Power Divider Lock
Anthony Perryman
Can any one explain the purpose or function ? Type real slow as I'm not
real mechanical. Thanks.
BEEFCAKE
is similar to a 4-wheel drive on a four wheeler.The divider is between the
front drive axle and the rear axle.when you flip the swich on the dash it
pushes the male end on the divider to the female end in the rear axle and
engages it.It should only be used in mud, heavy snow,and when a wheel is
spinning(never engage it when a wheel is spinning though.if you do that you
will shock load the rear axle and ruin a rear end which is about 2000$ to
4000$ to fix).The power divider should never be engagued at speeds over 45
mph you can also ruin a rearend by doing this.It is a life saver on steep
curves when you have a wheel spinning you just stop all the wheels spinning
and flip your power divider,and go then dis-engaguge the divider and away
you go.Or you are in mud(god knows why your in the mud in your truck?) and
you get stuck.You once again stop all wheels spinning,and once again flip
your power divider and away you go and head to the Blue Beacon to clean your
muddy ride.And last but not least your are up North and dropping and
hooking.The parking lot is snowy and you are spinning once again.Flip your
power divider and away you go bobtail and hook to your trailer.Never run
over long distances with it engagued,ON DRY SURFACES IT SHOULD NEVER BE USED
EXCEPT FOR VERY SHORT DISTANCES.to correct a situation where a wheel is
spinning.And never forget NEVER engaguge it when a wheel is spinngin
STOP,ENGAUGE,get out of the situation,and DISENGAGUGE.It is a great thing on
a truck that may keep you from calling a wrecker,but if you misuse it you
will need a wrecker.
BEEFCAKE
Anthony Perryman wrote in message
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John Schmidt
Perryman) wrote:
>
>Can any one explain the purpose or function ? Type real slow as I'm not
>real mechanical. Thanks.
>
I'll give it a shot. The reason for the power divider is to lock both
drive axles together when driving on slick roads. The interaxle
differential is locked out, enabling at least one wheel on each axle
to pull. If the differential is not locked out, the wheel on the hog
snot will spin, but the wheels on dry ground will just sit there doing
nothing. On dry pavement the lockout is not used or needed because
power is transferred to both axles equally anyway. Make sure the
wheels are not spinning when you use the interlock switch. Bad things
can and will happen to the gears, such as becoming busted, if the
lockout is engaged when only one wheel is turning. Also, spinning the
wheels without using the lockout can burn up the power divider
differential, especially on early versions. They didn't have the oil
pump to keep the gears greased. Oil pumps have been built into the
differentials for many years, so unless you drive a really old
vehicle, you probably won't have to worry about burnout. You can
disengage the lockout without stopping. Just move the switch and let
off the throttle for an instance. Don't drive real fast when using
the power divider, especially on slick roads. You can turn the
steering wheel, but with both axles locked together, the vehicle wants
to keep going straight.
BDSPRD
>Date: 11/20/98 8:51 PM Eastern Standard Time
>I'll give it a shot.
> If the differential is not locked out, the wheel on the hog
>snot will spin,
What part of Kentucky are you from son?
Hog snot?...Anything like them "mountain oysters?"...sheesh...
The power divider should also be used when picking up a heavy trailer and
sliding tractor fifth wheel (hopefully you`ve lowered the landing gear) and/or
trailer tandems...
T Scott Methvin
rear drive axle to turn at the same speed. It is useful, for one
example, if when dropping or hooking to a trailer and either the front
or rear drive wheels wind up in mud. The power divider doesn't help if
the drives on the left or right spin, except it may allow the wheels to
spin in the mud at the same speed.
Imagine a part-time 4 wheel drive car. If imaginary car is in 2wd and
the drive axle is in mud, when you apply power, you will spin the wheels
and go nowhere. If you engage 4wd (lock out the power divider) and
apply power, the axle in mud will not be able to spin faster than the
axle with traction (it won't be able to rob the driving power). The
axle with traction will pull the car. But, in my experience the power
divider doesn't help when the wheels on both axles on the left or right
side are spinning.
scott
Tony
divider to slide a fifth wheel.....somethings wrong.....spin a wheel with it
locked in and it could shear the input shaft in a second.......not me!!!
