ne1 know how to by-passing the speed limiter sensor?
Pat Durkin
>
> Does any one know how to by-passing the speed limiter sensor on the
> transmission to make the truck run faster?
> I have heard that ya can run a wire to the panel light dimmer switch.
Yeah, that's it. Do it.
Jesse
GreenKing8
have given up long distance work and now drive a 8 wheel tipper
and i wish i had made the change years ago i sleep every night in my own bed
and i love it !!! greetings from jerry, aka greenking8
from bury-st-edmunds suffolk england
TOMBERGSTR
ground the wire to the transmission . It seems easy if all you need do is use a
jumper clip . Can be removed quickly and easily .
Ckrepp
>From: None (Jesse)
>Date: 8/28/98 9:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <35e77043...@news.pipeline.com>
>
>Does any one know how to by-passing the speed limiter sensor on the
>transmission to make the truck run faster?
>I have heard that ya can run a wire to the panel light dimmer switch.
>
>
Maybe you ought to leave it alone, it ain't your truck to be messing with. It
is limited for a reason. Unless you own the truck, you should leave it alone.
-------------------------------------------------------------
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Bob Coon
If your truck has an electronically controlled engine, the speed is
controlled by the engine computer. It reads the speed signal from the
sensor in the tailshaft in the transmission. If you do anything to
disable the signal, the computer will actually reduce your engine power.
The manufacturers have tested all the tricks before releasing the
engines for production. Unless you have an above average understanding
of electronics, you probably can't disable the speed controls.
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>Ckrepp wrote:
>>
>> >Subject: ne1 know how to by-passing the speed limiter sensor?
>> >From: None (Jesse)
>> >
>If your truck has an electronically controlled engine, the speed is
>controlled by the engine computer. It reads the speed signal from the
>sensor in the tailshaft in the transmission. If you do anything to
>disable the signal, the computer will actually reduce your engine power.
>The manufacturers have tested all the tricks before releasing the
>engines for production. Unless you have an above average understanding
>of electronics, you probably can't disable the speed controls.
Some makes of truck will go through the speed limiter if the ignition key is
played with. I.E. turn it off then straight back on again, this will let the
engine surge for 3-5 seconds which will normally be enough to get past the
vehicle you're trying to overtake.
Be careful if you try this at night because some trucks have the lights
wired through the ignition.:-(
Also on some vehicles it doesn't do the alternator any good.:-(
tara chucks
mark
SCHT3
from mark middelton :>Some makes of truck will go through the speed limiter if
the ignition key
>is<BR>
>played with. I.E. turn it off then straight back on again, this will let
>engine surge for 3-5 seconds which will normally be enough to get past
>vehicle you're trying to overtake.<BR>
>Be careful if you try this at night because some trucks have the lights<BR>
>wired through the ignition.:-(<BR>
>Also on some vehicles it doesn't do the alternator any good.
THIS IS ABOUT AS STUPID AS IT GETS,
PLEASE PUT YOUR NAME ON YOUR TRUCK SO ANY NORMAL DRIVER CAN PULL OVER WHEN YOU
DECIDE TO PERFORM THIS TRICK , i know i was raising my voice but is was
justified i think
Jesse
yea well you must be the stupid one! I know it can be done i know of
two trucks it was done on! and as soon as i see one of the guys again
i am going to ask how they did it, there trucks are the same as my
truck and they can blow my doors off. one of them told me the basics
of it but he just said a wire on the back of the transmission.... well
there are 4 wires white green red and black, i just thought someone
here might know! Since you don't.... shut the fuck up!
SCHT3
was>justified i thinkyea well you must be the stupid one! I know it can be
>done i know oftwo trucks it was done on! and as soon as i see one of the guys
>againi am going to ask how ,bla bla bla, jada jada jada etc whatever
here we go again, an another one who thinks that he needs to drive 85 to make
a decent paycheck . you mabye want to go to a carrier who pays you more than
what you are making now .
those speedcensors are there for a reason , btw what will you tell your boss
when he hooks that computor up at the next oil change, or even better when you
have to tell him that you got a 25 mile over speeding ticket on I -70 in kansas
( for your info no hills )
Vanguard
safety is why!
