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His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Apr 8, 2013, 1:03:58 PM4/8/13
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On Apr 8, 12:48 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
> Philosopher wrote:
> > Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
> > democratic and yet...
> > Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
> Hitler "delivered" highways.
> trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
> Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
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> On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
> Philosopher wrote:
> > Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
> > democratic and yet...
> > Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
> Hitler "delivered" highways.
> trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
> Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
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http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Apr 9, 2013, 2:16:59 PM4/9/13
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On Apr 8, 5:35 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> On 4/8/2013 6:55 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
> >>>> On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
>
> >>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>> On Apr 8, 12:06 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
>
> >>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Apr 7, 4:51 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
>
> >>>>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 4:33 am, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2:55 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when a democracy fails.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate democracy. It shows
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but it's NOT a
> >>>>>>>>>>> single person.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Nor is in in Venezuela.
> >>>>>>>>>> Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
> >>>>>>>>>> Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the election.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
> >>>>>>>>>>> and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote for their narrow
> >>>>>>>>>>> interests, not the good of society.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will regretfully happen
> >>>>>>>>>> in the future.
> >>>>>>>>>> Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
> >>>>>>>>>> In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to him in
> >>>>>>>>>> apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than being elected.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Well, a sort of pattern is revealing itself, and there's one key word:
> >>>>>>>>> control.
>
> >>>>>>>> Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 9:49 pm, Marcus Aurelius <alexander...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
> >>>>>>>>>> "Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally protected equal
> >>>>>>>>>> rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was one of the best
> >>>>>>>>>> forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a democratic
> >>>>>>>>>> nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
> >>>>>>>>>> guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a tyranny of the
> >>>>>>>>>> majority that granted itself privileges while discriminating against
> >>>>>>>>>> electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties, and more
> >>>>>>>>>> responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority. The USA changed
> >>>>>>>>>> from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
> >>>>>>>>>> government during the revolutionary period of the late 1960's and
> >>>>>>>>>> early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations (including the USA)
> >>>>>>>>>> have evolved from republican forms of government to democratic forms
> >>>>>>>>>> of government with the resulting politically sanctioned "caste"
> >>>>>>>>>> systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
> >>>>>>>>>> responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex, gender, race, and
> >>>>>>>>>> national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle stated, merely a
> >>>>>>>>>> tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
>
> >>>>>>>>> I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
>
> >>>>>>>> Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
>
> >>>>>>> It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
> >>>>>>> You may say in democracy elites are diversified and competitive. And
> >>>>>>> yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
> >>>>>>> turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
>
> >>>>>>> Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
> >>>>>>> see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
>
> >>>>>> those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real shot at the
> >>>>>> piece of the pie.
>
> >>>>> The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
>
> >>>> if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
> >>>> Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
>
> >>>>> Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
> >>>>> fear while the rich live in gated communities.
>
> >>>> True.
> >>>> democracy function best with an educated public in a functioning civil
> >>>> society with adequate living conditions for all.
> people.
> "Bread and games".
> (snip)
Right. Say an American president were to propose a tax on gas to
balance the budget. It would provoke a revolution or at least it would
cost him the elections.
>
> > Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
> > applicable elsewhere.
>
> So true.
> There is hope.
It's already out there: It goes by the name of Arepa Revolution.
There's no leader per se, just a program:
http://webspawner.com/users/DONQUIJOTE1
> On 4/8/2013 6:55 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
>
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>
>
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>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > On Apr 8, 12:48 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >> On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
>
> >> Philosopher wrote:
> >>> On Apr 8, 12:25 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
>
>
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>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > On Apr 8, 12:48 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >> On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
>
> >> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>> On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
>
> >>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>> On Apr 8, 12:06 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
>
> >>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Apr 7, 4:51 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
>
> >>>>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 4:33 am, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2:55 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when a democracy fails.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate democracy. It shows
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but it's NOT a
> >>>>>>>>>>> single person.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Nor is in in Venezuela.