BDSPRD
>Date: 11/22/98 12:28 AM Eastern Standard Time
>how many power dividers have you been through? If you need to lock in a power
>divider to slide a fifth wheel.....somethings wrong.....spin a wheel with it
>locked in and it could shear the input shaft in a second.......not me!!!
Hunh???
Another seasoned veteran who has never received proper componet instruction...
John Schmidt
<dougl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Or you are in mud(god knows why your in the mud in your truck?)
>
Drive a pulpwood truck in South Georgia.
BDSPRD
><dougl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Or you are in mud(god knows why your in the mud in your truck?)
>>
>From: rat...@hotmail.com (John Schmidt)
>Date: 11/22/98 12:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Drive a pulpwood truck in South Georgia.
It just goes to show you the lack of experience driver...why would the power
divider be on there in the first place?
Sheesh...
Tony
one.....call me what you will...but I never heard of locking in a power divider to
slide a fifth wheel......if I am wrong on this prove it to me...lets hear from
others on this matter.....
Tony
BDSPRD
>BDSPRD.....it certainly is'nt for sliding a fifth
>wheel......mud...yeah......sheesh....
Tony...I can see from your rearrangement of my words that you are a real
card...
Bet your parents were really proud of you...
BDSPRD
>I wonder where you ever received "proper component instruction" on this
>one.....call me what you will...but I never heard of locking in a power
>divider to
>slide a fifth wheel......
Well Tony...it is obvious you haven`t been instructed in many areas...the main
being common sense...
John Schmidt
>>On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:28:40 -0800, "BEEFCAKE"
>><dougl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>Or you are in mud(god knows why your in the mud in your truck?)
>>>
>
>>From: rat...@hotmail.com (John Schmidt)
>>Date: 11/22/98 12:24 AM Eastern Standard Time
>
>>Drive a pulpwood truck in South Georgia.
>
>It just goes to show you the lack of experience driver...why would the power
>divider be on there in the first place?
>
>Sheesh...
Please clarify the "sheesh" and "lack of experience driver" comments.
I have driven pulpwood trucks in South Georgia. Without an operating
power divider, you're dead in the water. I also drove for many years
on the big road before going to the woods.
Ken Anthony
to keep me from getting stuck.
I haul coal with a dump trailer in western Pa. A coal mine or Strip mine
can be the worstpossible place to take a semi at times, Usually the
muck, mud and sludge is 1 to 2 feet deep in places., not to mention the
haul roads wick would make the Pa pike feel like you are riding on air.
(broke three teeth bouncing on a rocky haul road with a 20% grade.)
Ken Anthony
use the power divider to drop and hook, and to slide the tandems and
fifth wheel. It gves you equal power to all wheels when doing this and
reduces the risk of spinning a heel which could bust an axle (I have
done this once) or tear out the driveline.
JUST SPEAKIN MY MIND,
MUTTLEY
Karl & Sharyn Rice
What Moron locks in a power divider to slide a fifth wheel?
Nailbender of Kitten's Trucking
BDSPRD wrote in message <19981122172024...@ng135.aol.com>...
Ken Anthony
divider it cannot possibly give you more torque! The Torque comes from
the engine and not the drive train. If you engage te power divider it
distributes the torque equally between all four sets of wheels instead
of 1 or 2 sets, which if you think about it, it gives you less actual
torque to all sets of wheels than it would to 1 or 2 sets. The point is
you get even torque between all wheels. If you have all your torque sent
to 1 axle it will snap much easier than if you have the torque sent
equally to 4 axles.
DON'T TORQUE ME OFF ON THIS SUBJECT. I KMOW PLENTY ABOUT TORQUE, BRAKE
HORSEPOWER, AND POWER DISTRIBUTION. LOL
MUTTLEY
Tony
Tony
User198
the hiss of air when he flips the switch. alot of times when i'm running on the
big road i'll flip the switch for the fifth wheel release and power divider
lock just to see the light come on and to hear hear the air noise. Also I like
to dump the air from the suspension when rollling down the highway. Guess I
like to hear the alarm go off and the ride get rougher. Gotta do something to
stay awake.
