Weird Midwest city pronunciations
Matthew A. Walcoff
places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
example:
Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
East Palestine (PAL-a-steen), Ohio
Cairo (KAY-ro), Illinois
Peru (PEE-ru), Indiana
New Madrid (MA-drid), Missouri
Matt
Patrick L. Humphrey
>Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
>places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
>example:
>Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
...which is the same as it's said in Peru (the country, not the town), last
time I looked.
>East Palestine (PAL-a-steen), Ohio
We've got one of those in Texas, too, though without the "East"...could the
original founders have been from Ohio?
>Cairo (KAY-ro), Illinois
>Peru (PEE-ru), Indiana
>New Madrid (MA-drid), Missouri
The upper midwest doesn't have any particular monopoly on such curiosities.
You can find quite a few of them here in Texas:
Manor (near Austin): more like Mayner
Elgin (also near Austin): that's a guttural "g", not a "j"
Refugio (between Victoria and Corpus Christi): if you want to sound like a
local, it's "Refurio"
Bexar (the county San Antonio is in): Bear
Manchaca (street _and_ suburb of Austin): Manshack
--PLH, oops...now the visitors will try and pass as locals, for sure :)
jupiter
>>Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
>>places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
>>example:
>>
>>Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
This is also how the capital of Peru is pronounced, although it is not
how the bean is pronounced.
Steve Riner
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> Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
> places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
> example:
>
> Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
> Cairo (KAY-ro), Illinois
> Peru (PEE-ru), Indiana
> New Madrid (MA-drid), Missouri
Not to mention Montevideo, Minnesota (pronounced Mont-ta-VID-ee-oh rather
than the Mon-tay-vid-AY-oh any Uruguayan would say).
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>
> Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named
> after places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny?
> For example:
>
> Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
> East Palestine (PAL-a-steen), Ohio
> Cairo (KAY-ro), Illinois
> Peru (PEE-ru), Indiana
> New Madrid (MA-drid), Missouri
Another Cairo, another pronunciation:
Cairo, NE (CARE-oh)
Norfolk, NE (NOR-fork)
Eric J.
Ohio Roads Fan
LEE-mah.
Ohio Roads Fan
Ohio Roads Fan
the city in France. Dalton, Ohio (Wayne County) is pronounced "Deltin".
Ohio Roads Fan
Jason Hancock
>
> Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
> places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
> example:
>
> Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
> East Palestine (PAL-a-steen), Ohio
> Cairo (KAY-ro), Illinois
> Peru (PEE-ru), Indiana
> New Madrid (MA-drid), Missouri
There's also Lisbon ("LIZ-bun") and Tripoli ("tri-POLE-uh") in Iowa.
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Christopher Blaney
>Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
>places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
>example:
Additional examples:
Du Bois, PA It is DUE BOYS and not Duu Bwawse.
And I know Ephrata, PA, is F-rihta and not E-frata, and of course, the world
famous Toledo, OH, woefully mispronounced.
This courtesy of my H.S. Spanish teacher who told a student (thankfully, not
me) "Taleedo es en Ohio, TO-LAYDO es en España!" This may have been the same
student who said, I kid you not, "El Booko" when the correct word was "el
libro".
Chris Blaney
CrazyOne
<ohhw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Versailles, Ohio (Darke County) is pronounced "Versales" not "Versigh" like
> the city in France. Dalton, Ohio (Wayne County) is pronounced "Deltin".
Here in SW PA they pronounce all kinds of stuff weird. As far as city
names, we've got a North Versailles which is also pronounced "versales".
They also pronounce the steel baron's name (and town) "car-NEG-ie" instead
of the easier and common outside this area "CAR-ne-gie". And the other
one I hear a lot is "MON-roe-ville" instead of "mun-ROE-ville". Again,
the common pronunciation is actually harder to say. Weird.
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Mike McManus
Matthew A. Walcoff wrote:
> Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
> places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
> example:
>
> Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
I have never heard an Ohioan pronounce Lima, OH this way; perhaps to
distinguish it from Lima, Peru which *is* correctly pronounced as you
mention. I've always heard it pronounced (LYE-mah) as it is in "lima bean".
> East Palestine (PAL-a-steen), Ohio
> Cairo (KAY-ro), Illinois
> Peru (PEE-ru), Indiana
Also in Indiana: Versailles (ver-SALES), rather than (vair-SIGH) as the
French pronounce it.
> New Madrid (MA-drid), Missouri
In New York we have
Chili (CHYE-LYE), as has been mentioned a couple of times in other
threads
Charlotte (shar-LOTT), a neighborhood within Rochester (although
newscasters do pronounce Charlotte, NC correctly)
Conesus (ca-NEE-shus), often confused with Canisius College
Skaneateles ("skinny Atlas" ;-)
And there is some contention over LeRoy: some pronounce it
(leh-ROY), others (LEE-roy). The exit sign from the Thruway
was corrected with the capital R so people wouldn't think
the control cities were someone's name (i.e. "Leroy Rochester").
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Al Tossoonian
Quincy, MA is pronounced Quinzy.
Monsey, NY is pronounced Muncie.
Hawthorne, NJ is pronounced Hawrthorne by many of the locals.
Morristown, Moorestown and Mauricetown (all in NJ) are all pronounced the
same way.
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mwal...@wam.umd.edu (Matthew A. Walcoff) wrote:
> Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
> places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
> example:
>
> Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
> Matt
>
You mean /LYE-mah/. LEE-mah is the "correct" (Peruvian) pronunciation. It's
LYE-mah Ohio. There's also LYE-mah Road across the border in Fort Wayne.
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mwal...@wam.umd.edu (Matthew A. Walcoff) wrote:
> Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
> places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
> example:
>
> Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
> Cairo (KAY-ro), Illinois
> Peru (PEE-ru), Indiana
>
> Matt
>
One of the weirdest I have come upon is the Embarrass River in Illinois. It's
pronounced "Ambra".
Tom
Fort Wayne
(OK -- so it's a river, not a city. Sue me.)
