The Schneider Scam
instructor
85% small business owned. They like to wrap themselves in the flag,
just like the neocons & their leader with his 98 I.Q. They like small
business allright, like Walmart & Schneider. According to Open Road XM
Trucking Radio, Schneider reps. testified to a friendly special
commitee of congress, where they've asked to increase the Visa program
for Mexican drivers. You know what that's going to do to wages.
Who is likely to be eliminated (AARP) ?
While lots of trucking firms have stopped their training programs,
because of high insurance costs of untested new drivers, Schneider did
not. They'll take anyone with good driving record, but minimize their
risk by early elimination.
Simply in plain english, they'll fail them, by saying that the course
is too fast & he can't keep up, or he's making too many mistakes. They
do this by documentation which I call elimination. What do they care,
they got plenty of applicants.
Two instructors are sent out by the candidate & they'll compare notes.
The notes will agree, because they've agreed before they've started.
Who is likely to be eliminated ? Anyone actually whom they figure is
risky or may be costly for insurance, such as an older driver. Yes they
use seniors in training videos, most likely actors. They've an AARP
endorsement on their site, but there's a disclaimer from AARP if you
want to contact them. This is reality in a nutshell.
If Schneider really wants to help, than students should be informed
regularly from the start what they're doing wrong & what they should be
doing or work on. This will not happen, because it would interfere with
their elimination process. They figure that it's their option to select
those whom they want. I say they're all wet, technically & legally.
The Schneider legal game:
Schneider will have the contract from one state, the loan from another
& the Academy outside of one's home state & they'll lease their trucks.
They owe all these entities, which they use ins a legal game as
roadblocks.
They are in denial, because they suppose to teach you how to drive &
not to difer risks associated by lack of training. Applicants are told
by recruiters that the graduation rate is 85% in the Schneider Academy.
This may be true, but it's not true to those whom were eliminated. I
recommend them to contact their state consumer complaint agency &
report to the better business bureau this scam. Remember you're good
for 5 yrs. with a lawsuit. It's good to know because the moron did put
his own people in key positions.
The Schneider Academy will give minimum driver training in the first 2
weeks. They use this time to teach in classroom the company procedures,
loging time, commonly used in the industry, pre trip & post trip
inspections, Sim class, where they try to scare you before elimination,
map reading & trip planning. Some of the stuff they teach you are
ridiculous & experienced truckers don't do it that way. Give you an
example on map reading & trip planning & I'm not going into double
clutching.
They'll tell you don't use the cell phone & don't trust GPS. They're
not only backwards & ridiculous but plain stupid. GPS is accurate
within 5-10 feet & the military is using it. GPS will not pick up the
latest Walmart & associated road construction, but neither is the map
they give you. This has to be filed & recorded first, before it appears
on the map.
Anyone with a mobile phone & the right plan today can get step by step
directions from where he's at to where he wants to go within minutes.
This is not rocket science, but they will tell you that you may get
lost & they just can't take the risk with you.
This is really stupid, especially coming from the Academy Manager. Yes
you may check the map for bridge capacity or height requirements for
overpass. P.S. truckers have special software for that too.
This Qualcom which Schneider bought years ago today is nothing more
than a crack of shit. Yes technology changes, but they don't admit to
it. Today it's voice to text & text to voice & not macros by Qualcom
off the road.
Roughrider50
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gpsman
> Schneider is the 900 pound guerilla in the trucking industry
>
> not to difer risks associated by lack of training.
>
> weeks. They use this time to teach in classroom the company procedures,
> loging time, commonly used in the industry, pre trip & post trip
> inspections, Sim class, where they try to scare you before elimination,
> map reading & trip planning. Some of the stuff they teach you are
> ridiculous & experienced truckers don't do it that way. Give you an
> example on map reading & trip planning & I'm not going into double
> clutching.
>
> They'll tell you don't use the cell phone & don't trust GPS. They're
> not only backwards & ridiculous but plain stupid. GPS is accurate
> within 5-10 feet & the military is using it.
>
> you may check the map for bridge capacity or height requirements for
> overpass. P.S. truckers have special software for that too.
You flunked out, get over it. Driving a truck isn't for everybody.
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- gpsman
richard
"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> 85% small business owned. They like to wrap themselves in the flag,
> just like the neocons & their leader with his 98 I.Q. They like small
> business allright, like Walmart & Schneider. According to Open Road XM
> Trucking Radio, Schneider reps. testified to a friendly special
> commitee of congress, where they've asked to increase the Visa program
> for Mexican drivers. You know what that's going to do to wages.
>
Tell me about it. I've been thanking Schneider ever since they kicked me
loose in 1990.
During my week at Green Bay, we had one instructor who had a reputation that
he was known to fail every one of his students regardless. Did he care? He
got his paycheck just the same.
You forgot to mention company spies.
There was one young lady in our "class" from Seville, Oh. who seemed to fit
that category.
Without a 2nd thought the manager handed her the keys to a car, told her she
was in charge. Yet she had no experience.
We were told to go a certain way, get fuel at a certain location, and be in
our motel by a certain time.
Obviously a test. I simply suggested that if it were my choice, I'd go down
to US30 and cut away that way as it's quicker.
In our class room, our instructor gave us a route to figure out. Now how do
you suppose that this little girl with no experience got it almost right
with barely looking at the map?
It is true that Schneider had the habit of taking anyone. Not so any more. I
went to talk to them about leasing a truck. Because I had one ticket, I was
not eligible to drive for them. But I could have gotten the truck.
While Schneider used to be the largest company on the road, where are they
now?
Selling off their glass hauling specialist department doesn't indicate they
are going down the tubes?
Even their tanker division sees little traffic.
It won't be long before Don Schneider decides to call it quits.
Same is true with C R England. Now talk about a company that will hire
anyone able to walk, they will.
They have Mexicans who can barely speak a word of English.
They will try their damndest to get you to lease a truck right out of school
so they can make a ton of money from your ignorance.
Anthony Martinez
wrote:
So how much money do you owe Schneider? Did they offer their "free
training?"
Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan
"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> 85% small business owned.
Please cite your source for this information. With companies like Swift, JB
Hunt, Yellow Freight, UPS and other large companies, I'd really like to see
this information you have that shows a different side of reality.
They like to wrap themselves in the flag,
> just like the neocons & their leader with his 98 I.Q. They like small
> business allright, like Walmart & Schneider. According to Open Road XM
> Trucking Radio, Schneider reps. testified to a friendly special
> commitee of congress, where they've asked to increase the Visa program
> for Mexican drivers. You know what that's going to do to wages.
My guess is keep them the same?
>
> Who is likely to be eliminated (AARP) ?
Those who do not know how to drive - and I'm assuming you're one of those?
>
> While lots of trucking firms have stopped their training programs,
> because of high insurance costs of untested new drivers, Schneider did
> not. They'll take anyone with good driving record, but minimize their
> risk by early elimination.
Read - "I couldn't pass their testing, and I'm pissed"
>
> Simply in plain english, they'll fail them, by saying that the course
> is too fast & he can't keep up, or he's making too many mistakes. They
> do this by documentation which I call elimination. What do they care,
> they got plenty of applicants.
Call it purple rocks for all you want. Documentation of poor driving skills
is what it is - proof. I'd love to see your eval sheet.
>
> Two instructors are sent out by the candidate & they'll compare notes.
> The notes will agree, because they've agreed before they've started.
You do realize you are ranting like a lunatic? Do you have a tinfoil hat?
> Who is likely to be eliminated ? Anyone actually whom they figure is
> risky or may be costly for insurance, such as an older driver.
Your "story" holds no water. Why pre-hire an older person that they have
already deemed risky?
>Yes they
> use seniors in training videos, most likely actors.
Schneider would not waste money on actors when they have so many drivers to
choose from.
They've an AARP
> endorsement on their site, but there's a disclaimer from AARP if you
> want to contact them. This is reality in a nutshell.
The more I read your rant, I'm more inclined to believe your reality is from
a nut hatch.
>
> If Schneider really wants to help, than students should be informed
> regularly from the start what they're doing wrong & what they should be
> doing or work on.
So, which part of your 4 evaluations during 2 weeks of training confused
you? Were large words used that threw you off?
> This will not happen, because it would interfere with
> their elimination process.
Uh - documenting problems would actually help this paranoid "elimination
process" you fantasize about.
> They figure that it's their option to select
> those whom they want. I say they're all wet, technically & legally.
What the hell does that even mean? And yes, it is their option to select
whom they want - it is a private business, and they have the final say as to
who will drive their trucks. They prfer people that can actually show an
ability to drive, as well be able to deal with they policies and procedures.
>
> The Schneider legal game:
>
> Schneider will have the contract from one state, the loan from another
> & the Academy outside of one's home state & they'll lease their trucks.
Dipshit - they lease their trucks from themselves. SNI leases the trucks
from Schneider Finance. It's a somewhat common tax write-off in big
business.
> They owe all these entities, which they use ins a legal game as
> roadblocks.
Who owes all these entities? What roadblocks? You're blabbering, man.
>
> They are in denial, because they suppose to teach you how to drive &
> not to difer risks associated by lack of training. Applicants are told
> by recruiters that the graduation rate is 85% in the Schneider Academy.
Oh God - please do no tell me you were dumb enough to actually believe a
recruiter? Not just Schneider's, but anyone's?
> This may be true, but it's not true to those whom were eliminated.
Again - a statement that really makes no sense.
> I recommend them to contact their state consumer complaint agency &
> report to the better business bureau this scam.
