Conductor's Keys: How can you get them?
Jason R. Decesare
I am wondering if there is any legal means for obtaining NYCTA type conductor's
(skeleton) keys.
I have started a collection of keys and want more!
I have a Metroliner key (which works on Metro-North and LIRR MUs and Septa
Silverliner IVs) and an Amfleet II key (which works on Comet/Shoreliner coaches
and NJT Arrows).
All of the skeleton keys I have/seen appear to be made by a manufacturer which
has the initials "J.L.H CO."
This manufacturer also seems to make most of the skeleton keys for transit
applications. What do the initials stand for?
-Jason
--
"The IRT, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the 7 train.
Its continuing mission, to go to Manhattan, return to Flushing,
to boldly get delayed where other trains have gone before."
Michael Adler
Hi all,
I've added and updated (also redesigned) System & Track Maps at
NYC Subway Resources WWW site:
http://www.k2nesoft.com/subway/transitmaps/
Updated Track Map
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BART track map (corrected spelling)
New Track Maps
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Sacramento, CA
Miami, FL
Vancouver, Canada
Updated US Route Maps
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BART (redesigned, & added under construction routes)
Caltrain (redesigned)
Los Angeles/Long Beach, CA: Metro (redesigned & added U.C. routes)
Los Angeles: Metrolink (redesigned & new routes)
Sacramento, CA (redesigned & added new stations)
San Diego, CA Trolley (redesigned, extension & added U.C. route)
San Jose, CA (redesigned)
Baltimore, MD: LRT/Metro (redesigned)
New Jersey/New York: PATH (redesigned)
Washington, DC Metro (redesigned)
Atlanta, GA MARTA (redesigned & new routes)
Boston, MA "T" (redesigned)
Buffalo, NY LRT (redesigned)
Denver, CO LRT (redesigned & proposed line)
Miami, FL Metrorail (redesigned)
Miami, FL Peoplemover (redesigned & extensions of routes)
Portland, OR LRT (redesigned & U.C. route: West Side line)
St Louis, MO LRT (redesigned)
Cleveland, OH (new)
Dallax, TX (new)
Ontario, Canada GO Transit (redesigned)
Also check out Peter Dougherty's 2 new TTC track maps (Trolley &
Subway)
Cheers,
Michael Adler
Lakewood, ColorFUL Colorado
Michael Adler
Hi all,
I forgot to add 2 more maps to the list :-)
http://www.k2nesoft.com/subway/transitmaps/
Updated Canada Route Maps
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GO Transit (Was in US Route Maps <g>)
Calgary Transit
Vancouver ALRT
Stephen Hamer
I know but won't say. Why? Because your annoying. Everything you write on
this group is -----. What was your last great article I noticed? The
condition of restrooms on commuter trains. Popular topic in this
newsgroup!
You want to know about the keys.......get a job on a railroad and learn
that there only keys - just like car, house or the like. Thats right,
just pieces of metal that you shouldn't have in the first place. Coach
keys are hard to come by for the people who actually use them in their
duties. Why? Because people like you find them, take them home for
little souveniers and then try them in any little keyhole you shouldn't
be in.
Colin R. Leech
Jason R. Decesare (fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) writes:
> I am wondering if there is any legal means for obtaining NYCTA type conductor's
> (skeleton) keys.
You've got to be kidding.
--
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##### > < Opinions are my own. Consider them shareware if you want.
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Phil Nasadowski
In article <4m4fbi$5...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Colin R. Leech) wrote:
> Jason R. Decesare (fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) writes:
> > I am wondering if there is any legal means for obtaining NYCTA type
conductor's
> > (skeleton) keys.
>
> You've got to be kidding.