GeneJYao
In Charlottesville, VA there is a road called Rio Rd. which is pronounced
RYE-oh
There's Canton, OH whcih isn't pronounced like Canton, China (though I'm sure
there was enver an intent to name the Ohio city after the one in China)
There's WHAR-shington, PA instead of Washington, PA
There's Naah-fuk, Virginia instead of Norfolk
There's LAY-trobe, PA (though some people also pronounce it more conventioanlly
as Leh-trobe)
Then there's the various Lebanons across the nation which are pronounced
Leh-buh-nun instead of Leb-ah-non (like it is in the Middle East) and the
various places down south where -ville is pronoucned as -vuhl as in Dan-vuhl,
VA
James D Thompson
> There's Naah-fuk, Virginia instead of Norfolk
There isn't Naah-anything in Virginia. It's Naw(r)-fuk.
David Thompson, Mathews is spelled with one 'T', dammit...
Michael G. Koerner
'BER-lin' and 'New BER-lin', *not* 'Ber-LIN' and 'New Ber-LIN'.
The pronunciations were changed during the very early 20th century when
German things became unpopular in the days leading up to the USA involvement
in World War I.
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>In Wisconsin it is:
>'BER-lin' and 'New BER-lin', *not* 'Ber-LIN' and 'New Ber-LIN'.
>The pronunciations were changed during the very early 20th >century when
>German things became unpopular in the days leading up to the USA >involvement
That probably explains the BER-lin in New Hampshire. I wonder if this is the
same reason some Viennas are called Vy-enna (becuase Austria-Hungary was allied
with Germany).
Neil Kelly
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>Morristown, Moorestown and Mauricetown (all in NJ) are all pronounced the
>same way.
Which causes problems for my company as we're opening locations in two of
'em. Try explaining to a caller that the boss is in "Morestown" and not be
able to tell which side of New Jersey has him.
Isn't Rensselaer pronunced differently by New York state folk depending on
whether it's the city or county?
Somers is pronounced "SO-mers" in New York but "SUM-mers" in Connecticut. Or
vice versa.
Al Tossoonian
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> There's WHAR-shington, PA instead of Washington, PA
Poor George. In some places they say WHAR-shington and in Washington
Heights (upper Manhattan) the old timers say Washed-in Heights. Especially
on "A hun-seveny-ay Street" (178th Street).
Regards,
Al
Bob Goudreau
: There's LAY-trobe, PA (though some people also pronounce it more
: conventioanlly as Leh-trobe)
Interestingly, Latrobe's major claim to national fame, the brewery
that produces Rolling Rock Beer, uses the latter pronunciation in
its radio spots.
My contributions to the thread (not limited to the Midwest):
Calais, Maine -- pronounced "callous" like the thick formation of
skin, not "Kallay" like the city in France.
Wendell, NC -- pronounced with the stress on the second syllable,
even though it was named to honor Oliver Wendell Holms,
whose name is stressed on the first syllable. Supposedly,
this usage evolved because a railroad conductor found that
announcing "wen-DELL" worked better than "WEN-dell".
Beaufort, NC ("Bo-fert") and Beaufort, SC ("Byu-fert"). At least
one of these must be unfaithful to the pronunciation of
the original place name in England, though I don't know
which.
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mmcm...@frontiernet.net wrote:
> > Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
>
> I have never heard an Ohioan pronounce Lima, OH this way; perhaps to
> distinguish it from Lima, Peru which *is* correctly pronounced as you
> mention. I've always heard it pronounced (LYE-mah) as it is in "lima bean".
It is also mispronounced in NYS.
> Chili (CHYE-LYE), as has been mentioned a couple of times in other
> threads
>
> Charlotte (shar-LOTT), a neighborhood within Rochester (although
> newscasters do pronounce Charlotte, NC correctly)
Formerly an incorporated village prior to annexation in 1910(?).
>
> Conesus (ca-NEE-shus), often confused with Canisius College
This is a commonly used, but not accepted mispronunciation. Ka-NEE-sus is
still correct. Ka-NEE-shus is only the college and high school in Buffalo.
>
> Skaneateles ("skinny Atlas" ;-)
>
> And there is some contention over LeRoy: some pronounce it
> (leh-ROY), others (LEE-roy). The exit sign from the Thruway
> was corrected with the capital R so people wouldn't think
> the control cities were someone's name (i.e. "Leroy Rochester").
I've only heard Le-ROY, except from a prank phone caller who said he lived
between Victor and LEE-Roy, ostensibly imagined buddies of his, as he was
affecting a hillbilly accent. They are actually towns in New York; if you
lived between them you might be in LYE-ma.
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"Neil Kelly" <neil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Isn't Rensselaer pronunced differently by New York state folk depending on
> whether it's the city or county?
No. (Not that I know of.)
Patrick L. Humphrey
>Patrick L. Humphrey <pat...@io.com> had written:
>| You can find quite a few of them here in Texas:
>There used to be a pronunciation guide in the _Texas Almanac_.
I haven't looked at a Texas Almanac in years -- but you don't mean the
prnunciation guide is gone, do you? (Not that that's necessarily a bad thing,
of course...can't be giving away all of our secrets to the outsiders, and all
that. :-)
>Still didn't prevent me from blowing "San Felipe", "San Jacinto",
>and my all time favourite, "Anahuac", the first time I encountered
>them at KTRH.
There's one of my pet peeves -- even at KTRH these days, there are enough
newcomers to the area who think that "San Felipe" here is obviously Spanish
that that pronunciation is starting to crop up all too frequently for the
liking of some of us old-timers. Then again, no one's trying to rename Humble
(take the "H" out if it's the town, put it back in if it's the oil company now
doing business as Exxon), so maybe it's not quite time to sound the general
alarm...
--PLH, watch 'em try and figure out Mexia and Waxahachie, though
Marc Fannin
goud...@dg-rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau) wrote:
> GeneJYao (gene...@aol.com) wrote:
>
> : There's LAY-trobe, PA (though some people also pronounce it more
> : conventioanlly as Leh-trobe)
>
> Interestingly, Latrobe's major claim to national fame, the brewery
> that produces Rolling Rock Beer, uses the latter pronunciation in
> its radio spots.
>
> My contributions to the thread (not limited to the Midwest):
>
> Calais, Maine -- pronounced "callous" like the thick formation of
> skin, not "Kallay" like the city in France.
