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The Schneider Scam

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instructor

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Oct 7, 2006, 10:46:35 AM10/7/06
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Schneider is the 900 pound guerilla in the trucking industry, which is
85% small business owned. They like to wrap themselves in the flag,
just like the neocons & their leader with his 98 I.Q. They like small
business allright, like Walmart & Schneider. According to Open Road XM
Trucking Radio, Schneider reps. testified to a friendly special
commitee of congress, where they've asked to increase the Visa program
for Mexican drivers. You know what that's going to do to wages.

Who is likely to be eliminated (AARP) ?

While lots of trucking firms have stopped their training programs,
because of high insurance costs of untested new drivers, Schneider did
not. They'll take anyone with good driving record, but minimize their
risk by early elimination.

Simply in plain english, they'll fail them, by saying that the course
is too fast & he can't keep up, or he's making too many mistakes. They
do this by documentation which I call elimination. What do they care,
they got plenty of applicants.

Two instructors are sent out by the candidate & they'll compare notes.
The notes will agree, because they've agreed before they've started.
Who is likely to be eliminated ? Anyone actually whom they figure is
risky or may be costly for insurance, such as an older driver. Yes they
use seniors in training videos, most likely actors. They've an AARP
endorsement on their site, but there's a disclaimer from AARP if you
want to contact them. This is reality in a nutshell.

If Schneider really wants to help, than students should be informed
regularly from the start what they're doing wrong & what they should be
doing or work on. This will not happen, because it would interfere with
their elimination process. They figure that it's their option to select
those whom they want. I say they're all wet, technically & legally.

The Schneider legal game:

Schneider will have the contract from one state, the loan from another
& the Academy outside of one's home state & they'll lease their trucks.
They owe all these entities, which they use ins a legal game as
roadblocks.

They are in denial, because they suppose to teach you how to drive &
not to difer risks associated by lack of training. Applicants are told
by recruiters that the graduation rate is 85% in the Schneider Academy.
This may be true, but it's not true to those whom were eliminated. I
recommend them to contact their state consumer complaint agency &
report to the better business bureau this scam. Remember you're good
for 5 yrs. with a lawsuit. It's good to know because the moron did put
his own people in key positions.

The Schneider Academy will give minimum driver training in the first 2
weeks. They use this time to teach in classroom the company procedures,
loging time, commonly used in the industry, pre trip & post trip
inspections, Sim class, where they try to scare you before elimination,
map reading & trip planning. Some of the stuff they teach you are
ridiculous & experienced truckers don't do it that way. Give you an
example on map reading & trip planning & I'm not going into double
clutching.

They'll tell you don't use the cell phone & don't trust GPS. They're
not only backwards & ridiculous but plain stupid. GPS is accurate
within 5-10 feet & the military is using it. GPS will not pick up the
latest Walmart & associated road construction, but neither is the map
they give you. This has to be filed & recorded first, before it appears
on the map.

Anyone with a mobile phone & the right plan today can get step by step
directions from where he's at to where he wants to go within minutes.
This is not rocket science, but they will tell you that you may get
lost & they just can't take the risk with you.

This is really stupid, especially coming from the Academy Manager. Yes
you may check the map for bridge capacity or height requirements for
overpass. P.S. truckers have special software for that too.

This Qualcom which Schneider bought years ago today is nothing more
than a crack of shit. Yes technology changes, but they don't admit to
it. Today it's voice to text & text to voice & not macros by Qualcom
off the road.

Roughrider50

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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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sounds like someone got their corn flakes pissed in this morning :o)

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gpsman

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Oct 7, 2006, 12:06:22 PM10/7/06
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instructor wrote: <brevity snip>

> Schneider is the 900 pound guerilla in the trucking industry
>
> They are in denial, because they suppose to teach you how to drive &
> not to difer risks associated by lack of training.
>
> The Schneider Academy will give minimum driver training in the first 2
> weeks. They use this time to teach in classroom the company procedures,
> loging time, commonly used in the industry, pre trip & post trip
> inspections, Sim class, where they try to scare you before elimination,
> map reading & trip planning. Some of the stuff they teach you are
> ridiculous & experienced truckers don't do it that way. Give you an
> example on map reading & trip planning & I'm not going into double
> clutching.
>
> They'll tell you don't use the cell phone & don't trust GPS. They're
> not only backwards & ridiculous but plain stupid. GPS is accurate
> within 5-10 feet & the military is using it.
>
> This is really stupid, especially coming from the Academy Manager. Yes
> you may check the map for bridge capacity or height requirements for
> overpass. P.S. truckers have special software for that too.