1) Find a conductor
2) Be come VERY friendly with him
3) Swip desired key off him - copy it
4) Return it without him knowing
5) Repeat - collect 'em all :)
Just a crazy idea ;)
JMK3rd
On 29 Apr 1996 22:25:30 GMT, HVZ...@prodigy.com (Stephen Hamer)
wrote:
You tell 'em Steve. Maybe you should sic Gilligan on 'em. See you in
work. Jimmy
IRT1904
>1) Find a conductor
>2) Be come VERY friendly with him
>3) Swip desired key off him - copy it
>4) Return it without him knowing
>5) Repeat - collect 'em all :)
>Just a crazy idea ;)
Very Crazy.
Did you know that any non-transit or other unauthorized person caught with
such keys in their possession can be charged by the police with possession
of burglery tools?
It has happened in the past.
Allan Berlin irt...@aol.com
Bronx, NY
Ferroequinology (Its' a hobby not my profession)
Michael Polymenakos
>1) Find a conductor
>2) Be come VERY friendly with him
>[...]
A more fun variation:
1) Find a conductor
2) Become VERY friendly with her
Then there is also:
1) Become a conductor
--
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| mp...@panix.com |"In this land", said the god; "who seeks shall find;|
| New York, N.Y. | Who sits with folded hands or sleeps is blind." |
+---------------------+---------------------------------------Sophocles----+
Colin R. Leech
IRT1904 (irt...@aol.com) writes:
> Did you know that any non-transit or other unauthorized person caught with
> such keys in their possession can be charged by the police with possession
> of burglery tools?
>
> It has happened in the past.
As well it should. Think about it.
Jason R. Decesare
In a previous article, ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Colin R. Leech) says:
>
>IRT1904 (irt...@aol.com) writes:
>> Did you know that any non-transit or other unauthorized person caught with
>> such keys in their possession can be charged by the police with possession
>> of burglery tools?
>>
>> It has happened in the past.
>
>As well it should. Think about it.
What, people are going to steal a subway train?
Now I wonder how you would hide it?
-Jason
--
"As New York approaches the 21st century, it is time to equip the greatest city
in the world with the finest transportation network in the world."
-Gov. George Elmer Pataki quoted in _The New York Times_ 5/3/96
Antny
Seriously, Jase. You're avoiding the tough issues here.
Nelson Ricardo
Jason R. Decesare (fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: >IRT1904 (irt...@aol.com) writes:
: >> Did you know that any non-transit or other unauthorized person caught with
: >> such keys in their possession can be charged by the police with possession
: >> of burglery tools?
: >> It has happened in the past.
: >As well it should. Think about it.
: What, people are going to steal a subway train?
: Now I wonder how you would hide it?
Some kid took an A-Train for a ride as the conductor. He went to Rockaway
and almost made it back to Washington Heights, had he not tripped a speed
brake.
Nelson Ricardo nqr...@is2.nyu.edu http://pages.nyu.edu/~nqr1042 :-)
Colin R. Leech
> I am wondering if there is any legal means for obtaining NYCTA type
> conductor's (skeleton) keys.
Ask the NYCTA if they'll trade you for the keys to your car and house.
Calvin Henry-Cotnam
Jason R. Decesare (fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) said...
>
>What, people are going to steal a subway train?
Isn't this a paraphrase of a line from the movie,
"The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3"?
--
Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE | "Spare the duct tape,
Ryerson Polytechnic University | spoil the job."
Toronto, Ontario, Canada | - Red Green
Phil Nasadowski
In article <4ml888$d...@ns2.ryerson.ca>, c...@cate.ryerson.ca (Calvin
Henry-Cotnam) wrote:
> Jason R. Decesare (fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) said...
> >
> >What, people are going to steal a subway train?
>
> Isn't this a paraphrase of a line from the movie,
> "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3"?
>
What the HECK is THAT movie ABOUT???
I've heard of it, but never seen it... Thumbs up or down?
Marc Dufour
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fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason R. Decesare)
écrivit le - wrote on 4 May 1996 23:36:14 GMT:
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>In a previous article, ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Colin R. Leech) says:
>>IRT1904 (irt...@aol.com) writes:
>>> Did you know that any non-transit or other unauthorized person caught with
>>> such keys in their possession can be charged by the police with possession
>>> of burglery tools?
