Other freeways named after recent presidents (I-275 Detroit)
Dan Garnell
for recent presidents?
For example, I have not heard much about this in the last couple of months,
but there is a proposal to name I-275 in the metro Detroit area as the Ronald
Reagan Freeway. His presidency left enough of an impression on the state of
Michigan that they want name this freeway after him. (Currently, this
freeway, unlike others in the Detroit area, has no special name; only I-275.)
Any thoughts on this or any other "presidentially named" highways?
Dan Garnell
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>For example, I have not heard much about this in the last couple of months,
>but there is a proposal to name I-275 in the metro Detroit area as the Ronald
>Reagan Freeway. His presidency left enough of an impression on the state of
>Michigan that they want name this freeway after him.
That would make about as much sense as calling Interstate H-3 in Hawaii
the "Hirohito Freeway".
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"Dan Garnell" <dga...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> For example, I have not heard much about this in the last couple of
months,
> but there is a proposal to name I-275 in the metro Detroit area as the
Ronald
> Reagan Freeway. His presidency left enough of an impression on the
state of
this
> freeway, unlike others in the Detroit area, has no special name; only
I-275.)
>
> Any thoughts on this or any other "presidentially named" highways?
>
> Dan Garnell
Actually the Michigan Legislature has named this highway after the long
serving Democratic US Senator from Michigan, Phil Hart. It's just that
MDOT didn't have any spare money for signs at the time and never got
around to installing any. Apparently none of the backers thought to
research the issue before going public with their desire to honor
Reagan. I think you will see civil war break out if they try to re-name
it after someone that has no real connection to this state.
Dave
Colin
Dan Garnell wrote in message <89je7b$pcb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Besides CA-90, does anybody else have any freeways that are or will be
named
>for recent presidents?
>
>but there is a proposal to name I-275 in the metro Detroit area as the
Ronald
>Reagan Freeway. His presidency left enough of an impression on the state
of
>Michigan that they want name this freeway after him. (Currently, this
>freeway, unlike others in the Detroit area, has no special name; only
I-275.)
>
>Any thoughts on this or any other "presidentially named" highways?
I-635 in Dallas is the LBJ Freeway, and there's the new George Bush Turnpike
there.
I think eventually, Houston will have a George Bush Freeway to compliment
the airport.
colin
Dyche Anderson
>
> Besides CA-90, does anybody else have any freeways that are or will be named
> for recent presidents?
>
> For example, I have not heard much about this in the last couple of months,
> but there is a proposal to name I-275 in the metro Detroit area as the Ronald
> Reagan Freeway. His presidency left enough of an impression on the state of
> Michigan that they want name this freeway after him. (Currently, this
> freeway, unlike others in the Detroit area, has no special name; only I-275.)
>
> Any thoughts on this or any other "presidentially named" highways?
When this proposal came up last summer, MDOT pointed out that I-275 had been
designated the "Phil Hart Freeway" years ago, but it has NEVER been signed as
such.
I doubt we'll see many Bill Clinton Freeways - at least outside of Arkansas.
Personally, I have no problem naming freeways after presidents, or anyone else for
that matter. The state or local governments have the right to do so, and it makes
for interesting learning in future years who certain people are. In Detroit, for
example, how many people know who John C Lodge was? Edsel Ford and Walter Chrysler, yes,
but Lodge, no (he was a member of the Common Council who, after supporting the
building of Ambassador Bridge - which the incumbent mayor opposed - was elected
mayor himself). Oddly enough, the Ambassador Bridge was and is privately owned.
Dyche Anderson
Dyche Anderson
Mark F
>Besides CA-90, does anybody else have any freeways
>that are or will be named for recent presidents?
>
>For example, I have not heard much about this in the last
>couple of months, but there is a proposal to name I-275
>in the metro Detroit area as the Ronald Reagan Freeway...
If I recall correctly, CA118, the Simi Valley Freeway, has been
(re-?)named the Ronald Reagan Freeway.
Mark F
Chris Aseltine
including a few former presidents -
I-90 - I-90/94: Kennedy expressway
I-290: Eisenhower expressway
Dan Garnell <dga...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Besides CA-90, does anybody else have any freeways that are or will be
named
> for recent presidents?