Please define this so-called "scam". So far, all you've mentioned is the
fact that Schneider has the ability to fail people they feel are not able to
pass their training. I'm no legal expert, but I'm pretty sure that's not
illegal. And, I bet others with sour grapes like yours, have tried doing
just that.
Remember you're good
> for 5 yrs. with a lawsuit. It's good to know because the moron did put
> his own people in key positions.
Which moron do you speak of?
>
> The Schneider Academy will give minimum driver training in the first 2
> weeks.
Correct - they then send those that can pass out for 2 or more weeks with a
Training Engineer, over the road, for continued, 'practical' training. Let
me guess - you didn't get that far, did ya?
They use this time to teach in classroom the company procedures,
> loging time, commonly used in the industry, pre trip & post trip
> inspections, Sim class, where they try to scare you before elimination,
Try to scare you? Lol - a lot cheaper to have you go into a skid in a sim
than a real truck down the highway. God forbid you should actually be shown
some of the things that can, and do, happen out there.
> map reading & trip planning. Some of the stuff they teach you are
> ridiculous & experienced truckers don't do it that way.
Lol - that's really the point, isn't it? How would you know what
"experienced" truck drivers do - you couldn't pass the initial 2 weeks.
> Give you an
> example on map reading & trip planning
They spend a whole day on that, and then some. If you had trouble reading
the maps, and with trip planning, you could have asked for help. But, I'm
willing to bet it was all "This is stupid" type of an attitude from you,
wasn't it?
& I'm not going into double
> clutching.
Obviously you didn't go through Carlisle, considering that statement. Maybe
you're right - they should teach everyone how to float gears, and let
everyone tear up transmissions until they know what they are doing.
>
> They'll tell you don't use the cell phone
Which is good advice - while driving.
They're
> not only backwards & ridiculous but plain stupid. GPS is accurate
> within 5-10 feet & the military is using it. GPS will not pick up the
> latest Walmart & associated road construction, but neither is the map
> they give you. This has to be filed & recorded first, before it appears
> on the map.
The more you write - the more I know what you had trouble with in
training......
>
> Anyone with a mobile phone & the right plan today can get step by step
> directions from where he's at to where he wants to go within minutes.
> This is not rocket science, but they will tell you that you may get
> lost & they just can't take the risk with you.
Aha! You failed map reading, didn't you!
>
> This is really stupid, especially coming from the Academy Manager. Yes
> you may check the map for bridge capacity or height requirements for
> overpass. P.S. truckers have special software for that too.
>
> This Qualcom which Schneider bought years ago today is nothing more
> than a crack of shit. Yes technology changes, but they don't admit to
> it.
Actually, they do - and they've made a lot of changes with the Qualcomm
systems over the years - including using the very "special software" you
spoke of.
Today it's voice to text & text to voice & not macros by Qualcom
> off the road.
>
Please, oh please, tell us which trucking outfits use voice to text and text
to voice technology in their trucks. I guess you had trouble reading
Qualcomm messages too, didn't you? Willing to bet you were just hoping to go
in there, hop behind the wheel, and become Captain Pumpkin - right? But oh
no - you had to actually learn something! *Gasp!* Show you knew what the
hell you were doing. Oh no! You couldn't do that, got pissed (and probably
had an attitude about it), and flunked out of the academy.
You know what? Good - one less know-it-all smartass behind the wheel the
rest rest of us professional drivers would have to otherwise worry about. Go
drive an ice cream truck.
instructor
instructor
criticism for spelling errors. I like to elaborate about the scam,
because that's the jest of this topic.
When Schneider charge you $321 daily for open book classroom training,
you're being scammed. Schneider pays $25 daily for your room &
breakfast to the hotel. They had no intention of teaching you from the
start. You'll fail for driving. Rest assured that you got a case with
your state's consumer complaints agency. I hope that I've shed some
light to those in search of remedies.
Frankly my man is confused about the world around him, the
technicalities of the training difficulties & the law. I'll not waste
time to answer him point by point.
Most of the training you get, you can do at home in your spare time for
free. Map reading & trip planning I've learned in grade school &
didn't need any Schneider instructions for that. Regarding the GPS
mysteries, I must point out, that trucking companies are backwards. The
technology is ahead of them & they're behind the curve. Schneider
didn't know his asshole from the hole in the ground when he invested
in Qualcam, but that didn't matter, because the rest of them didn't
know any better either.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
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What a nutbag.
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It was when Lucifer first congratulated
himself upon his angelic behavior that he
became the tool of evil. -Hammarskjöld
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Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan
> I've red most of the comments & I'm glad that I didn't get any
> criticism for spelling errors. I like to elaborate about the scam,
> because that's the jest of this topic.
>
> When Schneider charge you $321 daily for open book classroom training,
> you're being scammed. Schneider pays $25 daily for your room &
> breakfast to the hotel. They had no intention of teaching you from the
> start. You'll fail for driving. Rest assured that you got a case with
> your state's consumer complaints agency. I hope that I've shed some
> light to those in search of remedies.
Actually, you haven't. You have not factored in the cost of the actual
training, the instructor's pay, the in truck training, the materials you are
given, and other items. Does it cost $321 a day? Can't vouch for that - but
it's a might more than the $25 a day you are complaining about. Find other
training that's free. I still say your have sour grapes because of crappy
driving skills.
>
> Frankly my man is confused about the world around him, the
> technicalities of the training difficulties & the law. I'll not waste
> time to answer him point by point.
It's sad to see you think this way. Again, I'm very happy to see that you
are not behind the wheel of a truck. You seem very closed-minded, and
unwilling to listen to others who may have something to actually teach you.
As for the so-called confusion of the "technicalities of the training
difficulties", nothing could be further from the truth. I won't go into
details as to why, but rest assured, you are incorrect in that assumption.
You refuse to respond to my points because you really have no leg to stand
on.
>
> Most of the training you get, you can do at home in your spare time for
> free.
Well - good for you. Let us know how your backing skills are coming along,
as well as your button-hooks, snub braking, skip shifting, pre-trips,
scaling, and the legalities of logging. If you were so damn smart, why
weren't you smart enough to not need any training?
Map reading & trip planning I've learned in grade school &
> didn't need any Schneider instructions for that.
Trip planning in grade school? Wow - impressive. It's amazing how many
people you are calling idiots with that statement - because I've seen a lot
of people, even not in training, that have trouble with map reading and trip
planning.
Regarding the GPS
> mysteries, I must point out, that trucking companies are backwards. The
> technology is ahead of them & they're behind the curve. Schneider
> didn't know his asshole from the hole in the ground when he invested
> in Qualcam, but that didn't matter, because the rest of them didn't
> know any better either.
So, what's your point then? Satellite communication and tracking is a thing
of the past? Please let us know of this modern technology you speak of.
Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan
> Frankly my man is confused about the world around him
Also - I'll put my ten years of "confusion" up against your driving
experience. Let me know when your wisdom actually gains you a CDL, and we
can talk.
realitytrucker
Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan wrote:
It's obvious from his post that he flunked out of Schneider's driving
school yet he can't take the blame. He'd rather go off on a rant and
put all the blame on the company.
And did ya notice the only other poster who agreed with hm? Another
loser by the name of Richard.
gpsman
> I've red most of the comments & I'm glad that I didn't get any
> criticism for spelling errors. I like to elaborate about the scam,
> because that's the jest of this topic.
If you hadn't been tossed, would it still be a scam? If you're so
smart, why did you enroll and accept their terms?
> When Schneider charge you $321 daily for open book classroom training,
> you're being scammed. Schneider pays $25 daily for your room &
> breakfast to the hotel.
So? You're an expert on teaching methods and expect an 11 day school
to be worth... what, per day?
> They had no intention of teaching you from the
> start.You'll fail for driving.
Really? Surely they don't flunk every student...? How would one fail
for "driving"?
> Rest assured that you got a case with
> your state's consumer complaints agency. I hope that I've shed some
> light to those in search of remedies.
How could you have? How's your remedy going? Did you abandon a
successful law practice to become a truck driver?
> Frankly my man is confused about the world around him, the
> technicalities of the training difficulties & the law. I'll not waste
> time to answer him point by point.
Why not? You ain't working? And I'll guess you ain't looking very
hard either so you should have some extra time on your hands.
> Most of the training you get, you can do at home in your spare time for
> free. Map reading & trip planning I've learned in grade school &
> didn't need any Schneider instructions for that.
What grade are you in now?
> Regarding the GPS
> mysteries, I must point out, that trucking companies are backwards. The
> technology is ahead of them & they're behind the curve.
So, I presume you are forwarding the idea that trucking companies
should be developing GPS technology and be at the forefront of the
curve... so it seems you know little if anything about either.
> Schneider
> didn't know his asshole from the hole in the ground when he invested
> in Qualcam, but that didn't matter, because the rest of them didn't
> know any better either.
They had the money to invest. I presume they didn't acquire that
financial position because they're stupid. I would also presume you
don't know the details of those investments or their ROI.
You seem to be the classic "know-it-all" even though you've never been
in any position to learn anything about GPS, Qualcomm, or the trucking
industry. You therefore seem very resistant to learning and a prime
candidate for the shitcan of any school.
You didn't want to learn to double-clutch since experienced drivers
float the gears. You probably never considered that you have to
double-clutch fairly well in order to pass the driving portion of the
CDL test.
I have a feeling there's a spatula or Mexican backhoe in your future
and you'll be surprised to hear you don't know how to operate those
either.
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- gpsman
Top
Bullis couldn't identify the truth if someone pointed it out to him. That
has been proven many times in this NG.