>>>
>>> It has happened in the past.
>>
>>As well it should. Think about it.
>What, people are going to steal a subway train?
>Now I wonder how you would hide it?
Well, sometimes in the 40's, a Canadian National minor official was
arrested for "stealing" a train. What happenned is that while
intoxicated, and the town having ran out of booze, he took off with a
steam engine to the next town, where he was promptly arrested.
He was then charged for stealing the engine, and he was acquited when he
pleaded that he could not "steal" the engine, since it never left CN
property...
OTOH, in New-York, a whole train was successfully hidden from one of
those soulless bean-counters whose lowlifeness does not allow them to
see above the bottom line. This individual relentlessly went on to
search for all material that could be sold for scrap, and for years, he
has been hunting for that whole train, which was hidden with the
complicity of many employees... It is said that the guy either walked or
ran through EVERY tunnel of the whole system to look for it...
Then, the train was saved when the board of directors approved some
project to save some history rolling stock for a museum.
On a more personnal note, a friend of mine who has several private
passenger cars once saw an old baggage in a major railroad yard; he
wanted to buy it to use as a storage place. He then asked his contact at
the railroad to bid for it, and the contact came back saying "we don't
know where that car is; it's been lost since 1972"...
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Lawrence H. Greenwald
In article <philnaz-0605...@ppp-24.ts-3.nyc.idt.net>
phi...@tribeca.ios.com (Phil Nasadowski) writes:
> In article <4ml888$d...@ns2.ryerson.ca>, c...@cate.ryerson.ca (Calvin
> Henry-Cotnam) wrote:
>
> > Jason R. Decesare (fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) said...
> > >
> > >What, people are going to steal a subway train?
> >
> > Isn't this a paraphrase of a line from the movie,
> > "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3"?
> >
>
> What the HECK is THAT movie ABOUT???
> I've heard of it, but never seen it... Thumbs up or down?
It's a movie about just that. Terrorists take over the lead car of a New York
City subway train, uncouple it and move it into a tunnel between stations, shut
the power off and hold the passengers for ransom. Not a bad movie, but not
great. Features Robert Shaw, Martin Balsam, Walter Matthau and Jerry Stiller.
The term 'Pelham 1-2-3' refers to a train that left the Pelham Parkway terminal
in the Bronx at 1:23 PM (which makes it an IRT Lexington Ave line #6 headed for
Brooklyn Bridge terminal station). 1:23 PM (vs AM) because it takes place
during daylight hours).
Lawrence H. Greenwald (lgree...@powergrid.electriciti.com>
"I'm looking over a three leaf clover that I overlooked be-three!"
--Bugs Bunny
Mark Brader
> > Isn't this a paraphrase of a line from the movie,
> > "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3"?
>
> What the HECK is THAT movie ABOUT???
A subway car is hijacked and the passengers held hostage for ransom.
The criminals would seem to be trapped since the car can't leave the
system and its position is monitored, yet obviously they are intelligent
and have planned well, so they must have a way to get away with the money...
and that's as much as you should be told.
> Thumbs up or down?
Up from me. There are some minor technical flaws, and some of the comic
relief misfires, but it's still my favorite urban transit movie of all time.
--
Mark Brader "Hacking for 8 years gives a guy a memory.
m...@sq.com If you was with a woman -- I'd've noticed."
SoftQuad Inc., Toronto PHANTOM LADY
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Ray Mullins
It's a cliche, but...read the book. Seriously. It's a lot better.
Later,
Ray
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and site of the regional headquarters of the FTA)
m...@lerami.lerctr.org
http://www.lerctr.org/~mrm
Rev. Trashcan Man
In article <4mgple$q...@madeline.ins.cwru.edu>,
Jason R. Decesare <fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
>What, people are going to steal a subway train?
>Now I wonder how you would hide it?
But you gotta admit, it would make a great movie.
Constantino Tobio, Jr.