>
> For example, I have not heard much about this in the last couple of
months,
> but there is a proposal to name I-275 in the metro Detroit area as the
Ronald
> Reagan Freeway. His presidency left enough of an impression on the state
of
> Michigan that they want name this freeway after him. (Currently, this
> freeway, unlike others in the Detroit area, has no special name; only
I-275.)
>
> Any thoughts on this or any other "presidentially named" highways?
>
Brian ten Siethoff
"No New Taxes" now even has a toll road named after him.
Incidentally, the Houston Intercontinental Airport is now officially George Bush
Intercontinental Airport.
The section of I-635 (the Dallas beltway) on the north side of Dallas is the LBJ
Freeway (okay, not so recent).
Brian ten Siethoff
Rob
Michael G. Koerner
name the entire length on I-57 (unnamed) in the state after Ronald
Reagan (born and raised in Illinois), but they decided to give the name
to US 14 (Northwest Highway) instead.
Chris Aseltine wrote:
>
> Several of the Chicago expressways are named after political leaders
> including a few former presidents -
>
> I-90 - I-90/94: Kennedy expressway
> I-290: Eisenhower expressway
Don't forget the presidential 'loser', too, Adali Stevenson (I-55).
> Dan Garnell <dga...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:89je7b$pcb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Besides CA-90, does anybody else have any freeways that are or will be
> named
> > for recent presidents?
> >
> > For example, I have not heard much about this in the last couple of
> months,
> > but there is a proposal to name I-275 in the metro Detroit area as the
> Ronald
> > Reagan Freeway. His presidency left enough of an impression on the state
> of
> > Michigan that they want name this freeway after him. (Currently, this
> > freeway, unlike others in the Detroit area, has no special name; only
> I-275.)
> >
> > Any thoughts on this or any other "presidentially named" highways?
> >
> > Dan Garnell
> >
> >
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> > Before you buy.
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>
> I-196 in Michigan is the Gerald R Ford freeway.
Damn! You beat me to it! I was also going to point out that while
I-196 (BTW, only from US-31 at Holland to I-96 in Grand Rapids) was
named after G R Ford, it was within the last couple months that the
Kent County International Aiport in Grand Rapids was also named after
the former prez--it's now the Gerald R Ford International Airport.
Then again, anything in Grand Rapids not already named for Jay Van Andel
or Dick DeVos (founders of Amway), it's claimed in honor of G R Ford.
Later,
Chris
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Dyche Anderson
(I-94) in Detroit and a Gerald Ford Freeway (I-196) in West Michigan. Are there
any other instances of multiple freeways named after different people with the
same last name in the same state? Two freeways named after the same person
do NOT count.
Dyche Anderson
jason...@my-deja.com
190. The highway was removed from the state highway system when it was
decided that the highway was to be built as a tollroad. This is the
information that I received from TxDOT. Of course, mapping companies
are a little slow to respond. It also explains why the exit signs for
the freeway are not labeled as TX190. Depending on which freeway you
are on when you cross the Turnpike, the exit signs are different.
Heading north or southbound on US75, it is signed simply
as "Turnpike". From the Dallas North Tollway, I think it is also
labeled "Turnpike". When they finish construction of the PGBT and
IH35E, who knows what they will call that exit.
In article <38BECA8D...@mail.utexas.edu>,
Brian ten Siethoff <bt...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> George Bush Tollway (Texas Highway 190) north of Dallas, TX. How
ironic that Mr.
> "No New Taxes" now even has a toll road named after him.
>
> Incidentally, the Houston Intercontinental Airport is now officially
George Bush
> Intercontinental Airport.
>
> The section of I-635 (the Dallas beltway) on the north side of Dallas
is the LBJ
> Freeway (okay, not so recent).
>
> Brian ten Siethoff
>
> Dan Garnell wrote:
>
Marc Fannin
> Rob wrote:
>
> > I-196 in Michigan is the Gerald R Ford freeway.
>
> I was also going to point out that while I-196 (BTW, only from US-31
> at Holland to I-96 in Grand Rapids) was named after G R Ford....
The signs for 196 and 31 on I-94 also call it the G.R. Ford Freeway,
which points to the whole thing being called that.
