Re: West London Line - what recession?
E27002
> After a spell on the NLL sampling a 378 yesterday, I headed towards home via
> Willesden Junction and the West London Line.
>
> (Incidentally, I was very impressed with the Gospel Oak - where I boarded -
> 'Overground effect'. Bright, well staffed, clean, felt safe etc. A far cry
> from the Gospel Oak I remember of yore - closed booking office, dirty,
> broken down Bubble Cars on the GOBLIN etc).
>
> Willesden - Clapham was a 313, being the 'new trains' we are expecting
> shortly in Brighton. 3-NOL? Having started pretty well loaded, we were
> overwhelmed by the Westfield crowd at Shepherds Bush. Predominantly
> well-heeled looking young couples, returning with lots of boutique-style
> bags to Battersea, Wandsworth and the nicer bits of Surrey, I imagine. Not
> sure what to make of this, really. On the one hand, it's clear Westfield
> must have a significant public transport penetration. Much better than the
> public transport disaster which is Lakeside. On the other hand, you can't
> shop in two places at the same time, so somewhere else must be hurting
> badly. Oxford Street, perhaps - and *yet again* much of central London
> surface transport was seriously disrupted by a march. But the tourists
> should keep zone 1 shopping in good health, so it must be the high streets
> feeling the pain.
>
> Real crush loading on leaving Olympia. The real surprise, for me, was
> Imperial Wharf. I expected very little patronage, the parallel being some of
> the stations on the DLR extensions in the early days. In fact, in my
> carriage alone, I reckon about 30 alighted. As we pulled into Clapham, a
> sizeable throng were waiting to board, albeit swelled by the Chelsea
> football crowd. Not the quiet backwater I remember from a decade or more
> ago.
>
> I imagine, as Christmas shopping ramps up, there will be people unable to
> board at Shepherds Bush. Does this happen already? God forbid that IKEA open
> a place at/near Westfield, and pax try to struggle on with self-assembly
> wardrobes etc........
>
This is good to hear. It is a pity IMHO that the West London lines
has to carry such a mix of local, transit, intercity, and freight
traffic. From what I have read, there is little room for more
traffic.
Peter Masson
"E27002" <e27...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>This is good to hear. It is a pity IMHO that the West London lines
>has to carry such a mix of local, transit, intercity, and freight
>traffic. From what I have read, there is little room for more
>traffic.
No intercity traffic any more. But LO will get a big increase in capacity
when it goes to 4tph of 4 coach trains.
Peter
(old enough to have travelled on the train to Clapham Junction when the
service was 2 trains per day, steam-hauled, on the Motorail to Fishguard,
and more recently Deltic-hauled from Bromley South).
The Gardener
It is a pity IMHO that the West London lines
> has to carry such a mix of local, transit, intercity, and freight
> traffic. From what I have read, there is little room for more
> traffic.
In its present form, yes, although increasing linespeed, replacing the
three-aspect signals with 4-aspect, reinstating the southbound loop at
Olympia (as has already been mentioned), relaying the points at
Olympia to allow higher-speed entry and exit to the loop (and ensuring
any new loop is also so fitted) and extending the AC electrification
to Shepherd's Bush (so that time need not be wasted stopped at North
Pole to do the changeover) could all help to increase capacity.
BTW, there are now no InterCity (or similar) trains on the line
following the December 2008 timetable change when the Cross Country
services to Brighton were withdrawn.
Recliner
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And Eurostars no longer use the line to access their former (North Pole)
depot.
E27002
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:54:37 +0000, asdf wrote:
> > Perhaps I'm missing something, but surely if the route is overflowing
> > with passengers then there is no need for any subsidy?
>
> > Or are London bus fares really so low that even a fully-loaded bus does
> > not cover its own running costs?
>
> London's public transport system always seems to be far too expensive to
> get more people off the roads and onto buses and trains.
>
Compared with other urban transit systems that I utilize, London's
fares seem unreal. Journeys cost many times their equivalent in say
Atlanta, Louisville, or Los Angeles.
London's costs, including transit fares, are a factor in making London
and unattractive metropolis in which to do business.
Neil Williams
wrote:
>Compared with other urban transit systems that I utilize, London's
>fares seem unreal. Journeys cost many times their equivalent in say
>Atlanta, Louisville, or Los Angeles.
But ignoring the "penalty" cash fares, they compare very favourably
with the rest of the UK.
>London's costs, including transit fares, are a factor in making London
>and unattractive metropolis in which to do business.
I'm not sure that those making such decisions for big business care
about the price of using buses and trains, as such people will tend to
use chauffeur-driven car services instead (or at the very least
taxis).
Neil
--
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Put my first name before the at to reply.
E27002
wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:07:45 -0700 (PDT), E27002 <e27...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Compared with other urban transit systems that I utilize, London's
> >fares seem unreal. Journeys cost many times their equivalent in say
> >Atlanta, Louisville, or Los Angeles.
>
> But ignoring the "penalty" cash fares, they compare very favourably
> with the rest of the UK.