Kntreman
BDSPRD
>Date: 11/22/98 6:43 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Please clarify the "sheesh" and "lack of experience driver" comments.
That was not directed at you driver, but to the origional poster...
BDSPRD
>Date: 11/22/98 8:30 PM Eastern Standard Time
>What Moron locks in a power divider to slide a fifth wheel?
>Nailbender of Kitten's Trucking
>
Well...to someone who claims to have never logged a fuel stop, I believe the
term moron belongs with you...
Another "truck dweller"....
BDSPRD
>Unless you want to try to make me understand where you are coming from, this
>is my
>last word on this matter to you.
Oh, I seriously doubt that...
>Locking in a power divider to slide any portion of the fifth wheel or trailer
>puts
>way to much torque on the drivetrain components.
Can you explain the theory you are referring to here? If this was true,
manufacturers wouldn`t make a power divider available...
>If it does'nt slide with little
>effort, then something could very well wind up damaged from such force.
Exactly my point...you distribute the power EVENLY among the wheel ends to not
put too much stress on any individual component...
>I have
>never heard of such a thing, and I read all the rags, particuarly those
>pertaining
>to the mechanics of trucks.
You might try reading manufacturer`s tech material and leave the Super Trucker
Mags alone...
> I own several trucks, and if I ever heard of one of my
>driver's doing such a thing, he would be fired in a heartbeat.
Sounds like you would be doing them a favor...
>Please don't attack me by just saying "another seasoned veteran who
>is not instructed on component use" and then not rising to the challenge.
The fact is, most drivers have never been properly instructed on proper useage
of power dividers and the subsequent abuse that results...
Why do you think Mack went to a clutch system whereby it is brought into play
automatically before component damage results?
>Attacking me does not make your position any
>stronger. That's the way a child argues.
Get real...
BDSPRD
>Date: 11/22/98 7:37 PM Eastern Standard Time
>When i went through schnieder training they pounded it into our head to
>use the power divider to drop and hook, and to slide the tandems and
>fifth wheel.
>t gves you equal power to all wheels when doing this and
>reduces the risk of spinning a heel which could bust an axle (I have
>done this once) or tear out the driveline.
Thank you driver....we have one that was properly trained...a safety and
operations department that actually instructs the driver in correct component
useage before the driver drops a component and is subsequently fired for
equipment abuse...
There are training films available from component vendors...
Might be better reading than Super Trucker Magazine...
BDSPRD
>OK...now I know where this concept came from......
No...the concept came from the designers of the power divider...
But now with the availability of traction control combined with the ABS
system...power dividers may become a thing of the past on road equipment...
John Schmidt
To Bdsprd (bedspread?): I appreciate the reply. The way my news
reader (Free Agent) groups the threads, it's sometimes difficult to
match the reply messages with the posts I'm replying to.
Tony
John Schmidt
Have you thought about those driver controlled locking differentials?
I don't know who makes them, Eaton or Rockwell, maybe both. All four
wheels on the drivers pull, not just one wheel on each axle as happens
with most power divider setups. They are for slow speeds only because
the truck doesn't want to turn easily when the locker is engaged. The
danged thing wants to keep going straight, but you already know about
that phenomenon, being a dumper driver.
John Schmidt
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>Unless you want to try to make me understand where you are coming from, this is my
>last word on this matter to you. I don't think you can, which proves my point.
>Locking in a power divider to slide any portion of the fifth wheel or trailer puts
>way to much torque on the drivetrain components. If it does'nt slide with little
>effort, then something could very well wind up damaged from such force. I have
>never heard of such a thing, and I read all the rags, particuarly those pertaining
>to the mechanics of trucks. I own several trucks, and if I ever heard of one of my
>driver's doing such a thing, he would be fired in a heartbeat. If you have a
>reasonable view on this matter, I challenge you to submit it or do the gentlemanly
>thing and say that maybe you are wrong on this. I will be glad to post my apology
>if I am wrong. Please don't attack me by just saying "another seasoned veteran who
>is not instructed on component use" and then not rising to the challenge. In
>short....put up or shut up!!! Attacking me does not make your position any
>stronger. That's the way a child argues.