You flunked out, get over it. Driving a truck isn't for everybody.
-----

- gpsman

richard

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Oct 7, 2006, 12:39:21 PM10/7/06
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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> Schneider is the 900 pound guerilla in the trucking industry, which is
> 85% small business owned. They like to wrap themselves in the flag,
> just like the neocons & their leader with his 98 I.Q. They like small
> business allright, like Walmart & Schneider. According to Open Road XM
> Trucking Radio, Schneider reps. testified to a friendly special
> commitee of congress, where they've asked to increase the Visa program
> for Mexican drivers. You know what that's going to do to wages.
>

Tell me about it. I've been thanking Schneider ever since they kicked me
loose in 1990.
During my week at Green Bay, we had one instructor who had a reputation that
he was known to fail every one of his students regardless. Did he care? He
got his paycheck just the same.
You forgot to mention company spies.
There was one young lady in our "class" from Seville, Oh. who seemed to fit
that category.
Without a 2nd thought the manager handed her the keys to a car, told her she
was in charge. Yet she had no experience.
We were told to go a certain way, get fuel at a certain location, and be in
our motel by a certain time.
Obviously a test. I simply suggested that if it were my choice, I'd go down
to US30 and cut away that way as it's quicker.
In our class room, our instructor gave us a route to figure out. Now how do
you suppose that this little girl with no experience got it almost right
with barely looking at the map?

It is true that Schneider had the habit of taking anyone. Not so any more. I
went to talk to them about leasing a truck. Because I had one ticket, I was
not eligible to drive for them. But I could have gotten the truck.

While Schneider used to be the largest company on the road, where are they
now?
Selling off their glass hauling specialist department doesn't indicate they
are going down the tubes?
Even their tanker division sees little traffic.

It won't be long before Don Schneider decides to call it quits.

Same is true with C R England. Now talk about a company that will hire
anyone able to walk, they will.
They have Mexicans who can barely speak a word of English.
They will try their damndest to get you to lease a truck right out of school
so they can make a ton of money from your ignorance.


Anthony Martinez

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Oct 7, 2006, 11:44:58 PM10/7/06
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On 7 Oct 2006 07:46:35 -0700, "instructor" <instr...@inbox.com>
wrote:

So how much money do you owe Schneider? Did they offer their "free
training?"


Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan

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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> Schneider is the 900 pound guerilla in the trucking industry, which is
> 85% small business owned.

Please cite your source for this information. With companies like Swift, JB
Hunt, Yellow Freight, UPS and other large companies, I'd really like to see
this information you have that shows a different side of reality.

They like to wrap themselves in the flag,
> just like the neocons & their leader with his 98 I.Q. They like small
> business allright, like Walmart & Schneider. According to Open Road XM
> Trucking Radio, Schneider reps. testified to a friendly special
> commitee of congress, where they've asked to increase the Visa program
> for Mexican drivers. You know what that's going to do to wages.

My guess is keep them the same?

>
> Who is likely to be eliminated (AARP) ?

Those who do not know how to drive - and I'm assuming you're one of those?


>
> While lots of trucking firms have stopped their training programs,
> because of high insurance costs of untested new drivers, Schneider did
> not. They'll take anyone with good driving record, but minimize their
> risk by early elimination.

Read - "I couldn't pass their testing, and I'm pissed"


>
> Simply in plain english, they'll fail them, by saying that the course
> is too fast & he can't keep up, or he's making too many mistakes. They
> do this by documentation which I call elimination. What do they care,
> they got plenty of applicants.

Call it purple rocks for all you want. Documentation of poor driving skills
is what it is - proof. I'd love to see your eval sheet.

>
> Two instructors are sent out by the candidate & they'll compare notes.
> The notes will agree, because they've agreed before they've started.

You do realize you are ranting like a lunatic? Do you have a tinfoil hat?

> Who is likely to be eliminated ? Anyone actually whom they figure is
> risky or may be costly for insurance, such as an older driver.

Your "story" holds no water. Why pre-hire an older person that they have
already deemed risky?

>Yes they
> use seniors in training videos, most likely actors.

Schneider would not waste money on actors when they have so many drivers to
choose from.

They've an AARP
> endorsement on their site, but there's a disclaimer from AARP if you
> want to contact them. This is reality in a nutshell.


The more I read your rant, I'm more inclined to believe your reality is from
a nut hatch.

>
> If Schneider really wants to help, than students should be informed
> regularly from the start what they're doing wrong & what they should be
> doing or work on.

So, which part of your 4 evaluations during 2 weeks of training confused
you? Were large words used that threw you off?

> This will not happen, because it would interfere with
> their elimination process.

Uh - documenting problems would actually help this paranoid "elimination
process" you fantasize about.


> They figure that it's their option to select
> those whom they want. I say they're all wet, technically & legally.

What the hell does that even mean? And yes, it is their option to select
whom they want - it is a private business, and they have the final say as to
who will drive their trucks. They prfer people that can actually show an
ability to drive, as well be able to deal with they policies and procedures.

>
> The Schneider legal game:
>
> Schneider will have the contract from one state, the loan from another
> & the Academy outside of one's home state & they'll lease their trucks.