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"Charging Money for the Baby Jesus- that's Sacrilege!" -Beavis & Butthead
Calvin Henry-Cotnam
Lawrence H. Greenwald (lgree...@powergrid.electriciti.com) said...
>
>phi...@tribeca.ios.com (Phil Nasadowski) writes:
>
>> c...@cate.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam) wrote:
>>
>> > Jason R. Decesare (fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) said...
>> > >
>> >
>> > "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3"?
>> >
>>
>> What the HECK is THAT movie ABOUT???
>
>It's a movie about just that. Terrorists take over the lead car of a New
>York City subway train, uncouple it and move it into a tunnel between
>stations, shut the power off and hold the passengers for ransom. Not a
>bad movie, but not great. Features Robert Shaw, Martin Balsam, Walter
>Matthau and Jerry Stiller.
And when I asked if Jason's line was a paraphrase of a line from the
move, I was referring to a scene early in the film where a plumber
arrives to fix a toilet at one of the control towers. One transit
employee was taking the plumber in through an area that was not locked
and the plumber asked why it wasn't locked. The transit employee
replied, "Who's going to steal a subway train?" This was just minutes
before the hijackers took Pelham 1-2-3.
Bob Scheurle
fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason R. Decesare) wrote:
>What, people are going to steal a subway train?
It happened in NYC a couple years ago. The person who stole the train
impersonated a motorman and signed-up for overtime. He operated the
train, apparently safely, until he ran a red signal. That's how he
got caught.
Someone stole a SEPTA PCC?/LRV? a few years back. He ran a regular
route, collecting fares and carrying passengers, until he hit an
automobile.
--
Bob Scheurle
sche...@eclipse.net
sche...@itt.com
NJ Transit schedules at http://www.eclipse.net/~scheurle/njt
Jason R. Decesare
In a previous article, phi...@tribeca.ios.com (Phil Nasadowski) says:
>In article <4ml888$d...@ns2.ryerson.ca>, c...@cate.ryerson.ca (Calvin
>Henry-Cotnam) wrote:
>
>> Jason R. Decesare (fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) said...
>> >
>> >What, people are going to steal a subway train?
>>
>> Isn't this a paraphrase of a line from the movie,
>> "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3"?
>>
>
>What the HECK is THAT movie ABOUT???
With out spoiling it for anyone:
A group of armed men hijack a downtown Lexington Ave. local and hold it for
a ransom of one million dollars.
>I've heard of it, but never seen it... Thumbs up or down?
Thumbs up.
Good thriller, fast paced, and kind neat to see the subway of the '70s.
Added humor for subway buffs with lines like, "Every car on the IRT is
seventy-two feet long. . ."
-Jason
--
Although many of the scenes in this film were taken on transit property, the
New York City Transit Authority is not responsible for plot, story and
characters portrayed. The Authority did not render technical advice and
assistance. -Disclaimer from "The Taking of Pelham One Two Three"
Jason R. Decesare
In a previous article, c...@cate.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam) says:
>Jason R. Decesare (fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) said...
>>
>>What, people are going to steal a subway train?
>
>Isn't this a paraphrase of a line from the movie,
>"The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3"?
Finally, someone got my little joke.
However, in the movie they hijack the train and hold it for ransom.
Dave Mackey
Bob Scheurle (sche...@eclipse.net) wrote:
:
: It happened in NYC a couple years ago. The person who stole the train
: impersonated a motorman and signed-up for overtime. He operated the
: train, apparently safely, until he ran a red signal. That's how he
: got caught.
I remember that incident. I also remember Bus Willie, who would steal
NYCTA buses. He had the uniform and everything.
It's a little sad that some people's love of transit puts them over the
edge.
--
dma...@raven.cybercomm.net Dave Mackey
Visit my Home Page! http://raven.cybercomm.net/~dmackey
Josh Glazenburg-Diamond
In article <4mnt0n$1...@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> ct...@aloha.cc.columbia.edu (Rev. Trashcan Man) writes:
In article <4mgple$q...@madeline.ins.cwru.edu>,
Jason R. Decesare <fl...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
>What, people are going to steal a subway train?
