't think funds for "real" Crossrail work had been released yet?

E27002

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Nov 16, 2009, 12:27:49 PM11/16/09
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On Nov 15, 1:13 pm, zzzz <phil.george...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fear not.  Motor Books is a long way from the Crossrail work, down by
> St Martins Lane.
> Those specialist shops are becoming a dying breed....
>
> On Nov 15, 5:47 pm, allanbonnetracy <allanbonnetr...@ireland.com>
> wrote:
> [snip]
>
>
>
> > I hope my gentleman’s special interest shop is not on that list.
> > It’s called Motor Books and I can confirm you’re always guaranteed to
> > get a good sorting out there.

Sad to hear CX Road is not what it once was. In my youth it was a
haven for music and book shops.

E27002

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Nov 16, 2009, 12:31:25 PM11/16/09
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On Nov 15, 3:21 pm, Stephen Furley <fur...@mail.croydon.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 15 Nov, 01:09, "nickw7...@gmail.com" <nickw7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The buildings in part of Oxford Street and Dean Street will be
> > demolished to enable the station to be extended.
>
> I don't often go to Oxford now, but I remember when using the Oxford
> Tube is passed a large area of vacent land, somewhere in West London.
> The houses which had stood on this land demolished to make way for a
> road widening scheme, which had been cancelled.  With the cutbacks
> which are coming, whoever wins the next election, the cancellation of
> Crossrail must be considered at least a possibility; i.e. cancelling
> it is still cheaper than completing it, so I wonder if we will see the
> same situation here.

As a rule, I oppose government spending money the taxpayer can ill
afford. However, in this case I sincerely hope the Crossrail project
is not cancelled. London needs Crossrail.

allanbonnetracy

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Nov 16, 2009, 12:45:54 PM11/16/09
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>
> As a rule, I oppose government spending money the taxpayer can ill
> afford.  However, in this case I sincerely hope the Crossrail project
> is not cancelled.  London needs Crossrail.
>

I’m one of those gloomy b******s that believes the recession still has
to get a lot worse before it can get any better, particularly in the
public sector which is still in phoney recession mode.

The key thing after the election comes the reality check and whether
rail traffic growth needs to be revised down as a result, particularly
commuting.

If so then it will start to get difficult to justify Crossrail.

Paul Scott

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Nov 16, 2009, 12:55:58 PM11/16/09
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Definitely for Crossrail AFAICT. Dean St will be the second entrance to
Tottenham Court Rd Crossrail station. Most of the properties required for
the development at the current entrance have already been demolished.

Paul S


Graeme

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Nov 16, 2009, 1:03:29 PM11/16/09
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In message <bf8c2dbe-7c22-42c6...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
allanbonnetracy <allanbo...@ireland.com> wrote:

> >
> > As a rule, I oppose government spending money the taxpayer can ill

> > afford. =A0However, in this case I sincerely hope the Crossrail project
> > is not cancelled. =A0London needs Crossrail.
> >
>
> I=92m one of those gloomy b******s that believes the recession still has


> to get a lot worse before it can get any better,

Well if Osbourne gets to be Chancellor the recession will definitely get a
lot worse.

--
Graeme Wall

This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

Steve Fitzgerald

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Nov 16, 2009, 3:19:24 PM11/16/09
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allanbonnetracy <allanbo...@ireland.com> writes

The problem is in my view is that we're not looking far enough ahead.

CR won't be complete for, say 6 or 8 (or even 10 ) years. By that time
I would like to think we'll be out of recession and into a boom again.
Problem is that there will be then a demand for more capacity on the
railways; but that won't happen for 5-10 years. So by doing this now,
we're able to provide for the boom in a few years.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
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Basil Jet

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Nov 16, 2009, 3:54:00 PM11/16/09
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Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> CR won't be complete for, say 6 or 8 (or even 10 ) years. By that
> time I would like to think we'll be out of recession and into a boom
> again. Problem is that there will be then a demand for more capacity
> on the railways; but that won't happen for 5-10 years. So by doing
> this now, we're able to provide for the boom in a few years.

Employing so many people to build it will help to end the recession, which
of course started with the collapse of the construction industry.

--
We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile.


E27002

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Nov 16, 2009, 4:46:15 PM11/16/09
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On Nov 16, 9:45 am, allanbonnetracy <allanbonnetr...@ireland.com>
wrote:

In the short term I am very pessimistic. Not only do the UK Labour,
and, US Democratic, parties have no clue about the depth of our
problems, but there is no effective alternative. The respective
Conservative and Republican parties are such in name only.

Only Australia, Israel, Poland, and possibly France (and then, only
because of pres. Sarkozy) offer a glimmer of hope.

However, and back on topic, London's transportation infrastructure is
severely overburdened. If she wants to remain Europe’s financial and
investment center, upgrades are essential.

Nick P

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Nov 17, 2009, 3:41:02 AM11/17/09
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It still is. Maybe not as much as you recall but the 20+ bookshops I passed
last week seemed to be doing quite well and I saw a few music and instrument
shops down the sidestreets.


Nick P

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Nov 17, 2009, 3:45:00 AM11/17/09
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"Paul Scott" <notvali...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Here's a view I saw a couple of months ago. Looked pretty much the same
yesterday.
http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z181/Baloonick/Roads/?action=view&current=DSC00195.jpg


Ian F.

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Nov 17, 2009, 4:09:45 AM11/17/09
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"Nick P" <nichola...@npedley.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> It still is. Maybe not as much as you recall but the 20+ bookshops I
> passed last week seemed to be doing quite well and I saw a few music and
> instrument shops down the sidestreets.

The music shops are mainly in Denmark Street - the British 'Tin Pan Alley'
to the older ones among us! ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark_Street

Ian

E27002

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Nov 17, 2009, 11:10:19 AM11/17/09
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On Nov 17, 12:45 am, "Nick P" <nicholasped...@npedley.freeserve.co.uk>
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> "Paul Scott" <notvalidpmsc...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> yesterday.http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z181/Baloonick/Roads/?action=view&...

Wow, Saint Giles Circus is a changing.

Nick P

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Nov 19, 2009, 5:19:54 PM11/19/09
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"Ian F." <wowfab...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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That would be the place I was thinking of. FWIW, I overestimated the number
of bookshops along CCR as there are only 12 with a few more in Cecil Court
and St Martins Court.


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