>
> Wendell, NC -- pronounced with the stress on the second syllable,
> even though it was named to honor Oliver Wendell Holms,
> whose name is stressed on the first syllable. Supposedly,
> this usage evolved because a railroad conductor found that
> announcing "wen-DELL" worked better than "WEN-dell".
>
> Beaufort, NC ("Bo-fert") and Beaufort, SC ("Byu-fert"). At least
> one of these must be unfaithful to the pronunciation of
> the original place name in England, though I don't know
> which.
Lafayette: (la-fee-ET) in Indiana, but (la-FAY-yet) in Tennessee.
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Matthew A. Walcoff
: Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
: places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
: example:
: Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
My mistake. LIE-mah.
Matt
: East Palestine (PAL-a-steen), Ohio
Robert Edsall
Shar-LOTT (Charlotte), VT
doo BOYZ (Du Bois), PA
and, I guess you couls say that Montpelier should be Moh-pel-lee-AY, and
Vermont should be Vair-MOHn...
another capital city... PEER (not Pee-AIR), SD.
Anybody keeping a list of these? This is a fun thread...
Rob
Will Flor
>Matthew A. Walcoff (mwal...@wam.umd.edu) wrote:
>: Cairo (KAY-ro), Illinois
Nope, this is NOT the correct pronunciation for Cairo, Illinois. It is
pronounced "karo", with equal emphasis on each syllable. There's a corn
syrup produce available in grocery stores that's pronounced the same way. I
lived near there for quite a few years, and "KAY-ro" is never the way locals
pronounce it. It's a different vowel sound (the middle of the word sounds
like the word "air" - the vowel is not like the one in "say" at all) and a
different syllabic emphasis.
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craz...@SPAMXcity-net.com (Greg Pacek) wrote:
> In article <6oort5$hjn$1...@cletus.bright.net>, "Ohio Roads Fan"
> <ohhw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Versailles, Ohio (Darke County) is pronounced "Versales" not "Versigh" like
> > the city in France. Dalton, Ohio (Wayne County) is pronounced "Deltin".
>
> Here in SW PA they pronounce all kinds of stuff weird. As far as city
> names, we've got a North Versailles which is also pronounced "versales".
Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania...and Missouri (Ver-SALES, Mo., is ~20 mi SSE
of Sedalia).
Anyplace in this country where that town's pronounced as the French would?
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> Additional examples:
>
> Du Bois, PA It is DUE BOYS and not Duu Bwawse.
Maybe it was named for William Edward Burghardt... ? ;-)
Patrick L. Humphrey
>Patrick L. Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote:
>>markrob...@tezcat.com (Mark Roberts) writes:
>>>Patrick L. Humphrey <pat...@io.com> had written:
>>>| You can find quite a few of them here in Texas:
>>>There used to be a pronunciation guide in the _Texas Almanac_.
>>I haven't looked at a Texas Almanac in years -- but you don't mean the
>>prnunciation guide is gone, do you?
>It was in the 1985 Almanac but not present in the Sesquicentennial
>Edition. I haven't seen the issues for subsequent years.
I have a few things to do this evening that involve a local bookstore, so I'll
check it out and see what's going on with the Almanac.
>(Not that that's necessarily a bad thing,
>>of course...can't be giving away all of our secrets to the outsiders, and all
>>that. :-)
>At KTRH, we were *instructed* to get the Texas Almanac specifically
>for the pronunciation guide.
That was back when they were still under local ownership, though -- and they
didn't have ten other radio stations in the same market under the same
ownership.
>>>Still didn't prevent me from blowing "San Felipe", "San Jacinto",
>>>and my all time favourite, "Anahuac", the first time I encountered
>>>them at KTRH.
>>There's one of my pet peeves -- even at KTRH these days, there are enough
>>newcomers to the area who think that "San Felipe" here is obviously Spanish
>>that that pronunciation is starting to crop up all too frequently for the
>>liking of some of us old-timers. Then again, no one's trying to rename Humble
>>(take the "H" out if it's the town, put it back in if it's the oil company now
>>doing business as Exxon), so maybe it's not quite time to sound the general
>>alarm...
>That station has been a revolving door for years, leading
>to the belief that the calls now stand for "Keep Those
>Resumes Handy". I also thought the predecessor to Exxon was
>referred to as "the 'Umble".
Not that I ever heard, back when they still were Humble Oil -- and my father
worked for them for a shade better than twenty years after we moved down here
in 1965.
>The silent occurs occasionally elsewhere, e.g. Humphries, Mo.
>(right next to Osgood).
Remind me to avoid that place, then -- my father was born with that spelling
of his last name (which got changed to the version I bear when he was in the
Air Force, through the good old "clerical error", which he's let slide for the
last 55 years or so...)
>>--PLH, watch 'em try and figure out Mexia and Waxahachie, though
>I *dare* you to pronounce "Bois d'Arc"! :-)
Pronouce it? We wouldn't even drive through it, when I was a kid and we had
to make the trek home to Kentucky to visit the grandparents (this was before
such luxuries as Interstate highways in Arkansas)...:-)
--PLH, guessing "boys dee arc"
jbej...@my-dejanews.com
> The upper midwest doesn't have any particular monopoly on such curiosities.
> You can find quite a few of them here in Texas:
>
> Elgin (also near Austin): that's a guttural "g", not a "j"
> Refugio (between Victoria and Corpus Christi): if you want to sound like a
> local, it's "Refurio"
> Bexar (the county San Antonio is in): Bear
> Manchaca (street _and_ suburb of Austin): Manshack
>
> --PLH, oops...now the visitors will try and pass as locals, for sure :)
>
From what was explained to me, Bexar County, gets its name from the same
little town in Spain where my last name comes from, Bejar. It's a little
town in Castille not too far from Salamanca.
Bejar is pronounced (bay-HAR)
Bejarano is pronounced (bay-har-AH-no)
I think Bexar county is supposed to be pronounced (bay-HAR) as well, but is
just pronounced (BEAR) since it's easier to say. That happens with my name a
lot. (That is, when people come anywhere close to pronouncing my name
correctly).
--John Bejarano.
