Adjacent capitals furthest apart?
Nathan Perry
Which capitals of two adjacent U.S. states are furthest apart by road,
using the most direct practical route? There may or may not be an
intervening state along the route, as long as the connected capitals are
in adjacent states.
And, which pair of capitals is furthest apart by a single Interstate
highway? Perhaps Nashville/Raleigh on I-40?
I suspect this gets more interesting if you substitute largest cities
for capitals. For single Interstate routes, I'm sure it's Los
Angeles/Portland on I-5, but there are also beasts like
Milwaukee/Detroit on I-94, with two intervening states.
Paul D. DeRocco
>
> Another mind-teaser:
>
> Which capitals of two adjacent U.S. states are furthest apart by road,
> using the most direct practical route? There may or may not be an
> intervening state along the route, as long as the connected capitals are
> in adjacent states.
It's a definitional problem. According to MSS&T, Phoenix to Sacramento is
about 755 miles, but Phoenix to Denver is about 770 miles. Are Arizona and
Colorado adjacent?
> And, which pair of capitals is furthest apart by a single Interstate
> highway? Perhaps Nashville/Raleigh on I-40?
I agree. That's about 540 miles. Second would be Sacramento to Salem, at
about 535.
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Garrett Wollman
Nathan Perry <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>Which capitals of two adjacent U.S. states are furthest apart by road,
>using the most direct practical route? There may or may not be an
>intervening state along the route, as long as the connected capitals are
>in adjacent states.
If we broaden the question somewhat and allow Canadian provinces and
territories as well, we have Juneau, Alaska to Victoria, B.C. at 1,033
miles (requires taking a couple of ferries); Quebec City to St. John's
at 1440 miles (also requires a ferry); Toronto to Winnipeg at 1272
miles (via Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, or a few miles longer
via an all-Canadian route); and Regina to Yellowknife, 1411 miles.
Within the U.S., Austin to Santa Fe is 710 miles. (Phoenix to Sacto
is still the winner at 754 miles.)
-GAWollman
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> > "Nathan Perry" <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote
>
> > Another mind-teaser:
>
> > Which capitals of two adjacent U.S. states are furthest apart by road,
> > using the most direct practical route? There may or may not be an
> > intervening state along the route, as long as the connected capitals are
> > in adjacent states.
>
> It's a definitional problem. According to MSS&T, Phoenix to Sacramento is
> about 755 miles, but Phoenix to Denver is about 770 miles. Are Arizona and
> Colorado adjacent?
>
> > And, which pair of capitals is furthest apart by a single Interstate
> > highway? Perhaps Nashville/Raleigh on I-40?
>
they are the furthers in the east.
now what are the closest in the west, no cheating
> I agree. That's about 540 miles. Second would be Sacramento to Salem, at
> about 535.
>
> --
>
> Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul mailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com
Sac to Phoenix wins
halork
If you consider Michigan and Minnesota adjacent over the water of Lake
Superior, St Paul to Lansing is 617 miles.
Rich Piehl
I don't have a map handy but what about Cheyenne to Helena? Or Cheyenne
to Boise?
H.B. Elkins
>
>Another mind-teaser:
>
>Which capitals of two adjacent U.S. states are furthest apart by road,
>using the most direct practical route? There may or may not be an
>intervening state along the route, as long as the connected capitals are
>in adjacent states.
The state capitol of Kentucky in Frankfort is 437 miles from the state capitol
of Missouri in Jefferson City via I-64, I-255, I-270, I-44 and US 50, and 443
miles via I-64 and I-70. You have to travel through the intervening states of
Indiana and Illinois. There is no direct land connection between the adjoining
states of Kentucky and Missouri and the only indirect highway connection is a
ferry between Hickman and Dorena.
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H.B. Elkins
> And, which pair of capitals is furthest apart by a single Interstate
> highway? Perhaps Nashville/Raleigh on I-40?
Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
I-64 gets three: KY, WV and VA.
Rich Piehl
Thought of another possibility - Helena to Pierre. Don't know what kind
of non-interstate routing there might be for that.