>
centers. And, for that matter tourist destinations.
When I have worked in Edinburgh, the monthly, all routes, bus pass has
seemed reasonable. Although it has been several years since I have
had that pleasure.
> >London's costs, including transit fares, are a factor in making London
> >and unattractive metropolis in which to do business.
>
> I'm not sure that those making such decisions for big business care
> about the price of using buses and trains, as such people will tend to
> use chauffeur-driven car services instead (or at the very least
> taxis).
>
It certainly affects employees. I would think that employee
accommodation and transportation costs would at least be a
consideration. London scores badly on both.
Chris Read
"E27002" <e27...@gmail.com> wrote:
>London's costs, including transit fares, are a factor in making London
>and unattractive metropolis in which to do business.
Really? People won't do business here because a bus fare costs about half
the price of a small coffee in Starbucks?
When we have people hiding in trucks at Dover, trying to escape the UK, as
opposed to hiding in trucks at Calais trying to get in, I'll accept that
we're no longer a good place to do business.
Chris
E27002
When I choose an IT contract there are certain cost that I take into
account, the rate, the cost of temporary accommodation, food and
transportation costs. I then factor in issues like safety and the
local environment.
London tends to be less attractive than Edinburgh, Los Angeles, or
Omaha. But, you needn't be concerned; you have plenty of folks
waiting in trucks at Calais. I am sure they will be able to install
and maintain software at your companies, financial institutions, etc.
Martin Edwards
> On Oct 27, 3:14 pm, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams)
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:07:45 -0700 (PDT), E27002 <e27...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Compared with other urban transit systems that I utilize, London's
>>> fares seem unreal. Journeys cost many times their equivalent in say
>>> Atlanta, Louisville, or Los Angeles.
>> But ignoring the "penalty" cash fares, they compare very favourably
>> with the rest of the UK.
>>
> But, they are high compared with competing international business
> centers. And, for that matter tourist destinations.
>
> When I have worked in Edinburgh, the monthly, all routes, bus pass has
> seemed reasonable. Although it has been several years since I have
> had that pleasure.
>
Midlands (the transit authority is still indirectly elected for the
whole area) is excellent value, with the three month version best of
all. It even includes intercity trains on the part of the
(London-Glasgow) main line within the county. The single trolley line
has street running at the Wolverhampton end. We'd love to see your
company here, and you don't have to put up with London poseurs.
--
As through this world I've rambled, I've met plenty of funny men,
Some rob you with a sixgun, some with a fountain pen.
Woody Guthrie
Martin Edwards
junction. Boy, are you in for a treat, and it's less dangerous than
Baltimore.
Tom Barry
>
>>> London's costs, including transit fares, are a factor in making London
>>> and unattractive metropolis in which to do business.
>> I'm not sure that those making such decisions for big business care
>> about the price of using buses and trains, as such people will tend to
>> use chauffeur-driven car services instead (or at the very least
>> taxis).
>>
> It certainly affects employees. I would think that employee
> accommodation and transportation costs would at least be a
> consideration. London scores badly on both.
London is in the top two cities worldwide, with New York, according to
the Global Power City Index 2009, which tries to compare different
cities in a sort of objective manner. Tokyo and Paris form a pair just
behind, then you get the rest*. I'm not sure *fares* so much as
generally being able to get around the place matter more. Los Angeles
isn't a top ranking city by these measures and furthermore, all the top
ones are notable as having excellent dense public transportation, which
has to count for something, surely?
For the record, London scored very highly on the culture and
accessibility (transport, basically) categories, high on economy and
poor on livability (including cost of living) and environment, which is
about right, having lived here long enough - yes, it's expensive to get
around but the system is excellent and works well. This is actually
true of New York as well, and no one's claiming that's not an attractive
metropolis to do business, surely?
The point about being attractive/unattractive is that it's across a
range of factors, and overall London's good points more than outweigh
the bad. For the record the three most livable cities according to this
report are Paris, Berlin and Vancouver and the most environmental ones
are Geneva, Zurich and Vienna.
t
* Singapore, Berlin, Vienna, Amsterdam, Zurich, Hong Kong... - the 'goo
city has good public transport' aspect holds true, I suggest. LA is 13th.
rail
Tom Barry <il...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
A couple of years ago there was a survey that claimed Buenos Aires was the
most expensive city in the world to live in relative to the local cost of
living. I doubt it would rate anywhere in the list of good places to do
business but the public transport provision is cheap and plentiful.
--
Graeme Wall
This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>
Tim Fenton
"Neil Williams" <wensl...@pacersplace.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
>>London's costs, including transit fares, are a factor in making London
>>and unattractive metropolis in which to do business.
>
> I'm not sure that those making such decisions for big business care
> about the price of using buses and trains, as such people will tend to
> use chauffeur-driven car services instead (or at the very least
> taxis).
You didn't see Evan Davies' doc on Warren Buffet, then?
While all the top brass at Salomon Bros had their own cars and drivers,
Buffet - who put his neck on the line to save them all - travelled on the NY
Subway.