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> places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
> example:
>
> Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
> Cairo (KAY-ro), Illinois
> Peru (PEE-ru), Indiana
> New Madrid (MA-drid), Missouri
>
> Matt
>
Merced County, CA has Delhi pronounced (DEL-hi) instead of (DEL-ee) like the
city in India. Though I suppose people asking for directions for (DEL-ee)
would want to know if they wanted ham or turkey on their sandwich.
The oddest pronunciation in the Bay Area is Vallejo (va-LAY-ho).
The double L's are given an Anglican pronunciation, but the J is given a
Spanish pronunciation. You'd think it would either be (va-LAY-jo), or
(va-YAY-ho). Anyone have any insights into that one?
Oh, and getting back to roads for a bit, in Solano County on Westbound I-80
East of Vallejo, there is a freeway sign that shows the control cities as:
San Francisco
Vallejo
Out-of-towners may think you'd be coming to San Francisco before Vallejo, but
that's not true.
Mike McManus
nwp...@student.berklee.edu wrote:
> I've only heard Le-ROY, except from a prank phone caller who said he lived
> between Victor and LEE-Roy, ostensibly imagined buddies of his, as he was
> affecting a hillbilly accent. They are actually towns in New York; if you
> lived between them you might be in LYE-ma.
Reminds me of the time, not long after I moved to Rochester, when I was
momentarily confused about the quickest route back to work from a restaurant
where a friend and I had just had lunch. Thinking aloud, I mentioned that it
would be quickest "if I just take Howard to Buffalo". (Howard Road intersects
Buffalo Road -- NY 33 -- in the town of Gates.) My friend responded, "Well, I
hope you two have a good time." ;-)
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Dave Schul
>Anyplace in this country where that town's pronounced as the French would?
I thought a lot of places in Louisiana would be, but even there it
seems that most have been Americanized, or Cajunized, or something.
Thibodeaux is "TIB-a-doe" IIRC, which would be pretty close to the
original French.
Do you suppose a native French speaker would have any trouble with
Natchitoches? A Shreveport native told me it's pronounced
"NAK-a-dish". The city in Texas often confused with this one,
Nacogdoches, is "NAG-a-DOE-chiss".
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Ron Newman
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> There's one of my pet peeves -- even at KTRH these days, there are enough
> newcomers to the area who think that "San Felipe" here is obviously Spanish
> that that pronunciation is starting to crop up all too frequently for the
> liking of some of us old-timers.
So, what's the right way to pronounce it? If I were from out of town,
I'd guess on "San f'LEEP-ay" (and it sounds like I'd be wrong).
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Nicholas Corwin
rne...@thecia.net (Ron Newman) wrote:
> In article <szkhg0d...@dillinger.io.com>, pat...@io.com (Patrick L.
> Humphrey) wrote:
>
> > There's one of my pet peeves -- even at KTRH these days, there are enough
> > newcomers to the area who think that "San Felipe" here is obviously Spanish
> > that that pronunciation is starting to crop up all too frequently for the
> > liking of some of us old-timers.
>
> So, what's the right way to pronounce it? If I were from out of town,
> I'd guess on "San f'LEEP-ay" (and it sounds like I'd be wrong).
>
Many of these completely denude the mother tongue of the slightest
shred of linguistic authenticity. A few of my favorities:
Terre Haute, IN
Devon Ave., in Chicago (Da-van, rather than the correct DEVon)
Des Moines
Cairo, Ill. (Cay-ro, rather than Cairo)
Cheers,
Nicholas Corwin
Exile on Market Street
> From what was explained to me, Bexar County, gets its name from the same
> little town in Spain where my last name comes from, Bejar. It's a little
> town in Castille not too far from Salamanca.
>
> Bejar is pronounced (bay-HAR)
> Bejarano is pronounced (bay-har-AH-no)
Wouldn't the same rule apply to "Texas" itself, since IIRC, it comes from a
<mumble> Indian word "Tejas" ("Friends")?
Bob Goudreau
: The oddest pronunciation in the Bay Area is Vallejo (va-LAY-ho).
: The double L's are given an Anglican pronunciation...
And what would be the Presbyterian pronunciation? How about the
Lutheran one? Or the Catholic?
(Ducking for cover...)
:-) :-)
Christopher W. Geelhart
> >
> > I have never heard an Ohioan pronounce Lima, OH this way; perhaps to
> > distinguish it from Lima, Peru which *is* correctly pronounced as you
> > mention. I've always heard it pronounced (LYE-mah) as it is in "lima bean".
Illinois also has a couple interesting pronunciations:
Athens -- pronounced with a "long" A at the beginning (ay-thens)
San Jose -- Second part is pronounced "Joe's"
Rio -- pronounced RYE-oh
Although oddly, El Paso is actually pronounced "El Paso". :-)
Chris G.
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jbej...@my-dejanews.com
>
> > From what was explained to me, Bexar County, gets its name from the same
> > little town in Spain where my last name comes from, Bejar. It's a little
> > town in Castille not too far from Salamanca.
> >
> > Bejar is pronounced (bay-HAR)
> > Bejarano is pronounced (bay-har-AH-no)
>
> Wouldn't the same rule apply to "Texas" itself, since IIRC, it comes from a
> <mumble> Indian word "Tejas" ("Friends")?
>
Mmm, possibly, but Bexar County, TX is never pronounced (BEKS-ar) as Texas is
pronounced (TEKS-us).
Will Flor
> Cairo, Ill. (Cay-ro, rather than Cairo)
Nope, as posted here in the very recent past, this is NOT the correct
pronunciation of Cairo, IL, as defined by the locals. The correct
pronunciation is *exactly* as it's spelled (unlike the city in Egypt;) the
first vowel is as in the word "air", not as in the word "say". Furthermore,
the accent is NOT on the first syllable; both syllables have equal emphasis.
As one who lived near the dismal burb of Cairo for several years, this is
*always* the way locals pronounce it.
Stephen A. Hill
>Lima (LEE-mah), Ohio
Which all agree should have been LYE-mah.