T.J. Higgins
>In article <nperry-F143F9....@news.frontiernet.net>,
>Nathan Perry <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>>Which capitals of two adjacent U.S. states are furthest apart by road,
>>using the most direct practical route? There may or may not be an
>>intervening state along the route, as long as the connected capitals are
>>in adjacent states.
>
>is still the winner at 754 miles.)
According to Google Maps, Denver to Phoenix is 822 miles. That's
the longest one I could find.
Sacramento-Phoenix: 757
Carson City-Phoenix: 740
Helena-Pierre: 724
Austin-Santa Fe: 710
Nathan Perry
Rich Piehl <rpiehl5REM...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
> Thought of another possibility - Helena to Pierre. Don't know what kind
> of non-interstate routing there might be for that.
Google's shortest route is 706 mi. Any route to Pierre will have to be
somewhat non-Interstate, as Pierre isn't on the system, but the most
direct route turns out to be mostly so.
T.J. Higgins
>
>Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
>
>I-64 gets three: KY, WV and VA.
I-35 gets TX, OK, IA, and MN.
I-40 gets NC, TN, AR, and OK.
I-70 gets MD, OH, IN, and CO.
I-80 gets IA, WY, UT, and CA.
I-95 gets ME, MA, MD, and VA.
I couldn't find any that serve more than 4, unless you count I-95
serving NJ. Interesting that I-90, the longest interstate, servers
only MA and NY.
Nathan Perry
Rich Piehl <rpiehl5REM...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
674 mi. and 737 mi. respectively. Not bad!
Nathan Perry
"Paul D. DeRocco" <pder...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > "Nathan Perry" <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote
> >
> > Another mind-teaser:
> >
> > Which capitals of two adjacent U.S. states are furthest apart by road,
> > using the most direct practical route? There may or may not be an
> > intervening state along the route, as long as the connected capitals are
> > in adjacent states.
>
> It's a definitional problem. According to MSS&T, Phoenix to Sacramento is
> about 755 miles, but Phoenix to Denver is about 770 miles. Are Arizona and
> Colorado adjacent?
For this purpose I'd say no, since nothing with mass could move from one
state to the other without entering a third.
(By the same principle, therefore, MI/MN and NY/RI are adjacent.)
>
> > And, which pair of capitals is furthest apart by a single Interstate
> > highway? Perhaps Nashville/Raleigh on I-40?
>
> I agree. That's about 540 miles. Second would be Sacramento to Salem, at
> about 535.
What about Topeka/Denver, I-70?
Nathan Perry
H.B. Elkins <hbel...@mis.net.restrictorplate> wrote:
> "Nathan Perry" <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote
>
> > And, which pair of capitals is furthest apart by a single Interstate
> > highway? Perhaps Nashville/Raleigh on I-40?
>
> Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
>
> I-64 gets three: KY, WV and VA.
I-35 has 4 (TX, OK, IA, MN), if you include I-35E at St. Paul. I-40 does
too (OK, AR, TN, NC).
I'm surprised there aren't more. In thinking about this, I've noticed
that capitals aren't particularly well connected to each other. It makes
sense, as their importance is intra-state by definition, and capitals
are often not particularly large places.
Nathan Perry
<8300edb6-864c-463e...@d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
"rsh...@gmail.com" <rsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 11, 11:51 pm, "Paul D. DeRocco" <pdero...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > "Nathan Perry" <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote
> > > And, which pair of capitals is furthest apart by a single Interstate
> > > highway? Perhaps Nashville/Raleigh on I-40?
> >
>
> they are the furthers in the east.
>
> now what are the closest in the west, no cheating
Sacramento/Carson City, no question! Unless it's Denver/Cheyenne.
Actually it's probably that. But I can't tell for sure without cheating.
Paul S Wolf
> In article<igkev...@drn.newsguy.com>, H.B. Elkins wrote:
>>
>> Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
>>
>> I-64 gets three: KY, WV and VA.
> I-35 gets TX, OK, IA, and MN.
> I-40 gets NC, TN, AR, and OK.
> I-70 gets MD, OH, IN, and CO.
Annapolis MD is not on I-70
> I-80 gets IA, WY, UT, and CA.
