HouseHold Movers Guide Mileage?
Mike Maldonado
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So You Wanna Become a Truck Driver!
..Until payday that is. What's This? You're only getting paid for 2900
miles, when your log book says you actually drove about 3200! This is
because the company is paying you based on something called HouseHold
Movers Guide Mileage. Welcome to the World of Trucking!!
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Can Someone explain HousHold Movers Guide Mileage??
TY Much For The Help!
Mike of New York City
http://members.spree.com/new_york/
Jack Everman
Mike Maldonado wrote in message <6dasbs$fj8$1...@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net>...
Can Someone explain HouseHold Movers Guide Mileage??
TY Much For The Help!
Mike of New York City
It's a standardized calculation of the distances between points. It's also
just about the most common way that shippers calculate mileage, when the
rate for a shipment is mile based (as opposed to CWT, flat rates, etc.) HHG
(household goods) miles are about the shortest distances you'll find, and
treats towns of any size as one spot-- no matter how far north or south you
actually have to run in that town.
It's a uniform way of determining the distances between points. A smart
person, when setting a mile based rate with HHG miles, will make sure the
difference between the book and reality is covered by the rate-- and the
extra miles.
I personally doubt that the employer is actually running the HHG miles for
the driver who originally asked the question-- if they're using the computer
version of the HHG book, it's costing them a chunk of money just to make a
driver's settlement. There are other mileage programs out there that don't
charge per lookup, that can be almost as thin as HHG miles.
Bigger question: is the driver taking a longer route (to avoid tolls, go
around large cities, etc.), and, is the boss being fair with his math?
Safety First,
Jack
Mike Maldonado
Jump4568
Mike ... It is the full truck load industry standard measuring the paid miles
between points. it is calculated from city line to city line.
Lets say you have a load from Detroit to Cincinnati. It pays a ficticious 500
miles ( it is shorter than that) In reality the truck needs to drive 510 miles
to get there. You drive 510 miles but you only get paid for 500. 500 is the
house hold movers guide set miles for that freight movement. That is the
milage the company calculates to send the bill to the guy whos freight you are
moving.
You drove 2% more than what you get paid for. No big deal. It is the industry
standard. It has been the industry standard since I have been in this
industry. Some are now pissed and are trying to rock the boat to get people
pissed about it. It will do not good... it is the recognized industry
standard.
the industry tries to make up for this short fall by offering a higher set pay
per mile. Let me give you an example. Dana pays by the hub, which is actual
miles. They pay .30 Schneider pays by household movers guide which is up to
.365. Again, use me as an example. I get .355 per mile. that 500 mile load
above will pay the dana driver 510 miles X .30 or $153.00 The schneider driver
drives the same 510 miles but only gets paid for 500 but it is at .355 per mile
or 500 x .355= $177.50
Drivers for many years have been fighting for higher and higher pay in the
truck load industry. Companys have had to funnel profits into infrastructure
to grow. Now, per mile incomes have come up considerably yet that is not good
enough for some. they still want more money and they believe that actual miles
should be paid along with these new higher per mile pay checks. they wantit
all. they want that 510 actual mile run to pay both 510 and .355 per mile or
$181.05!! That would be $22.63 per hour. Not even the big three auto makers
can afford to pay that.
There are constants in the truckload business. Some like to buck the system.
brian
TTruckr23
RM's practical mileage seems to be more accurate for me. There's many times
that the miles I've gone & the miles predicted are exactly the same.If they're
not, it's usually no more then 1% off and I adjust my rate accordingly. I
actually took a jaunt last week that was 5 miles shorter by the meter then the
practical mileage said. Bonanza time.
TTruckr23 @AOL Dot Com
Drive safe
If the shipper ships it late
It'll still be late when you get there.
TTruckr23
Brian wrote: "....they still want more money and they believe that actual miles
should be paid along with these new higher per mile pay checks. they wantit
all. they want that 510 actual mile run to pay both 510 and .355 per mile or
$181.05!! That would be $22.63 per hour. Not even the big three auto makers
can afford to pay that. "
Gosh, get paid for what you actually do? A novel idea.
If the Big 3, or anyone else, was paying for ALL work done in addition to any
mileage run, then $22.63 per hour just may be a bit high. But with carriers
charging, and paying, by the mile and not the hour, it's not a factor in their
calculations. As you should be aware, that 510 mile run will never take the
exact same time each trip so hourly pay calculations will vary each time.
Though in this line of business, with the donation of time that many drivers
do, payment for ALL miles isn't really a concept that a majority of the
carriers seem to be able to comprehend.