--
Tim
http://tim-fenton.fotopic.net/
http://zelo-street.blogspot.com/
Recliner
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That sort of work for British companies is now normally done in Mumbai
or Bangalore. They're a lot cheaper than Edinburgh, Los Angeles, or
Omaha.
Nobody
<grin> and OT: but if you're gonna write "Mumbai" for Bombay, please
be consistent and use "Bengaluru" for Bangalore...
Martin Edwards
Or "Chennai" for "Madras". This could get complicated.
Tim Fenton
"Recliner" <recline...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> London tends to be less attractive than Edinburgh, Los Angeles, or
>> Omaha. But, you needn't be concerned; you have plenty of folks
>> waiting in trucks at Calais. I am sure they will be able to install
>> and maintain software at your companies, financial institutions, etc.
>
> That sort of work for British companies is now normally done in Mumbai or
> Bangalore. They're a lot cheaper than Edinburgh, Los Angeles, or Omaha.
Last year, I was doing an assignment with a large services company which is,
as they say, headquartered in the USA.
They had identified a number of low (or lower) cost locations, some of which
were *inside* the US. From memory, the Carolinas was one - not all of the
country is prosperous.
I suspect Omaha isn't exactly bank breakingly expensive either.
Tom Barry
>>
>> <grin> and OT: but if you're gonna write "Mumbai" for Bombay, please
>> be consistent and use "Bengaluru" for Bangalore...
>
> Or "Chennai" for "Madras". This could get complicated.
>
I work with a bloke from Madras, and he's very annoyed about the whole
Chennai thing, which he sees as a vain politician jumping on a
bandwagon. According to him it makes about as much sense as renaming
London, 'Kensington'.
Tom
rail
"Tim Fenton" <timf...@btinternet.com> wrote:
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>
> I suspect Omaha isn't exactly bank breakingly expensive either.
>
Got a good beach I've heard...
Recliner
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Probably not, even though Warren Buffet, one of the world's richest men
lives there.
Recliner
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Yes, I did think of that, but felt that the former had caught on a lot
more than the latter. The latter is also not as cheap as it used to be.
E27002
They have been less expensive. I have heard the India is now enjoying
wage inflation in the IT sector.
My son, and I, have done rather well over the years correcting and
implementing some of the product of these off-shore facilities.
E27002
> On 28 Oct, 19:19, Stephen Furley <fur...@mail.croydon.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
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> > On 28 Oct, 12:19, Jamie Thompson <jamiero...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 28 Oct, 07:10, Stephen Furley <fur...@mail.croydon.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > On 28 Oct, 04:05, D7666 <d7...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I would have thought the most significant length constraint would be
> > > > > Willesden Junction (for LO trains obviously not SN). To extend that to
> > > > > 8-car would involve bridging WCML and that would not come cheap.
>
> > > > Which would put the high-level station back just about where it used
> > > > to be. I'm certainly not holding my breath for that to happen.
> > > > They've been talking about re-building the platforms on the slow lines
> > > > almost since the old ones were demolished. I'm not expecting that to
> > > > happen in my lifetime either.
>
> > > > How long were the platforms at the old station? Given the previous
> > > > platform lengths at various other North London Line stations, I'm
> > > > guessing that they were rather longer than at the present station.
>
> > > > The original station also had a third platform, generally known as the
> > > > 'Earls Court Bay', though I believe it was actually a through
> > > > platform, rather than a real bay. If this was still available it
> > > > would have avoided the situation which existed a few years ago, I'm
> > > > not sure if it still does now as I haven't used the line for some
> > > > time, where a train arriving from the WLL is held just before the
> > > > junction while trains run through in both directions on the NLL, so
> > > > you then have a long wait for a connection on that line.
>
> > > > > This is why NEW tube lines - be they tube size or main line size -
> > > > > need to get under way now as they take 10 years to build even once
> > > > > planning is done, and that takes years too.
>
> > > > An LU person at a LURS meeting at the time that the Jubilee Line
> > > > extension was being either planned or constructed stated that this was
> > > > being built to traditional tube dimensions only because the rest of
> > > > the tube section of the line was that size, and that any future tube
> > > > line would almost certainly be to take surface stock size trains, as
> > > > the cost of tunneling to the larger size would not be much greater
> > > > using modern equipment and techniques.
>
> > > Don't suppose you know of any diagrams of the old pre-1960's layout of
> > > Willesden Junction?
>
> > > I hear odd descriptions from time to time, but the best I've ever
> > > managed were a few scattered old photos that didn't really give any
> > > indication of how it all was laid out.
>
> > > Something for the station's wikipedia page perhaps :)
>
> > No sorry, and I don't know much about it. There was a track in the
> > second bay, next to platform 2, in the 'new' station. I have seen a
> > picture of the old high level station; the two main tracks were served
> > by side platforms as I remember, and one of these was an island with
> > the 'Earls Court' track on the other side of it. The signalbox seems
> > to have been just at the end of the ramps of the high-level platforms
> > in the pictures I've seen. The bridge which gives access to the high-
> > level platforms also used to serve the main line platforms, I know
> > this because until not too many years ago old painted over signs
> > pointing to these platforms could just be made out on this bridge.