> I-95 gets ME, MA, MD, and VA.
Annapolis MD is not on I-95
(Baltimore is not the state capital of MD)
I-95 does, of course, also enter Washington DC (though it's not a STATE
Capital, it is THE Capital city.
> I couldn't find any that serve more than 4, unless you count I-95
> serving NJ. Interesting that I-90, the longest interstate, servers
> only MA and NY.
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Nathan Perry
ernest.p...@vernal.equinox.edu (T.J. Higgins) wrote:
> I-35 gets TX, OK, IA, and MN.
> I-40 gets NC, TN, AR, and OK.
> I-70 gets MD, OH, IN, and CO.
Swap KS for MD and you're right
> I-80 gets IA, WY, UT, and CA.
> I-95 gets ME, MA, MD, and VA.
I-95 doesn't hit Annapolis (although it gets as close as it does to
Boston, and we never seem to question that).
>
> I couldn't find any that serve more than 4, unless you count I-95
> serving NJ.
Yes you could. Tack on RI and you've got your answer!
> Interesting that I-90, the longest interstate, servers
> only MA and NY.
I noticed that too.
Stephen Dailey
> "Nathan Perry" <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote
>
>> And, which pair of capitals is furthest apart by a single Interstate
>> highway? Perhaps Nashville/Raleigh on I-40?
>
> Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
>
> I-64 gets three: KY, WV and VA.
I-5 also has three: WA, OR, and CA.
Steve Sobol
@d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, rsh...@gmail.com says...
> four corners, but I think Sac to Phoenix is further
See, I'd agree with you, and Google Maps says 757 miles, but Google Maps
routes you I-5 to I-10, and I would think you could cut out some of
those miles if you went CA-99 through Bakersfield, CA-58 over to
Barstow, then I-15 to I-210 to I-10.
... hm, I'll be damned. Sacto to Apple Valley to Phoneix via CA-99 and
I-15 is 778 miles. Almost the same.
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Apple Valley, CA
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John Lansford
>"Nathan Perry" <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote
>
>> And, which pair of capitals is furthest apart by a single Interstate
>> highway? Perhaps Nashville/Raleigh on I-40?
>
>Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
>
>I-64 gets three: KY, WV and VA.
I-40 gets Raleigh, Nashville, & Little Rock.
John Lansford, PE
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Steve Riner
wrote:
I can quickly think of several interstates that serve three state
capitals:
I-10 - Phoenix, Baton Rouge, Tallahassee
I-25 - Santa Fe, Denver, Cheyenne (the capitals of all the states it
serves, as a bonus)
I-5: Sacramento, Salem, Olympia (same bonus applies)
Steve Riner
Pueblo West CO
Explore New Mexico and Minnesota highways: http://www.steve-riner.com
Kenny McCormack
T.J. Higgins <ernest.p...@vernal.equinox.edu> wrote:
...
>I couldn't find any that serve more than 4, unless you count I-95
>serving NJ.
I95 certainly serves Trenton, and is signed as such (I95 North: Trenton)
Whether it actually enters the city limits is unclear.
>Interesting that I-90, the longest interstate, servers
>only MA and NY.
Madison, WI
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Michael Angelo Ravera
> In article <nperry-F143F9.22163011012...@news.frontiernet.net>,
> Nathan Perry <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >Which capitals of two adjacent U.S. states are furthest apart by road,
> >using the most direct practical route? There may or may not be an
> >intervening state along the route, as long as the connected capitals are
> >in adjacent states.
>
> If we broaden the question somewhat and allow Canadian provinces and
> territories as well, we have Juneau, Alaska to Victoria, B.C. at 1,033
> miles (requires taking a couple of ferries); Quebec City to St. John's
> at 1440 miles (also requires a ferry); Toronto to Winnipeg at 1272
> miles (via Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, or a few miles longer
> via an all-Canadian route); and Regina to Yellowknife, 1411 miles.
>
> Within the U.S., Austin to Santa Fe is 710 miles. (Phoenix to Sacto
> is still the winner at 754 miles.)
If you broaden the question to include Mexican estados, I'm going to
guess that Austin to one of the bordering Mexican estado capitals will
beat Even Juneau-Victoria.