>East Palestine (PAL-a-steen), Ohio
>Cairo (KAY-ro), Illinois
>Peru (PEE-ru), Indiana
>New Madrid (MA-drid), Missouri
Also in Ohio:
Milan (MY-lan)
Rio Grande (RYE-o Grand)
Steve Hill
An Ohio Highways Person
David J. Greenberger
> Nope, as posted here in the very recent past, this is NOT the correct
> pronunciation of Cairo, IL, as defined by the locals. The correct
> pronunciation is *exactly* as it's spelled (unlike the city in Egypt;) the
> first vowel is as in the word "air", not as in the word "say". Furthermore,
> the accent is NOT on the first syllable; both syllables have equal emphasis.
> As one who lived near the dismal burb of Cairo for several years, this is
> *always* the way locals pronounce it.
Every multisyllabic word in English (and most other languages) has
stress. Stress in bisyllabic words is most often found on the first
syllable, as in the case of Cairo (IL). It may not be terribly
strong, but it's certainly there.
--
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Colin
> From what was explained to me, Bexar County, gets its name from the same
> little town in Spain where my last name comes from, Bejar. It's a little
> town in Castille not too far from Salamanca.
Slightly true. How did Corpus Christi get it's name? Kind of strange
when translated.
>
> Bejar is pronounced (bay-HAR)
> Bejarano is pronounced (bay-har-AH-no)
>
> I think Bexar county is supposed to be pronounced (bay-HAR) as well, but is
> just pronounced (BEAR) since it's easier to say. That happens with my name a
> lot. (That is, when people come anywhere close to pronouncing my name
> correctly).
You didn't take Texas History I'm guessing. Bexar County came from the
old, huge name in spanish for san antonio which basically comes out to,
Fort Bexar of San Antonio. This is the present day, Alamo, and it used
to be the biggest fort in the area, hence the name Bexar. I can't
remember if it was originally Bejar or Bexar, but it's pronounced the
same in spanish so who gives. This was just the old name of the area.
Also, an interesting fact, Texas was originally called 'Teyshas' by the
Indians that lived there (don't recall which tribe), but the spanish
couldn't pronounce the 'sh' sound, so it came out with a 'h' sound.
What is the correct Texan pronounciation of Anahuac? I've always heard
and said "an-uh-WAK", which sounds really funny. And I always wondered
about the Texan pronounciation of San Jacinto with the 'g' sound on the
j despite California's San Jacinto, pronounced correctly.
In Houston there's also Kuykendahl Road, which everyone calls
"KUR-ken-dahl", but does any german speaker know the correct way to say
this? There are plenty of other German roads in Texas that only german
speakers can pronounce and texans simply try at.
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>In article <6p0q5q$ckh$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, jbej...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> From what was explained to me, Bexar County, gets its name from the same
>> little town in Spain where my last name comes from, Bejar. It's a little
>> town in Castille not too far from Salamanca.
>> Bejar is pronounced (bay-HAR)
>> Bejarano is pronounced (bay-har-AH-no)
>Wouldn't the same rule apply to "Texas" itself, since IIRC, it comes from a
><mumble> Indian word "Tejas" ("Friends")?
If I remember right, it was the Karankawas whose tongue gave us "Tejas"...but
since then, while the Spanish orthography may be preserved, the English
pronunciation has taken over in many cases. Bexar is one of the exceptions,
like Refugio and Mexia. (In other words, the only sure rule in this instance
is that there _isn't_ any sure rule.)
--PLH, and never mind Anahuac ;-)
Patrick L. Humphrey
>In article <szkhg0d...@dillinger.io.com>, pat...@io.com (Patrick L.
>Humphrey) wrote:
>> There's one of my pet peeves -- even at KTRH these days, there are enough
>> newcomers to the area who think that "San Felipe" here is obviously Spanish
>> that that pronunciation is starting to crop up all too frequently for the
>> liking of some of us old-timers.
>So, what's the right way to pronounce it? If I were from out of town,
>I'd guess on "San f'LEEP-ay" (and it sounds like I'd be wrong).
You're not from around here, are you? ;-)
At least in this corner of Texas, both the street *and* the town (some 40
miles west of downtown, just east of Sealy in Austin County) share the same
pronunciation: "san FILL-a-pee". In other parts of the southwestern U.S.,
though, your mileage probably will vary.
--PLH, thankful the Texians didn't borrow Worcester :o
S.D. Rhodes
>
> The pronunciations were changed during the very early 20th century when
> German things became unpopular in the days leading up to the USA involvement
> in World War I.
Similarly, New Bern NC is pronounced "NOO burn", not "noo BURN". Not
sure if it's related to the unpopularity of things German in WWI, but it
could be. (Yes, I know Bern is in Switzerland, but in times of
nationalistic fervor people often quit thinking about minor details such
as these...heck, in times of nationalistic fervor people often quit
thinking, period.)
S.D. Rhodes
That's just a consequence of the local accent which does funny things
with the letter 'r'. Everyone I know from that city who doesn't have
the local accent pronounces it "NOR-fook" (second syllable rhymes with
'book').
> various places down south where -ville is pronoucned as -vuhl as in Dan-vuhl,
> VA
Again, just a consequence of the local accent. This is hardly a
difference on the same level as changing "KYE-roh" to "KAY-roh" or
"LEE-muh" to "LYE-muh"
On a related note, I've always been slightly interested in the differing
ways people pronounce "-boro" (or "-borough"). I've heard everything
from "BUH-roh" to "BURR-roh" to "buh-ROH" to "BURR-uh" to "broh" and who
knows what else. FWIW, I tend to use either "buh-ROH" or "broh".
nwp...@my-dejanews.com
mmcm...@frontiernet.net wrote:
>
>
> nwp...@student.berklee.edu wrote:
>
> > I've only heard Le-ROY, except from a prank phone caller who said he lived
> > between Victor and LEE-Roy, ostensibly imagined buddies of his, as he was
> > affecting a hillbilly accent. They are actually towns in New York; if you
> > lived between them you might be in LYE-ma.