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debt reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and
controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands curtailed,
lest Rome become bankrupt. -Quintus Tullius Cicero
realitytrucker
This guy is more than a little confused. He seems to think that
Qualcomm is only for sat messaging. Perhaps if he'd do a little
research he might just learn that it is also for tracking the
whereabouts of the company's truck and trailer via GPS.
I guess what he wants is for a company to provide him with GPS
technology to use to eliminate map reading and trip planning. I don't
know of any company that provides that for their drivers.
Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan
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> On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:30:34 -0400, Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>
>>
>> "richard" <d...@john.son> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1160232395.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Schneider is the 900 pound guerilla in the trucking industry, which is
>>>> 85% small business owned. They like to wrap themselves in the flag,
>>>> just like the neocons & their leader with his 98 I.Q. They like small
>>>> business allright, like Walmart & Schneider. According to Open Road XM
>>>> Trucking Radio, Schneider reps. testified to a friendly special
>>>> commitee of congress, where they've asked to increase the Visa program
>>>> for Mexican drivers. You know what that's going to do to wages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Tell me about it. I've been thanking Schneider ever since they kicked me
>>> loose in 1990.
>>> During my week at Green Bay, we had one instructor who had a reputation
>>> that he was known to fail every one of his students regardless. Did he
>>> care? He got his paycheck just the same. You forgot to mention company
>>> spies.
One week in Green Bay? Not bad, since it's a 2 week course, even back in
1990. Also, there are bonuses involved for each student that passes -
wouldn't you think that wouls be an incentive to NOT fail everyone? Bullises
(lack of) line of thinking still amazes me.
>>>
>>> It is true that Schneider had the habit of taking anyone. Not so any
>>> more. I went to talk to them about leasing a truck. Because I had one
>>> ticket, I was not eligible to drive for them. But I could have gotten
>>> the truck.
>>>
>>> While Schneider used to be the largest company on the road, where are
>>> they now?
Still the largest privately held truckload company, and still expanding.
>>> Selling off their glass hauling specialist department doesn't indicate
>>> they are going down the tubes?
Just the opposite - they are freeing up capital to expand into other
markets, especially buying out trucking companies in China to become an
international company. The glass division was not much of a money maker.
>>> Even their tanker division sees little traffic.
Really? Care to document this non-fact?
>>>
>>> It won't be long before Don Schneider decides to call it quits.
He hasn't been in charge of the company for over a year now. Any more of
your wisdom to share, Bullis?
instructor
opinion on some of the issues. This is not about how many years someone
had on the road w/Schneider. This is about a scam & what to do about
it.
Schneider may have the right to fail you for driving, but you also have
the right for training. Did they try to teach you, or not ? Did they
go over the problems with you or they just told you flat it's up to
you, & they got no time for you, like they've done with me. I've never
heard of the 4 point evaluation. I was asked what is my problem but
this was a phony question. The manager reads all the reports & knows
the problems. Not only they kept me in the dark, but cheated me on
training. Those who were behind got less training & were failed. They
were assigned 2 to a truck in training, but were instructed to fudge
the logbook. I caught on to this & the elimination by documentation
followed. This was inevidable & it needs to be out in the open. I'm
fighting them & I don't believe I'm alone.
I.M.O. regarding attitudes, some instructors at Schneider could not
even pass a simple psychological evaluation test. I can tell you about
one infamous instructor who claimed
that his student deliberately tried to kill him, by trying to hit the
telephonepole. The student whom was more credible told me, there were
no telephone poles around.
GPS techchnology is a proven success & commonly available & affordable
to anyone. Schneider however wants you to believe in training that it's
unreliable, & what they got is revolutionary. What is revolutionary, is
voice to text & text to voice. To my knowledge no trucking firm is
using it yet. They are very conservative, to put it mildly. The first
time I used this was with yahoo by phone, which was years ago. Now it's
combined w/GPS & has nothing to do w/yahoo. Even common GPS software
uses voice technology, turn by turn instructions & voice commands. How
does Qualcom compares to that with macros ? My man with his 10 years
of trucking experience is dumber than a doorknob.
Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan
> I'm not going to address all the nonsense here, but will give my
> opinion on some of the issues. This is not about how many years someone
> had on the road w/Schneider. This is about a scam & what to do about
> it.
>
> Schneider may have the right to fail you for driving, but you also have
> the right for training. Did they try to teach you, or not ? Did they
> go over the problems with you or they just told you flat it's up to
> you, & they got no time for you, like they've done with me. I've never
> heard of the 4 point evaluation. I was asked what is my problem but
> this was a phony question. The manager reads all the reports & knows
> the problems. Not only they kept me in the dark, but cheated me on
> training. Those who were behind got less training & were failed. They
> were assigned 2 to a truck in training, but were instructed to fudge
> the logbook. I caught on to this & the elimination by documentation
> followed. This was inevidable & it needs to be out in the open. I'm
> fighting them & I don't believe I'm alone.
Maybe not alone - but in a very, very small crowd. You failed training, and
are pissed off about it. IMHO, you have a very narrow point of view, and are
unwilling to accept any constructive critisism that does not conform with
your point of view.
>
> I.M.O. regarding attitudes, some instructors at Schneider could not
> even pass a simple psychological evaluation test.
I'd be curious to see how you do.
I can tell you about
> one infamous instructor who claimed
> that his student deliberately tried to kill him, by trying to hit the
> telephonepole. The student whom was more credible told me, there were
> no telephone poles around.
>
> GPS techchnology is a proven success & commonly available & affordable
> to anyone. Schneider however wants you to believe in training that it's
> unreliable,
So, you couldn't learn how to drive, amd that makes their training
unreliable? What made you go to them for training in the first place?
> what they got is revolutionary.
It is a lot better than the majority of systems in use today. Doesn't make
it great, but it does make it very useful.
> What is revolutionary, is
> voice to text & text to voice. To my knowledge no trucking firm is
> using it yet. They are very conservative, to put it mildly. The first
> time I used this was with yahoo by phone, which was years ago. Now it's
> combined w/GPS & has nothing to do w/yahoo. Even common GPS software
> uses voice technology, turn by turn instructions & voice commands. How
> does Qualcom compares to that with macros ?
You do realize that the Qualcomm is use for more than just directions,
correct? My guess is you are so hell-bent on converting an entire trucking
company to voice -to - text and visa versa, that you just block out the rest
of what was being taught to you. Sure, your GPS/text to voice is a nice
idea - but do you know what the implimentation costs would be? Also - any
idea if this system is actually being tested in a select test group to check
it's viability?
> My man with his 10 years of trucking experience is dumber than a doorknob.
Still willing to put my experience up against yours any day of the week.
Please explain your statement on "dumber" - how do you come to this
unwarrented conclusion? Sorry I don't conform to your narrow point of view,
but it is actually based on real-world experience, not your world of
"shoulda". Are you saying that everyone who opposes your point of view is
"dumb"? What a sad, bitter world you live in.
Also - I am not "your man".
instructor
reality. Schneider can fail anybody in training & will ask for
reimbursement, blaming him for failing. Now that's called a scam & you
don't have to accept it, if it happens to you. Make sure you report it
& fight it, but don't pay them if they screwed you.
Learning how to drive takes time. You'll not learn it in the classroom
& certainly not learn it in 2 weeks. The first 2 weeks are used for
elimination. Schneider have a very good training program for driving,
but it's not the first 2 weeks. They also have some very good
instructors, whom are company man. I had some private conversations
with them & basically they've agreed with me. What they have to teach
is often no more than a crack of shit & yes sometimes they have to lie.
They also have some instructors who should not be there, lie routinely
& require treatment. Like they say in Yiddish, the fish stinks from the
head at the Academy.
Qualcom is for trucking management & spyware on the driver. Let's not
confuse that with dedicated GPS, whose purpose is providing location &
directions to the driver.
The GPS system has been widely tested for years & it's reliable & cost
affective. The system that I'm talking about was pioneered in Canada &
will be offered in luxury cars or anyone who wants to pay for the
service. It's a one box system, where everything comes in as voice &
you can reply via voice through a speaker; email, fax, phone,
directions. It's ridiculous & stupid when the school manager tells you,
that you may get lost on the road. I had no problems with map reading
or route planning.
I'm not advocating GPS & I know that the majority of truckers are
computer illeterate. Just because someone has been driving for 10 yrs.
or posting on this forum for sometimes doesn't mean that he knows shit
from shine. Truckers get their directions on the radio. They don't even
know their email address on their mobile phone. I like to share a
glimpse into the future, which is here & present. The net is the mother
of all communications & the future of the net is mobile & WIMAX. This
is mobile broadband.
realitytrucker
instructor wrote:
> If anyone got a narrow view, that's this dumbell who can't accept
> reality. Schneider can fail anybody in training & will ask for
> reimbursement, blaming him for failing. Now that's called a scam & you
> don't have to accept it, if it happens to you. Make sure you report it
> & fight it, but don't pay them if they screwed you.
Uh, did the contract say you would have to reimburse if you failed?
Did you sign the contract? If the answer to both questions is yes then
it's not a scam. Oh, yeah, one more: Did you even bother to READ the
contract?
>
> Learning how to drive takes time. You'll not learn it in the classroom
> & certainly not learn it in 2 weeks. The first 2 weeks are used for
> elimination. Schneider have a very good training program for driving,
> but it's not the first 2 weeks. They also have some very good
> instructors, whom are company man. I had some private conversations
> with them & basically they've agreed with me. What they have to teach
> is often no more than a crack of shit & yes sometimes they have to lie.