VANGUARD
Ckrepp wrote in message
Vanguard
lights to become inoperative.
VANGUARD
Mark Middleton wrote in message <6saiej$n38$1...@roch.zetnet.co.uk>...
BBenn76027
will surge up to 80-85 mph,then the governor catches it and pulls it back down
to 73mph.
also my cruise control is unreliable,i can set it at 65 mph,cruise down
the road and the next time i look i`m doing 70-75 mph.
i told the shop about it,because if i don`t really pay close attention ,i
might get a ticket.
the truck surges with the cruise on or off.
(freightshaker,n-14 with a super 10)
femus
Jesse wrote:
> On 30 Aug 1998 04:55:02 GMT, sc...@aol.com (SCHT3) wrote:
>
> >
> >from mark middelton :>Some makes of truck will go through the speed limiter if
> >the ignition key
> >>is<BR>
> >>played with. I.E. turn it off then straight back on again, this will let
> >>the<BR>
> >>engine surge for 3-5 seconds which will normally be enough to get past
> >>the<BR>
> >>vehicle you're trying to overtake.<BR>
> >>Be careful if you try this at night because some trucks have the lights<BR>
> >>wired through the ignition.:-(<BR>
> >>Also on some vehicles it doesn't do the alternator any good.
> >
> >THIS IS ABOUT AS STUPID AS IT GETS,
> >PLEASE PUT YOUR NAME ON YOUR TRUCK SO ANY NORMAL DRIVER CAN PULL OVER WHEN YOU
> >DECIDE TO PERFORM THIS TRICK , i know i was raising my voice but is was
> >justified i think
> yea well you must be the stupid one! I know it can be done i know of
> two trucks it was done on! and as soon as i see one of the guys again
montana
lite, etc. it does work though
Mark Middleton
Vanguard wrote in message ...
>Have you forgotten about the steering lock? Also this can cause certain
>lights to become inoperative.
>
>VANGUARD
surely a quick clean overtaking move is much better than two trucks running
side by side for miles on end, this wouldn't be a problem though if drivers
showed a little bit of courtesy to each other and the one in the slow lane
let the gas off for 1-2 seconds.
I've no objection to speed limiters in principal but I do think there should
be an emergency over-ride,just in case.
BTW my firm will sack anyone who tampers with speed limiter so I personally
don't bother.
Ref: steering lock, as i said turn ignition straight back on!:-)
only trying to help with the original question, but i can't see the point in
tampering because i'm paid by the hour!
have a safe one
scruffy
NOSPA...@door.net
This is really something the people on the ng are always talking about
no respect from the general public and than somebody goes and tries some
thing as stupid as this. Drive the speed limit and sat back and relax.
T. Martin
>from mark middelton :>Some makes of truck will go through the speed limiter if
>the ignition key
>>is<BR>
>>played with. I.E. turn it off then straight back on again, this will let
>>the<BR>
>>engine surge for 3-5 seconds which will normally be enough to get past
>>the<BR>
>>vehicle you're trying to overtake.<BR>
>>Be careful if you try this at night because some trucks have the lights<BR>
>>wired through the ignition.:-(<BR>
>>Also on some vehicles it doesn't do the alternator any good.
>
>THIS IS ABOUT AS STUPID AS IT GETS,
>PLEASE PUT YOUR NAME ON YOUR TRUCK SO ANY NORMAL DRIVER CAN PULL OVER WHEN YOU
>DECIDE TO PERFORM THIS TRICK , i know i was raising my voice but is was
>justified i think
Your very right I feel like this if your Truck doesn't run the way you like it
to get another job where they do run or by your own and quit trying to bypass
govenor.
OH I forget some people (most drivers now days) don't have the expeirence
or the talent to drive a real truck.
The 600 Cummins we just got in sure run good.