>
> Reminds me of the time, not long after I moved to Rochester, when I was
> momentarily confused about the quickest route back to work from a restaurant
> where a friend and I had just had lunch. Thinking aloud, I mentioned that it
> would be quickest "if I just take Howard to Buffalo". (Howard Road intersects
> Buffalo Road -- NY 33 -- in the town of Gates.) My friend responded, "Well, I
> hope you two have a good time." ;-)
Right in the same neighborhood, you do realize what's located directly at the
end of Wegman Road, right? A Tops.
n.b. Tops, based in Buffalo, and Wegmans, based in Rochester (actually Gates)
are competing supermarket chains in both cities.
NP
David J. Greenberger
> Right in the same neighborhood, you do realize what's located directly at the
> end of Wegman Road, right? A Tops.
I NEED a picture. I assume there's a prominent "Wegman Road" sign
right by the entrance to Tops?
I miss real supermarkets. In Ithaca, the Tops and the Wegmans were
next door, making shopping quite easy. The A&P and the three P&Cs
never seemed quite as crowded.
adm...@my-dejanews.com
nwp...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <35B3E938...@frontiernet.net>,
> mmcm...@frontiernet.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > nwp...@student.berklee.edu wrote:
> >
> > > I've only heard Le-ROY, except from a prank phone caller who said he lived
> > > between Victor and LEE-Roy, ostensibly imagined buddies of his, as he was
> > > affecting a hillbilly accent. They are actually towns in New York; if you
> > > lived between them you might be in LYE-ma.
> >
> > Reminds me of the time, not long after I moved to Rochester, when I was
> > momentarily confused about the quickest route back to work from a restaurant
> > where a friend and I had just had lunch. Thinking aloud, I mentioned that it
> > would be quickest "if I just take Howard to Buffalo". (Howard Road
intersects
> > Buffalo Road -- NY 33 -- in the town of Gates.) My friend responded, "Well,
I
> > hope you two have a good time." ;-)
>
> end of Wegman Road, right? A Tops.
>
> are competing supermarket chains in both cities.
>
> NP
How 'bout a Super 8 Motel on Sheraton Dr in Greensburg, PA. Right across the
street from the Sheraton Four Seasons. I always loved that.
Adam Newman
>
> nwp...@my-dejanews.com writes:
>
> > Right in the same neighborhood, you do realize what's located directly at the
> > end of Wegman Road, right? A Tops.
>
> right by the entrance to Tops?
>
> I miss real supermarkets. In Ithaca, the Tops and the Wegmans were
> next door, making shopping quite easy. The A&P and the three P&Cs
> never seemed quite as crowded.
Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
Dominick's. Anything else is just weird. Do either of these two stores
have any locations outside of Chicagoland?
To get this post back to roads, Dominick's has a big warehouse in
Northlake right next to some expressway (I'm pretty sure it's the
Tri-State). Also, there's a huge Woodman's grocery store in Kenosha, WI
right off I-94 at the Hwy 50 exit. I drive up there a lot to get Surge
(which isn't sold in Chicago)
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>Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
>places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
>example:
Well, there's a spot in Maine that has a LOT of foreign town names
(Belgrade, Oslo and numerous others) and and even one signpost with a
dozen or so listed on them with the distances (like the old sign on
M*A*S*H).
However, fore wierd towns we can't forget Massachusetts.
Worcester, Leicester and Gloucester.
Pronounced WUH-stuh, LES-tuh and GLOSS-tuh.
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> mwal...@wam.umd.edu (Matthew A. Walcoff) wrote:
>
> >Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
> >places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
> >example:
One must remember that when the pioneers named places on their way west, you
had varying backgrounds and educational levels. Therefore, when a person
with little schooling tries to read and pronounce a name from a foriegn
language, the results are predicatbly unpredictable.
David J. Greenberger
> Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
> Dominick's. Anything else is just weird. Do either of these two stores
> have any locations outside of Chicagoland?
Until April, Champaign-Urbana had two Jewel-Ocsos. Both Jewels left,
leaving the Oscos behind. (There is a third Osco that had also had a
Jewel a few years ago.)
Jewel is overpriced and has a marginal selection. I'll reserve
judgement on Dominick's, having only been in one once.
Tops and Wegmans, OTOH, are inexpensive and have excellent
selections. A few years ago I asked the specialty foods manager at
Tops to carry a few products, and within a few weeks they were on the
shelves. I doubt that sort of responsiveness is terribly common.
Unfortunately, my request that they open up a store in central
Illinois was not met with the same degree of responsiveness.
ObRoad: There is a Jewel Avenue in Queens, NY, but I doubt there's
ever been a Jewel on it.
Jason Hancock
>
> Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
> Dominick's. Anything else is just weird. Do either of these two stores
> have any locations outside of Chicagoland?
Jewel has a few stores here in the Quad Cities area, including one on
West Locust near the fairgrounds in Davenport (it's one of only two in
Iowa, according to <http://www.switchboard.com> -- the other is in
Clinton).
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David Steinberg
> Adam Newman wrote:
> >
> > Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
> > Dominick's. Anything else is just weird. Do either of these two stores
> > have any locations outside of Chicagoland?
>
> Jewel has a few stores here in the Quad Cities area, including one on
> West Locust near the fairgrounds in Davenport (it's one of only two in
> Iowa, according to <http://www.switchboard.com> -- the other is in
> Clinton).
Jewel-Osco was the jewel of New Mexico according to their ads.
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Will Flor
>> 'BER-lin' and 'New BER-lin', *not* 'Ber-LIN' and 'New Ber-LIN'.
>>
>> The pronunciations were changed during the very early 20th century when
>> German things became unpopular in the days leading up to the USA involvement
>> in World War I.
Interesting. Since New Berlin, Wisconsin (my home town) is named after New
Berlin, New York and only indirectly after Berlin, Germany, does anyone here
know how New Berlin, New York is pronounced by locals?
k_f...@my-dejanews.com
mwal...@wam.umd.edu (Matthew A. Walcoff) wrote:
> Why is it that the Midwest has all kind of cities and towns named after
> places elsewhere in the world but always pronounces them funny? For
> example:
>
> East Palestine (PAL-a-steen), Ohio
> Cairo (KAY-ro), Illinois
> Peru (PEE-ru), Indiana
> New Madrid (MA-drid), Missouri
>
>
My personal favorites:
Pueblo, Colo: "pee-EBB-low"
Buena Vista, Colo: "bee-YOU-na vis-ta"
And this is how I actually heard the name of this Kentucky city pronounced by
natives when I was there:
Louisville, Ky: "llll" (no vowels at all, just a drawn out "L" sound mimicking
the entire word).