Dipshit - they lease their trucks from themselves. SNI leases the trucks
from Schneider Finance. It's a somewhat common tax write-off in big
business.

> They owe all these entities, which they use ins a legal game as
> roadblocks.

Who owes all these entities? What roadblocks? You're blabbering, man.


>
> They are in denial, because they suppose to teach you how to drive &
> not to difer risks associated by lack of training. Applicants are told
> by recruiters that the graduation rate is 85% in the Schneider Academy.

Oh God - please do no tell me you were dumb enough to actually believe a
recruiter? Not just Schneider's, but anyone's?

> This may be true, but it's not true to those whom were eliminated.

Again - a statement that really makes no sense.

> I recommend them to contact their state consumer complaint agency &
> report to the better business bureau this scam.

Please define this so-called "scam". So far, all you've mentioned is the
fact that Schneider has the ability to fail people they feel are not able to
pass their training. I'm no legal expert, but I'm pretty sure that's not
illegal. And, I bet others with sour grapes like yours, have tried doing
just that.

Remember you're good
> for 5 yrs. with a lawsuit. It's good to know because the moron did put
> his own people in key positions.

Which moron do you speak of?

>
> The Schneider Academy will give minimum driver training in the first 2
> weeks.

Correct - they then send those that can pass out for 2 or more weeks with a
Training Engineer, over the road, for continued, 'practical' training. Let
me guess - you didn't get that far, did ya?

They use this time to teach in classroom the company procedures,
> loging time, commonly used in the industry, pre trip & post trip
> inspections, Sim class, where they try to scare you before elimination,

Try to scare you? Lol - a lot cheaper to have you go into a skid in a sim
than a real truck down the highway. God forbid you should actually be shown
some of the things that can, and do, happen out there.

> map reading & trip planning. Some of the stuff they teach you are
> ridiculous & experienced truckers don't do it that way.

Lol - that's really the point, isn't it? How would you know what
"experienced" truck drivers do - you couldn't pass the initial 2 weeks.

> Give you an
> example on map reading & trip planning

They spend a whole day on that, and then some. If you had trouble reading
the maps, and with trip planning, you could have asked for help. But, I'm
willing to bet it was all "This is stupid" type of an attitude from you,
wasn't it?

& I'm not going into double
> clutching.

Obviously you didn't go through Carlisle, considering that statement. Maybe
you're right - they should teach everyone how to float gears, and let
everyone tear up transmissions until they know what they are doing.

>
> They'll tell you don't use the cell phone

Which is good advice - while driving.

They're
> not only backwards & ridiculous but plain stupid. GPS is accurate
> within 5-10 feet & the military is using it. GPS will not pick up the
> latest Walmart & associated road construction, but neither is the map
> they give you. This has to be filed & recorded first, before it appears
> on the map.

The more you write - the more I know what you had trouble with in
training......

>
> Anyone with a mobile phone & the right plan today can get step by step
> directions from where he's at to where he wants to go within minutes.
> This is not rocket science, but they will tell you that you may get
> lost & they just can't take the risk with you.

Aha! You failed map reading, didn't you!

>
> This is really stupid, especially coming from the Academy Manager. Yes
> you may check the map for bridge capacity or height requirements for
> overpass. P.S. truckers have special software for that too.
>
> This Qualcom which Schneider bought years ago today is nothing more
> than a crack of shit. Yes technology changes, but they don't admit to
> it.

Actually, they do - and they've made a lot of changes with the Qualcomm
systems over the years - including using the very "special software" you
spoke of.

Today it's voice to text & text to voice & not macros by Qualcom
> off the road.
>

Please, oh please, tell us which trucking outfits use voice to text and text
to voice technology in their trucks. I guess you had trouble reading
Qualcomm messages too, didn't you? Willing to bet you were just hoping to go
in there, hop behind the wheel, and become Captain Pumpkin - right? But oh
no - you had to actually learn something! *Gasp!* Show you knew what the
hell you were doing. Oh no! You couldn't do that, got pissed (and probably
had an attitude about it), and flunked out of the academy.

You know what? Good - one less know-it-all smartass behind the wheel the
rest rest of us professional drivers would have to otherwise worry about. Go
drive an ice cream truck.


instructor

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instructor

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I've red most of the comments & I'm glad that I didn't get any
criticism for spelling errors. I like to elaborate about the scam,
because that's the jest of this topic.

When Schneider charge you $321 daily for open book classroom training,
you're being scammed. Schneider pays $25 daily for your room &
breakfast to the hotel. They had no intention of teaching you from the
start. You'll fail for driving. Rest assured that you got a case with
your state's consumer complaints agency. I hope that I've shed some
light to those in search of remedies.

Frankly my man is confused about the world around him, the
technicalities of the training difficulties & the law. I'll not waste
time to answer him point by point.