Just remember that anything smaller than a 400 belongs in a dumptruck and not a
class 8 vehicle.
T. Martin
>here might know! Since you don't.... shut the fuck up!
Stupid is as stupid does. and you just showed your real intelect with the
vulgarity. No wonder you drive a truck I bet your just as bad on the CB
Calling ALL Politicians PLEASE BAN CB RADIOS so we can get some
decency back on the highways and the 40 year old juvinile's that forget it's
a privilage and not a right get their perspectives in order.
BTW all flames are sent straight to /dev/null by the filter so save your time
and do something constuctive like counting the dotted lines in the Interstate.
GreenKing8
Just remember that anything smaller than a 400 belongs in a dumptruck
tractor and for the test each year the pump is turned down to cut down on
smoke (big cats are a real problem and thirsty too! ) here the speed is
limited to 55mph part for economy part safety
derv is about $5.00 a gal here at that price
a 1 mpg difference is big money at the end of the year , but , and there is
always a but you
need to bypass the limiter to get round or get home friday night if my limiter
was set at 70 mph i would not bother but 55 send me to sleep by the way the
ing key trick works with
SOME scanias
drive safe regards jerry
Carol English
montana <mon...@carolina.net> wrote in article
<35e7c...@208.218.14.44>...
> that has to be a Swift driver
>
>
>
tru...@webtv.net
with their truck like that. Besides most of the answers you will get are
from drivers not mechanics or engineers.
R.Allan Dodds
<markmi...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>Some makes of truck will go through the speed limiter if the ignition key is
This is a dangerous trick to play. Turning off the key on a lot of
trucks nowadays kills the engine and the power steering will go off just
when you will need to use it. On *all* vehicles it doesn't do the
alternator any good, to say nothing of using a "3-5 second" burst of
speed to pass somebody, then pull in front of him as you are slowing
down. I'd like to see your truck, it must be some tool if it can pass
another truck in 5 seconds when you are both on the speed limiter.
--
Allan
U.K. Amateur Radio Operator G7UZW
Mark Morissette
>trucks nowadays kills the engine and the power steering will go off just
>when you will need to use it. On *all* vehicles it doesn't do the
It will have no effect at all on either the engine or the power
steering, as long as you don't clutch it.
All that will happen by turning the key off while driving is that the
engine computer will go down, and consequently the injectors will stop
firing. Turn the key back on, the engine computer will fire up &
start injecting fuel again, and the engine starts producing HP.
Not suggesting it, just commenting on it.
As for the orignal post on how to bypass or defeat the governer, well,
probably a waste of time unless it's an older truck with the first
generation electronic engines.. The newer ones have so many
safeguards built in to keep the speed in check, that it's nearly
impossible. If you manage to get by one, the other shortly thereafter
kicks in and drops the speed back anyways, sometimes to a point below
where your actual governer was set to begin wtih!
I know on some of our older 94 Shakers with Detroit's DDEC2 computers,
the drivers discovered that doing the old 'turn the key off and back
on again' trick would bring them about an extra 8 or so MPH, but it
wasn't very long before the company discovered the same and fixed the
problem.
As well, dont' forget that the engine computer usually records average
speed and engine RPM, as well as average fuel milage. If it's a fleet
truck, your company will find out real quickly when they recall your
computers stats at the next service.. And that's probably not going
to be a good thing.
---
Mark
Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
ICQ 17308959
Pat Durkin
> speed and engine RPM, as well as average fuel milage. If it's a fleet
> truck, your company will find out real quickly when they recall your
> computers stats at the next service.. And that's probably not going
> to be a good thing.
>
> ---
> Mark
Mark Morisette is 100% right on this one. When the question was first
posted a few days ago (by an obvious newbie) I sarcastically remarked
something like "Yeah! Go ahead. Do it!" or some such, knowing all the
while what a mess this guy was about to get himself into.