> >>>>>>>>>> Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
> >>>>>>>>>> Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the election.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
> >>>>>>>>>>> and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote for their narrow
> >>>>>>>>>>> interests, not the good of society.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will regretfully happen
> >>>>>>>>>> in the future.
> >>>>>>>>>> Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
> >>>>>>>>>> In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to him in
> >>>>>>>>>> apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than being elected.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Well, a sort of pattern is revealing itself, and there's one key word:
> >>>>>>>>> control.
>
> >>>>>>>> Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 9:49 pm, Marcus Aurelius <alexander...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
> >>>>>>>>>> "Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally protected equal
> >>>>>>>>>> rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was one of the best
> >>>>>>>>>> forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a democratic
> >>>>>>>>>> nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
> >>>>>>>>>> guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a tyranny of the
> >>>>>>>>>> majority that granted itself privileges while discriminating against
> >>>>>>>>>> electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties, and more
> >>>>>>>>>> responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority. The USA changed
> >>>>>>>>>> from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
> >>>>>>>>>> government during the revolutionary period of the late 1960's and
> >>>>>>>>>> early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations (including the USA)
> >>>>>>>>>> have evolved from republican forms of government to democratic forms
> >>>>>>>>>> of government with the resulting politically sanctioned "caste"
> >>>>>>>>>> systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
> >>>>>>>>>> responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex, gender, race, and
> >>>>>>>>>> national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle stated, merely a
> >>>>>>>>>> tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
>
> >>>>>>>>> I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
>
> >>>>>>>> Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
>
> >>>>>>> It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
> >>>>>>> You may say in democracy elites are diversified and competitive. And
> >>>>>>> yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
> >>>>>>> turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
>
> >>>>>>> Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
> >>>>>>> see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
>
> >>>>>> those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real shot at the
> >>>>>> piece of the pie.
>
> >>>>> The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
>
> >>>> if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
> >>>> Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
>
> >>>>> Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
> >>>>> fear while the rich live in gated communities.
>
> >>>> True.
> >>>> democracy function best with an educated public in a functioning civil
> >>>> society with adequate living conditions for all.
>
> >>> Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
> >>> democratic and yet...
>
> >>> Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
>
> >> Hitler "delivered" highways.
> >> trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
> >> Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
>
> > True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
> > even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
> > consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
> > the same.
>
> > "Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right?
>
> Subsidies are often used by a populist to ingratiate himself with the
> >>> Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
> >>> democratic and yet...
>
> >>> Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
>
> >> Hitler "delivered" highways.
> >> trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
> >> Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
>
> > True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
> > even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
> > consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
> > the same.
>
> > "Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right?
>
> people.
> "Bread and games".
> (snip)
Right. Say an American president were to propose a tax on gas to
balance the budget. It would provoke a revolution or at least it would
cost him the elections.
>
> > Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
> > applicable elsewhere.
>
> There is hope.
It's already out there: It goes by the name of Arepa Revolution.
There's no leader per se, just a program:
http://webspawner.com/users/DONQUIJOTE1
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 9, 2013, 6:48:37 PM4/9/13
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On Apr 8, 12:55 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.
At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
> "Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
> cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
> alternative transportation.
>
> cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
> alternative transportation.
>
> Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
> applicable elsewhere.
There are many, many parallels between Venezuela and America besides
> applicable elsewhere.
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.
At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
Martin Edwards
Apr 11, 2013, 6:18:19 AM4/11/13
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On 09/04/2013 23:48, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
It is one of life's great ironies that we British taught the Germans
democracy and then forgot about it ourselves.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
democracy and then forgot about it ourselves.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Apr 14, 2013, 3:45:31 PM4/14/13
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tyranny while the British watched too many American movies.
Martin Edwards
Apr 15, 2013, 6:08:19 AM4/15/13
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On 14/04/2013 20:45, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Dead right. Husbands and wives even call each other "darling" now. Sheesh!
