Taconic State Parkway rest stop
Curly Sue
TIA for any information.
Sue(tm)
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Rick H
"Curly Sue" <s...@addressin.sig> wrote in message
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> The rest stop on the TSP was closed last week. Is this temporary?
Which rest stop?
>
> TIA for any information.
>
> Sue(tm)
> Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!
>
> sue at interport dotnet
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Jim Mearkle
> The rest stop on the TSP was closed last week. Is this temporary?
>
> TIA for any information.
>
If you mean the one at Hosner Mountain Road (just N of I-84) I beleive
it is permanent. NYSDOT elected not to renew Sunoco's lease, possibly
as part of an effort to improve safety along the TSP. Since it
happened at about the same time that 5 at-grade median crossovers were
closed, I wouldn't be surprised.
Jim Mearkle
CLRP
John Mara
"Jim Mearkle" <sable...@excite.com> wrote in message
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I heard a report on Northeast Public Radio that closing the Shenandoah (sp?)
rest stop was part of the median closing project. It leaves the TSP with no
services available on the road. NYSDOT should consider better signage for
services at the exits.
John Mara
Curly Sue
wrote:
Yes, I meant the median rest stop near I84. I am sorry to hear it
will close. Really sorry :<
Guy Olsen
>
> Yes, I meant the median rest stop near I84. I am sorry to hear it
> will close. Really sorry :<
>
The left-side entrance ramps from that service area were downright
scary.
Logo signs should be added. Not only will they help travelers know
what is available at interchanges but will attract new businesses.
The result: an even wider range of choices.
Guy Olsen, PE
Curly Sue
>s...@addressin.sig (Curly Sue) wrote in message news:<3c2e260a...@news-server.nyc.rr.com>...
>>
>> Yes, I meant the median rest stop near I84. I am sorry to hear it
>> will close. Really sorry :<
>>
>
>The left-side entrance ramps from that service area were downright
>scary.
All they had to do was make the ramps back onto the highway longer to
get up to speed, plus "left merging traffic" signs for the through
traffic.
>Logo signs should be added. Not only will they help travelers know
>what is available at interchanges but will attract new businesses.
>The result: an even wider range of choices.
The only way I wouldn't regret loss of that median station is if they
had rest stops right on the highway, perhaps one on the northbound
side and one on the southbound side if that is safer and safety is an
issue. The northernmost one at Rigor Hill Road is a good example.
Logo signs don't solve the problem of having to get off the road
wasting time wandering around looking for a bathroom, wondering how
many miles it will be. Also, I don't like using the facilities of a
business where I don't want to buy anything from them and I'm sure the
feeling is mutual. Loss of the median rest stop may create more
traffic for the local roads around the interchanges but I don't know
how many businesses it would support because we're not looking for
souvenirs or cute businesses.
They need convenient rest stops for visitors where we can buy gas, a
beverage, and use the bathrooms without annoying the locals with
traffic and annoying us with scavenger hunts for bathrooms. That
median stop was perfect. :<
Mr. Yamamoto
stopping in. There are some decent sized ones at the SH 55 and SH 82 junctions
with appropriate facilities for tourists and not a cheesy souvenir shop in
sight.
Mr Yamamoto of Hollywood
"For a workin' man like myself, the price is right"
Guy Olsen
> On 30 Dec 2001 12:31:30 -0800, GuyP...@AOL.com (Guy Olsen) wrote:
>
> >s...@addressin.sig (Curly Sue) wrote in message news:<3c2e260a...@news-server.nyc.rr.com>...
> >>
> >> Yes, I meant the median rest stop near I84. I am sorry to hear it
> >> will close. Really sorry :<
> >>
> >
> >The left-side entrance ramps from that service area were downright
> >scary.
>
> All they had to do was make the ramps back onto the highway longer to
> get up to speed, plus "left merging traffic" signs for the through
> traffic.
>
Proper accel (and decel) lanes, while certainly better than
substandard or non-existent ones, do not make left-side entrances (or
exits) acceptable. As John Lansford of NC pointed out in a recent
post, they force slower traffic to mix with faster traffic.
>
> >Logo signs should be added. Not only will they help travelers know
> >what is available at interchanges but will attract new businesses.
> >The result: an even wider range of choices.
>
> The only way I wouldn't regret loss of that median station is if they
> had rest stops right on the highway, perhaps one on the northbound
> side and one on the southbound side if that is safer and safety is an
> issue. The northernmost one at Rigor Hill Road is a good example.
Every limited access road with significant long distance traffic
should have rest areas at reasonable intervals.