>
>BDSPRD wrote:
>
>> >From: Tony <"Nospam alpro"@bellsouth.net>
>> >Date: 11/22/98 4:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>
>> >I wonder where you ever received "proper component instruction" on this
>> >one.....call me what you will...but I never heard of locking in a power
>> >divider to
>> >slide a fifth wheel......
>>
>> Well Tony...it is obvious you haven`t been instructed in many areas...the main
>> being common sense...
>
>
Tony,
You evidently don't own any tandem drive Macks. Most Mack trucks use
an automatic power divider. The driver doesn't have any control over
the operation of it. Mack does make a driver controlled power
divider, but I believe all the switch does is enable the power divider
to stay engaged all the time. If you don't use the switch, the
automatic engagement comes into play when necessary. If one wheel
slips for whatever reason, hooking up, dropping, snow, etc., the other
wheels start pulling all by themselves. If the driver finds himself
in a situation where one wheel is off the ground, just tap the foot
brake, the power divider will engage and let the other wheels do the
pulling. Of course, with a regular power divider, Rockwell, Eaton
axles for instance, just flip the dash switch and drive off whatever
is holding the wheel off the ground. Stumps in the woods come to
mind. As the saying goes, been there, done that. Mack does use a lot
of double reduction differentials, so the torque load is spread over
several gears.
BDSPRD
>I wonder BDSPRD....how long have you been driving? and where did you receive
>your knowledge on proper sliding techniques, the Mack clutch system, and
>power
>divider use?
Driver, I have been around heavy trucks since 1967, where I started with
deuce-and-halfs...
I received my "training" early on with tandem dumps-65000lbs. gross where I
live...ran all week...fixed them all weekend...had plenty to do as there were
several drivers with your attitude .
>I would
appreciate the name of the particular video source and
>manufacturer that you say will inform me on my obvious ignorance on this
>matter.
Instructional videos(useage and repair maintenance) can be sourced from
component vendors-Rockwell- Eaton/Dana, etc.
Can you find their site or do I have to hold your hand on this one too?
>And again....can you not respond without looking like a two year old
>when challenged?
No...You said you were going to drop the subject...why do you think the
nation`s third largest carrier instructs their drivers on proper equipment
useage? (As do most other LARGE fleets)
>I asked you to respond with some substantial offer of your
>stance on this, and you have failed to do so.
I did sir...have to spell it out for you?
>I stated before that if I am
>wrong, I will gladly apologize.
I don`t care if you apologize or not...my only concern is that old wives tales
not be spread among the "new breed"...
>Apparently, Schneider is instructing their
>drivers on this method of use, and if it has basis, then maybe I am wrong.
This is how most LARGE fleets feel about driver education...I wish I had the
time to tell you of the many misconceptions I had when new...
You learn as you go sir...
>There is no need to attack people who challenge your opinion on matters, as
>we
>all have things to learn.
I didn`t attack you sir...only brought up another point of view...
> So don't take it personally, after all, you could
>still be wrong even though the sacred Schneider instructed you to do this.
I never drove for Schneider sir...they don`t pay enough...
>I am
>going to contact my dealer this week and get a clearcut answer on this with
>some documentation to present to this group by Thursday......till then.
Don`t take dealer personnel word for anything...in most cases they have
recieved less training than you...
In the back of your chassis manufacturers shop manual...you do have one don`t
you?...is the addresses and order forms for tech material(s) straight from the
vendor(s)...
So touchy...sheesh!
BDSPRD
>Date: 11/22/98 11:56 PM Eastern Standard Time
>I disagree.
To what driver AND service tech?
> If you engage te power divider it
>distributes the torque equally between all four sets of wheels instead
>of 1 or 2 sets,
EXACTLY..wasn`t this what the Schneider driver was referring to?
Hookt on fonix...Workt fer mee!!!
>The point is
>you get even torque between all wheels. If you have all your torque sent
>to 1 axle it will snap much easier than if you have the torque sent
>equally to 4 axles.