>
> > Before the old ticket office was demolished, with the odd situation
> > that you had to cross a road to get from the ticket office to the
> > platforms, a bricked-up doorway could just be made out in one of the
> > walls, which I think would also have provided access to these
> > platforms.
>
> > In the South-West you have Clapham Junction, with lots of platforms on
> > all lines, and most trains stopping there. In the North-East you have
> > something similar at Stratford. it always seemed to me that Willesden
> > Junction should be the one in the North-West, though there's not
> > really an obvious one in the South-East.
>
> Thank you. I'll try and work on my mental image of all that.
>
> I agree about the four interchanges. In the south east I guess London
> Bridge fulfils the role, dealing as it does with both the southern and
> south-eastern mainlines. One of the options considered for Thameslink
> was new tunnel from Kings Cross to Bermondsey, with the tunnel to St
> Pancras being the cop-out. In my various musings about how things
> could be, I usually settle on building a new station on the scale of
> CJ/WJ/Stratford roughly where the lines converge next to Millwall's
> ground, and downgrading London Bridge in some capacity as more trains
> could be running through to Kings Cross (if they an manage 24tph down
> the current Thameslink, two tunnels means 24x2 tph isn't out of the
> question), and thus Cannon Street should be able to cope. Having the
> station there could regenerate the area, and most importantly, provide
> interchange with the orbital London overground route. A super-dooper-
> surrey canal road junction station, if you will. This location would
> be a great location for the line to surface after serving Cannon
> Street/London Bridge in tunnel.
>
> Anyway, I digress. Thanks you for your descriptions.
Rather than build a new tunnel from Kings Cross to Bermondsy, would it
not be easier to extend the GN Electric tunnel from Moorgate?
Chris Tolley
> In message <7kt64bF...@mid.individual.net>
> "Tim Fenton" <timf...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>
>> I suspect Omaha isn't exactly bank breakingly expensive either.
>>
>
> Got a good beach I've heard...
Covered in towels, though...
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Bruce
wrote:
>
>An unexpected bonus was a British Restaurant in nearby Belleview, NE.
What food does it serve? Balti? Tandoori? Pizza and Pasta?
It seems odd that there should be such a thing as a "British
Restaurant" when British cuisine has largely vanished.
Tim Fenton
> Omaha is also home of the headquarters of the Union Pacific
> Railroad. The town has much of railway interest. It is also Gerald
> Ford�s birthplace.
Lyndon Johnson said of him: "That Gerald Ford. He can't fart and chew gum at
the same time".
Bill Borland
<docne...@gmail.com> writes
Horrible memories of 1939-1945.
--
Bill Borland
E27002
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> > "Recliner" <recliner2-n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >>> London tends to be less attractive than Edinburgh, Los Angeles, or
> >>> Omaha. But, you needn't be concerned; you have plenty of folks
> >>> waiting in trucks at Calais. I am sure they will be able to install
> >>> and maintain software at your companies, financial institutions,
> >>> etc.
>
> >> That sort of work for British companies is now normally done in
> >> Mumbai or Bangalore. They're a lot cheaper than Edinburgh, Los
> >> Angeles, or Omaha.
>
> > Last year, I was doing an assignment with a large services company
> > which is, as they say, headquartered in the USA.
>
> > They had identified a number of low (or lower) cost locations, some
> > of which were *inside* the US. From memory, the Carolinas was one -
> > not all of the country is prosperous.
>
> > I suspect Omaha isn't exactly bank breakingly expensive either.
>
> Probably not, even though Warren Buffet, one of the world's richest men
> lives there.
For one year I worked in Omaha doing a major reconfiguration of an
accounting package. I found a very inexpensive apartment ten minutes
walk from my client's campus.
My rate was slightly lower than my previous assignment which had been
in the San Francisco Bay area. However, because my costs were much
lower it was an entirely more profitable venture.
Moreover, the folks living in Douglas County, Nebraska where, by and
large, very friendly. The work environment was more than pleasant.
An unexpected bonus was a British restaurant in nearby Bellevue, NE.
See http://tinyurl.com/yj7drwy
Omaha is also home of the headquarters of the Union Pacific
Railroad. The town has much of railway interest. It is also Gerald
Ford’s birthplace.
Given the oportunity I would not hesitate to work in Omaha again.
Jamie Thompson
It might seem so, but things to consider:
a) It's size cannot handle OHLE, which any new infrastructure should
be built to support (one day the southern network will be brought into
line ;))
b) It has metro station-spacing, unsuitable for a service serving an
area as wide as Thameslink (Cambridge to Essex Road, anyone?).
c) Said station are too short, and would be expensive to extend.
d) Closing said stations to remedy b&c would be unpopular with
existing users.
...and finally, e) Extending the tunnel from Moorgate means cutting
through both the planned Crossrail station's escalators, as well as
the Northern line tunnels.