Most of the training you get, you can do at home in your spare time for
free. Map reading & trip planning I've learned in grade school &
didn't need any Schneider instructions for that. Regarding the GPS
mysteries, I must point out, that trucking companies are backwards. The
technology is ahead of them & they're behind the curve. Schneider
didn't know his asshole from the hole in the ground when he invested
in Qualcam, but that didn't matter, because the rest of them didn't
know any better either.

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick

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What a nutbag.

--
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himself upon his angelic behavior that he
became the tool of evil. -Hammarskjöld
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Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan

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Oct 8, 2006, 7:40:14 PM10/8/06
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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> I've red most of the comments & I'm glad that I didn't get any
> criticism for spelling errors. I like to elaborate about the scam,
> because that's the jest of this topic.
>
> When Schneider charge you $321 daily for open book classroom training,
> you're being scammed. Schneider pays $25 daily for your room &
> breakfast to the hotel. They had no intention of teaching you from the
> start. You'll fail for driving. Rest assured that you got a case with
> your state's consumer complaints agency. I hope that I've shed some
> light to those in search of remedies.

Actually, you haven't. You have not factored in the cost of the actual
training, the instructor's pay, the in truck training, the materials you are
given, and other items. Does it cost $321 a day? Can't vouch for that - but
it's a might more than the $25 a day you are complaining about. Find other
training that's free. I still say your have sour grapes because of crappy
driving skills.

>
> Frankly my man is confused about the world around him, the
> technicalities of the training difficulties & the law. I'll not waste
> time to answer him point by point.

It's sad to see you think this way. Again, I'm very happy to see that you
are not behind the wheel of a truck. You seem very closed-minded, and
unwilling to listen to others who may have something to actually teach you.
As for the so-called confusion of the "technicalities of the training
difficulties", nothing could be further from the truth. I won't go into
details as to why, but rest assured, you are incorrect in that assumption.
You refuse to respond to my points because you really have no leg to stand
on.

>
> Most of the training you get, you can do at home in your spare time for
> free.

Well - good for you. Let us know how your backing skills are coming along,
as well as your button-hooks, snub braking, skip shifting, pre-trips,
scaling, and the legalities of logging. If you were so damn smart, why
weren't you smart enough to not need any training?

Map reading & trip planning I've learned in grade school &
> didn't need any Schneider instructions for that.

Trip planning in grade school? Wow - impressive. It's amazing how many
people you are calling idiots with that statement - because I've seen a lot
of people, even not in training, that have trouble with map reading and trip
planning.

Regarding the GPS
> mysteries, I must point out, that trucking companies are backwards. The
> technology is ahead of them & they're behind the curve. Schneider
> didn't know his asshole from the hole in the ground when he invested
> in Qualcam, but that didn't matter, because the rest of them didn't
> know any better either.


So, what's your point then? Satellite communication and tracking is a thing
of the past? Please let us know of this modern technology you speak of.


Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan

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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> Frankly my man is confused about the world around him

Also - I'll put my ten years of "confusion" up against your driving
experience. Let me know when your wisdom actually gains you a CDL, and we
can talk.


realitytrucker

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Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan wrote:

It's obvious from his post that he flunked out of Schneider's driving
school yet he can't take the blame. He'd rather go off on a rant and
put all the blame on the company.

And did ya notice the only other poster who agreed with hm? Another
loser by the name of Richard.

gpsman

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instructor wrote:
> I've red most of the comments & I'm glad that I didn't get any
> criticism for spelling errors. I like to elaborate about the scam,
> because that's the jest of this topic.

If you hadn't been tossed, would it still be a scam? If you're so
smart, why did you enroll and accept their terms?


> When Schneider charge you $321 daily for open book classroom training,
> you're being scammed. Schneider pays $25 daily for your room &
> breakfast to the hotel.

So? You're an expert on teaching methods and expect an 11 day school
to be worth... what, per day?

> They had no intention of teaching you from the
> start.You'll fail for driving.

Really? Surely they don't flunk every student...? How would one fail
for "driving"?

> Rest assured that you got a case with
> your state's consumer complaints agency. I hope that I've shed some
> light to those in search of remedies.

How could you have? How's your remedy going? Did you abandon a
successful law practice to become a truck driver?

> Frankly my man is confused about the world around him, the
> technicalities of the training difficulties & the law. I'll not waste
> time to answer him point by point.

Why not? You ain't working? And I'll guess you ain't looking very
hard either so you should have some extra time on your hands.

> Most of the training you get, you can do at home in your spare time for
> free. Map reading & trip planning I've learned in grade school &
> didn't need any Schneider instructions for that.

What grade are you in now?

> Regarding the GPS
> mysteries, I must point out, that trucking companies are backwards. The
> technology is ahead of them & they're behind the curve.

So, I presume you are forwarding the idea that trucking companies
should be developing GPS technology and be at the forefront of the
curve... so it seems you know little if anything about either.

> Schneider
> didn't know his asshole from the hole in the ground when he invested
> in Qualcam, but that didn't matter, because the rest of them didn't
> know any better either.