> They also have some instructors who should not be there, lie routinely
> & require treatment. Like they say in Yiddish, the fish stinks from the
> head at the Academy.
>
>
> Qualcom is for trucking management & spyware on the driver.
"Spyware"? You mean wanting to know where their $100,000.00 piece of
equipment and load is is considered "spying"?
Let's not
> confuse that with dedicated GPS, whose purpose is providing location &
> directions to the driver.
My co. uses Qualcomm and I recieve directions on it. I'm afraid I
don't follow your rant.
>
> The GPS system has been widely tested for years & it's reliable & cost
> affective. The system that I'm talking about was pioneered in Canada &
> will be offered in luxury cars or anyone who wants to pay for the
> service. It's a one box system, where everything comes in as voice &
> you can reply via voice through a speaker; email, fax, phone,
> directions. It's ridiculous & stupid when the school manager tells you,
> that you may get lost on the road. I had no problems with map reading
> or route planning.
Then why, exactly, did you flunk out?
>
> I'm not advocating GPS & I know that the majority of truckers are
> computer illeterate. Just because someone has been driving for 10 yrs.
> or posting on this forum for sometimes doesn't mean that he knows shit
> from shine. Truckers get their directions on the radio.
What radio? Oh, you mean the CB? Hell, I'd never follow directions
some clown gave me over the CB. At least not without cross referencing
it with the directions I got over the ualcomm and my map. Relying
soley on other drivers on the CB is a sure way to get lost.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
> If anyone got a narrow view, that's this dumbell who can't accept
> reality.
<snip your whining bullshit>
As someone with 15 years experience as a technical instructor, I can spot
several reasons why you got shitcanned just in a few posts- I pity the poor
bastards that had to put up with you for a week.
First, you're attending -their- program- shut the fuck up about your
stupid fuckin GPS and read the fuckin map.
The day you get in your own truck, do what ever you want, hang a GPS
around your neck and stick one up your ass.
The fact you can't follow simple direction for two weeks is a direct
reflection on your maturity and judgment, and they're not going to put you
in a truck with your -blindingly- obvious attitude problem.
They're entrusting you with $100,000 plus vehicle, and God knows the load,
and they have to have a reasonable expectation that you'll conform to their
wishes to a certain degree, and you simply -refuse- to provide that.
Frankly, you're not worth helping, Mr. Know-It-All.
There are other studii grateful for the chance.
Second is your sour grapes attitude about the other instructors.
Maybe you should have hit the books, and concentrated on doing things
their way until you were done, instead of standing around gossiping.
The fact that you expect an entire major corporate entity to come to a
screeching halt and bend to your will shows a complete lack of realism on
your part.
You're right where you belong- out of their truck.
And training isn't free- especially when you spend the entire time making
an ass out of yourself.
Run along, boy.
Don't bother to answer, I've seen -far- too many of you "smarter than the
instructor but can't get a job" types.
Gashauler
To even begin to be a professional driver you need three basic skills. 1.
Keep you mouth shut. 2. Keep you ears open. 3. Keep your eyes open. You've
failed on all three of these very basic skills. I know of no good drivers
that will say they'd learned all there is to driving. Your mentality on
driving comes right out of the movies. You want to skip all the necessary
training and go right into being a Billy Big Rigger. Some day you might have
a clue but right now stick to the internet. But instead of learning to drive
a truck off the net why don't you go for rocket scientist it pays better?
Gashauler
"realitytrucker" <timp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> This guy is more than a little confused. He seems to think that
> Qualcomm is only for sat messaging. Perhaps if he'd do a little
> research he might just learn that it is also for tracking the
> whereabouts of the company's truck and trailer via GPS.
>
> I guess what he wants is for a company to provide him with GPS
> technology to use to eliminate map reading and trip planning. I don't
> know of any company that provides that for their drivers.
>
No he said that Qualcomm is a way the company "SPIES" on you. It's a shame
that there's no screening before the school training. What would happen if
this guy got through the training. We'd have ANOTHER steering wheel holder.
I can honestly say that my company did intensive background checks before
the driver got anywhere near a truck. Some of it I didn't agree with like
the credit reports but they had their reasons. I wish there would be some
type of controls on the schools because there seems to be a loss for the old
school driver that really knows the equipment and how to treat it.
instructor
bla, bla..."
My man likes to fantasize.
" Uh, did the contract say you would have to reimburse if you failed?
Did you sign the contract? If the answer to both questions is yes then
it's not a scam. Oh, yeah, one more: Did you even bother to READ the
contract? "
Yes I've signed the contract & Schneider has defaulted. It'scalled
breach of contract. My man, is dumber than a door knob.
Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan
You seem to want to posses men. Anyhow - what exactly did they default? Cite
specifics.
realitytrucker
Well, you didn't say whether the contract said you had to reimburse if
you failed the training. Lets assume it did. Then its no scam and
Schneider didn't default. You did, evidently if you have to reimburse
them.
"Dumber than a door knob"? Hmmm, let's see. I passed my driver
training. I have a successful career as a driver\. I have had no
tickets, no accidents, no "incidents" as my company likes to refer to
them as. You flunked out of a basic truck driving course. Who's dumb?
I'd say it was you.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
> As someone with 15 years experience as a technical instructo...bla,
> bla, bla..."
>
> My man likes to fantasize.
Blah, blah, blah.
Make sure you spell "Schneider" right on that check.
> " Uh, did the contract say you would have to reimburse if you failed?
> Did you sign the contract? If the answer to both questions is yes then
> it's not a scam. Oh, yeah, one more: Did you even bother to READ the
> contract? "
I'm not the one to ask.
> Yes I've signed the contract & Schneider has defaulted. It'scalled
> breach of contract. My man, is dumber than a door knob.
I'm not the one that signed the contract.
Slyvester
> in Qualcam, but that didn't matter, because the rest of them didn't know any better >either.
Imagine that, Schneider owns a publicly traded, multi-billion dollar
conglomerate of which ALL of the share owners can be looked up on the
stock exchanges website. (NASDAQ) Hint Don Schneider and Schneider
National are not listed as MAJOR owners of Qualcomm Stock.
Even if he did own a bunch of Qualcomm stock, WOW! Since 1999 it has
split 5 times,
If you had invested $10000 in 1991 when it went public, it would now be
worth $736638. Yeah, I see what you mean, he is sooooooooooooo stupid,
he really doesnt know anything, Like you anyway.
heheheh
Slyvester <Moron Neocon
instructor
default? Cite
specifics. "
There was a long list with everything but manslaughter. Believe me if
they don't want you, they'll fail you with a list & you will not get a
4 point evaluation. It's like a courtmarshal or Getmo.
Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan
You lack of any real information in your response indicates you really have
nothing to show indicating breach of contract, or else you'd be more than
happy to share whith everyone in an attempt to "shed some light" on the
situation (you words, not mine).
As for this "4 point evaluation" you refer to, it's news to me. What is it?
Schneider does not use such a thing in training.
Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan
> Who is likely to be eliminated ? Anyone actually whom they figure is
> risky or may be costly for insurance, such as an older driver. Yes they
> use seniors in training videos, most likely actors. They've an AARP
> endorsement on their site, but there's a disclaimer from AARP if you
> want to contact them. This is reality in a nutshell.
Actually, in the non-paranoid world, THIS is reality:
Baby Boomers start truckin'
Listen to this story
The trucking industry is in the middle of its worst labor shortage ever. As
companies hone their recruiting efforts, they're focusing on one group of
potential truckers: Baby Boomers. Martha Woodroof tells us it could be a
match made in economic heaven.
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2006/10/10/AM200610101.html
instructor
> You seem to want to posses men. Anyhow - what exactly did they default? Cite
> specifics.
The list was everything but manslaughter & no 4 point evaluation. The
reality is simply common mistakes that a student makes & even some pros
& nothing spectacular.
instructor
see, but they are my juniors. What I got was a 5 point evaluation & my
age had to be a factor. The manager decided early on, that it's not
worth training me. He told me flat, not to expect any help with
driving. The fact is I didn't even get the same practice time like
others whom passed. When I've mentioned it they've tried to argue with
me. This argument I'm going to win, whether Schneider likes it or not.
Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan
You claimed you never got this mysterious "4 point evaluation", then claim
you got a "5 point evaluation" - well, which is it? Did you or did you not
get your so-called "X" evaluation? And if you did, I'd be curious to see
documentation of it, since I've never heard of this evaluation you speak of.
It's very obvious you couldn't drive, and when you failed, you've tried
placing the blame on someone else. I would LOVE to see how this ends up. 10
will get you 20 it will not be the results you seem to think you'll get.
Your name isn't Fred, by any chance, is it?
gpsman
> This argument I'm going to win, whether Schneider likes it or not.
Yeah, right. Gonna handle the suit yourself, I imagine...
-----
- gpsman
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
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> instructor wrote: <brevity snip>
>> This argument I'm going to win, whether Schneider likes it or not.
>
> Yeah, right. Gonna handle the suit yourself, I imagine...
I recommend Richard Bullis as council for the plaintiff.
> -----
>
> - gpsman
>
instructor
"Yeah, right. Gonna handle the suit yourself, I imagine..."
Not really, because the state can handle this scam. This is a no
brainer, when I provide them with the facts as evidence.
gpsman
I'll bet they're sitting on the edge of their chairs as you explain:
"Simply in plain english, they'll fail them, by saying that the course
is too fast & he can't keep up, or he's making too many mistakes. They
do this by documentation..."
"Schneider may have the right to fail you for driving, but you also
have the right for training."