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Chris Bessert
>
> Bess...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Rob wrote:
> >
> > > I-196 in Michigan is the Gerald R Ford freeway.
> >
> > I was also going to point out that while I-196 (BTW, only from US-31
> > at Holland to I-96 in Grand Rapids) was named after G R Ford....
>
> The signs for 196 and 31 on I-94 also call it the G.R. Ford Freeway,
> which points to the whole thing being called that.
Where? On I-94, the exit signage for I-196/US-31 reads as follows:
Ebd I-94: "EXIT 34: I-196/US-31 NORTH - Holland/Grand Rapids"
Wbd I-94: "EXIT 34: I-196/US-31 NORTH - South Haven/Holland"
A supplimental sign eastbound reads "South Haven."
In my experience, I have seen no signs designating I-196 in Berrien
Co as the G R Ford Frwy. In fact, there are none around here in
Holland, just references to the stretch east of US-31 on maps. The
only actualy "G R Ford Frwy" references on guide signs exist in the
Greater Grand Rapids area, especially at the junctions with US-131
downtown and I-96 east of town. If you know of any down by Benton
Harbor, let me know and I'll make the necessary changes!
Thanks,
Marc Fannin
> Marc Fannin wrote:
> >
> > Bess...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Rob wrote:
> > >
> > > > I-196 in Michigan is the Gerald R Ford freeway.
> > >
> > > I was also going to point out that while I-196 (BTW, only from US-
> > > 31 at Holland to I-96 in Grand Rapids) was named after G R
> > > Ford....
> >
> > The signs for 196 and 31 on I-94 also call it the G.R. Ford Freeway,
> > which points to the whole thing being called that.
>
> Where? On I-94, the exit signage for I-196/US-31 reads as follows:
>
> Ebd I-94: "EXIT 34: I-196/US-31 NORTH - Holland/Grand Rapids"
> Wbd I-94: "EXIT 34: I-196/US-31 NORTH - South Haven/Holland"
>
> A supplimental sign eastbound reads "South Haven."
Well, then, they've been changed. The change must have taken place
during the large-scale sign rehabilitation on I-94 in the
late-'80's/early-'90's (a friend who still lives back there reported
that to me from the local paper -- roadgeek/railfans may know this
person from misc.transport.rail.americas as "nos...@nospam.com"). But
even though the signs no longer state the name, does this mean the name
has been removed from this particular section? I think this is
something worth researching.
Brandon M. Gorte
: Marc Fannin wrote:
: > Bess...@aol.com wrote:
: > > Rob wrote:
: > >
: > > > I-196 in Michigan is the Gerald R Ford freeway.
: > >
: > > I was also going to point out that while I-196 (BTW, only from US-31
: >
: > The signs for 196 and 31 on I-94 also call it the G.R. Ford Freeway,
: > which points to the whole thing being called that.
: Where? On I-94, the exit signage for I-196/US-31 reads as follows:
: Ebd I-94: "EXIT 34: I-196/US-31 NORTH - Holland/Grand Rapids"
: Wbd I-94: "EXIT 34: I-196/US-31 NORTH - South Haven/Holland"
: A supplimental sign eastbound reads "South Haven."
: In my experience, I have seen no signs designating I-196 in Berrien
: Co as the G R Ford Frwy. In fact, there are none around here in
: Holland, just references to the stretch east of US-31 on maps. The
: only actualy "G R Ford Frwy" references on guide signs exist in the
: Greater Grand Rapids area, especially at the junctions with US-131
: downtown and I-96 east of town. If you know of any down by Benton
: Harbor, let me know and I'll make the necessary changes!
I've never seen a sign for the GR Ford Frwy on I-94 in my travels between
Detroit and Chicago.
Come to think of it, most Michigan freeways don't have their names on the
bgs's, with the Southfield being the exception.
Brandon Gorte
Undergrad in Geological Engineering
Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI
http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~bmgorte/freeway.html
Dan Garnell
On M-10, the Lodge Freeway, everyway major freeway intersection
features the fwy # as well as the name. This includes "I-94 -
Ford Fwy", "I-75 - Fisher Fwy", "M-39 - Southfield Fwy." The only
exception is I-696 is only signed as such; I-696. This is considering
that M-10 was resigned sometime in the mid 1990s.
