Tacoma LOOT Rail Openz...
make...@worldnet.att.net
> http://www.tribnet.com/news/story/3690793p-3721214c.html
************* LOOT ******* excerpt ******* LOOT *******************
> This Friday, Sound Transit officials and area leaders will loudly
> hail the launch of the first LOOT-rail system in the Central Puget
> Sound region. Bands, confetti, speeches, a tribal blessing,
> costumed actors and art exhibitions are planned.
************* LOOT ******** LOOT ********* LOOT *******************
Wonder if they are going to invite all the Pierce County street gangs,
needle exchangerz, meth lab operatorz, and level 3 sex offenderz ??
CR
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No, you can be sure that TPD will be under orders to keep the riff-raff away
until the dignitaries are gone. After that they'll be free to hangout on the
trolley at their leisure.
"Rides on the streetcar are free because it would cost more to collect a
fare than fares would generate, according to Sound Transit."
Huh? How much can a fare box cost. Even charging a quarter might help keep
the Puyallup Ave. hookers and drug dealers off of it.
CR
Bill Bonde, one of many Fair and Balanced Conservatives,
Apparently it costs a dollar to collect a fare of a dollar.
Skip
wrote:
I read this line goes what, 1.8 miles? That is a good walking
distance.
.
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We contemplate eternity
Beneath the vast indifference of heaven
- Warren Zevon
Bill Bonde, one of many Fair and Balanced Conservatives,
Steve Hoskins wrote:
>
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:31:54 -0700, "CR" <flatt...@harbornet.com>
> wrote :
>
> >
> You'd be surprised at how much those fareboxes cost.....
>
> The latest ones installed in the buses at the agency where I am
> employed cost around $11,600 apiece!!!!!!!!
>
> Now if only they'd bring in that much a month to get some return on
> the "investment".
>
> Methinks, as suggested above, the fareboxes were intended to keep the
> riff-raff factor low.
>
They manage to make the incremental cost of driving your own car less
than taking public transportation.
Jeff W
Steve Hoskins wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:31:54 -0700, "CR" <flatt...@harbornet.com>
> wrote :
>
>
> You'd be surprised at how much those fareboxes cost.....
>
> The latest ones installed in the buses at the agency where I am
> employed cost around $11,600 apiece!!!!!!!!
>
> Now if only they'd bring in that much a month to get some return on
> the "investment".
>
> Methinks, as suggested above, the fareboxes were intended to keep the
> riff-raff factor low.
I dont' have exact numbers and companies on hand, but I am sure that's
the super technology boxes with the day pass dispensers and mag readers
and all that, right? I'm sure you can get a basic one or even a used
one of scrapped buses for far cheaper, being the route is that short.
But then again, i'm not from there, maybe that is needed.
I would assume you could make some sort of efficiency issue on
collecting a dollar costing a dollar, are the fare box collector people
being really well paid over there?
Duke Dukem
fares. If the farebox costs $10,000 or so apiece, that cost is usually
justified by the ridership reporting and passenger counting. The money in
the farebox typically pays for only 20% of the operating costs of the bus
and none of the capital costs. The rest is made up by taxes and the
ridership information is what is used to apply for the federal/state/local
funding.
Even with the $10,000 fareboxes, I have been told that the ridership
reporting is not all that good.
Dave Simpson
Big Don wrote:
Howdy, Big Don. It's been a while. I've been off the saner user
groups and on the "alt" political groups for the most part for the
past several months when on USENET, engaging in mutual-barking contest
and educating many a poor, hopefully-not-lost-forever leftist soul.
(David Barts has too-kindly described many of my "barkier" postings as
"a hoot.")
(This next paragraph is also part of an "open letter"; it amounts to
background information and eventually everything will fit into place
for all readers.)
Do you remember, Don, the book I recommended to you, "Tragedies of
Our Own Making," by Neely? Do you member the passsage in that book
about walls and gates, and how with the increasing savagery -- ahem,
declining civility -- in our society, people have realized once more
that not only can good, stout walls keep criminals in (prison), but
can keep criminals out (of a community), too?