"Who is likely to be eliminated ? Anyone actually whom they figure is
risky or may be costly for insurance..."
"They figure that it's their option to select those whom they want. I
say they're all wet, technically & legally."
"Some of the stuff they teach you are ridiculous & experienced truckers
don't do it that way. Give you an example on map reading & trip
planning & I'm not going into double clutching."
"They'll tell you don't use the cell phone & don't trust GPS. They're
not only backwards & ridiculous but plain stupid."
"I.M.O. regarding attitudes, some instructors at Schneider could not
even pass a simple psychological evaluation test."
"Truckers get their directions on the radio."
"When Schneider charge you $321 daily for open book classroom training,
you're being scammed."
"Most of the training you get, you can do at home in your spare time
for free."
"The manager decided early on, that it's not worth training me."
--
Let us know how it all works out. Scan your documents and post 'em if
you're going to claim success.
-----
- gpsman
instructor
you got screwed by Schneider or by any training school. Both your state
& the FTC has some jurisdiction over the training schools. This case
will be assigned to someone & it takes time. I can also take them to
small claims, but there's no need to rush, so I was told. This is good
for 5 yrs. I let the state talk to them first. This is the way to to
go & I'm laying down the roadmap. IMO, Everyone gets a 5 point
evaluation.
Lead Driver
You still haven't shown what this mysterious evaluation is - since it's not
something Schneider uses at their academy.
>
instructor
> You still haven't shown what this mysterious evaluation is - since it's not
> something Schneider uses at their academy.
I have no clue what it is & it wasn't me who started it on this topic.
I believe they use an evaluation, since my instructor mentioned it, but
did not elaborate on it. I like to know what it is. My feeling is they
can fail anyone they want to. In my case it was the age. There was very
little communication. How can you teach, if you don't tell the student
what he needs to practice ? To me that's a crude joke.
Their idea is, you do it on your own, because we're not going to help.
You've signed a contract & we got you in the bag. We've met our quota &
you're excess, when it comes to practice driving.. You can sit in the
classroom & pay $321 daily for our bull shit.
Failing doesn't stop there. You'll be entered in a national database as
a failure. This is why I'm fighting the bastards & I'll not stop at
round one.
Lead Driver
A national database as a failure? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds,
not to mention the fact that it's not true? Tinfoil hat, anyone?
As for your age - that's utter nonsense. I've seen many people in their
older years down in Carlisle geting their training, and they were doing
well. I still submit you could not drive, and flat out failed. The 2 weeks
on the course is basically to get you started, to teach you the basics -
reasonably simple stuff. After those 2 weeks, you would go out with a TE
(training engineer) to get practical experience, and a lot more driving. Are
their people that can't make it that far? Of course. On something like a
class of 35 students, 20 complete the 1st part of the training in 2 weeks
and continue on. What happened to the others? A variety of reasons, but some
of them just don't have the ability to actually drive a truck, for whatever
reason. Others just don't like the fact that they have to spend "so much
time" training, and assumed they'd be handed keys to their own truck on week
one.Your assertion that Schneider meets a "quota", and decides to kick the
rest out is (dare I say), absolutly silly. The average class day is 1/2 day
in classroom, 1/2 day at and in the truck. Not every day, but the majority.
Other people were able to do it - you couldn't hack it - face the facts and
stop embarassing yourself.
Gashauler
"Lead Driver" <rogerw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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want and who they don't want. If the company is in a state that can fire you
without cause then there's no recourse what-so-ever. But I think a company
that has that much money in equipment should be allowed who can drive it. I
know this guy instructor wouldn't get past our front door.
instructor
> A national database as a failure? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds,
> not to mention the fact that it's not true? Tinfoil hat, anyone?
After I've been turned down on job applications without any
explanation, I've called Schneider, what's the story. Sure enough
they've confirmed, that you are placed in a national database open to
employers. This will say that you've either failed or quit in their
Academy. The jobs I've applied would've given me free training for my
Class A.
I can only talk about my experience & my obserevations. They did not
want me & it had very little to do with my driving ability. The
documents they got amounts to a pile of shit. I did not even get equal
practice time & I can prove it.
Lead Driver
Then prove it. E-mail me privately if you wish, and show me your
documentation. I will give you an honest assesment, based on what their
'normal' training is, and what your documentation is. And trust me, I know
what 'normal' training is.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
Unless Fuckwit Bob did something -so- bad the DAC'd him...?
-National Database-...?
--
Popeye
It was when Lucifer first congratulated
himself upon his angelic behavior that he
became the tool of evil. -Hammarskjöld
www.finalprotectivefire.com
RRflagg
exactly what they claim you will be paying for it. Go to a publicly funded
school or a reputable private school. Even the worst of those is usually
better than the training you will get from the trucking company mills.
realitytrucker
That was my thought. I don't think DAC would list you if you failed
training. It's usually after you've already started driving for a
particular company and fucked up. i.e. accident, truck abandonment,
tickets etc.
I'd like to know more about this "National database" he keeps babbling
about.
realitytrucker
I disagree. There are some pretty shady CDL mills out there who'll
give you a certificate as soon as your check clears the bank regardless
of whether you can drive or not.
I worked for Schneider and, although I didn't attend their academy,
from what I observed it was a pretty well run training school.
instructor
"On top of that, I sure would hope a company has the power to keep who
they want and who they don't want. If the company is in a state that
can fire you
without cause then there's no recourse what-so-ever. But I think a
company that has that much money in equipment should be allowed who can
drive it. I
know this guy instructor wouldn't get past our front door. "
Dude, you're obviously confused. I did not fail anything & I wasn't
offered any job. You can't fail somebody for driving, if you don't give
him the practice time, or you don't allow him to complete the course.
There was no final exam. Schneider simply decided not to train me &
defaulted on the contract. They have told me very early as a matter of
fact, that they will not help me with driving. Now if you don't
understand it, than pull off the road & get some rest.
Don't overestimate your accomplishment, because you can easily be
replaced by a chicano or automation. You see, the baby boomers at
least done something in their lives & have life experience. I've
preceded the baby boomers & it's very unlikely that you had anyone like
me in your class. Why would I email a dumbell documentation ? Normal
training is what the FTC determined to be normal, & it is 44 hours of
driving practice.
" I don't get why people can't understand that "free" training is worth
exactly what they claim you will be paying for it. Go to a publicly
funded
school or a reputable private school. Even the worst of those is
usually better than the training you will get from the trucking company
mills."
First of all Schneider training isn't free, in fact you're charged I
believe $4,500 for 2 weeks. Your chance of graduation is probably 85%,
like they claim. Your chance of employment with them is equally good.
You will get your 44 hours of practice & plus. I would say Schneider
training compared to all others is top notch. When they screw you
you need not to pay them for the loan.
Gashauler
Maybe you went in there with the same attitude that you displayed here.
Gashauler
Yea, I'm conviced that you went in there with that attitude. You wouldn't
touch any of our equipment either and you would waste any of our time.
Know-it -alls don't belong behind the wheel of a truck. Find a different
occupation.
Lead Driver
> "Lead Driver"
>
> "On top of that, I sure would hope a company has the power to keep who
> they want and who they don't want. If the company is in a state that
> can fire you
> without cause then there's no recourse what-so-ever. But I think a
> company that has that much money in equipment should be allowed who can
> drive it. I
> know this guy instructor wouldn't get past our front door. "
>
> Dude, you're obviously confused. I did not fail anything & I wasn't
> offered any job. You can't fail somebody for driving, if you don't give
> him the practice time, or you don't allow him to complete the course.
> There was no final exam. Schneider simply decided not to train me &
> defaulted on the contract.
You still have provided no documetation pertaining to this fact.
> They have told me very early as a matter of
> fact, that they will not help me with driving. Now if you don't
> understand it, than pull off the road & get some rest.
Again - documentation? A name, perhaps? What OC did you fail your training
at?
>
> Don't overestimate your accomplishment, because you can easily be
> replaced by a chicano or automation. You see, the baby boomers at
> least done something in their lives & have life experience.
And what is your point? Just how old do you think I am?
> I've preceded the baby boomers & it's very unlikely that you had anyone
> like me in your class.
What class? I am not an instructor at any of the OCs. I have, however, seen
my share of people in your approximate age group (you seem proud of your
age, but unwilling to mention what it is), going through their training, and
there seemed to be 2 personalities - those looking for something new and
approaching things with a willingess to learn, and those who seem to think
that half the stuff taught is crap and not worth listening to, since they've
'been around', and think it isn't needed, because (in their mind) 'real'
truck drivers don't do this or that. I think it's obvious what category you
seem to fall into.
> Why would I email a dumbell documentation ?
I don't know about a dumbell, since I asked you to e-mail me documentation.
Your attitude really says a lot about you, and judging from your know-it-all
stance, it's no surprise you are trying to blame someone else for your
shortfalls. Now, why would you e-mail documentation? To further your point,
perhaps? I was actually willing to give you an honest assessment of your
claim. Don't send it - no skin off of my nose, I have nothing to lose nor
gain by offering any input, just trying to be helpful. Anything sent would
not have been shared with anyone else. However, genious, ever think that it
would be beneficial to have a contact that knows about the actual workings
and would be willing to assist you if your claim was legitimate?
> Normal training is what the FTC determined to be normal, & it is 44 hours
> of driving practice.
The FTC has nothing to do with it. But, since you have determined that 44
hours is "normal", after the initial 4 weeks, more than 44 hours of driving
is met. You seem to think that their training is only 2 weeks, but that is
not the case. It also entails, for those that can actually hack it, 2 weeks
of practical driving with a training engineer. After that, there is a final
skills test, and THEN the training is complete.