Ergo, I think a new Crossrail-gauge tunnel from either Finsbury or
Ally Pally would be best, with stations at Finsbury Park, Moorgate-
Bank, Cannon Street-London Bridge, and Surrey Canal Junction. However,
either tunnel option would miss out on interchanging with KXSP,
forcing an interchange at Liverpool St. and a trip back along the
Circle.
My preference for the NC tunnels would still have to deal with e), but
covering the other considerations, would be to link it to the W&C, and
from Finsbury up to Highgate, then along back to Ally Pally, before
taking over the majority of the Hertford loop. Plans for the other end
of the W&C take it down to Clapham and off elsewhere...but that's
another thing entirely.
E27002
IIRC because of the way it is configured, extending the W&C from
Waterloo would be very difficult. There was once talk of adding a W&C
station at Blackfriars. That idea may have merrit. But there would
be little return for the very high investement.
Jamie Thompson
Quite.
This conversation's been done to death elsewhere before, but IIRC,
it's only an end-on junction at Waterloo that's problematic. Diverging
just before should be relatively trouble-free compared to the hell of
what awaits at the Bank end. I must say though, I am fond of the
concept of a Blackfriars W&C station. The current-ish alternatives
from Waterloo are a 16 minute walk, a trip to Embankment then (once it
reopens!) along to Blackfriars, or amusingly...a trip to London
Bridge, then a clipper to Blackfriars. Certainly not worth it as an
isolated project on such a short line, but as part of a wider
extension, it would stop passengers from Waterloo clogging up both
Waterloo station and the Circle line's capacity (there's ample
capacity between Waterloo and Embankment for that bit not to be an
issue though).
E27002
>
> This conversation's been done to death elsewhere before, but IIRC,
> it's only an end-on junction at Waterloo that's problematic. Diverging
> just before should be relatively trouble-free compared to the hell of
> what awaits at the Bank end. I must say though, I am fond of the
> concept of a Blackfriars W&C station. The current-ish alternatives
> from Waterloo are a 16 minute walk, a trip to Embankment then (once it
> reopens!) along to Blackfriars, or amusingly...a trip to London
> Bridge, then a clipper to Blackfriars. Certainly not worth it as an
> isolated project on such a short line, but as part of a wider
> extension, it would stop passengers from Waterloo clogging up both
> Waterloo station and the Circle line's capacity (there's ample
> capacity between Waterloo and Embankment for that bit not to be an
> issue though).
Hadn't really seen anything elsewhere, but, I do not follow every
thread. If it can be done extending the W&C may make more sense that
the westward Northern Line extension discussed here recently.
A frequent tube service continuing to, and replacing, Vauxhall
station, and both Battersea stations (at a new central location
convenient for the new US embassy), would be useful and free up the SW
mainline approach to Waterloo. It could continue to Wimbledon by
surfacing before Clapham junction and using the outside pair to reach
Putney, and then on to Wimbledon by sharing the District tracks.
David Jackson
from Bruce <docne...@gmail.com> contains these words:
> What food does it serve? Balti? Tandoori? Pizza and Pasta?
> It seems odd that there should be such a thing as a "British
> Restaurant" when British cuisine has largely vanished.
My local pub has stopped displaying its Curry Board because the demand
for that style of cooking has dropped. On the other hand, they keep a
rather nice gammon which is very popular, as is their home-made
steak-and-ale pie.
--
Dave,
Frodsham
http://dave-jackson.fotopic.net
Bruce
My local pub became a Thai Restaurant, still with a bar. Many
hostelries around Aylesbury have become Indian restaurants, some with,
and some without bars.
E27002
> The message <l6gje5lss03cfe29h7j7lce1ela8q77...@4ax.com>
> from Bruce <docnews2...@gmail.com> contains these words:
>
> > What food does it serve? Balti? Tandoori? Pizza and Pasta?
> > It seems odd that there should be such a thing as a "British
> > Restaurant" when British cuisine has largely vanished.
>
> My local pub has stopped displaying its Curry Board because the demand
> for that style of cooking has dropped. On the other hand, they keep a
> rather nice gammon which is very popular, as is their home-made
> steak-and-ale pie.
>
David Jackson
<1562858c-ddd3-44ff...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
from E27002 <e27...@gmail.com> contains these words:
> http://www.jrfielding.com/live/viewstory.cfm?StoryIndex=288
Thanks for the link. It's about time that USians had "proper" food
available. The bloke who trims the remains of my hair has relatives in
Transpondia, and he seems to spend his whole holiday over there in the
kitchen, cooking enough real food to fill their freezer so that they'll
be OK until his next visit.
E27002
> from E27002 <e27...@gmail.com> contains these words:
>
> >http://www.jrfielding.com/live/viewstory.cfm?StoryIndex=288
>
> Thanks for the link. It's about time that USians had "proper" food
> available. The bloke who trims the remains of my hair has relatives in
> Transpondia, and he seems to spend his whole holiday over there in the
> kitchen, cooking enough real food to fill their freezer so that they'll
> be OK until his next visit.