In the world Pyongyang-Beijing, Beijing-Moscow, and Delhi-Bejing may
not even have traversable road routes between them. It's also also a
long way from Washington DC to Mexico DF. Same goes for Tiunis-Tripoli
and Rabat-Timbuktu. Also, the road routes from Brasilia to Georgetown,
Santiago, and Caracas while probably traversable, are not very
straight or short (may require a diversion to Rio).
But Washinton DC-Moscow has just about to take prize. The shortest
route requires a sea voyage and traversing about 11 other countries.
The most road-oriented route requires a ferry that doesn't operate
more than a few months out of the year.
.
bugo
"T.J. Higgins" <ernest.p...@vernal.equinox.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <igkev...@drn.newsguy.com>, H.B. Elkins wrote:
>>
>>Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
> I-40 gets NC, TN, AR, and OK.
I-40 does not go through Little Rock.
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says...
>
> "T.J. Higgins" <ernest.p...@vernal.equinox.edu> wrote in message
> news:iamdnckNRLXNe7DQ...@posted.hiwaay2...
> > In article <igkev...@drn.newsguy.com>, H.B. Elkins wrote:
> >>
> >>Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
> > I-40 gets NC, TN, AR, and OK.
>
> I-40 does not go through Little Rock.
I remember driving I-40 through Arkansas when I moved here in 2003. I
thought I drove through Little Rock. But no, Little Rock is on the other
side of the river. Looks like I-40 goes through *North* Little Rock.
rsh...@gmail.com
> "T.J. Higgins" <ernest.p.worr...@vernal.equinox.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:iamdnckNRLXNe7DQ...@posted.hiwaay2...
>
> > In article <igkev602...@drn.newsguy.com>, H.B. Elkins wrote:
>
> >>Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
> > I-40 gets NC, TN, AR, and OK.
>
> I-40 does not go through Little Rock.
>
> --
>
> Down the left hand highway with no sinister regrets
picking nits tonight? That is akin to saying I-95 does not go to
Trenton
BTW I-40 does go to OK City
One more btw, I could maintain a spirited debate with Paul Wolf about
what is REALLY the capital of MD
Most state agencies are in Balt, as is MdSHA, and the MdTA. Really
only the Capitol and Leigislature is in MD's"Capitol" City
H.B. Elkins
>I-40 does not go through Little Rock.
Comes close enough to count, in my book. It skirts the city limits and is the
control city from Memphis.
bugo
"H.B. Elkins" <hbel...@mis.net.restrictorplate> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:04:26 -0600, bugo wrote:
>
>>I-40 does not go through Little Rock.
>
> Comes close enough to count, in my book. It skirts the city limits and is
> the
> control city from Memphis.
It doesn't enter the LR city limits by several miles and one large river.
It doesn't go through Fort Smith (or Sebastian County for that matter) even
though that is another control city.
rsh...@gmail.com
> "H.B. Elkins" <hbelk...@mis.net.restrictorplate> wrote in message
so, pray tell us, what SHOULD that signage say????
bugo
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> On Jan 13, 6:04 pm, "bugo" <wat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "T.J. Higgins" <ernest.p.worr...@vernal.equinox.edu> wrote in message
>>
>> news:iamdnckNRLXNe7DQ...@posted.hiwaay2...
>>
>> > In article <igkev602...@drn.newsguy.com>, H.B. Elkins wrote:
>>
>> >>Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
>> > I-40 gets NC, TN, AR, and OK.
>>
>> I-40 does not go through Little Rock.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Down the left hand highway with no sinister regrets
>
> picking nits tonight? That is akin to saying I-95 does not go to
> Trenton
It's a pet peeve of mine.
bugo
news:78fdd6ed-312a-4ea7...@v17g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
> so, pray tell us, what SHOULD that signage say????