Zeke
>
> Dude, you're obviously confused. I did not fail anything & I wasn't
> offered any job. You can't fail somebody for driving, if you don't give
> him the practice time, or you don't allow him to complete the course.
> There was no final exam. Schneider simply decided not to train me &
> defaulted on the contract. They have told me very early as a matter of
> fact, that they will not help me with driving. Now if you don't
> understand it, than pull off the road & get some rest.
>
All that aside, from what I have read they simply observed your abysmal
attitude and let you go because they didn't want to waste any more of their
time and yours...
instructor
Zeke wrote:
> All that aside, from what I have read they simply observed your abysmal
> attitude and let you go because they didn't want to waste any more of their
> time and yours...
Dude, you don't get it. When they eliminate you, it's always by
documentation for driving & not for attitudes. All that aside they are
full of shit, because they're bound by the contract to teach you. The
fact is the FTC brought lawsuits against truck driver training schools
& established minimum standards. There's no need for documentation
because this info. is available to the public. Do a little googling on
truck driver training scams.
Lead Driver
Lead Driver
>
> Zeke wrote:
>
>> All that aside, from what I have read they simply observed your abysmal
>> attitude and let you go because they didn't want to waste any more of
>> their
>> time and yours...
>
> Dude, you don't get it. When they eliminate you, it's always by
> documentation for driving & not for attitudes.
Always? A know it all attitude, and an inability to actually listen and
learn basic classroom teachings paints you as a potential hazard behind the
wheel. You most CERTAINLY can be failed before getting behind the wheel, YOU
are the one who does not get it, sir.
> All that aside they are
> full of shit, because they're bound by the contract to teach you.
And when you show an unwillingness to actually learn BEFORE getting behind
the wheel, they are more than allowed to not proceed with the training. You
are a potential menace behind the wheel of a tractor-trailer, given the
attitude you present. You may trump me on age, but your maturity seems to be
seriously lacking, sir.
> The fact is the FTC brought lawsuits against truck driver training
> schools
> & established minimum standards.
Schneider meets those standards - I submit you did not fulfill your
obligation by having a negative "I don't need to learn this" attitude in
response to your classroom training. Those, sir, are allegations based
strictly on your personal statements as presented earlier in this thread.
> There's no need for documentation
There most certainly is, if you even think you have a chance to win this
suit.
> because this info. is available to the public. Do a little googling on
> truck driver training scams.
I did, and much to may amazement, Schneider wasn't included in the first 4
pages of results I saw. What does this tell you, mr know it all?
>
instructor
anything in the classroom.
Schneider will have a complaint from me. Take that to the bank.
Zeke
> Dude, you're ignorant. You don't even know how to read. I did not fail
> anything in the classroom.
> Schneider will have a complaint from me. Take that to the bank.
>
Weve had other posters here that would argue their point to hell and back.
Technically you may be correct, but in the real world things don't always
work that way. Get a grip on reality...dude.
Peterbuilt
"Zeke" <do...@spam.me> wrote in message
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Don't you mean the "newsgroup" world?
A world where my parents are alive, I'm 14, take photos from my parents
mobile home and whatever else Dave Ruff has given me in his and his fellow
troll's newsgroup world.
---
As for the original poster. I don't have to warn you about how thick the
trolls are on this newsgroup. Just take a look at how they attack Richard
and then attack anybody they falsly accuse of defending Richard.
Thread in point:
Mahatma Kanejeeves
either couldn't handle driving a truck or came in with an "I know all I
need to know" attitude and refused to listen to the instructors. You
sound very much like the latter.
Gashauler
"Mahatma Kanejeeves" <maddog...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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I think I would thank Schneider for having the insight to rid the problem
before it's a hazard. Some of these so called schools just pass these types
of drivers through and then what happens. The industry has the know-it-all
driver that can't understand why he can't keep a job and gets tickets. Or
has problems with people all the time. Those are the people we give the
title of steering wheel holders, rookies, or wannabes.
instructor
Dear Asa:
I've recently taken a truck driver training course, because I've
red that there's a shortage of drivers & they even take older folks.
Schneider Trucking was endorsed by AARP.
I'm older & figured that I've a good chance with them, since I got
all my points & had no accidents & had all my permits for class a CDL.
The recruiter assured me, that their graduation rate is 85% at the
Academy.
He forgot to factor in that attendance for folks at my age is rare. I
was the oldest in my class without prior truck driver experience. After
my second day of driving I was told that I'm 4 days behind & they
can't help me, because this is a fast moving course. The fact is we
spent more time in the classroom than driving.
I haven't failed anything in the classroom. Frankly it wasn't
rocket science, but they charge $321 daily for the instruction. Yes
they pay $25/daily to Ramada inn for your room & breakfast & that's
included. However this was not university education at Harvard. I've
learned map reading & trip planning when I was a boyscout.
I could understand if they told me, you're doing certain things wrong
& we'll work with you. That's not what happened. The manager asked
me what is my problem & what did I expect from the Academy. Naturally
he knew all the answers, since he reads the reports & knows what is
expected from the Academy.
Now if he didn't know the answers, than it was either dereliction of
duty or state of denial. Denial is not some river in Africa.
After I've noted in my daily logbook the facts, & I believe after the
manager became aware of it, he made sure that I get failed for driving.
Now they want to charge me $321/daily for the attendance. Yes my note
in the daily logbook clearly stated that I wasn't getting equal
practice time for driving. Now if this is not a scam, than I'm
stumped.
Thank you for checking this out & if you need further assistance, just
let me know. This will help lot's of drivers whom were eliminated in
the training process anywhere. They do not owe a dime to Schneider or
anyone & they can read about it on the trucking forum. The internet is
wonderful & enlightening.
Gashauler
You're right I'm sure that the Boyscouts taught you all the trip planning
and atlas reading you'll even need to know for trucks. I'm sure you could
have skipped that class since you had a badge for truck planning. I'm sure
the Boyscouts also taught you that age is everything in life and when any
situation does not go your way you need to use that card. That's the age
badge right? Maybe you were 4 days behind because they did not allow for the
age difference and should have known you'd be slower. Those bastards.
You're right again it isn't rocket science and you had a badge for that so
you should have been ahead in class or skip that one too. $321 a day is
outrageous for someone with your skills. Hell they should have tapped into
your knowledge and maybe you could have taught some classes. Asking you what
is your problem could not be taken as you having a problem. Your problem is
you should have been advanced in traning beause you already had the boyscout
thing. Of course since what you say is facts because all boyscout are
trustworthy how could they not believe you logbook?
I don't agree with the driving time. You should have been advanced past that
one too since you already had a perfect record and a class A CDL. What were
they thinking? It is a scam alright. Every boyscout old person should be
right at the head of the class and no need to demonstrate any driving skills
or good attitude since you've already had all of that. I just don't
understand why they didn't just roll up a new 2007 model tractor and say go
to work. You won't need any more training and you're ready to solo since
you've got all the necessary boyscout badges.
instructor
tests, like everyone else. Anyone who needed help would get it. I did
not need any help. This was material that anyone with average
intelligence could do at home in his spare time & pass.
Driving was another story. I would not get any help even if I needed
it. The fact is they wouldn't even discuss with me the problems. Their
attitude was, we can't help you, it's all up to you. How could it be
all up to me, if I didn't even know the problem ? The possible
explanation is, if you know what you suppose to know, than they can't
fail you.
The only difference I found in the boyscout training, that at least
they thought me how to use the magnet. Are you a Schneider Academy
graduate ? Do you know the difference between your magnetic north &
true north, or slack adjuster & claims adjuster ?
Gashauler
Yes Sir I do know the difference in magnetic north and true north. I hope I
would after 20 years in th U.S. Navy. Do you know the difference in cry baby
and new baby? You have no case. You have no knowledge of trucks and the
companies. You have a losing battle that will only drain your funds. Go on
to something you might be good at. Like a tour guide or boyscout leader. I
didn't know the boyscouts did their training in thought. I was always taught
when I went to any school.
instructor
>You have no case. You have no knowledge of trucks and the
> companies. You have a losing battle that will only drain your funds.
I disagree. I've a very good case & it doesn't cost me a dime. I've got
a technical background. Do you know the difference between the steering
wheel & the fifth wheel ?
Gashauler
You just an idiot that's an old blow hard with no knowledge.
instructor
" Yes Sir I do know the difference in magnetic north and true north. I
hope I
would after 20 years in th U.S. Navy. Do you know the difference in cry
baby
and new baby?"
Yes Sir, you're an idiot, salute & execute. That's what the Navy made
out of you in 20 years. I don't know what the rest of the idiots did,
before they've joined Schneider, but I'm posting to real people here &
not just the companymen & elephant drivers.
A cry baby always blame others for his problems & doesn't have the
facts to support him. The real man on the other hand, knows when he's
got a problem & why he's got the problem. He's got the facts on his
side, just like me. He's not deterred by idiots.
Gashauler
Now you insult The U.S. Navy. People are laughing at you simply because you
have nothing to back you up. We're required (by your thinking) to believe
everything you say without proof just because you say so. The posters
started out being polite to you asking for some type of proof in your
claims. But you just went on and on about how you were denied training based
on a scam that didn't make any sense or didn't support your claim. The one
and only statement I'll agree on and I'm sure there are others is your
statement "A cry baby always blame others for his problems & doesn't have
the facts to support him". This fits you well. You're the type of person
that will argue just for the sake of wanting to be right. It doesn't matter
if your wrong or not you will have to have the last word. It's very clear to
the other posters here that you're very hard headed and will go to extreme
lengths just to prove a point. And no matter how many people tell you you're
wrong you'll still go after it. This is the type of person that is the last
person this country needs on the road behind the wheel of a truck. I thank
God that Schneider had the insight to rid you before they invested any real
money into a lost cause. This will be my last post to you since it's
non-productive so go ahead and get your last word in. BTW I don't work for
Schneider but I sure wouldn't have a problem passing their school at any
age.