>
So I needn't forgo PG Tips, or Typhoo. I can make birds custard for
my American apple pie. Branston Pickle is available to give my salads
a slight UK touch. Walker Shortbread and McVities Biscuits Biscuits
(now there is an ambiguous word) are occasional treats.
When I first worked in the US in 1982 I would go crazy for a cup of
real tea. Eventually I would have family members send it over.
Mr.G
wrote:
>Fortunately World Market now stocks a number of useful British items.
>So I needn't forgo PG Tips, or Typhoo. I can make birds custard for
>my American apple pie. Branston Pickle is available to give my salads
>a slight UK touch. Walker Shortbread and McVities Biscuits Biscuits
>(now there is an ambiguous word) are occasional treats.
Must be a very lucrative contract if you can afford World Market
ex-pat prices! ;)
E27002
Tea is sixty three percent more than the UK price according to a very
quick calculation still less than paying postage from the UK. And, I
do not have to inconvenience family members.
Still thanks for the thought provoking post. Next time I work a UK
assignment I will be sure to add plenty of tea to "bring back"
list. :-)
Dr J R Stockton
Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:39:52, Bill Borland <bi...@g3efs.fsnet.co.uk> posted:
>I do wish he'd said "British restaurant", not "British Restaurant".
>Horrible memories of 1939-1945.
I think at least one may have been still running in the early/mid
sixties. The Councillor's family may remember. It was probably near
the middle of <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocod
e=&q=cambridge&sll=51.407017,-0.260955&sspn=0.008486,0.015256&ie=UTF8&hq
=&hnear=Cambridge,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.205401,0.121434&spn=0.002084,0.0
05858&z=18&layer=c&cbll=52.205452,0.121306&panoid=PnmB3cj0TCP3vyjL76Mfsg
&cbp=12,187.87,,0,7.47>
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David A Stocks
On Oct 29, 11:55 am, David Jackson <dijack...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> The message <l6gje5lss03cfe29h7j7lce1ela8q77...@4ax.com>
> from Bruce <docnews2...@gmail.com> contains these words:
>
> > What food does it serve? Balti? Tandoori? Pizza and Pasta?
> > It seems odd that there should be such a thing as a "British
> > Restaurant" when British cuisine has largely vanished.
>
When I was living in New York in 1991/2 I used the following establishment
on about 1 out of every 6 Sundays to get a fix of home cuisine:
http://www.teaandsympathynewyork.com/home.php
Nearby is
http://www.myersofkeswick.com/
With the odd wedge of (unpasteurised) Colston Bassett Stilton and other
European cheeses from
http://www.deandeluca.com/Default.aspx [1]
+ visitors from the UK wedging their baggage allowance with Heinz Baked
Beans one could just about survive.
D A Stocks
[1] it looks like Dean & Deluca might have given up on British cheeses - I
wonder why?
Miles Bader
> [1] it looks like Dean & Deluca might have given up on British cheeses -
> I wonder why?
Well, given the small selection on that web site, it's probably only a
fraction of what they actually sell in the stores.
[It seems very unlikely they wouldn't carry at least Stilton and some
English Cheddar, given how famous they are.]
-Miles
--
"I distrust a research person who is always obviously busy on a task."
--Robert Frosch, VP, GM Research
Nobody
>> "Tim Fenton" <timfen...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:7kt64bF...@mid.individual.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Recliner" <recliner2-n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:mLudnZ3lQM4dIHXX...@bt.com...
>>
>> >>> London tends to be less attractive than Edinburgh, Los Angeles, or
>> >>> waiting in trucks at Calais. 嚙瘢 am sure they will be able to install
>> >>> and maintain software at your companies, financial institutions,
>> >>> etc.
>>
>> >> That sort of work for British companies is now normally done in
>> >> Angeles, or Omaha.
>>
>> > Last year, I was doing an assignment with a large services company
>> > which is, as they say, headquartered in the USA.
>>
>> > They had identified a number of low (or lower) cost locations, some
>> > of which were *inside* the US. From memory, the Carolinas was one -
>> > not all of the country is prosperous.
>>
>> > I suspect Omaha isn't exactly bank breakingly expensive either.
>>
>> Probably not, even though Warren Buffet, one of the world's richest men
>> lives there.
>
>accounting package. I found a very inexpensive apartment ten minutes
>walk from my client's campus.
>
>My rate was slightly lower than my previous assignment which had been
>in the San Francisco Bay area. However, because my costs were much
>lower it was an entirely more profitable venture.
>
>Moreover, the folks living in Douglas County, Nebraska where, by and
>large, very friendly. The work environment was more than pleasant.
>
>Railroad. The town has much of railway interest. It is also Gerald
>
My goodness: how did you "trip" over that gem?!
John Dennis
> "Nobody" <j...@soccer.com> wrote in message
According to the Board of Control for Cricket in India, the Karnataka
State Cricket Association play cricket at the M.Chinnaswamy Stadium,
Bangalore. I think until the Indians start using Bengaluru there
should be no compulsion on the rest of the world.