Technically, Van Buren. I-29's control city is Council Bluffs, not Omaha.
rsh...@gmail.com
> <rshe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
ok, lets assume I-49 is complete from KC to Shreveport
continuing, Van Buren has a pop of around 20,000
Ft Smith has a pop of around 85,000
Council Bluffs has a pop oif 60,000, as well has been and remains a
major interstate jct
now how can you justify Van Buren? you, and me, other then locals are
the only ones that know and possibly ponder its mere existance
further, and you know full well, 90% of the traffic on I-40 could not
care less if Van Buren were used, as they would have only a bare idea
of its existance
Traffic on I-40 cares about Little Rock, moderately about Ft Smith,
and Okla City
You know, in 2007 they did sign upgrades of I-40 from NLR(There, I
said it) to OK
Backlin even did his part to bitch on mtr they were not needed
before the letting they hold two public hearings, you should have gone
I am sure they will be doing similar sign upgrades on I-30 and the
remainder of I-40
watch the Ar STIP
Paul D. DeRocco
>
> What about Topeka/Denver, I-70?
According to MSS&T, that's a smidgin shorter, at 537, but that's longer than
Sacramento to Salem. Of course, at that level one has to define where one is
measuring from in each city. The steps of City Hall?
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Paul D. DeRocco
>
> > I agree. That's about 540 miles. Second would be Sacramento to Salem, at
> > about 535.
>
That question was about distance along a single interstate.
Paul D. DeRocco
>
>> Interesting that I-90, the longest interstate, servers
>> only MA and NY.
>
> I noticed that too.
You forgot Madison, WI. That makes it a threesome.
DandyDan
Higgins) wrote:
> In article <igkev602...@drn.newsguy.com>, H.B. Elkins wrote:
I-80 also has Nebraska's capital, Lincoln.
Nathan Perry
"bugo" <wat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "T.J. Higgins" <ernest.p...@vernal.equinox.edu> wrote in message
> news:iamdnckNRLXNe7DQ...@posted.hiwaay2...
> > In article <igkev...@drn.newsguy.com>, H.B. Elkins wrote:
> >>
> >>Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
> > I-40 gets NC, TN, AR, and OK.
>
> I-40 does not go through Little Rock.
That's very true, but for these purposes I generally think of I-40 as
serving Little Rock, in the same way that I-95 serves Boston and I-80
serves Chicago (both much longer stretches from the city limits).
I can't quite bring myself to say that I-15 serves LA, however.
bugo
"Nathan Perry" <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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I'm not usually anal about such things, but this is one of my pet peeves.
NLR is a very different city than LR.
Hugh Brodie
"Garrett Wollman" <wol...@bimajority.org> wrote in message
news:igjji5$4lb$1...@grapevine.csail.mit.edu...
> In article <nperry-F143F9....@news.frontiernet.net>,
> Nathan Perry <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>>Which capitals of two adjacent U.S. states are furthest apart by road,
>>using the most direct practical route? There may or may not be an
>>intervening state along the route, as long as the connected capitals are
>>in adjacent states.
>
> If we broaden the question somewhat and allow Canadian provinces and
> territories as well, we have Juneau, Alaska to Victoria, B.C. at 1,033
> miles (requires taking a couple of ferries); Quebec City to St. John's
> at 1440 miles (also requires a ferry); Toronto to Winnipeg at 1272
> miles (via Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, or a few miles longer
> via an all-Canadian route); and Regina to Yellowknife, 1411 miles.
>
Quebec City (Quebec) to Iqaluit (Nunavut) is 1175 miles as the crow flies.
To maximize the driving distance: you could drive the 700 miles to
Waskaganish (on the south side of James Bay), and hire a boat to take you
the remaining 1600 miles or so. (or go in winter by snowmobile and cut down
the distance) Or go by boat via the Labrador coast (maybe a few hundred
miles shorter).
Steve Sobol
npe...@rochester.rr.com says...
It's not much further away than I-95 is from Boston.
I-95 is about 25-30 minutes west of Boston, IIRC (correct me if I'm
wrong).
I-15 runs about 40-45 minutes east of downtown Los Angeles.
Larry Sheldon
Must have dropped the tread somewhere. When did Los Angeles become the
(a?) Capital?
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Steve Sobol <sjs...@JustThe.net> wrote:
>I-95 is about 25-30 minutes west of Boston, IIRC (correct me if I'm
>wrong).