I once joked to Anne Thomas about the District of Columbia and
marking it with a wall. That now becomes a more contemporary and
"alive" issue.
The immigration-control people also might be amused (again) about
this.
Consider Israel's 8-meter (24-foot) security "fence" (wall).
http://www.pbase.com/image/19837905
http://www.pbase.com/image/19837806
http://www.pbase.com/image/19838518
Imagine this, rather than ordinary chain-link fence, or gates, not
only applied where others might like it (around the District of
Columbia, or along the Rio Grande and the other parts of the
US-Mexican border, such as along the southern edge of California), but
around one's community.
The LOOT_walls could have openings in them similar to those in the
Old City of Quebec, sized for modern motor vehicles (round or square
openings):
http://world.std.com/~vbrown/images/cda00/C332-21A-22.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/torontophotos/ecanada/quebec2.JPG
When I had to revisit Phoenix, at a car rental place when I once
visited, I noticed a big bollard come up from the ground when I
approached the exit -- this was designed to prevent auto theft from
the rental facility (!).
Lighter-weight alternatives:
http://www.automaticsystems.com/product_overview.asp?ProductID=45
http://www.automaticsystems.com/product_overview.asp?ProductID=46
http://www.automaticsystems.com/product_overview.asp?ProductID=47
http://www.automaticsystems.com/product_overview.asp?ProductID=48
Bollards:
http://www.automaticsystems.com/product_overview.asp?ProductID=54
http://www.automaticsystems.com/product_overview.asp?ProductID=56
http://www.automaticsystems.com/product_overview.asp?ProductID=55
http://www.automaticsystems.com/product_overview.asp?ProductID=57
Also:
http://www.automaticsystems.com/product_overview.asp?ProductID=64
Do you realize, Don, that the roads where there would be passages
though the wall could be blocked at night with the bollards coming up
from the ground (in today's PC climate, they'd be highly
reflectorized), and that the LOOT_gates behind the LOOT_bollardz could
also be set up to better LOOT_fortify the community against LOOTerz by
closing, when the LOOT_bollardz were raised, by lowering an
electrified metal LOOT_portcullis (vertical), if not some stout, huge
LOOT_doors?
(And let's not forget auxiliary portals.)
http://www.automaticsystems.com/family.asp?CategoryID=1&FamilyID=14
(The portcullis would consist of electrified metal fencing.)
(full height)
http://www.detekion.com/electrogrd750nl.html
http://www.transgardfence.com/works.htm
http://www.secure-marine.com/fence/presentation/secure_fence-%20Specs.pdf
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/security2/husmann.pdf
Example older "models" -- which would become metal and electrified:
http://www.caledoniancastles.co.uk/castles/lothian/edinburgh/edinburgh_files/port_arch-0014-20.jpg
http://www.nonvi.com/sm/edin16.html
http://www.cv81pl.freeserve.co.uk/warwick.htm
http://sine.ncl.ac.uk/view_image.asp?digital_doc_id=207
http://sine.ncl.ac.uk/term_definitions.asp?thesaurus_code=ty&term_id=2453
http://www.harcourtschool.com/activity/castillo/glossary/portcullis.html
Hee, hee
http://www.geocities.com/dbplastic/tony/tonys_castle.html
http://www.codesmiths.com/shed/castle/building.htm
This could become crazy in a fragmented place like St. Louis metro, or
in New Jersey, with nearly-countless separate municipalities, but is
still amusing.
Dave Simpson
make...@worldnet.att.net
Dave Simpson wrote:
>
> I had to jump on this one. It was too amusing not to.
>
> Big Don wrote:
>
> > ************* LOOT ******* excerpt ******* LOOT *******************
> > > This Friday, Sound Transit officials and area leaders will loudly
> > > hail the launch of the first LOOT-rail system in the Central Puget
> > > Sound region. Bands, confetti, speeches, a tribal blessing,
> > > costumed actors and art exhibitions are planned.