John
Martin Edwards
> Martin Edwards wrote:
>
>>>
>>> <grin> and OT: but if you're gonna write "Mumbai" for Bombay, please
>>> be consistent and use "Bengaluru" for Bangalore...
>>
>>
>
> I work with a bloke from Madras, and he's very annoyed about the whole
> Chennai thing, which he sees as a vain politician jumping on a
> bandwagon. According to him it makes about as much sense as renaming
> London, 'Kensington'.
>
> Tom
Thanks for that. I am endlessly fascinated by the subcon. George
Harrison was responsible.
--
As through this world I've rambled, I've met plenty of funny men,
Some rob you with a sixgun, some with a fountain pen.
Woody Guthrie
Bruce
>
>[It seems very unlikely they wouldn't carry at least Stilton and some
>English Cheddar, given how famous they are.]
They are perhaps more likely to sell Canadian and/or Israeli Cheddar.
;-)
DW downunder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On a par with Earl's Court Aussies and Vegemite (axle grease to the average
Yank).
Managed to survive 10 years without it. Sainsbury's Yeast Extract was pretty
darn close. :)
DW downunder
E27002
Vegemite in bulk. Just out of curiosity I will check if World Market
carries it next time I am there.
Nowadays when I have to spend an extended period in the UK I find
myself wanting: A1 Sauce (Easy have some brung over), American Beef,
and Texas Barbecue. As regards the latter two, the gratification is
that much greater when I return to these US.
There is a slight issue here in Reno, where I am most of the time
these days. We do not have a good Indian restaurant. So that treat
has to wait for my occasional trips to Anaheim.
Nobody
<chortle>
Egzacly my point.
We Anglo-whatevers are being beaten over Our Noggins, being told to
"correct" our geographical notions as the Newly Freed Poor Downtrodden
try to exert Their Puffiness.
Don't hear Bruxelles/Brussels... Kobenhavn/Copenhagen...
Wien/Vienna... al-Kahira/Cairo... al-Damask/Damascus... bitching!
How would one describe Buenos Aires... Rio de Janeiro... en Ingles?
Fresh Airs and January River? The Summer Olympics of whenever should
be fun, if we survive the nonsense of the 2010 Winter Olympics in
Vancouver.
Should you sense a touch of sporting cynicism, congratulations!
Vive Pekin! (As even China Radio International from, er, Beijing,
still refers to its hometown in French.)
Nobody
Don't laugh, but I saw in a newspaper somewhere recently that our
Canadian Cheddar label is about to be attacked.
A quick web search couldn't pull up any reference...
rail
Nobody <jo...@soccer.com> wrote:
[snip]
>
> How would one describe Buenos Aires... Rio de Janeiro... en Ingles?
>
For most of the 19th century the capital of the River Plate states was known
to the English as Buenos Ayres.
--
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This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>
Martin Edwards
>>>> <grin> and OT: but if you're gonna write "Mumbai" for Bombay, please
>>>> be consistent and use "Bengaluru" for Bangalore...
>>> Yes, I did think of that, but felt that the former had caught on a lot
>>> more than the latter. The latter is also not as cheap as it used to be.
>> According to the Board of Control for Cricket in India, the Karnataka
>> State Cricket Association play cricket at the M.Chinnaswamy Stadium,
>> Bangalore. I think until the Indians start using Bengaluru there
>> should be no compulsion on the rest of the world.
>>
>> John
>
> <chortle>
>
> Egzacly my point.
>
Is that Noggin the Nog?
Martin Edwards
> In message <8jdne5tkj0h48h3b2...@4ax.com>
> Nobody <jo...@soccer.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> How would one describe Buenos Aires... Rio de Janeiro... en Ingles?
>>
>
> For most of the 19th century the capital of the River Plate states was known
> to the English as Buenos Ayres.
>
Martin Edwards
>
> "E27002" <e27...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5275c210-77a1-47d0...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 29, 1:49 pm, David Jackson <dijack...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> The message
>> <1562858c-ddd3-44ff-acfe-712a031d9...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
>> from E27002 <e27...@gmail.com> contains these words:
>>
>> >http://www.jrfielding.com/live/viewstory.cfm?StoryIndex=288
>>
>> Thanks for the link. It's about time that USians had "proper" food
>> available. The bloke who trims the remains of my hair has relatives in
>> Transpondia, and he seems to spend his whole holiday over there in the
>> kitchen, cooking enough real food to fill their freezer so that they'll
>> be OK until his next visit.
>>
> Fortunately World Market now stocks a number of useful British items.
> So I needn't forgo PG Tips, or Typhoo. I can make birds custard for
> my American apple pie. Branston Pickle is available to give my salads
> a slight UK touch. Walker Shortbread and McVities Biscuits Biscuits
> (now there is an ambiguous word) are occasional treats.
>
contrex
> birds custard for my American apple pie
I think I'd rather have Bird's Custard on my pie than "birds
custard".
contrex
> You can get Vegimite in the UK now too.