>
> Logo signs don't solve the problem of having to get off the road
> wasting time wandering around looking for a bathroom, wondering how
> many miles it will be. Also, I don't like using the facilities of a
> business where I don't want to buy anything from them and I'm sure the
> feeling is mutual. Loss of the median rest stop may create more
> traffic for the local roads around the interchanges but I don't know
> how many businesses it would support because we're not looking for
> souvenirs or cute businesses.
>
> They need convenient rest stops for visitors where we can buy gas, a
> beverage, and use the bathrooms without annoying the locals with
> traffic and annoying us with scavenger hunts for bathrooms. That
> median stop was perfect. :<
>
You raise a good point about the bathrooms. That makes me wonder if
one of the conditions for having your logo sign posted is allowing
bathroom use by non-customers.
Guy Olsen, PE
Steve
>
> s...@addressin.sig (Curly Sue) wrote in message news:<3c2f7ab8...@news-server.nyc.rr.com>...
> > On 30 Dec 2001 12:31:30 -0800, GuyP...@AOL.com (Guy Olsen) wrote:
> >
> > >s...@addressin.sig (Curly Sue) wrote in message news:<3c2e260a...@news-server.nyc.rr.com>...
> > >>
> > >> Yes, I meant the median rest stop near I84. I am sorry to hear it
> > >> will close. Really sorry :<
> > >>
> > >
> > >The left-side entrance ramps from that service area were downright
> > >scary.
> >
> > All they had to do was make the ramps back onto the highway longer to
> > get up to speed, plus "left merging traffic" signs for the through
> > traffic.
> >
>
> Proper accel (and decel) lanes, while certainly better than
> substandard or non-existent ones, do not make left-side entrances (or
> exits) acceptable. As John Lansford of NC pointed out in a recent
> post, they force slower traffic to mix with faster traffic.
>
everyone on the left is doing 70 (and always has been, even during the
55 years), and the accel lane, while adequate, doesn't help because
traffic volumes force you to stand still at the top of the ramp until
you spot a break coming up, and then it's accelerate for your life and
hope you can fit in the gap. Flyovers would be a tremendous help here,
but no one will stand for cutting down any more trees, so we're stuck.
John Mara
"Guy Olsen" <GuyP...@AOL.com> wrote in message
news:491e1b0b.0112...@posting.google.com...
> > The only way I wouldn't regret loss of that median station is if they
> > had rest stops right on the highway, perhaps one on the northbound
> > side and one on the southbound side if that is safer and safety is an
> > issue. The northernmost one at Rigor Hill Road is a good example.
>
> Every limited access road with significant long distance traffic
> should have rest areas at reasonable intervals.
There were two other median gas stations on the TSP north of the one at
I84. Both of them closed at least 10 years ago. One of the buildings is
still there and the parking lot is used as a park-and-ride. There are
signs warning about the buses. A slow accelerating bus using a left hand
entrance can be areal hazard. The other one is completely gone including
the parking lot.
> > Logo signs don't solve the problem of having to get off the road
> > wasting time wandering around looking for a bathroom, wondering how
> > many miles it will be
I noticed today that the Mobil Station just south of the NY203 exit on the
TSP was charging 1.299 for regular, 15 to 20 cents more than other stations
in the area. As far as I can remember it is the only gas station visible
from the parkway.
John Mara
N. W. Perry
Guy Olsen wrote:
>
> > Logo signs don't solve the problem of having to get off the road
> > wasting time wandering around looking for a bathroom, wondering how
> > many miles it will be. Also, I don't like using the facilities of a
> > business where I don't want to buy anything from them and I'm sure the
> > feeling is mutual. Loss of the median rest stop may create more
> > traffic for the local roads around the interchanges but I don't know
> > how many businesses it would support because we're not looking for
> > souvenirs or cute businesses.
> >
> > They need convenient rest stops for visitors where we can buy gas, a
> > beverage, and use the bathrooms without annoying the locals with
> > traffic and annoying us with scavenger hunts for bathrooms. That
> > median stop was perfect. :<
> >
>
> You raise a good point about the bathrooms. That makes me wonder if
> one of the conditions for having your logo sign posted is allowing
> bathroom use by non-customers.
>
Yes it is, according to the NYS MUTCD. To be listed as a GAS facility on logo signs, you have to be
open daily for at least 18 hours (IIRC), and have public restroom facilities. Remember that if anyone
ever gives you a hard time about the restroom!
On this subject, some of the ads from 1920's-era Blue Books tout the existence of Ladies' Rooms for
certain garages. I guess men were expected to be okay with hitting the back fields?