They had the money to invest. I presume they didn't acquire that
financial position because they're stupid. I would also presume you
don't know the details of those investments or their ROI.

You seem to be the classic "know-it-all" even though you've never been
in any position to learn anything about GPS, Qualcomm, or the trucking
industry. You therefore seem very resistant to learning and a prime
candidate for the shitcan of any school.

You didn't want to learn to double-clutch since experienced drivers
float the gears. You probably never considered that you have to
double-clutch fairly well in order to pass the driving portion of the
CDL test.

I have a feeling there's a spatula or Mexican backhoe in your future
and you'll be surprised to hear you don't know how to operate those
either.
-----

- gpsman

Top

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Bullis couldn't identify the truth if someone pointed it out to him. That
has been proven many times in this NG.

--
The budget should be balanced, the treasury refilled, public
debt reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and
controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands curtailed,
lest Rome become bankrupt. -Quintus Tullius Cicero

realitytrucker

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Oct 9, 2006, 1:24:09 AM10/9/06
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This guy is more than a little confused. He seems to think that
Qualcomm is only for sat messaging. Perhaps if he'd do a little
research he might just learn that it is also for tracking the
whereabouts of the company's truck and trailer via GPS.

I guess what he wants is for a company to provide him with GPS
technology to use to eliminate map reading and trip planning. I don't
know of any company that provides that for their drivers.

Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan

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> On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:30:34 -0400, Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>
>>
>> "richard" <d...@john.son> wrote in message
>> news:eg8ld...@news2.newsguy.com...
>>>
>>> "instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1160232395.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Schneider is the 900 pound guerilla in the trucking industry, which is
>>>> 85% small business owned. They like to wrap themselves in the flag,
>>>> just like the neocons & their leader with his 98 I.Q. They like small
>>>> business allright, like Walmart & Schneider. According to Open Road XM
>>>> Trucking Radio, Schneider reps. testified to a friendly special
>>>> commitee of congress, where they've asked to increase the Visa program
>>>> for Mexican drivers. You know what that's going to do to wages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Tell me about it. I've been thanking Schneider ever since they kicked me
>>> loose in 1990.
>>> During my week at Green Bay, we had one instructor who had a reputation
>>> that he was known to fail every one of his students regardless. Did he
>>> care? He got his paycheck just the same. You forgot to mention company
>>> spies.

One week in Green Bay? Not bad, since it's a 2 week course, even back in
1990. Also, there are bonuses involved for each student that passes -
wouldn't you think that wouls be an incentive to NOT fail everyone? Bullises
(lack of) line of thinking still amazes me.

>>>
>>> It is true that Schneider had the habit of taking anyone. Not so any
>>> more. I went to talk to them about leasing a truck. Because I had one
>>> ticket, I was not eligible to drive for them. But I could have gotten
>>> the truck.
>>>
>>> While Schneider used to be the largest company on the road, where are
>>> they now?

Still the largest privately held truckload company, and still expanding.

>>> Selling off their glass hauling specialist department doesn't indicate
>>> they are going down the tubes?

Just the opposite - they are freeing up capital to expand into other
markets, especially buying out trucking companies in China to become an
international company. The glass division was not much of a money maker.

>>> Even their tanker division sees little traffic.

Really? Care to document this non-fact?

>>>
>>> It won't be long before Don Schneider decides to call it quits.

He hasn't been in charge of the company for over a year now. Any more of
your wisdom to share, Bullis?

instructor

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I'm not going to address all the nonsense here, but will give my
opinion on some of the issues. This is not about how many years someone
had on the road w/Schneider. This is about a scam & what to do about
it.

Schneider may have the right to fail you for driving, but you also have
the right for training. Did they try to teach you, or not ? Did they
go over the problems with you or they just told you flat it's up to
you, & they got no time for you, like they've done with me. I've never
heard of the 4 point evaluation. I was asked what is my problem but
this was a phony question. The manager reads all the reports & knows
the problems. Not only they kept me in the dark, but cheated me on
training. Those who were behind got less training & were failed. They
were assigned 2 to a truck in training, but were instructed to fudge
the logbook. I caught on to this & the elimination by documentation
followed. This was inevidable & it needs to be out in the open. I'm
fighting them & I don't believe I'm alone.

I.M.O. regarding attitudes, some instructors at Schneider could not
even pass a simple psychological evaluation test. I can tell you about
one infamous instructor who claimed
that his student deliberately tried to kill him, by trying to hit the
telephonepole. The student whom was more credible told me, there were
no telephone poles around.

GPS techchnology is a proven success & commonly available & affordable
to anyone. Schneider however wants you to believe in training that it's
unreliable, & what they got is revolutionary. What is revolutionary, is
voice to text & text to voice. To my knowledge no trucking firm is
using it yet. They are very conservative, to put it mildly. The first
time I used this was with yahoo by phone, which was years ago. Now it's
combined w/GPS & has nothing to do w/yahoo. Even common GPS software
uses voice technology, turn by turn instructions & voice commands. How
does Qualcom compares to that with macros ? My man with his 10 years
of trucking experience is dumber than a doorknob.

Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan

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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not going to address all the nonsense here, but will give my
> opinion on some of the issues. This is not about how many years someone
> had on the road w/Schneider. This is about a scam & what to do about
> it.
>
> Schneider may have the right to fail you for driving, but you also have
> the right for training. Did they try to teach you, or not ? Did they
> go over the problems with you or they just told you flat it's up to
> you, & they got no time for you, like they've done with me. I've never
> heard of the 4 point evaluation. I was asked what is my problem but
> this was a phony question. The manager reads all the reports & knows
> the problems. Not only they kept me in the dark, but cheated me on
> training. Those who were behind got less training & were failed. They
> were assigned 2 to a truck in training, but were instructed to fudge
> the logbook. I caught on to this & the elimination by documentation
> followed. This was inevidable & it needs to be out in the open. I'm
> fighting them & I don't believe I'm alone.

Maybe not alone - but in a very, very small crowd. You failed training, and
are pissed off about it. IMHO, you have a very narrow point of view, and are
unwilling to accept any constructive critisism that does not conform with
your point of view.

>
> I.M.O. regarding attitudes, some instructors at Schneider could not
> even pass a simple psychological evaluation test.

I'd be curious to see how you do.

I can tell you about
> one infamous instructor who claimed
> that his student deliberately tried to kill him, by trying to hit the
> telephonepole. The student whom was more credible told me, there were
> no telephone poles around.
>
> GPS techchnology is a proven success & commonly available & affordable
> to anyone. Schneider however wants you to believe in training that it's
> unreliable,

So, you couldn't learn how to drive, amd that makes their training
unreliable? What made you go to them for training in the first place?

> what they got is revolutionary.

It is a lot better than the majority of systems in use today. Doesn't make
it great, but it does make it very useful.

> What is revolutionary, is
> voice to text & text to voice. To my knowledge no trucking firm is
> using it yet. They are very conservative, to put it mildly. The first
> time I used this was with yahoo by phone, which was years ago. Now it's
> combined w/GPS & has nothing to do w/yahoo. Even common GPS software
> uses voice technology, turn by turn instructions & voice commands. How
> does Qualcom compares to that with macros ?

You do realize that the Qualcomm is use for more than just directions,
correct? My guess is you are so hell-bent on converting an entire trucking
company to voice -to - text and visa versa, that you just block out the rest
of what was being taught to you. Sure, your GPS/text to voice is a nice
idea - but do you know what the implimentation costs would be? Also - any
idea if this system is actually being tested in a select test group to check
it's viability?


> My man with his 10 years of trucking experience is dumber than a doorknob.

Still willing to put my experience up against yours any day of the week.
Please explain your statement on "dumber" - how do you come to this
unwarrented conclusion? Sorry I don't conform to your narrow point of view,
but it is actually based on real-world experience, not your world of
"shoulda". Are you saying that everyone who opposes your point of view is
"dumb"? What a sad, bitter world you live in.

Also - I am not "your man".


instructor

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If anyone got a narrow view, that's this dumbell who can't accept
reality. Schneider can fail anybody in training & will ask for
reimbursement, blaming him for failing. Now that's called a scam & you
don't have to accept it, if it happens to you. Make sure you report it
& fight it, but don't pay them if they screwed you.

Learning how to drive takes time. You'll not learn it in the classroom
& certainly not learn it in 2 weeks. The first 2 weeks are used for
elimination. Schneider have a very good training program for driving,
but it's not the first 2 weeks. They also have some very good
instructors, whom are company man. I had some private conversations
with them & basically they've agreed with me. What they have to teach
is often no more than a crack of shit & yes sometimes they have to lie.
They also have some instructors who should not be there, lie routinely
& require treatment. Like they say in Yiddish, the fish stinks from the
head at the Academy.


Qualcom is for trucking management & spyware on the driver. Let's not
confuse that with dedicated GPS, whose purpose is providing location &
directions to the driver.

The GPS system has been widely tested for years & it's reliable & cost
affective. The system that I'm talking about was pioneered in Canada &
will be offered in luxury cars or anyone who wants to pay for the
service. It's a one box system, where everything comes in as voice &
you can reply via voice through a speaker; email, fax, phone,
directions. It's ridiculous & stupid when the school manager tells you,
that you may get lost on the road. I had no problems with map reading
or route planning.