What's with the "now"? I've been buying it from Tesco for at least 10
years. Vegemite with an 'e' in the middle I mean.
John Dennis
I was able to buy Vegemite from my local Tesco in 1988.
DW downunder
"John Dennis" <den...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a46c49e-3b4c-40a8...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>
Returned to Oz in 87 - they were a tad slow to respond to the market!!
DW downunder
Bruce
>>On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:49:47 +0900, Miles Bader <mi...@gnu.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>[It seems very unlikely they wouldn't carry at least Stilton and some
>>>English Cheddar, given how famous they are.]
>>
>>
>>They are perhaps more likely to sell Canadian and/or Israeli Cheddar.
>>
>>;-)
>
>Don't laugh, but I saw in a newspaper somewhere recently that our
>Canadian Cheddar label is about to be attacked.
No surprise, really, as it all makes no sense. But neither did
Danish, Dutch and Israeli cheddar, all of which I have bought over the
years. The Israeli cheddar was in a cheese spread, but the
manufacturer apparently also made hard cheddar cheese.
It's all rather a long way from Somerset. But Somerset gets its own
back by making "Brie". ;-)
R J Cardy
"Bruce" <docne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0ssne552okt3sgm4o...@4ax.com...
> years. The Israeli cheddar was in a cheese spread, but the
> manufacturer apparently also made hard cheddar cheese.
and it is has no taste at all, I much prefer the original
Richard
Bruce
But what is "the original"? If there was ever only one recipe, it has
been well and truly lost.
Very little now separates any kind of cheddar from a great many other
hard cheeses from all over the world. Wherever it comes from, it is a
almost always a mediocre and particularly undistinguished cheese.
D7666
> > For most of the 19th century the capital of the River Plate states was known
> > to the English as Buenos Ayres.
> Mar del Plata
I'm not sure what you are saying here.
AFAIK Mar del Plata was not a capital of anything. There was nothing
there until 1874, and had no port until 1916. It may now be
Argentinas' 7th largest city and exceeds half a million population,
but in the 19th century it was nothing.
Or are you answetring something further up thread,
> > >> How would one describe Buenos Aires... Rio de Janeiro... en Ingles?
Are you perhaps confusing things with Rio de la Plata ? Not only
location but translation: rio is river, mar is sea.
--
Nick
Nobody
<sigh> Canada's Labelling Police apparently are responsible for the
disappearance of that Most Important Aussie treat from supermarket
shelves over the last year or so.
I have stumbled on a Indo-Fijian food store in the deep Vancouver
suburbs that brings Vegemite in through a back door, but they've
stopped importing the 454g jars and I'm left with grabbing 225g or in
a pinch the tiny 115g jars whch last only a few days...
John B
Not quite sure why I'm bothering - but English is one of the most
prevalent languages in India (and is one of India's official
languages), so they have every right to choose what English names they
use for their cities.
It's an internal debate between local-nationalist and international-
elitist politicians, not an external one: so Bombay, where I'm writing
this from, was renamed for all local English-language purposes [*]
when the local council was dominated by a nasty bunch of BNP-like anti-
immigrant (from out-of-state, obviously) thugs called the Shiv Sena.
As a foreigner, you can refer to it however you like - however,
there's a fine line between "demonstrating your understanding of
history and your contempt for bigots" and "appearing to be an ignorant
prat", so I'd recommend using "Mumbai" unless you're aware of the
political views of the person you're talking to.
(quite why we indulge China, where English is neither official nor
widely spoken, in telling us how to transliterate their place names,
is less clear.)
--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org
Miles Bader
> As a foreigner, you can refer to it however you like - however,
> there's a fine line between "demonstrating your understanding of
> history and your contempt for bigots" and "appearing to be an ignorant
> prat", so I'd recommend using "Mumbai" unless you're aware of the
> political views of the person you're talking to.
Using "Mumbai" is hardly guaranteed to spare you the latter charge though...
-Miles
--
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Martin Edwards
John B
> John B <s...@johnband.org> writes:
> > As a foreigner, you can refer to it however you like - however,
> > there's a fine line between "demonstrating your understanding of
> > history and your contempt for bigots" and "appearing to be an ignorant
> > prat", so I'd recommend using "Mumbai" unless you're aware of the
> > political views of the person you're talking to.
>
> Using "Mumbai" is hardly guaranteed to spare you the latter charge though...
IMX using "Mumbai" will at worst get you a "no, you don't need to call
it Mumbai to me, that's only what those saffron bastards call it",
whereas using "Bombay" can cause serious annoyance (not just with
saffron bastards but also with people with no particular loyalties on
the internal bunfight but who think Western Imperialism is bad).
Ian Jelf
<noname@?.?.invalid> writes
I used to get Vegemite (at a price, same with Tim Tams!) From the
Australia Shop in Covent Garden. Then Sainsbury's started selling both
at more "reasonable" prices. (Although the Tim Tams seem to have
vanished lately.)
--
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Birmingham, UK
Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk
Now blogging in "The World According to Ian Jelf" at
http://ianjelf.blogspot.com