Thank you driver AND tech...this should settle the issue...but just wait and
see what happens...
Should I bring up the issue of clutchless shifting being considered as driver
abuse of equipment?
Naw...I`m tired of this argument already!
BDSPRD
>Date: 11/22/98 11:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
>To Bdsprd (bedspread?): I appreciate the reply. The way my news
>reader (Free Agent) groups the threads, it's sometimes difficult to
>match the reply messages with the posts I'm replying to.
You owe no apology sir...someone was playing games with their cut and paste
feature...it was my lack of clarification that caused the misunderstanding...
Karl & Sharyn Rice
BDSPRD wrote in message
>
>Well...to someone who claims to have never logged a fuel stop, I believe
the
>term moron belongs with you...
>
>Another "truck dweller"....
Now, why is that? You can fuel, meal, and break all at the same time. You
can go off duty for all of it. As long as the company okays it. Now if you
are a company driver, they probably won't okay it. But if you drive by the
mile, and you are not a company driver, then chances are they will okay you
not to log fuel stops.
RJS
a power divider lock' come on guys there is allot more important things to
discuss
Ken Anthony wrote in message
<28539-365...@newsd-211.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
I disagree. As A driver and a service tech. If you engage the power
divider it cannot possibly give you more torque! The Torque comes from
the engine and not the drive train. If you engage te power divider it
distributes the torque equally between all four sets of wheels instead
of 1 or 2 sets, which if you think about it, it gives you less actual
torque to all sets of wheels than it would to 1 or 2 sets. The point is
you get even torque between all wheels. If you have all your torque sent
to 1 axle it will snap much easier than if you have the torque sent
equally to 4 axles.
DON'T TORQUE ME OFF ON THIS SUBJECT. I KMOW PLENTY ABOUT TORQUE, BRAKE
BDSPRD
>You can fuel, meal, and break all at the same time. You
>can go off duty for all of it. As long as the company okays it
Hunh?
Can you give me the section of FMCSR 49CFR that allows you to physically fuel a
truck and show it as off duty...must`ve missed something in the translation...
>Now if you
>are a company driver, they probably won't okay it.
OK...In other words you are saying that being a lease-driver you are exempt
from HOS regulations?
>But if you drive by the
>mile, and you are not a company driver, then chances are they will okay you
>not to log fuel stops.
You know...someone who actually believes something like this is really scary...
Now let me see if I understand this correctly....
Work ninety hours a week...log seventy...get paid for fifty...
Hmm...makes sense to me!
Do you have one of those FHWA exemption stickers displayed next to the CVSA
inspection decal on your windshield? Ought to sell them over the net...be able
to retire in a few months...
Sheesh...
Randy & Mary Jackson
> Now, why is that? You can fuel, meal, and break all at the same time.
> You
> can go off duty for all of it. As long as the company okays it. Now if
> you
> are a company driver, they probably won't okay it. But if you drive by
> the
> mile, and you are not a company driver, then chances are they will
> okay you
> not to log fuel stops.
> Nailbender of Kitten's Trucking
These good folks are certainly going to be rudely discomforted by the
AFGO experience presented to them during their first DOT Audit. Bring
on the Preperation -H.
Oh, if you drive long enough, some nite you will be trying to hook up to
a trailer out in the far back, in the dark, off the gravel, waay back
part of some yard, snowing, raining, sleeting, (take your pick) ,
you might remember that little switch on the dash.
Randy Jackson
Tony
divider to slide a fifth wheel. I have never heard of doing so and BDSPRD maintains
this is proper procedure.....where the Macks came into this I don't know....
John Schmidt wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:10:31 GMT, Tony <"Nospam alpro"@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
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> >Unless you want to try to make me understand where you are coming from, this is my
> >last word on this matter to you. I don't think you can, which proves my point.