Lead Driver
> Dude, you're ignorant. You don't even know how to read. I did not fail
> anything in the classroom.
> Schneider will have a complaint from me. Take that to the bank.
I submit you do not know how to properly put your point in writing. You,
sir, talk in circles. You claim you didn't fail for driving, you claim you
didn't fail in the classroom. What exactly did you fail, aside from an IQ
exam? Again - what type of documentation do you have?
I feel I've brought up many valid points, yet you refuse to respond to any
of them, aside from generic name calling that really doesn't address the
questions put to you.
realitytrucker
As was said, please let us know how this turns out. With that said I
know we'll never hear about it. Your ego won't let you come back and
post to this board that you lost your little lawsuit. And thats what
will happen.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
"Instructor"(of -what-?) is an obvious windbag that was bounced out of
class for generic stupidity and a palpable attitude problem.
instructor
it'll take time. You did not get documentation, since you're not
representing me, obviously. You would just screw up the case. Yes the
military does turn out some dummies, just like Schneider. The longer
you stay with them, the higher your chances are. Now if the shoe don't
fit you, don't wear it but don't stay with them 20 years.
Schneider has the general idea, that they don't have to teach how to
drive anyone, especially those whom they don't want. It's up to them to
learn. I strongly reject their philosophy & I'll not pay for
dereliction of duty. I don't owe them anything, in fact when all is
said & done, they may owe me, because they've wasted my time & money.
Top
> military does turn out some dummies, just like Schneider. The longer you
> stay with them, the higher your chances are. Now if the shoe don't fit
> you, don't wear it but don't stay with them 20 years.
>
>
You're painting with a wide brush Instructor. BTW, what did you instruct?
Top
--
The budget should be balanced, the treasury refilled, public
debt reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and
controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands curtailed,
lest Rome become bankrupt. -Quintus Tullius Cicero
Zeke
> Schneider is the 900 pound guerilla in the trucking industry, which is
> 85% small business owned. They like to wrap themselves in the flag,
> just like the neocons & their leader with his 98 I.Q. They like small
> business allright, like Walmart & Schneider. According to Open Road XM
> Trucking Radio, Schneider reps. testified to a friendly special
> commitee of congress, where they've asked to increase the Visa program
> for Mexican drivers. You know what that's going to do to wages.
>
This k00k sounds similar to the other k00k troll here. Don't know for sure
if this is Rocktard, but he has the same fucked up mentality.
Night Rogue
"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
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Maybe he/she couldn't learn how to set the parking brakes????
Gashauler
"Top" <t...@invalid.neo.com> wrote in message
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>>
> You're painting with a wide brush Instructor. BTW, what did you instruct?
>
> Top
Top you're wasting your time. This know-it-all idiot is now going to tell us
about the military. He couldn't even pass orientation at Schneider and now
he's making comments about the military??????? But of course he knows
because the boyscouts taught him. He's an instructor of pity.
Gashauler
"Zeke" <do...@spam.me> wrote in message news:453ba...@newsfeed.slurp.net...
they wouldn't recognize a fake CDL.
gpsman
> Schneider has the general idea, that they don't have to teach how to
> drive anyone, especially those whom they don't want. It's up to them to
> learn.
Yes, it works exactly like college. You pay tuition and they present
the material. It's up to you to learn, they have no obligation to
ensure you learn.
If you are not progressing as fast as the other students and they
determine you are not likely to pass the CDL test, or if you do pass
the test you would not make a good driver or one that they would
employ, they are well within their rights to terminate your education
at any point.
> I strongly reject their philosophy & I'll not pay for
> dereliction of duty. I don't owe them anything, in fact when all is
> said & done, they may owe me, because they've wasted my time & money.
Only recently have you mentioned the loss of any tuition. They may be
within their agreement with you to refuse a refund, but what are the
particulars? What does your contract say?
I would have to agree that if they found you unfit within a few days
you -should- be reimbursed the full amount. They may not legally be
required to do so but any sense of morality would dictate a full refund
and a handshake.
-----
- gpsman
instructor
"Yes, it works exactly like college. You pay tuition and they present
the material. It's up to you to learn, they have no obligation to
ensure you learn."
Yeah, but I didn't fail anything & it's not college. If the insurance
rate would be high for the company, because you're an old untested
driver, than they're going to ELIMINATE you by documentation. You'll
not take a final exam & they don't wait for you, to argue age
discrimination, because they've deniad you employment. Yes that would
be a valid argument, regardless of the contract. They want to be one
step ahead of you. You need to know how their mind works.
Schneider didn't get to be the 900 # gorilla by morality. They like to
present themselves as the champion of seniors. When you get to
retirement age or beyond, I guarantee you'll have problems with them in
training. It doesn't matter even if you had previous training or
experience from them. The older people who drive for them are not new
babies.
Lead Driver
Wrong, sir. There have been plenty of seniors I've seen in their school, and
they are as unexperienced as you present yourself. They've passed (the
majority of them), and are going on to successful careers. I'll take you up
on your "guarantee". The bulk of these seniors are actually looked fawrd
to, as they tend to have a positive attitude, and a willingness to actually
LEARN something. A lot of the trainers enjoy these seniors, as opposed to a
younger (20-something), BECAUSE they tend to havea positive attitude and
generally good ability to drive. Please stop embarassing yourself. Remember,
the problem with painting with a broad brush, is you usually end up getting
some on yourself. But, please, by all means, keep us updated, I'm finding
this very interesting.
Joyce
ROCOR,,,,,there were a few others
who pulled scams..
if you wanted to work for them and purchase a truck, you paid dearly
because
they worked you to death, took your money, and when you were getting
near
the end of owing them money for the
truck,,,they slowed you down, to a stand
still,,,,OOIDA and other trucking companies got on their cases,
ROCOR was finally put out of business
from all the scams they pulled,
They also held classes you had to go
to, so you were put up in a motel,,
and got one meal, and sat in a classroom
and then got real training,four or five
people would sit in the back of the rig,
and one would sit in the driver seat and
the instructor would sit in the other,
You all got about 25 minutes of actual
diving...and even if you knew how to
drive, and you were suppsedly buying
a rig, and working for them you had
to take the classes,,,they got closed
down finally with a few other companies.
The best part was when you were getting
to the end of the loan on the truck, you
got less work, so you had to give the truck
up so you lost out completely..
It too OOIDA some time to legally
get them out of business...
anyone looking to purchase and work
for a trucking company, before you sign
on the dotted line, get them investigated.
you would be saving yourself a lot of
money, and your credit rating....
joyce
Zeke
"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> cried in message
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>
>
> Yeah, but I didn't fail anything & it's not college. If the insurance
> rate would be high for the company, because you're an old untested
> driver, than they're going to ELIMINATE you by documentation. You'll
> not take a final exam & they don't wait for you, to argue age
> discrimination, because they've deniad you employment. Yes that would
> be a valid argument, regardless of the contract. They want to be one
> step ahead of you. You need to know how their mind works.
>
> Schneider didn't get to be the 900 # gorilla by morality. They like to
> present themselves as the champion of seniors. When you get to
> retirement age or beyond, I guarantee you'll have problems with them in
> training. It doesn't matter even if you had previous training or
> experience from them. The older people who drive for them are not new
> babies.
>
Just accept that you don't have what it takes to drive a big truck and move
on. Why don't you see if you can go join this guy for instance:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13548405,00.html
instructor
Zeke wrote:
> "instructor bla, bla, bla..."
Dude, speak for yourself & post your own picture. You don't know the
difference between the steering wheel & the fifth wheel. You shouldn't
even be on this forum.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
At least he didn't get kicked to the curb by the Great Pumpkin.
--
Popeye
It was when Lucifer first congratulated
himself upon his angelic behavior that he
became the tool of evil. -Hammarskjöld
www.finalprotectivefire.com
Top
> "instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
> news:1161699682.4...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Zeke wrote:
>>> "instructor bla, bla, bla..."
>>
>> Dude, speak for yourself & post your own picture. You don't know the
>> difference between the steering wheel & the fifth wheel. You shouldn't
>> even be on this forum.
>
>
> At least he didn't get kicked to the curb by the Great Pumpkin.
I'm beginning to think instructor dude is not who he wants us to think he
is.
Top
--
Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate; now what's going to happen to us with both a Senate and a House?
-Will Rogers
Lead Driver
"Top" <t...@invalidtop.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.24....@invalidtop.neo.rr.com...
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:15:27 -0400, Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>
>> "instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161699682.4...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Zeke wrote:
>>>> "instructor bla, bla, bla..."
>>>
>>> Dude, speak for yourself & post your own picture. You don't know the
>>> difference between the steering wheel & the fifth wheel. You shouldn't
>>> even be on this forum.
>>
>>
>> At least he didn't get kicked to the curb by the Great Pumpkin.
>
> I'm beginning to think instructor dude is not who he wants us to think he
> is.
>
> Top
>
What's even more frightening is if he IS who he claims to be, and someone
else is dumb enough to put him behind the wheel of a truck.
instructor
When it comes down to make a choice between business & morality, big
business will always choose business.