CrazyOne
markrob...@tezcat.com (Mark Roberts) wrote:
> Jewel is owned by the same outfit that owns Osco -- American Stores
> Company. It owns several other chains as well. I don't remember the
> names of any of them offhand, sorry.
American Stores just put up a very cool new building in Salt Lake. It's
on Main at 300 S. The horizontal cross-section is shaped like an "A" to
some extent, or in fact pretty nearly triangular.
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Colin <"gremilli(SPAM-ME-BITCH)"@guomai.sh.cn> wrote:
> jbej...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In Houston there's also Kuykendahl Road, which everyone calls
> "KUR-ken-dahl", but does any german speaker know the correct way to say
> this? There are plenty of other German roads in Texas that only german
> speakers can pronounce and texans simply try at.
I have enough trouble with the Dutch names in NYS. Kuykendahl seems
suspiciously Dutch itself. I would guess KIKE-en-dael (a cross between -dall
and -dale). Like the German a-umlaut or Dutch aa. My favorite Dutch letter is
ij (pronounced ey).
Q: What's a typical Dutch breakfast?
A: Eggs Overijssel.
NP
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djlong@magic_mv.com (David J. P. Long - Change '_' in email to '.') wrote:
> However, fore wierd towns we can't forget Massachusetts.
>
> Worcester, Leicester and Gloucester.
>
> Pronounced WUH-stuh, LES-tuh and GLOSS-tuh.
These pronunciations are quite logical, really. Think of the syllabification:
Worce-ster. Leice-ster. Glouce-ster. Spoken rapidly, the adjacent s-sounds
merge, and the r in Worcester is dropped. It's just that many Americans want
to insert an h after the c; maybe they think these are Italian names?
pki...@my-dejanews.com
"David J. Greenberger" <gren...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> I miss real supermarkets. In Ithaca, the Tops and the Wegmans were
> next door, making shopping quite easy. The A&P and the three P&Cs
> never seemed quite as crowded.
A&P. *That's* a chain going downhill. They're still big in Ontario, but how
many are left in the USA?
J.P. Kirby
pki...@my-dejanews.com
Adam Newman <c...@ripco.com> wrote:
> Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
> Dominick's. Anything else is just weird.
You mean the same way I think about Sobey's and SuperValu here in Fredericton?
:-)
Stephen A. Hill
>And this is how I actually heard the name of this Kentucky city pronounced by
>natives when I was there:
>
>Louisville, Ky: "llll" (no vowels at all, just a drawn out "L" sound mimicking
>the entire word).
I usually hear it pronounced "LOO-vul."
But the town east of Canton, Ohio, spelled "Louisville" is called
"LOO-ess-vill."
Will Flor
>Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
>have any locations outside of Chicagoland?
There are plenty of Jewel stores here in the Milwaukee area, which is not
quite yet part of Chicagoland.
Will Flor
>k_f...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>>And this is how I actually heard the name of this Kentucky city pronounced by
>>natives when I was there:
>>
>>Louisville, Ky: "llll" (no vowels at all, just a drawn out "L" sound mimicking
>>the entire word).
>
>I usually hear it pronounced "LOO-vul."
If you listen very carefully, there's an almost-nonexistent middle syllable
when this name is spoken by many residents - it's kind of "LOO-uh-vul" but the
middle syllable barely exists, and almost is run into the first one. I can't
remember ever hearing any locals actually eliminate the middle syllable
altogether, but it's not a surprise that some do.
Ray Mullins
Stephen A. Hill <hi...@DELETETHIS.rhpc.com> wrote:
>k_f...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>>And this is how I actually heard the name of this Kentucky city pronounced by
>>natives when I was there:
>>
>>Louisville, Ky: "llll" (no vowels at all, just a drawn out "L" sound mimicking
>>the entire word).
>
>I usually hear it pronounced "LOO-vul."
>
>"LOO-ess-vill."
As is the burg between Denver and Boulder, CO...
Byoo-nuh Vista? Gimmie a break. In a state that has a Spanish name, why
TF can't they get that name right? And I've always heard Pueblo pronounced
as it is in Spanish when I lived there.
The one that gets me is that Westminster, CO, gets an extra syllable
("Westminister"). The California version doesn't
Later,
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In article <35B7B7...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>, Jason Hancock
<jha...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:
>Adam Newman wrote:
>>
>> Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
>> Dominick's. Anything else is just weird. Do either of these two stores
>> have any locations outside of Chicagoland?
>
>Jewel has a few stores here in the Quad Cities area, including one on
>West Locust near the fairgrounds in Davenport (it's one of only two in
>Iowa, according to <http://www.switchboard.com> -- the other is in
>Clinton).
Howabout all of the 'Pigs' (Piggly Wiggly) here in eastern Wisconsin, The
company has been a major force in the supermarket scene around here for as
long as I can remember.
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David Steinberg <zz...@seanet.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Jason Hancock wrote:
>
> > Adam Newman wrote:
> > >
> > > Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
> > > Dominick's. Anything else is just weird. Do either of these two stores
> > > have any locations outside of Chicagoland?
> >
> > Jewel has a few stores here in the Quad Cities area, including one on
> > West Locust near the fairgrounds in Davenport (it's one of only two in
> > Iowa, according to <http://www.switchboard.com> -- the other is in
> > Clinton).
>
>
> Jewel-Osco was the jewel of New Mexico according to their ads.
You all are aware, right, that Jewel and Osco were absorbed into the
American Stores empire a few years back?
That means you're now shopping in the corporate cousin of Ak-a-me (as the
chain's name is pronounced locally. American Stores was originally
headquartered in Wilmington, Del.; Philadelphia- (now Malvern-)based Acme
was its main operating division; the Skaggses of Salt Lake City bought
American Stores ~15 years ago and moved the headquarters there).
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> A&P. *That's* a chain going downhill. They're still big in Ontario, but how
> many are left in the USA?