Now the sarcasm is gone. Read this and believe it, rookies: THOSE
ENGINE COMPUTERS ARE TATTLE-TALES AND YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO KEEP THIS
ACTION A SECRET! Understand? If you don't, prepare to begin looking
for another job you idiot.
Pat
Vanguard
that we can guarantee not to catch that second click if you turn the key off
... you could hit a bump or something.
The thought TERRIFIES me and I hope it will frighten everyone else reading
this.
Drive safe .....
VANGUARD
Mark Middleton
Vanguard wrote in message <#0Q6hzS29GA.169@upnetnews03>...
Not a problem, all I was doing was contributing to a debate in which I had
my say. I realise that what I say may not be to other people's liking.But
someone asked the question.
One thing I do know is several of our drivers use the "key trick" ,because
I tried passing one on the M6 on friday night and every time I got level
with him he'd flick the key and leave me sitting like a lemon in the middle
lane.
whats life coming to?
take care
mark
R.Allan Dodds
<Vangu...@email.msn.com> writes
>Sorry Mark, I didn't mean it to sound like an attack. I just don't think
>that we can guarantee not to catch that second click if you turn the key off
>... you could hit a bump or something.
>
>The thought TERRIFIES me and I hope it will frighten everyone else reading
>this.
Certainly a terrifying thought. I had half a mind to tell the guy how to
do it properly, then I thought about the possible consequences and
decided not to.
Remember, Tachographs and speed limiters are sealed everywhere you can
get access to them. Those seals are "tamper evident", not "idiot proof".
Sure, you can mess with either one but it will show up on your chart. If
you tamper with the chart that will show up,too. I know one guy who gets
called as an expert witness in court cases,and he can show discrepancies
when all the truck driver did was park outside a factory one night and
go in to load or tip the next morning before replacing the card. All he
stood to gain was a few metres of distance and an hour or so of time.
Asphalt Junkie
R.Allan Dodds heeft geschreven in bericht
<02CrwBAU...@rdodds.demon.co.uk>...
*In article <#0Q6hzS29GA.169@upnetnews03>, Vanguard
*<Vangu...@email.msn.com> writes
*>Sorry Mark, I didn't mean it to sound like an attack. I just don't think
*>that we can guarantee not to catch that second click if you turn the key
off
*>... you could hit a bump or something.
*>
*>The thought TERRIFIES me and I hope it will frighten everyone else reading
*>this.
*
*Certainly a terrifying thought. I had half a mind to tell the guy how to
*do it properly, then I thought about the possible consequences and
*decided not to.
*Remember, Tachographs and speed limiters are sealed everywhere you can
*get access to them. Those seals are "tamper evident", not "idiot proof".
*Sure, you can mess with either one but it will show up on your chart. If
*you tamper with the chart that will show up,too. I know one guy who gets
*called as an expert witness in court cases,and he can show discrepancies
*when all the truck driver did was park outside a factory one night and
*go in to load or tip the next morning before replacing the card. All he
*stood to gain was a few metres of distance and an hour or so of time.
*--
*Allan
*
*U.K. Amateur Radio Operator G7UZW
*
*
We have put both speed limiter as black box on the same fuse. If drivers
want to tamper with it's quite easy to detect, you don't even have to have a
close look at the tachos, just compare the total distance on the tacho's
with the total distance as registred by the black box. Another advantage is
if they tamper with it the black box does register this as "rest" which
means; no pay.
ABS
>We have put both speed limiter as black box on the same fuse. If drivers
>want to tamper with it's quite easy to detect, you don't even have to have a
>close look at the tachos, just compare the total distance on the tacho's
>with the total distance as registred by the black box. Another advantage is
>if they tamper with it the black box does register this as "rest" which
>means; no pay.
Well no pay?
Sometimes I'll put my tachograaf on rest when unloading or loading my
truck ... just so that the disc is according the RTW (driving hours
law) ..... no pay You say???
Why should a driver want to tamper with a tacho?
It's in ... tjonge dat engels zeg ... maar het is in het voordeel van
de werkgever wilde ik zeggen!!!