I'm not advocating GPS & I know that the majority of truckers are
computer illeterate. Just because someone has been driving for 10 yrs.
or posting on this forum for sometimes doesn't mean that he knows shit
from shine. Truckers get their directions on the radio. They don't even
know their email address on their mobile phone. I like to share a
glimpse into the future, which is here & present. The net is the mother
of all communications & the future of the net is mobile & WIMAX. This
is mobile broadband.

realitytrucker

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instructor wrote:
> If anyone got a narrow view, that's this dumbell who can't accept
> reality. Schneider can fail anybody in training & will ask for
> reimbursement, blaming him for failing. Now that's called a scam & you
> don't have to accept it, if it happens to you. Make sure you report it
> & fight it, but don't pay them if they screwed you.

Uh, did the contract say you would have to reimburse if you failed?
Did you sign the contract? If the answer to both questions is yes then
it's not a scam. Oh, yeah, one more: Did you even bother to READ the
contract?


>
> Learning how to drive takes time. You'll not learn it in the classroom
> & certainly not learn it in 2 weeks. The first 2 weeks are used for
> elimination. Schneider have a very good training program for driving,
> but it's not the first 2 weeks. They also have some very good
> instructors, whom are company man. I had some private conversations
> with them & basically they've agreed with me. What they have to teach
> is often no more than a crack of shit & yes sometimes they have to lie.
> They also have some instructors who should not be there, lie routinely
> & require treatment. Like they say in Yiddish, the fish stinks from the
> head at the Academy.
>
>
> Qualcom is for trucking management & spyware on the driver.

"Spyware"? You mean wanting to know where their $100,000.00 piece of
equipment and load is is considered "spying"?

Let's not
> confuse that with dedicated GPS, whose purpose is providing location &
> directions to the driver.

My co. uses Qualcomm and I recieve directions on it. I'm afraid I
don't follow your rant.

>
> The GPS system has been widely tested for years & it's reliable & cost
> affective. The system that I'm talking about was pioneered in Canada &
> will be offered in luxury cars or anyone who wants to pay for the
> service. It's a one box system, where everything comes in as voice &
> you can reply via voice through a speaker; email, fax, phone,
> directions. It's ridiculous & stupid when the school manager tells you,
> that you may get lost on the road. I had no problems with map reading
> or route planning.


Then why, exactly, did you flunk out?

>
> I'm not advocating GPS & I know that the majority of truckers are
> computer illeterate. Just because someone has been driving for 10 yrs.
> or posting on this forum for sometimes doesn't mean that he knows shit
> from shine. Truckers get their directions on the radio.

What radio? Oh, you mean the CB? Hell, I'd never follow directions
some clown gave me over the CB. At least not without cross referencing
it with the directions I got over the ualcomm and my map. Relying
soley on other drivers on the CB is a sure way to get lost.

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick

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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> If anyone got a narrow view, that's this dumbell who can't accept
> reality.

<snip your whining bullshit>

As someone with 15 years experience as a technical instructor, I can spot
several reasons why you got shitcanned just in a few posts- I pity the poor
bastards that had to put up with you for a week.

First, you're attending -their- program- shut the fuck up about your
stupid fuckin GPS and read the fuckin map.

The day you get in your own truck, do what ever you want, hang a GPS
around your neck and stick one up your ass.

The fact you can't follow simple direction for two weeks is a direct
reflection on your maturity and judgment, and they're not going to put you
in a truck with your -blindingly- obvious attitude problem.

They're entrusting you with $100,000 plus vehicle, and God knows the load,
and they have to have a reasonable expectation that you'll conform to their
wishes to a certain degree, and you simply -refuse- to provide that.

Frankly, you're not worth helping, Mr. Know-It-All.

There are other studii grateful for the chance.

Second is your sour grapes attitude about the other instructors.

Maybe you should have hit the books, and concentrated on doing things
their way until you were done, instead of standing around gossiping.

The fact that you expect an entire major corporate entity to come to a
screeching halt and bend to your will shows a complete lack of realism on
your part.

You're right where you belong- out of their truck.

And training isn't free- especially when you spend the entire time making
an ass out of yourself.

Run along, boy.

Don't bother to answer, I've seen -far- too many of you "smarter than the
instructor but can't get a job" types.


Gashauler

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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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To even begin to be a professional driver you need three basic skills. 1.
Keep you mouth shut. 2. Keep you ears open. 3. Keep your eyes open. You've
failed on all three of these very basic skills. I know of no good drivers
that will say they'd learned all there is to driving. Your mentality on
driving comes right out of the movies. You want to skip all the necessary
training and go right into being a Billy Big Rigger. Some day you might have
a clue but right now stick to the internet. But instead of learning to drive
a truck off the net why don't you go for rocket scientist it pays better?