Mr. Yamamoto
>existence of Ladies' Rooms for
>certain garages. I guess men were expected to be okay with hitting the back
>fields?
Well ya know, we DO stand up....
Sean Fay
>From: s...@addressin.sig (Curly Sue)
>Date: 12/28/01 11:57 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3c2d4c6c...@news-server.nyc.rr.com>
This is a permanent closure. Dutchess County is planning to close all at-grade
intersections from Hosner Mountain Road (right next to the rest stop) to Tyrell
Road near the US 44 interchange.
Sean "Terrorists are Assclowns" Fay
visit my Mid-Hudson Valley roads site at
WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/RANGERS23514
Jacob M. Kaplan
<webm...@empirestateroads.com> wrote:
> Yes it is, according to the NYS MUTCD. To be listed as a GAS facility on
> logo signs, you have to be
> open daily for at least 18 hours (IIRC), and have public restroom
> facilities. Remember that if anyone
> ever gives you a hard time about the restroom!
To change the subject a bit: Has anybody ever been given a hard time
about using a bathroom in a gas station when you aren't purchasing
anything? I've never had this happen to me. Usually, gas stations are
the best places to stop for the bathroom, especially on US highways
without rest areas.
Curly Sue
The thing is, they don't give you a hard time. BUT! A lot of them
are "out of order," or the door is broken. Then, a certain % of the
ones that work are disgusting. Usually, McDonald's or BK is a better
choice than gas stations.
That's why I prefer either toll roads or otherwise supported rest
stops, where I can swing off the road and be pretty sure that there
will be a valid bathroom with toilet paper. :>
Mike Tantillo
>intersections from Hosner Mountain Road (right next to the rest stop) to
>Tyrell
>Road near the US 44 interchange.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but since when does Dutchess county have the authority
to close intersections on a state road? And IIRC, the intersections won't be
closed...just the median closed, so you can only make right turns onto and off
of the parkway.
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Mike Tantillo (posting from this address till Jan. 6...send mail to either this
address or my duke account)
SP Cook
Jacob M. Kaplan <fun...@pobox.com> wrote in message news:funkfan-
> To change the subject a bit: Has anybody ever been given a hard time
> about using a bathroom in a gas station when you aren't purchasing
> anything? I've never had this happen to me. Usually, gas stations are
> the best places to stop for the bathroom, especially on US highways
> without rest areas.
At the risk of setting off another off-topic "pooing" deluge by a certain,
ever-name changing and truly paranoid, poster.
IMHO, it is rude to use somebody's facility w/o buying SOMETHING. If you
don't need gasoline, you can always buy a Coke or a candy bar or something.
SP Cook
Jonathan Persky
Jon
SP Cook <PAC...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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US71
>
> At the risk of setting off another off-topic "pooing" deluge by a certain,
> ever-name changing and truly paranoid, poster.
>
> IMHO, it is rude to use somebody's facility w/o buying SOMETHING. If you
> don't need gasoline, you can always buy a Coke or a candy bar or something.
I usually get a refill of my omni-present refill cup, unless the place
is an absolute dump.
But I'm inclined to agree that McDonald's generally has cleaner
restrooms overall.
WRS
In my opinion, Walmart has the cleanest rest rooms. Use the ones back
by layaway - not the ones in the front of the store. I have never
found a dirty rest room at Walmart. There are enough Walmarts so that
about 80% of the time you are near one.
Walt
Essexville, Michigan
Guy Olsen
> In my opinion, Walmart has the cleanest rest rooms. Use the ones back
> by layaway - not the ones in the front of the store. I have never
> found a dirty rest room at Walmart. There are enough Walmarts so that
> about 80% of the time you are near one.
>
Aside from cleanliness, fast food and gas stations have one distinct
advantage over Walmart: time. At a Walmart you have to deal with:
more traffic, longer walks to/from the building, and longer walks
inside the building.
Assuming I had a choice, I would only use a Walmart bathroom if I was
already going there to buy something.
Guy Olsen, PE
US71
> In my opinion, Walmart has the cleanest rest rooms. Use the ones back
> by layaway - not the ones in the front of the store. I have never
> found a dirty rest room at Walmart. There are enough Walmarts so that
> about 80% of the time you are near one.
Well, #1 I don't want to navigate my way through the store to find it
(they aren't always in the center along the back of the store) #2 My
experience has been that not all W-M restrooms are that clean or well
stocked. Better than a lot of gas stations/c-stores yes, but McD's are
often much cleaner IMO.