Only during the height of rush hour. Most of the time it's seven
minutes to the city line, ten or fifteen to get downtown, fifteen or
twenty to get to the State House.
-GAWollman
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Steve Sobol
says...
> Must have dropped the tread somewhere. When did Los Angeles become the
> (a?) Capital?
It's the capital of Los Angeles County. :)
It's not a state capital.
Nathan mentioned I-15 and L.A., probably because Los Angeles is listed
as the control city for I-15 coming south out of Nevada (and at one exit
in Victorville), and is also listed on parts of the northbound I-15 in
Riverside County, California - and aside from the state capital
discussion, there was also a discussion of control cities in this
thread.
Nathan Perry
Larry Sheldon <lfsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Must have dropped the tread somewhere. When did Los Angeles become the
> (a?) Capital?
It didn't. I mentioned it as an example of a city not quite served by a
particular interstate, as compared to other examples where the
interstate also doesn't enter the city proper but definitely seems to
serve it.
All of this is according to my own perception; I know full well that
I-15 could be said to serve LA every bit as much as I-80 does New York
or Chicago.
Nathan Perry
"bugo" <wat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
There's no question of that; I of all people know the difference between
being in a city and not being in it (Las Vegas vs. The Strip). But I
would have a very hard time accepting that I-40 doesn't serve Little
Rock in a very direct way.
That said, it would be perfectly valid to approach the question in terms
of cities proper, and we're welcome to do so, perhaps coming up with a
substantially different list.
John David Galt
> But Washinton DC-Moscow has just about to take prize. The shortest
> route requires a sea voyage and traversing about 11 other countries.
> The most road-oriented route requires a ferry that doesn't operate
> more than a few months out of the year.
I'd like to hear about that one, because I haven't heard of any scheduled
service (where you could take your car) that makes this trip possible.
Then again, I suppose during winter, you might be able to drive a truck
across the Arctic from Inuvik to Murmansk... I wonder if one of the TV
channels would sponsor it, maybe on the anniversary of "The Great Race".
Larry Sheldon
>>> That's very true, but for these purposes I generally think of I-40 as
>>> serving Little Rock, in the same way that I-95 serves Boston and I-80
>>> serves Chicago (both much longer stretches from the city limits).
>>
>> I'm not usually anal about such things, but this is one of my pet peeves.
>> NLR is a very different city than LR.
I used to get annoyed when I had to go to some conference in Los
Angeles. At the Anaheim Convention Center. You know--the one near
where the Los Angeles Angels Baseball team played.
> There's no question of that; I of all people know the difference between
> being in a city and not being in it (Las Vegas vs. The Strip). But I
> would have a very hard time accepting that I-40 doesn't serve Little
> Rock in a very direct way.
>
> That said, it would be perfectly valid to approach the question in terms
> of cities proper, and we're welcome to do so, perhaps coming up with a
> substantially different list.
No doubt that they engineers should be required, REQUIRED,, to take
"Chicago" off the signs and put "Lansing" in its place whjere it belongs.
Steve Sobol
says...
> I used to get annoyed when I had to go to some conference in Los
> Angeles. At the Anaheim Convention Center. You know--the one near
> where the Los Angeles Angels Baseball team played.
*sigh*
Don't get me started about that.
I would be very happy if they were still the California Angels. Which
they were, when Gene Autry owned them.
They only became the Anaheim Angels after Disney bought them; Disney,
after all, owns half of Anaheim. They also owned the Mighty Ducks
(remember the Disney movie of the same name)?
The new owner wanted to associate them with Los Angeles. But they play a
good half-hour south of central Los Angeles, and the new name is
unwieldy and just plain stupid. I will never go down to watch a "Los
Angeles Angels of Anaheim" ball game. Although I might watch an
"Angels" ball game or maybe, if I'm feeling charitable, a "Los Angeles
Angels" ball game.
By contrast, no one says that the city of Akron, Ohio is "in" Cleveland,
and it's the same distance from Cleveland that Anaheim is from Los
Angels.
Also by contrast, both New York baseball teams do play in New York
(different boroughs, but that's good enough for me). Same with Chicago.