> >Locking in a power divider to slide any portion of the fifth wheel or trailer puts
> >way to much torque on the drivetrain components. If it does'nt slide with little
> >effort, then something could very well wind up damaged from such force. I have
> >never heard of such a thing, and I read all the rags, particuarly those pertaining
> >to the mechanics of trucks. I own several trucks, and if I ever heard of one of my
> >driver's doing such a thing, he would be fired in a heartbeat. If you have a
> >reasonable view on this matter, I challenge you to submit it or do the gentlemanly
> >thing and say that maybe you are wrong on this. I will be glad to post my apology
> >if I am wrong. Please don't attack me by just saying "another seasoned veteran who
> >is not instructed on component use" and then not rising to the challenge. In
> >short....put up or shut up!!! Attacking me does not make your position any
> >stronger. That's the way a child argues.
> >
> >BDSPRD wrote:
> >
> >> >From: Tony <"Nospam alpro"@bellsouth.net>
Tony
all four wheels to pull to start with.......truck rear ends are not
posi-traction, or auto locking. .......and I still maintain that locking in
a power divider increases the chance of something being damaged due to too
much stress if you spin a wheel. If you drop the dolly legs, and let the air
out of the air bags (if so equiped), and release fifth wheel, it should
require minimal effort to slide, which makes me wonder why anyone would need
to use equal power to do such a thing. Using that logic, then why not lock
it in on hills, starting from redlights etc., since I am sure that those
situations create as much need for equalization of torque to prevent
snapping an axle. I have requested some material from Eaton on proper use of
the rear ends...should have it this week.....to hopefully close this
subject, at least in my mind. Torque was a bad word in this case.....maybe I
should have said "force". Having also worked in off road use of trucks in
the past....We had more axles snapped while both rear ends were locked in
than not.....if they spin, and suddenly gain traction, it makes not
difference if the power divider is locked in or not, somethings gonna
give........
BDSPRD
Tony...Tony...Tony...sigh...
>Well correct me if I am wrong..
OK
>but locking the power divider does not lock
>all four wheels to pull to start with.......truck rear ends are not
>posi-traction, or auto locking.
Correct...but they can be spec`d as such...
>and I still maintain that locking in
>a power divider increases the chance of something being damaged due to too
>much stress if you spin a wheel.
Nope...driver abuse causes that...
>If you drop the dolly legs, and let the air
>out of the air bags (if so equiped), and release fifth wheel, it should
>require minimal effort to slide,
Not everyone has chicken trucks...
>which makes me wonder why anyone would need
>to use equal power to do such a thing.
Your reasoning makes me wonder...
>Using that logic, then why not lock
>it in on hills, starting from redlights etc., since I am sure that those
>situations create as much need for equalization of torque to prevent
>snapping an axle.
Not necessarily...
>I have requested some material from Eaton on proper use of
>the rear ends...should have it this week.....to hopefully close this
>subject, at least in my mind.
Thank God!
>Having also worked in off road use of trucks in
>the past....We had more axles snapped while both rear ends were locked in
>than not...
And how much fuel pressure were you applying?
>if they spin, and suddenly gain traction, it makes not
>difference if the power divider is locked in or not, somethings gonna
>give........
Not if you are in a low reduction gear and have the sense to "feel" slippage,
let off the fuel pressure and try to get another grip...
Or do you just give her Hell and let her rip?
According to your logic, the power divider should never have been thought of...
BDSPRD
>No I don't own a Mack.....the original debate was in reference to locking in
>a power
>divider to slide a fifth wheel.
A Mack bogie does this automatically...
>where the Macks came into this I don't know....
It`s called an illustration of a point...
Karl & Sharyn Rice
BDSPRD wrote in message <19981124012642...@ng131.aol.com>...
>>From: "Karl & Sharyn Rice" <karl...@gte.net>
>>Date: 11/23/98 6:38 AM Eastern Standard Time
>
>>You can fuel, meal, and break all at the same time. You
>>can go off duty for all of it. As long as the company okays it
>
>Hunh?
>
>Can you give me the section of FMCSR 49CFR that allows you to physically
fuel a
>truck and show it as off duty...must`ve missed something in the
translation...
(I don't have it on top of my head. I will look it up and get it for you
asap)
>
>>Now if you
>>are a company driver, they probably won't okay it.
>
>OK...In other words you are saying that being a lease-driver you are exempt
>from HOS regulations?
>
(No, I didn't say that a lease driver is exempt.)