All I ever needed to know in life, I've learned in the boyscouts.
Life Instructor
Gashauler
Lead Driver
"Life Instructor"? Puh-leez.
Jeremy Clayton
--
Clinton PSE
Jeremy Clayton
"Gashauler" <sword...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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instructor
> Dude Just shut up and admit that you don't have the brains to drive truck
Dude you're obvously confused, because no brain is needed to drive a
truck. Your days are numbered, by you know whom & automation.
realitytrucker
instructor wrote:
> Jeremy Clayton wrote:
> > Dude Just shut up and admit that you don't have the brains to drive truck
>
> Dude you're obvously confused, because no brain is needed to drive a
> truck.
Coming from one who has never driven a truck and flunked out of driving
school THAT is hilarious!
>Your days are numbered, by you know whom & automation.<
No, we don't "know whom"? Care to enlighten us? As for
automation...perhaps one day but It won't happen in my lifetime and
probably not in my children's lifetime either.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
You need to stay off the SciFi channel, dude.
You have a precarious enough grip on reality as it is.
gringo
> Schneider is the 900 pound guerilla in the trucking industry, which is
> 85% small business owned. They like to wrap themselves in the flag,
> just like the neocons & their leader with his 98 I.Q. They like small
> business allright, like Walmart & Schneider. According to Open Road XM
> Trucking Radio, Schneider reps. testified to a friendly special
> commitee of congress, where they've asked to increase the Visa program
> for Mexican drivers. You know what that's going to do to wages.
>
>
> While lots of trucking firms have stopped their training programs,
> because of high insurance costs of untested new drivers, Schneider did
> not. They'll take anyone with good driving record, but minimize their
> risk by early elimination.
>
> Simply in plain english, they'll fail them, by saying that the course
> is too fast & he can't keep up, or he's making too many mistakes. They
> do this by documentation which I call elimination. What do they care,
> they got plenty of applicants.
>
> Two instructors are sent out by the candidate & they'll compare notes.
> The notes will agree, because they've agreed before they've started.
> Who is likely to be eliminated ? Anyone actually whom they figure is
> risky or may be costly for insurance, such as an older driver. Yes they
> use seniors in training videos, most likely actors. They've an AARP
> endorsement on their site, but there's a disclaimer from AARP if you
> want to contact them. This is reality in a nutshell.
>
> If Schneider really wants to help, than students should be informed
> regularly from the start what they're doing wrong & what they should be
> doing or work on. This will not happen, because it would interfere with
> their elimination process. They figure that it's their option to select
> those whom they want. I say they're all wet, technically & legally.
>
> The Schneider legal game:
>
> Schneider will have the contract from one state, the loan from another
> & the Academy outside of one's home state & they'll lease their trucks.
> They owe all these entities, which they use ins a legal game as
> roadblocks.
>
> They are in denial, because they suppose to teach you how to drive &
> not to difer risks associated by lack of training.
schneider does have the best driving school available. However, no
in-school training can make up for the lack of experience OTR--and, my
friend, only OTR experience can give you OTR experience. The most
dangerous trucker on the road is not the raw rookie, however; it's the
one with 18 months to three years experience who has become convinced
that now he knows everything he needs to know.
> Applicants are told
> by recruiters that the graduation rate is 85% in the Schneider Academy.
> This may be true, but it's not true to those whom were eliminated. I
> recommend them to contact their state consumer complaint agency &
> report to the better business bureau this scam. Remember you're good
> for 5 yrs. with a lawsuit. It's good to know because the moron did put
> his own people in key positions.
>
> The Schneider Academy will give minimum driver training in the first 2
> weeks. They use this time to teach in classroom the company procedures,
> loging time, commonly used in the industry, pre trip & post trip
> inspections, Sim class, where they try to scare you before elimination,
> map reading & trip planning. Some of the stuff they teach you are
> ridiculous & experienced truckers don't do it that way. Give you an
> example on map reading & trip planning & I'm not going into double
> clutching.
>
> They'll tell you don't use the cell phone & don't trust GPS. They're
> not only backwards & ridiculous but plain stupid. GPS is accurate
> within 5-10 feet & the military is using it. GPS will not pick up the
> latest Walmart & associated road construction, but neither is the map
> they give you. This has to be filed & recorded first, before it appears
> on the map.
>
> Anyone with a mobile phone & the right plan today can get step by step
> directions from where he's at to where he wants to go within minutes.
> This is not rocket science, but they will tell you that you may get
> lost & they just can't take the risk with you.
>
I agree with most of what you've said. But GPS and mapping software
won't give you low bridges, road truck restrictions, newly cut streets,
etc. That's what they're referring to.
Two of my stepdaughters, a stepson and a son in law all graduated
Schneider's school; only one of the four actually went to work driving
for the orange goose; and all are driving a truck today. After
receiving the cdls and diplomas, they simply told schneider they
"couldn't handle the job" and were going home to work in a walmart.
Schneider said oh well, and wished them luck. Two weeks later they went
to work driving elsewhere, and they've never paid schneider a penny
above that initial up-front cost, and schneider has never demanded any
reimbursement.
> This is really stupid, especially coming from the Academy Manager. Yes
> you may check the map for bridge capacity or height requirements for
> overpass. P.S. truckers have special software for that too.
>
that special software is too damned expensive an alternative to looking
in the truckers' paper atlas.
> This Qualcom which Schneider bought years ago today is nothing more
> than a crack of shit. Yes technology changes, but they don't admit to
> it. Today it's voice to text & text to voice & not macros by Qualcom
> off the road.
>
Sorry, you're wrong about this too. Satellite pc is unfeasible and too
uncontrollable. QC and other such macro systems work fine.
--
*fas-cism* (fash'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.
-- The American Heritage Dictionary
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is...I think it's also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn."
------George W. Bush to the Houston Chronicle, April 9th, 1999
gringo
Before you attempt proper, formal grammar, you should learn what it is.
The proper term is "you know who." For those of us to whom (notice the
correct usage of "whom" after a preposition) grammar school is a distant
memory, a little basic English review is needed. A nominative pronoun
acts as a subject of a verb (Who ate the cake?) or as the subject of a
linked verb (Did you see who ate the cake?). A direct object, on the
other hand, is the object of a verb (Whom did you call?) or a
preposition (He is the person to whom I placed the call).
As to the automation thing, your "dumb trucker" allusion. Son, trucking
is certainly not rocket science. It does, however, require a huge
dosage of commonsense, along with scads of practical experience in the
ways of stupid 4 wheelers and wheels on black ice. Engineers and
scientists fresh out of school first have to get OTJ experience; fresh
out of school MDs have to serve a long apprenticeship under the watchful
eyes of nurses and supervising EXPERIENCED doctors. I suspect that your
attention span is too short for trucking.
Attention wanders when making a long drive; that is a fact of human
life. Through long experience, truckers develop the ability to think
other things with a portion of their brains while the relevant portion
of brain and limbs continues to watch out for scatterbrained,
distracted, inexperienced 4-wheelers such as yourself.
Sorry that you failed the course. If you're serious about going into
trucking, you won't let Schneider stop you: you'll find another school,
and this time graduate. Some take to driving a truck like a
transmogrifying tadpole takes to his new lungs; others do not, in fact,
some never do learn the necessary skills. If you do go on to become a
trucker, please do so with a sense of humility. One has to learn
driving with his hands and feet--situations develop too quickly for
conscious decision process--one does not have enough time to think out a
plan of action: the body must react while the mind is still considering
alternatives. good luck to you, friend. Have a good life.
Rocky
"gringo" <gri...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> Before you attempt proper, formal grammar, you should learn what it is.
> The proper term is "you know who." For those of us to whom (notice the
> correct usage of "whom" after a preposition) grammar school is a distant
> memory, a little basic English review is needed. A nominative pronoun
> acts as a subject of a verb (Who ate the cake?) or as the subject of a
> linked verb (Did you see who ate the cake?). A direct object, on the
> other hand, is the object of a verb (Whom did you call?) or a
> preposition (He is the person to whom I placed the call).
Thanks Gringo. Now I plan to learn more about Subordinate clauses from:
http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000010.htm
ken
> Thanks Gringo. Now I plan to learn more about Subordinate clauses from:
> http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000010.htm
>
gee i thought subordinate clauses were the north pole elves...
instructor
O.K. junior, so what ? I'm not an english major.
"I agree with most of what you've said. But GPS and mapping software
won't give you low bridges, road truck restrictions, newly cut streets,
etc. That's what they're referring to."
"Sorry, you're wrong about this too. Satellite pc is unfeasible and
too
uncontrollable. QC and other such macro systems work fine."
What they're referring to is nothing more than their ignorance. You
don't have to be lost on the road, & you don't need internet connection
for GPS. There are no monthly fees for GPS & the software is
affordable. You always have to do a reality check with any map.
"Two of my stepdaughters, a stepson and a son in law all graduated
Schneider's school; only one of the four actually went to work driving
for the orange goose; bla, bla, bla..."
What's that got to do with me junior ? Schneider defaulted on the
training contract. Schneider is recruiting applicants to train as
company drivers. They can choose anyone they want to work for them, but
they have to train all the applicants. They can't fail you for driving
& tell you to go somewhere else for your training & send you the bill.
Documentation is not a substitute for final exam. Final exam comes
after completing the course.
Driving doesn't require brains, but it doesn't mean that all drivers
have to be stupid. G.W.B is stupid, & he doesn't drive a truck. He was
a lousy pilot & a deserter & now he's a lousy president.