Otto Yamamoto
> Also by contrast, both New York baseball teams do play in New York
> (different boroughs, but that's good enough for me). Same with Chicago.
It's all in NYC corporate limits. But the 7 train is a better ride.
--
Otto Yamamoto
Otto Yamamoto
> All of this is according to my own perception; I know full well that
> I-15 could be said to serve LA every bit as much as I-80 does New York
> or Chicago.
Interstate 80 at least comes within shouting distance of NYC, and funnels
into a freeway that takes you right into Manhattan. A bit closer than it
is to Chicago or Interstate 15 is to Los Angeles.
--
Otto Yamamoto
Michael Angelo Ravera
wrote:
I was thinking of the most road-oriented route as the one that heads
WEST through the actual BORDER between the US and Russia. If there is
a ferry from Alaska to Siberia, I am fairly sure that it doesn't
Steve Sobol
s...@ottoyamamoto.cc says...
Heading into Vegas on the southbound 15, Los Angeles is the control city
because no one gives a rat's patootie about Barstow (the next "big" city
southbound on that freeway). South of Barstow, CalTrans uses San
Bernardino as the control city, but I-15 doesn't go into San Bernardino,
although it gets a lot closer to San Bernardino than Los Angeles.
Caltrans finally puts the "correct" city on the BGS's starting at the I-
15/I-215 split (I-15 South/Los Angeles/San Diego -- and San Diego is the
lone control city on the BGS's south of the Cajon Pass).
The only remaining large city actually *on* I-15, south of Las Vegas, is
San Diego.
But, NDOT probably uses Los Angeles as the control city so all of the
Angelenos trying to get back home don't get lost. We wouldn't want them
driving the wrong way and ending up in Utah, would we?
The Chief Instigator
> On Jan 11, 11:00?pm, woll...@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>> In article <nperry-F143F9.22163011012...@news.frontiernet.net>,
>> Nathan Perry ?<npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Which capitals of two adjacent U.S. states are furthest apart by road,
>> >using the most direct practical route? There may or may not be an
>> >intervening state along the route, as long as the connected capitals are
>> >in adjacent states.
>>
>> If we broaden the question somewhat and allow Canadian provinces and
>> territories as well, we have Juneau, Alaska to Victoria, B.C. at 1,033
>> miles (requires taking a couple of ferries); Quebec City to St. John's
>> at 1440 miles (also requires a ferry); Toronto to Winnipeg at 1272
>> miles (via Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, or a few miles longer
>> via an all-Canadian route); and Regina to Yellowknife, 1411 miles.
>>
>> is still the winner at 754 miles.)
>
> If you broaden the question to include Mexican estados, I'm going to
> guess that Austin to one of the bordering Mexican estado capitals will
> beat Even Juneau-Victoria.
Not quite: Austin to Monterrey, Coahuila, is 366 miles. Victoria, BC to
Prince Rupert, BC, is 1003 miles.
--
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>
>
> "T.J. Higgins" <ernest.p...@vernal.equinox.edu> wrote in message
> news:iamdnckNRLXNe7DQ...@posted.hiwaay2...
>> In article <igkev...@drn.newsguy.com>, H.B. Elkins wrote:
>>>
>>>Related: which interstate serves the most state capital cities?
>> I-40 gets NC, TN, AR, and OK.
>
> I-40 does not go through Little Rock.
It goes through North Little Rock, having been through there a few dozen
times on the way to/from my kin in Kentucky.
H.B. Elkins
>According to MSS&T, that's a smidgin shorter, at 537, but that's longer than
>Sacramento to Salem. Of course, at that level one has to define where one is
>measuring from in each city. The steps of City Hall?
If you're talking about capitals, the logical measuring point is the state
capitol in the respective capital city.
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Nathan Perry
Otto Yamamoto <stev...@ottoyamamoto.cc> wrote:
Yes, I-80 comes very close to NYC, although there's that mental block
where it doesn't cross the state line.
Also, I'd bet that I-95 comes closer to Dover, DE than I-15 does to LA,
but nobody considers Dover to be on the Interstate system. And I don't
think Jefferson City, MO is any less convenient from I-70.