>>But if you drive by the
>>mile, and you are not a company driver, then chances are they will okay
you
>>not to log fuel stops.
>
>You know...someone who actually believes something like this is really
scary...
>
>Now let me see if I understand this correctly....
>
>Work ninety hours a week...log seventy...get paid for fifty...
>
>Hmm...makes sense to me!
>
>Do you have one of those FHWA exemption stickers displayed next to the CVSA
>inspection decal on your windshield? Ought to sell them over the net...be
able
>to retire in a few months...
>
>Sheesh...
(Show me one lease driver that runs a legal log. And I will call them a liar
to their face.)
Tony
P.S. I don't know how the drivers were driving the trucks when they snapped axles....they all said they were just going slow and easy.....
BDSPRD
>Eaton rears.....It says that the power divider
>should be used in three situations....."on snow and ice" "mud or sand" " and
>uneven surfaces where extra traction is needed". No mention is made of
>locking in
>to slide fifth wheels or trailer.
What is the publication number?
>Thanks BDSPRD for not beating me up in last
>post.
Didn`t realize I was "beating you up"
I can be such an "animal" at times...8^)...
>I also asked a couple of mechanics about this, and they had differing views
>as we have in here.
You have to consider the source driver...and where they recieved their
training...mechanics are just like drivers...trained in different ways and
places and of course...they have their own opinions...
>Valid points are made on both sides. I concede that maybe
>there is some situations where this would be acceptable.
And I concede where the practice isn`t needed...as in picking up or sliding an
empty trailer...
>'m not sure what you
>meant by "chicken trucks". Most road trucks are air ride equipped now,
>although I
>am aware that some do not have a valve to evacuate air
You are obviously a young whipper snapper and haven`t seen all the sides of
trucking yet...if all of your driving experience is with long nose "Rooster
Cruisers" with dump valves, then there is no need for this "discussion" to go
any further...
>Sorry for my arrogance BDSPRD.
And for mine...
>I hope you can temper yours
>too, as it can be very unattractive.
Strange...I`ve had so many mention they love to see the fire in my eyes...
Truce?
Anyways...Scneider and many other large carriers instruct drivers in this
practice...so it has merit...agreed?
Truck460
In article <73jhg6$3ou$2...@news-2.news.gte.net>, "Karl & Sharyn Rice"
<karl...@gte.net> writes:
>
>(Show me one lease driver that runs a legal log. And I will call them a liar
>to their face.)
>Nailbender of Kitten's Trucking
>
Wrong again! Many lease driver log what they do and do what they log, just as
manyt company drivers do. There are many companies trying to comply, and
competing with those who don't. Don't give me that no one does it routine, it
wont wash. We have been running legal logs for several years now, and have been
owner operating for 3 months. Still logging the same way. By the way If you
have a letter authorising it from your company you can log ROUTINE RTEST AND
BREAK STOPS off duty. The Letter must state that you vehicle if parked safely
is not your responsibility. This does not give you the right to log FUELING the
truck off duty unless you always fuel at FULL SERVICE fuel stops and are not
required to pay for the fuel, (say instead the fuel stop calls the company and
they P O the fuel directly.)
Trucking is the only profession I know where people who are expected to work 70
hours a week think they should LIE about how much work they are doing in order
to work more hours!
Rusty Wade-kf4plg/Mary Wade-kf4plf Illegitimi non carborundum
When you OWN it, It's a new ball game!
http://nmdatamine.zianet.com/public/cyberterminal/r&m/index.html
BDSPRD
>Date: 11/25/98 9:58 AM Eastern Standard Time
>BDSPRD wrote in message
>>Can you give me the section of FMCSR 49CFR that allows you to physically
>fuel a
>>truck and show it as off duty...must`ve missed something in the
>translation...
>(I don't have it on top of my head. I will look it up and get it for you
>asap)
Yeah...well, tell you what driver...follow this URL...not only are the HOS
regulations in there but the official interpretations...please respond ASAP as
I seem to have the wrong outlook on FMCSR...
http://mcregis.fhwa.dot.gov/regtoc.htm
>(Show me one lease driver that runs a legal log. And I will call them a liar
>to their face.)