Gashauler

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"realitytrucker" <timp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> This guy is more than a little confused. He seems to think that
> Qualcomm is only for sat messaging. Perhaps if he'd do a little
> research he might just learn that it is also for tracking the
> whereabouts of the company's truck and trailer via GPS.
>
> I guess what he wants is for a company to provide him with GPS
> technology to use to eliminate map reading and trip planning. I don't
> know of any company that provides that for their drivers.
>

No he said that Qualcomm is a way the company "SPIES" on you. It's a shame
that there's no screening before the school training. What would happen if
this guy got through the training. We'd have ANOTHER steering wheel holder.
I can honestly say that my company did intensive background checks before
the driver got anywhere near a truck. Some of it I didn't agree with like
the credit reports but they had their reasons. I wish there would be some
type of controls on the schools because there seems to be a loss for the old
school driver that really knows the equipment and how to treat it.


instructor

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As someone with 15 years experience as a technical instructo...bla,
bla, bla..."

My man likes to fantasize.

" Uh, did the contract say you would have to reimburse if you failed?
Did you sign the contract? If the answer to both questions is yes then
it's not a scam. Oh, yeah, one more: Did you even bother to READ the
contract? "

Yes I've signed the contract & Schneider has defaulted. It'scalled
breach of contract. My man, is dumber than a door knob.

Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan

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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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You seem to want to posses men. Anyhow - what exactly did they default? Cite
specifics.


realitytrucker

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Well, you didn't say whether the contract said you had to reimburse if
you failed the training. Lets assume it did. Then its no scam and
Schneider didn't default. You did, evidently if you have to reimburse
them.

"Dumber than a door knob"? Hmmm, let's see. I passed my driver
training. I have a successful career as a driver\. I have had no
tickets, no accidents, no "incidents" as my company likes to refer to
them as. You flunked out of a basic truck driving course. Who's dumb?
I'd say it was you.

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick

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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> As someone with 15 years experience as a technical instructo...bla,
> bla, bla..."
>
> My man likes to fantasize.

Blah, blah, blah.

Make sure you spell "Schneider" right on that check.

> " Uh, did the contract say you would have to reimburse if you failed?
> Did you sign the contract? If the answer to both questions is yes then
> it's not a scam. Oh, yeah, one more: Did you even bother to READ the
> contract? "

I'm not the one to ask.

> Yes I've signed the contract & Schneider has defaulted. It'scalled
> breach of contract. My man, is dumber than a door knob.

I'm not the one that signed the contract.


Slyvester

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>Schneider didn't know his A$$#*!* from the hole in the ground when he invested

> in Qualcam, but that didn't matter, because the rest of them didn't know any better >either.

Imagine that, Schneider owns a publicly traded, multi-billion dollar
conglomerate of which ALL of the share owners can be looked up on the
stock exchanges website. (NASDAQ) Hint Don Schneider and Schneider
National are not listed as MAJOR owners of Qualcomm Stock.

Even if he did own a bunch of Qualcomm stock, WOW! Since 1999 it has
split 5 times,
If you had invested $10000 in 1991 when it went public, it would now be
worth $736638. Yeah, I see what you mean, he is sooooooooooooo stupid,
he really doesnt know anything, Like you anyway.

heheheh

Slyvester <Moron Neocon

instructor

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" You seem to want to posses men. Anyhow - what exactly did they
default? Cite
specifics. "

There was a long list with everything but manslaughter. Believe me if
they don't want you, they'll fail you with a list & you will not get a
4 point evaluation. It's like a courtmarshal or Getmo.

Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan

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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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You lack of any real information in your response indicates you really have
nothing to show indicating breach of contract, or else you'd be more than
happy to share whith everyone in an attempt to "shed some light" on the
situation (you words, not mine).


As for this "4 point evaluation" you refer to, it's news to me. What is it?
Schneider does not use such a thing in training.


Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan

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"instructor" <instr...@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> Who is likely to be eliminated ? Anyone actually whom they figure is

> risky or may be costly for insurance, such as an older driver. Yes they
> use seniors in training videos, most likely actors. They've an AARP


> endorsement on their site, but there's a disclaimer from AARP if you
> want to contact them. This is reality in a nutshell.

Actually, in the non-paranoid world, THIS is reality:

Baby Boomers start truckin'

Listen to this story

The trucking industry is in the middle of its worst labor shortage ever. As
companies hone their recruiting efforts, they're focusing on one group of
potential truckers: Baby Boomers. Martha Woodroof tells us it could be a
match made in economic heaven.


http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2006/10/10/AM200610101.html


instructor

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> You seem to want to posses men. Anyhow - what exactly did they default? Cite
> specifics.

The list was everything but manslaughter & no 4 point evaluation. The
reality is simply common mistakes that a student makes & even some pros
& nothing spectacular.

instructor

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Oct 13, 2006, 12:38:51 PM10/13/06
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Everyone needs to qualify, even baby boomers. I'm not a baby boomer you
see, but they are my juniors. What I got was a 5 point evaluation & my
age had to be a factor. The manager decided early on, that it's not
worth training me. He told me flat, not to expect any help with
driving. The fact is I didn't even get the same practice time like
others whom passed. When I've mentioned it they've tried to argue with
me. This argument I'm going to win, whether Schneider likes it or not.

Screw E'm..Still A Tony Fan

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