I betcha the Big 3 wouldn't get away with the "free" time work that the
carriers seem to be able to extract from their drivers. Regardless of the
hourly rate.
Chuck
On 1 Mar 1998 14:59:37 GMT, ttru...@aol.com (TTruckr23) wrote:
>Brian wrote: "....they still want more money and they believe that actual miles
>should be paid along with these new higher per mile pay checks. they wantit
>all. they want that 510 actual mile run to pay both 510 and .355 per mile or
>$181.05!! That would be $22.63 per hour. Not even the big three auto makers
>can afford to pay that. "
Brian's momma sure taught him to count funny!
How many places in the country can a driver consistently complete a
510 mile run in _EIGHT_ hours????? Day in, day out, the year
around???? That is the time that the $22.63/hr. figure is derived
from, is it not???? That is an _AVERAGE_ speed of 63.75 mph!!!! Who
in the hell do you think reads these posts in here ... a bunch of
idiots that can't count?? A bunch of rookies that have no coception of
how long it takes to complete a run?? A bunch of morons that have no
don't count the addtional time that is involved in hooks/drops/
chaining up/ vehicle checks/ making out paperwork [including logs],
fueling up, and on and on and on and on!!! ????
That's number one. Then, if you want to talk about the auto workers,
just whose job requres more responsibility ... a nut counter in a auto
plant or a driver sitting in front of a 48,000 pound load? Then
consider that the auto worker is still being paid his hourly rate
while washing up, changing clothes, in some cases while he eats lunch
and so on. Then, consider that all time on the clock is paid AND THAT
ALL TIME IN EXESS OF EIGHT HOURS IN A SHIFT OR 40 HOURS IN A WEEK ARE
PAID AT PREMIUM RATES ... TIME-AND-A-HALF, DOUBLE TIME, AND IN SOME
INSTANCE TRIPLE AND QUADRIPLE TIME. Add in the holiday pay and etc,,
and_MANY_ auto workers are averaging _more_ than any $22.63/hr! I'll
guarantee you that _most_ auto workers are showing more gross income
at the end of the year than are _most_ truck drivers .... and the auto
workers earned that gross income by putting in a hell of a lot less of
their lives on the job than did _most_ truckers.
And you then want to cry crocodile tears because a driver suggests
that he/she should be paid for all the miles that he/she runs!!!
You, sir, are _SICK_!
Just when in the hell are you drivers going to realize that you're
being had ... _BIG_TIME_!!!!
Is this the "Brian" that is making all that loot recruiting for
Schneider? ;o) What is it now, Brian .. $500.00 a head???? Talk about
a suck!
Alistair Lowe
Actually, as far as I know, the mileage is calculated by the Rand McNally
Household Movers Mileage guide. Trying to get a copy is another story.
If you are running 3200 miles according to your odometer, and the guide
says XXXXXX, your odometer may be slightly out of calibration, and if
your's (probably) is not, many drivers odometers may be. Thus, everyone
started using one guide, and that's that!! If I find a copy of this gude
I'll let you know. Question?? - Why isn't there a Rand McNally Freight
Mileage Guide, and who the hell measures this stuss anyway????
Mike Maldonado wrote:
> From http://home.att.net/~pborn ~~>
> So You Wanna Become a Truck Driver!
>
> ..Until payday that is. What's This? You're only getting paid for 2900
> miles, when your log book says you actually drove about 3200! This is
> because the company is paying you based on something called HouseHold
> Movers Guide Mileage. Welcome to the World of Trucking!!
> ******************************************************
>
> Can Someone explain HousHold Movers Guide Mileage??
>
> TY Much For The Help!
>
ELAINE EDWARDS
If you want to know more on the h.c.g then call them @703-683-7410.
the price is not cheap for a copy( I think we paid $300.000 for the '97
issue).
Alistair Lowe
Actually, we should all check out the local software stores, as I'm sure
there's a copy on CD somewhere's. But I sure as hell ain't paying 300
clams! Maybe one will just disappear from a clients dospatch room. <hee
hee>
Alistair
Linda L Lance
I bought pcmiler version 11 ($1,300) I also have rand mcnally mile maker
$300 for 500 inquaries. ask your company what they pay practial, shortest,
toll discouraged or national network. ask if they are paying you zip code
to zip code or city to city. Big differances in mileage in just the stroke
of the key. I plan my routes with pcmiler set to practial, zip code to zip
code and I usually drive less miles than it actually says.