>Nailbender of Kitten's Trucking
EXACTLY MY POINT DRIVER!
As long as there are those willing to break the law running loads, the
situation will never improve in the industry...
How can Carrier A compete with Carrier B when they are trying to run legal and
pay a decent wage and Carrier B operates in total disregard for the
regulations?
Sheesh...
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BDSPRD
>Date: 11/26/98 11:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id:
>It's really good to see that you folks haven't changed at all.CB rambos
>to the end.Go gang , go.
>
Your web page is as exciting as my sex life...???...hmm...WAIT A MINUTE!
Truck460
>regulations in there but the official interpretations...please respond ASAP
>as
>I seem to have the wrong outlook on FMCSR...
>
>http://mcregis.fhwa.dot.gov/regtoc.htm
>
Well I couldn't find anything there to releive the driver of responsibility so
that they could log fueling as off duty. BUT I did find a link to the executive
secretariet so I sent the following e-mail to
margare...@fhwa.dot.gov
with the subject of
Request for official statment or information
Topic of interest:
It has been stated on the Misc.Transport.Trucking newsgroup on USENET that a
truck driver does not have to log time for fueling the truck.
Data:
As an interstate truck driver who is trying to comply with all the
regulations while still using my time wisely, I log all time spent fueling and
signing for or paying for Fuel as on duty not driving.
Several drivers have been posting that they never show fueling time. They
also further claim that they have a letter from their company stating that they
do not have to log this time as on duty not driving.
I have a letter from my company giving me release from responsibility for the
vehicle during routine rest and meal stops. But Our understanding is that
because the driver is involved in the fueling process they must log all time
spent fueling as on duty not driving.
Request:
Can someone give me any guidance on this. I read and reread the CFR on
drivers hours of service and cannot find anything that seems to specifically
address this in any way that would relieve the driver of the responsibility to
log this time on duty not driving.
Thank you
Rusty Wade
We'll see if I get an answer!
Tony
The use of the power divider that I stated came from a copy of the Owners manual
for one of the 1994 Kenworth 800's that I requested from my dealer here in
Chattanooga, Tn. The section was on the use of Eaton rears.
FYI.....been involved with trucking for more than 20years...in many
aspects.......refrigerated...dry...flat...logging....livestock....and even
"chickens" alive and dead. I've driven 'em, worked on 'em, and now I own 'em.
I don't profess to know it all...and I never will, but make no mistake, I'm no
"whippersnapper" either.
On one other note.....just because Schneider instructs a method to it's drivers,
it does'nt necessarily make it the correct one in all cases. It may be a policy
invoked by management for their own reasons, and/or experience. As I stated,
there may be some merit to the use of the power divider in cases where the driver
is not able to relieve all the weight off of the fifth wheel in order to adjust
it. 'nuff said....the truce is on.....
.mccaw
Tony wrote:
> Just had to jump in with my 3 cents worth [ Canadian currency].
If one wheel of a loaded drive axle spins and then grabs traction, the chances of
breaking something expensiveis almost a sure bet. If you lock up both drive axles the
chances of a wheel spinning out is greatly reduced because you would have to spin
TWO wheels, one on EACH axle. This is less apt to happen which greatly reduces the
chance of breaking something expensive. If Schnieder is instructing their drivers to
lock up when hooking up I would suspect it is to keep their less seasoned drivers[ ie
the ones who haven't developed that mechanical sense that most of them get by
breaking lots of stuff] from gaining that knowledge at their expense. Another case in
point, if you have ever drove a truck with Reyco 4 spring suspension across a lot
that wasn't pooltable flat you would be astounded at how easy it is to get hung over
a pothole that wouldn't hold 3 cups of water.
Kevin.
kritini
doubts at all. also it is good 2 know its working b4 u start running for
that hill every1 else is chaining up for. course i usually throw my iron on
1st anyway,...... drive safe down there ,--->Hermit
.
Jack W. Waters
gear. Now see if the front and rear wheels turn the same. Be sure to
mark the tires with chalk. You will notice one tire will turn faster
than the other. Therefore equal torque is not applied to all wheels.