> > ************* LOOT ******** LOOT ********* LOOT *******************
> >
> > Wonder if they are going to invite all the Pierce County street gangs,
> > needle exchangerz, meth lab operatorz, and level 3 sex offenderz ??
>
> Howdy, Big Don. It's been a while. [...]
> Do you remember, Don, the book I recommended to you, "Tragedies of
> Our Own Making," by Neely?
I bought the book. It has a sacred position on the hallowed
"DAFN Shelf" of the full-wall bookcase in my den. The book resides in
good company with The Bell Curve(Murray), Losing the Race(McWhorter),
Taboo(Entine), Race-Evolution-Behavior(Rushton), The g Factor(Jensen),
Why Race Matters(Lynn), Genome(Ridley), Two Nations(Hacker), and
Behavioral Genetics in the Post Genomic Era(Plomin et al)...
> Do you member the passsage in that book
> about walls and gates, and how with the increasing savagery -- ahem,
> declining civility -- in our society, people have realized once more
> that not only can good, stout walls keep criminals in (prison), but
> can keep criminals out (of a community), too?
An outstanding philosophy, effectively stated as:
*** The best offense is a GOOD DEFENSE ***
regards,
Big Don
("Learning to Crawl" -Pretenders- playing in the background...)
Dave Simpson
> > Howdy, Big Don. It's been a while. [...]
> > Do you remember, Don, the book I recommended to you, "Tragedies of
> > Our Own Making," by Neely?
> I bought the book. It has a sacred position on the hallowed
> "DAFN Shelf" of the full-wall bookcase in my den. The book resides in
> good company with The Bell Curve(Murray), Losing the Race(McWhorter),
> Taboo(Entine), Race-Evolution-Behavior(Rushton), The g Factor(Jensen),
> Why Race Matters(Lynn), Genome(Ridley), Two Nations(Hacker), and
> Behavioral Genetics in the Post Genomic Era(Plomin et al)...
For those readers who are curious, the book is related to the
phenomenon people may remember from the mid-to-late-1970s, as the
limits, both political and financial, to what liberal programs and
policies we could afford, as well as the problems the programs
created, arrived.
The book is a more-contemporary version, which addresses the
additional problems liberalism has wrought, especially (the author's
key issue) the failures related to insistence on government be a
surrogate for the family (a problem conservative critics grasp and
recognize all too well).
The author, by the way, is a self-professed "yellow-dog Democrat,"
so his realist statements (that more and more people, for example, are
ready to insist that convicted felons get sent to rural work camps
where they raise their own food and support themselves, or starve or
freeze to death, and who may accept the statements made by Charles
Murray about the "custodial state" urban-Indian-reservation-style
solution to the underclass problems) can't be written off as "some
right-wing nut" the way too many leftists reflexively do, making asses
of themselves in the process. (That's especially when the author
discusses a lot of what people like Robert Reich have to say about the
US labor market...)
http://halljobs.com/economics/347.shtml
(The only reason "the underclass" is no longer a big contemporary
issue is that a) the liberal media have stopped making it an issue; b)
everyone else is numb to it; c) there are currently much more
important issues.)
> > Do you member the passsage in that book
> > about walls and gates, and how with the increasing savagery -- ahem,
> > declining civility -- in our society, people have realized once more
> > that not only can good, stout walls keep criminals in (prison), but
> > can keep criminals out (of a community), too?
> An outstanding philosophy, effectively stated as:
>
> *** The best offense is a GOOD DEFENSE ***
It's the rationale behind the gated communities we already have,
after all.
And we needn't spend time on the socio-political ramifications (real
or imagined by leftist critics) toward "mobile fortresses," chrome
doo-dad guards over the head and tail light assemblies and all...
> regards,
> Big Don
> ("Learning to Crawl" -Pretenders- playing in the background...)
Ah, yes!
Dave Simpson
John Wilson
> Big Don wrote:
>
> > > Howdy, Big Don. It's been a while. [...]
> > > Do you remember, Don, the book I recommended to you, "Tragedies of
> > > Our Own Making," by Neely?