But it's all relative: dense development extends from LA unbroken to
past Moreno Valley, well past both I-15 and I-215, without any
comparably large city taking over the reins (as opposed to Washington
taking over the reins from Baltimore in that unbroken swath). No such
continuity connects Dover or Jeff City to their respective Interstates.
And I think most people agree that I-90 serves Rochester, NY only
indirectly, despite it being far closer to the city limits than I-15 to
LA or I-80 to Chicago.
Nathan Perry
Steve Sobol <sjs...@JustThe.net> wrote:
> Heading into Vegas on the southbound 15, Los Angeles is the control city
> because no one gives a rat's patootie about Barstow (the next "big" city
> southbound on that freeway). South of Barstow, CalTrans uses San
> Bernardino as the control city, but I-15 doesn't go into San Bernardino,
> although it gets a lot closer to San Bernardino than Los Angeles.
>
> Caltrans finally puts the "correct" city on the BGS's starting at the I-
> 15/I-215 split (I-15 South/Los Angeles/San Diego -- and San Diego is the
> lone control city on the BGS's south of the Cajon Pass).
>
> The only remaining large city actually *on* I-15, south of Las Vegas, is
> San Diego.
>
> But, NDOT probably uses Los Angeles as the control city so all of the
> Angelenos trying to get back home don't get lost. We wouldn't want them
> driving the wrong way and ending up in Utah, would we?
Although your cynic's point is well taken, I think that one look at the
ramps between points west and north at the I-15 junctions with Inland
Empire freeways would indicate that most traffic is indeed bound between
Vegas and the immediate LA vicinity (as opposed to farther south or
east).
While I do think that San Diego also deserves prominent billing as a
southbound control city out of Vegas, there's no question that a large
percentage of the traffic is headed to LA; I mean, it's not like they're
using some other route to get home, such that I-15 shouldn't guide them
there!
It just goes to show that the Interstate numbering logic only goes so
far. By rights, there should be a single-number route between LA and
Vegas; a branch of I-15 that heads west into the city perhaps. Then
again, I-15 should geometrically continue from Utah south towards
Phoenix, but that's another argument!
Otto Yamamoto
> Heading into Vegas on the southbound 15, Los Angeles is the control city
> because no one gives a rat's patootie about Barstow (the next "big" city
> southbound on that freeway). South of Barstow, CalTrans uses San
> Bernardino as the control city, but I-15 doesn't go into San Bernardino,
> although it gets a lot closer to San Bernardino than Los Angeles.
NY 17 does likewise- the eastbound control city is New York. You run into
Middletown along the way, but you don't know that until you get there.
--
Otto Yamamoto
Gary V
OK, but ...
On I-696, the control cities are Port Huron (eb) and Lansing (wb).
Neither one of which is on I-696; in fact you spend more time on
another route than the entire length of 696. But control cities of St
Clair Shores and Farmington (or maybe Novi) wouldn't make sense to
most travellers.
On I-275, the control cities are Toledo (sb) and Flint (nb). At least
for Toledo, you merge into I-75 and eventually get there. But Flint?
That requires using two other routes (I-96 and US-23), and at the
north end of I-275 there aren't even any signs directing you which way
you should go to find Flint from there.
H.B. Elkins
>NY 17 does likewise- the eastbound control city is New York. You run into
>Middletown along the way, but you don't know that until you get there.
Middletown's only distinguishing characteristic is that the interchange with
I-84 is there.
I've heard a lot of disparaging remarks about Middletown but I'm not sure why.
Steve Sobol
npe...@rochester.rr.com says...
> It just goes to show that the Interstate numbering logic only goes so
> far. By rights, there should be a single-number route between LA and
> Vegas; a branch of I-15 that heads west into the city perhaps. Then
> again, I-15 should geometrically continue from Utah south towards
> Phoenix, but that's another argument!
I-17 goes into Phoenix, and that makes sense to me. Phoenix is big, but
it is much smaller than Los Angeles, and approximately the same size as
San Diego. I-15 goes into San Diego and serves the outer reaches of the
Los Angeles metro area.