>Now I wonder how you would hide it?
But you gotta admit, it would make a great movie.
Indeed... :-)
But remember the 14 yr. old kid who stole a train a few years back?
Spidey!!!
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Nelson Ricardo
Phil Nasadowski (phi...@tribeca.ios.com) wrote:
: > "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3"?
:
: What the HECK is THAT movie ABOUT???
: I've heard of it, but never seen it... Thumbs up or down?
It's an okay movie; good if you like transit. It's about some guys who
steal a train from the Pelham Line.
Steve Hoskins
In <318fbaf2...@news.eclipse.net> sche...@eclipse.net (Bob
Scheurle) writes:
>>What, people are going to steal a subway train?
>>Now I wonder how you would hide it?
>
>It happened in NYC a couple years ago. The person who stole the train
>impersonated a motorman and signed-up for overtime. He operated the
>train, apparently safely, until he ran a red signal. That's how he
>got caught.
>
>Someone stole a SEPTA PCC?/LRV? a few years back. He ran a regular
>route, collecting fares and carrying passengers, until he hit an
>automobile.
It's my understanding that the same situation occured quite frequently
in San Francisco. Apparently someone wanted to be a S.F. Muni driver
and couldn't get hired, so he decided to do the job anyway. He would
go to the bus depot, get transfers, take the bus, and do regular runs
every day. I don't know if/how he got caught!
S. F. Muni also had a bus stolen by a teenage kid, and it made it
almost all the way to Reno, Nevada. The Highway Patrol said they
didn't pay any attention to it because the kid was driving it in what
appeared to be a safe manner! I think it finally ran out of fuel.
If you could see how S. F. Muni used to park their buses, especially
around the yard near Fisherman's Wharf (I believe it is Kirkland yard),
you'd see how easy it was to get one of their buses. The buses, at
night, would be parked out on the streets around the yard (because the
yard was not big enough) and the doors were wide open. I've seen
similar situations around a couple of NYCTA's bus depots in the Bronx
too.
Matthew Mitchell
In article <318fbaf2...@news.eclipse.net>,
sche...@eclipse.net (Bob Scheurle) wrote:
>Someone stole a SEPTA PCC?/LRV? a few years back. He ran a regular
>route, collecting fares and carrying passengers, until he hit an
>automobile.
It was a Neoplan bus out of Frankford. My memory of the event is hazy, but
I think the same offender managed to do it twice in a month or so. Anyone
less hazy?
(and I'll admit on more than one occasion I told Ted Mills {then a trolley
operator on the P&W, now a supervisor} that if he came back late from
getting his coffee to take the 12:00 trip out of 69th St., I'd do it
myself--wish I'd actually gotten a chance to motor a Brill Bullet)
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/[ ]\ Delaware Valley Association of Railroad Passengers
/ | \ PO Box 7505, Philadelphia PA 19101-7505
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Marc Dufour
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sche...@eclipse.net (Bob Scheurle)
écrivit le - wrote on Tue, 07 May 1996 21:23:53 GMT:
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>Someone stole a SEPTA PCC?/LRV? a few years back. He ran a regular
>route, collecting fares and carrying passengers, until he hit an
>automobile.
It happenned sometimes like 14-15 years ago in Montréal. It seems that a
passenger was not happy with the way the bus driver was hard with the
brakes, so he forcibly threw the driver out of the bus and took over
until they got to the subway. It must have been a really bad driver,
because even though the bus was full of people, the CTCUM (then) could
not find a single witness to nail the guy...
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Frank J. Schifano
On May 05, 1996 22:07:55 in article <Re: Conductor's Keys: How can you get
them?>, 'nqr...@is2.nyu.edu (Nelson Ricardo)' wrote:
>Nelson Ricardo nqr...@is2.nyu.edu http://pages.nyu.edu/~nqr1042 :-)
Gee. I didn't know that conductors drove the trains too...
Frank J. Schifano