In contrast, for example, I-75 was reconstructed in downtown Detroit
last summer, and before then, I-96 and M-10 were labeled along with
their freeway names, as "I-96/Jeffries Fwy/Lansing" and "M-10/
Lodge Fwy". With the re-signing, the signs now read "I-96/Lansing"
and "M-10/Southfield/Civic Ctr".
The trend of naming freeways on BGSs is now being downplayed by MDOT.
Dan Garnell
Chris Bessert
>
> Bess...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Marc Fannin wrote:
> > >
> > > Bess...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rob wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I-196 in Michigan is the Gerald R Ford freeway.
> > > >
> > > > I was also going to point out that while I-196 (BTW, only from US-
> > > > Ford....
> > >
> > > The signs for 196 and 31 on I-94 also call it the G.R. Ford Freeway,
> > > which points to the whole thing being called that.
> >
> > Where? On I-94, the exit signage for I-196/US-31 reads as follows:
> >
> > Ebd I-94: "EXIT 34: I-196/US-31 NORTH - Holland/Grand Rapids"
> > Wbd I-94: "EXIT 34: I-196/US-31 NORTH - South Haven/Holland"
> >
> > A supplimental sign eastbound reads "South Haven."
>
> during the large-scale sign rehabilitation on I-94 in the
> state the name, does this mean the name has been removed from this
> particular section? I think this is something worth researching.
I wasn't aware the state had placed the "G R Ford Frwy" text on the
signs for I-196 as far south as Benton Harbor area. That kinda does
point to the fact that the entire Interstate may be named for Ford.
My understanding was that the portion of I-196 which opened during
the Ford administration (from US-31 at Holland to [Old] M-21/Chicago
Dr in Grandville), as well as the previously-completed portion
through Ford's hometown of Grand Rapids was named in his honor. I
will try to find some more 'official' source of information, but I
won't hold my breath, since it seems the naming of freeways in Michi-
gan is an inexact science, at best. (Case in point: What is M-10
between M-102/Eight Mile Rd and I-696 in Southfield? The John C
Lodge Frwy as the signs lead you to believe? Northwestern Hwy, it's
'traditional' name? The Adler Memorial Hwy? I won't even bring up
James Couzens name...)
Thanks for the heads up,
Chris
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Dyche Anderson
> On M-10, the Lodge Freeway, everyway major freeway intersection
> features the fwy # as well as the name. This includes "I-94 -
> Ford Fwy", "I-75 - Fisher Fwy", "M-39 - Southfield Fwy." The only
> exception is I-696 is only signed as such; I-696. This is considering
> that M-10 was resigned sometime in the mid 1990s.
>
> In contrast, for example, I-75 was reconstructed in downtown Detroit
> last summer, and before then, I-96 and M-10 were labeled along with
> their freeway names, as "I-96/Jeffries Fwy/Lansing" and "M-10/
> Lodge Fwy". With the re-signing, the signs now read "I-96/Lansing"
> and "M-10/Southfield/Civic Ctr".
>
> The trend of naming freeways on BGSs is now being downplayed by MDOT.
>
The Southfield (M-39), Lodge (M-10), and Davison (M-8) freeways will probably
always be known by names instead of numbers for some very good reasons.
The Southfield and Davison freeways were built from existing Southfield Road
and Davison Ave, both of which still exist at the terminii of the freeways.
The Lodge was built as the Lodge (c. 1948) long before it was numbered, and is on
its third number (BS-696 and US-10 preceded it). In addition, the Davison Freeway,
built during WWII, was not signed as M-8 until 1997 or 1998.
The Detroit radio station I most listen to does their traffic reports in the following
order: "I-94, I-96, I-696, I-275, I-75, the Southfield, and the Lodge." The other
major roads and freeways only get mentioned if there are problems. I-94, I-96, and I-75
all have multiple names, and the radio will often mention the "I-94 Ford Freeway" or the
"I-96 Jeffries Freeway" (but not the other named stretches). Some of the older names like
Detroit Industrial Freeway, Willow Run Freeway, and Seaway Freeway are NEVER used
anymore, while the Fisher Freeway, Chrysler Freeway, and Reuther Freeway are used on
occasion.
Dyche Anderson