>
> > I bought the book. It has a sacred position on the hallowed
> > "DAFN Shelf" of the full-wall bookcase in my den. The book resides in
> > good company with The Bell Curve(Murray), Losing the Race(McWhorter),
> > Taboo(Entine), Race-Evolution-Behavior(Rushton), The g Factor(Jensen),
> > Why Race Matters(Lynn), Genome(Ridley), Two Nations(Hacker), and
> > Behavioral Genetics in the Post Genomic Era(Plomin et al)...
>
> For those readers who are curious, the book is related to the
> phenomenon people may remember from the mid-to-late-1970s, as the
> limits, both political and financial, to what liberal programs and
> policies we could afford, as well as the problems the programs
> created, arrived.
Though a liberal (actually a socialist) myself, I agree that so-called
"liberal" programs have gotten too numerous and complex, and primarily benefit
the bureaucracy rather than the people they claim to be helping....
> The book is a more-contemporary version, which addresses the
> additional problems liberalism has wrought, especially (the author's
> key issue) the failures related to insistence on government be a
> surrogate for the family (a problem conservative critics grasp and
> recognize all too well).
I agree -- sort of. The family should be abolished and replaced by
*individual liberty*, not the government. If you know my other philosophies,
you'll understand what I mean, but I won't go into them here.
> The author, by the way, is a self-professed "yellow-dog Democrat,"
> so his realist statements (that more and more people, for example, are
> ready to insist that convicted felons get sent to rural work camps
> where they raise their own food and support themselves, or starve or
> freeze to death,
Are you admitting the Russian gulag system may have been a good idea?
and who may accept the statements made by Charles
> Murray about the "custodial state" urban-Indian-reservation-style
> solution to the underclass problems)
If you get the chance, read "Ecotopia" by Ernest Callenbach (a "Green
Party" type 15 years before there *was* such a thing), especially the section
on "Soul City"....
can't be written off as "some
> right-wing nut" the way too many leftists reflexively do, making asses
> of themselves in the process. (That's especially when the author
> discusses a lot of what people like Robert Reich have to say about the
> US labor market...)
There is much intellectual dishonesty on the Left, unfortunately; but the
Right isn't exactly squeaky clean either. The recent war in Iraq over
nonexistent "weapons of mass destruction" being a case in point.
>
> http://halljobs.com/economics/347.shtml
>
>
> (The only reason "the underclass" is no longer a big contemporary
> issue is that a) the liberal media have stopped making it an issue; b)
> everyone else is numb to it; c) there are currently much more
> important issues.)
*Every* society has an "underclass" of people who don't fit in. This has
always been true and always will be. It's how a society deals with that fact
that determines whether that underclass will be dangerous, a mere nuisance, or
just a humourous sideline to everyday life....
Famous21
What about the hookers on South Tacoma Way?
Famous
"CR" <flatt...@harbornet.com> wrote in message news:<QgmdnWd8zPw...@harbornet.com>...
CR
union on earth.
The Puyallup Ave girls belong to the Tacoma Eastside Local #231 while the
South Tacoma Way hookers belong to the Tacoma Southend Local #234. Union
bylaws prohibit cross territorial hooking.
Just an observation made at 30mph, but does Tacoma have the ugliest hookers
on earth or what? I think they must have to pay the john's to go with them.
"Famous21" <famo...@msn.com> wrote in message
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make...@worldnet.att.net
John Wilson wrote:
>
> *Every* society has an "underclass" of people who don't fit in. This has
> always been true and always will be. It's how a society deals with that fact
> that determines whether that underclass will be dangerous, a mere nuisance, or
> just a humourous sideline to everyday life....
The issue is whether or not they should get cradle-to-grave support
and a monthly stipend to go forth and breed zillionz more of their
"non-fitting-in" selvz...
John Wilson
While I understand what you're saying, consider the alternative: what if
no one helped them and they had to rob people *to survive* rather than just as
a hobby like they do now. With the stakes higher, there'd be even *more*
crime and violence. Peace has a price....