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 18, 2013, 10:28:58 AM4/18/13
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slang behind the cultivated cockney accent.
Hollywood is behind everything.
Martin Edwards
Apr 19, 2013, 2:38:58 AM4/19/13
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On 18/04/2013 15:28, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct. This is not widely
understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
part just outside the City of London to the East. I come from a town
roughly analogous to Yonkers, and when I went to University I was
shocked when northerners called me a cockney.
understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
part just outside the City of London to the East. I come from a town
roughly analogous to Yonkers, and when I went to University I was
shocked when northerners called me a cockney.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 19, 2013, 10:52:44 AM4/19/13
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effort. American English by contrast is amazingly uniform, including
Canadians.
This is an attempt at Australian English:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJkO-EKRVd0
houn...@yahoo.co.uk
Apr 19, 2013, 3:28:18 PM4/19/13
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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 20, 2013, 1:14:47 PM4/20/13
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On Apr 19, 5:34 pm, Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
> --
> Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 36th day of Discord in the YOLD 3179
> "Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine"
The keyboards ask you if you want American English...
Why? Deep question. ;)
Surely it must be the pound sign.
> On 2013-04-19, hounsl...@yahoo.co.uk <hounsl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 19/04/2013 07:38, Martin Edwards wrote:
>
> [212 lines snipped]
>
> > On 19/04/2013 07:38, Martin Edwards wrote:
>
>
> >> In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct. This is not widely
> >> understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
> >> London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
> >> part just outside the City of London to the East.
>
> > Within the sound of the Bow bells.
>
> I wonder if their fucking delete keys work?
> >> In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct. This is not widely
> >> understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
> >> London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
> >> part just outside the City of London to the East.
>
> > Within the sound of the Bow bells.
>
>
> --
> Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 36th day of Discord in the YOLD 3179
> "Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine"
The keyboards ask you if you want American English...
Why? Deep question. ;)
Surely it must be the pound sign.
Martin Edwards
Apr 21, 2013, 2:32:54 AM4/21/13
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On 19/04/2013 15:52, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
If it is still rerun in America, the original "Till Death Us Do Part" is
a pretty good rendition. The characters in EastEnders do not speak
cockney, for example, but North London. I have that accent myself,
though technically I am not from London.
a pretty good rendition. The characters in EastEnders do not speak
cockney, for example, but North London. I have that accent myself,
though technically I am not from London.
Martin Edwards
Apr 21, 2013, 2:33:52 AM4/21/13
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Martin Edwards
Apr 21, 2013, 2:34:20 AM4/21/13
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On 19/04/2013 22:34, Huge wrote:
> On 2013-04-19, houn...@yahoo.co.uk <houn...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 19/04/2013 07:38, Martin Edwards wrote:
>
> [212 lines snipped]
>> On 19/04/2013 07:38, Martin Edwards wrote:
>
>
>
>>> In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct. This is not widely
>>> understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
>>> London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
>>> part just outside the City of London to the East.
>>
>> Within the sound of the Bow bells.
>
>
>>> In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct. This is not widely
>>> understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
>>> London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
>>> part just outside the City of London to the East.
>>
>> Within the sound of the Bow bells.
>
> I wonder if their fucking delete keys work?
>
>
Fucked if I know.
>
>
Roland Perry
Apr 21, 2013, 3:04:32 AM4/21/13
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In message <rKLct.16850$Tr3....@fx13.fr7>, at 07:32:54 on Sun, 21 Apr
2013, Martin Edwards <big_m...@yahoo.co.uk> remarked:
--
Roland Perry
2013, Martin Edwards <big_m...@yahoo.co.uk> remarked:
>The characters in EastEnders do not speak cockney, for example, but
>North London.
Appropriate, given that it's filmed near Watford.
>North London.
--
Roland Perry
Martin Edwards
Apr 22, 2013, 6:12:29 AM4/22/13
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explain where Elstree was, the fact that the camera homed in on North
Woolwich, and how far apart they were.
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