(the employer has the benifit of it)
Angelique
Asphalt Junkie
ABS heeft geschreven in bericht <6t3sr3$ink$1...@news.worldonline.nl>...
*"Asphalt Junkie" <asphalt...@usa.net> wrote:
*
*>We have put both speed limiter as black box on the same fuse. If drivers
*>want to tamper with it's quite easy to detect, you don't even have to have
a
*>close look at the tachos, just compare the total distance on the tacho's
*>with the total distance as registred by the black box. Another advantage
is
*>if they tamper with it the black box does register this as "rest" which
*>means; no pay.
*
*Well no pay?
*Sometimes I'll put my tachograaf on rest when unloading or loading my
*truck ... just so that the disc is according the RTW (driving hours
*law) ..... no pay You say???
*
*Why should a driver want to tamper with a tacho?
*It's in ... tjonge dat engels zeg ... maar het is in het voordeel van
*de werkgever wilde ik zeggen!!!
* (the employer has the benifit of it)
*
*
*Angelique
*
No Liq, what I ment was tampering with the speed limiter either by switching
the ignition key slightly (Scania -3 series) or removing fuse No. 12
(Scania -3 and -4 series) will both have the same effect on the black box,
it wil register the time while the speed limiter is switched off as "rest",
However the tachograph will offcourse still register. As drivers are being
paid according to the hours registerd by the black box, they will think
twice before they'll switch of the speed limitor.
Marco
*
*
montana
Hate to tell you buddy, but CB's also save lifes, help keep from getting
stuck in places we aren't supposed to be, keep us out of wrecks and many 4
wheelers who carry them also. Not only that, but it wil also radio an
officer for emergencies as well for many of them run cb's in their cruisers
and personal vehickles. Instead of loking at the bad, which really are very
few, try looking at the good-it far outnumbers the bad and I'll bet $5, you
probably swear too. The advantage to a cb if you don't want to listen to
it, is that it has an off/on switch.
ABS
>No Liq, what I ment was tampering with the speed limiter either by switching
>the ignition key slightly (Scania -3 series) or removing fuse No. 12
>(Scania -3 and -4 series) will both have the same effect on the black box,
>it wil register the time while the speed limiter is switched off as "rest",
>However the tachograph will offcourse still register.
By the way what does fuse No 14 do???
I thought that would "kill" the speed limiter ... ???
Must be wrong there ...
And DAF ... how can you "kill" the speed limiter there ?
I'm was told you had to hold (switch) the engnition key for a few
seconds and the computer will turn the thing off ...
> As drivers are being
>paid according to the hours registerd by the black box, they will think
>twice before they'll switch of the speed limitor.
No I know what you ment ... snelheidsbegrenzer ... but don't they
have to pay the speed fines themselves???
But your right ... killing the speedlimitor ... why do that anyway ?
If you have to do that there must be something wrong with the guy
(m/v) who laysout the trips (planner) for the drivers.
And you don't win that much time anyway ...
jbradl...@gmail.com
> On 30 Aug 1998 04:55:02 GMT, sc...@aol.com (SCHT3) wrote:
>
> >
> >the ignition key
> >>is<BR>
> >>vehicle you're trying to overtake.<BR>
> >>Be careful if you try this at night because some trucks have the lights<BR>
> >>wired through the ignition.:-(<BR>
> >>Also on some vehicles it doesn't do the alternator any good.
> >
> >THIS IS ABOUT AS STUPID AS IT GETS,
> >PLEASE PUT YOUR NAME ON YOUR TRUCK SO ANY NORMAL DRIVER CAN PULL OVER WHEN YOU
> >DECIDE TO PERFORM THIS TRICK , i know i was raising my voice but is was
> >justified i think
> two trucks it was done on! and as soon as i see one of the guys again
> i am going to ask how they did it, there trucks are the same as my
> truck and they can blow my doors off. one of them told me the basics
> of it but he just said a wire on the back of the transmission.... well
> there are 4 wires white green red and black, i just thought someone