As far as I know they're all on the East Coast. The NYC area is full
of A&Ps, Food Emporiums (Emporia?), and Waldbaum's, all owned by A&P,
but the latter two aren't found at all outside the NYC region. The
one redeeming trait of A&P is the Master Choice line of products.
William S. Riddle, IV
Teeter, Publix, and Bruno's. Nashville's got at least one Bruno's and
Harris Teeter, but Publix has yet to enter Tennessee. Someday, my
friends... someday....
(A few years back, I believe it was Consumer Reports who ranked Publix
as the #1 best chain grocery store in the country, with Krogers as #2.)
Jason Hancock wrote:
>
> Adam Newman wrote:
> >
> > Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
> > Dominick's. Anything else is just weird. Do either of these two stores
> > have any locations outside of Chicagoland?
>
> Jewel has a few stores here in the Quad Cities area, including one on
> West Locust near the fairgrounds in Davenport (it's one of only two in
> Iowa, according to <http://www.switchboard.com> -- the other is in
> Clinton).
>
> --Jason
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m...@lerami.lerctr.org (Ray Mullins) wrote:
> In article <35b89821...@news.multiverse.com>,
> Stephen A. Hill <hi...@DELETETHIS.rhpc.com> wrote:
> >k_f...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> >>And this is how I actually heard the name of this Kentucky city pronounced
by
> >>natives when I was there:
> >>
> >>Louisville, Ky: "llll" (no vowels at all, just a drawn out "L" sound
mimicking
> >>the entire word).
> >
> >I usually hear it pronounced "LOO-vul."
> >
> >But the town east of Canton, Ohio, spelled "Louisville" is called
> >"LOO-ess-vill."
>
> As is the burg between Denver and Boulder, CO...
>
> Byoo-nuh Vista? Gimmie a break. In a state that has a Spanish name, why
> TF can't they get that name right? And I've always heard Pueblo pronounced
> as it is in Spanish when I lived there.
>
> The one that gets me is that Westminster, CO, gets an extra syllable
> ("Westminister"). The California version doesn't
>
> Later,
> Ray
The old-timers down there definitely call it pee-EBB-low. I can't explain it
except they're mostly the Anglos who say it that way.
Ray Mullins
William S. Riddle, IV <ridd...@mindspring.kom> wrote:
>The really REAL supermarkets are in the South, specifically Harris
>Teeter, Publix, and Bruno's. Nashville's got at least one Bruno's and
>Harris Teeter, but Publix has yet to enter Tennessee. Someday, my
>friends... someday....
>
>(A few years back, I believe it was Consumer Reports who ranked Publix
>as the #1 best chain grocery store in the country, with Krogers as #2.)
#1, tied with Raleys in Northern California. Please. We're very proud
of that up here. :-)
LAter,
Ron Newman
<gren...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> pki...@my-dejanews.com writes:
>
> > A&P. *That's* a chain going downhill. They're still big in Ontario, but how
> > many are left in the USA?
>
> As far as I know they're all on the East Coast. The NYC area is full
> of A&Ps, Food Emporiums (Emporia?), and Waldbaum's, all owned by A&P,
> but the latter two aren't found at all outside the NYC region. The
> one redeeming trait of A&P is the Master Choice line of products.
The one remaining A&P disappeared from Boston's South End years ago
(it's now a locally owned Wollaston Market). I think a few
A&P's may remain on Cape Cod or Martha's Vineyard.
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ridd...@mindspring.kom wrote:
> The really REAL supermarkets are in the South, specifically Harris
> Teeter, Publix, and Bruno's. Nashville's got at least one Bruno's and
> Harris Teeter, but Publix has yet to enter Tennessee. Someday, my
> friends... someday....
>
> (A few years back, I believe it was Consumer Reports who ranked Publix
> as the #1 best chain grocery store in the country, with Krogers as #2.)
>
You *had* to bring up Publix? My brother (in Grade 8) worships that chain from
our trip to Florida in 1996. I've heard quite enough about them. :-)
(BTW, it was the only chain I saw in Orlando. Do they have a monopoly there?")
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Jim Ellwanger
>You *had* to bring up Publix? My brother (in Grade 8) worships that chain from
>our trip to Florida in 1996. I've heard quite enough about them. :-)
>
>(BTW, it was the only chain I saw in Orlando. Do they have a monopoly there?")
Just about. Their headquarters are in Lakeland, between Tampa and
Orlando, so they're pretty big in that part of Florida, to put it mildly.
I'm actually not too familiar with Orlando, but from my many years in
Tampa, I can tell you that also commonly found in the Tampa Bay area are
Kash 'n' Karry (headquartered in Tampa, nowhere near as big as Publix),
Winn-Dixie, Albertsons, and Food Lion.
In my younger days, A&P was represented, but called their supermarkets The
Family Mart; they sold the chain to Kroger, who renamed them Florida
Choice; not too much longer after that, they sold out to Kash 'n' Karry.
American Stores was also represented a few years back; they opened a
couple of Jewel-Osco stores, but ended up selling out to (I think) Food
Lion pretty quickly.
For years, there was at least one Piggly Wiggly in the area (on FL 60 in
Clearwater), but I think it's gone.
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>In article <35b8050e...@news.mv.com>,
> djlong@magic_mv.com (David J. P. Long - Change '_' in email to '.') wrote:
>
>> However, fore wierd towns we can't forget Massachusetts.
>>
>> Worcester, Leicester and Gloucester.
>>
>> Pronounced WUH-stuh, LES-tuh and GLOSS-tuh.
>
>These pronunciations are quite logical, really. Think of the syllabification:
>Worce-ster. Leice-ster. Glouce-ster. Spoken rapidly, the adjacent s-sounds
>merge, and the r in Worcester is dropped. It's just that many Americans want
>to insert an h after the c; maybe they think these are Italian names?
Maybe logical to anyone who spends time around here or thinks about
it, but ever try telling it to a tourist?
T: "Where's the maritime festival?"
Me: "In [GLOSS-tuh]"
T: "Oh.. How do I get there?" (as he gets his map out)
Me: Find your way to 128 and head north to the end - you can't miss
it.
T: "I can't find it on the map. Is it anywhere near Glauw-chester?"
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> couple of Jewel-Osco stores, but ended up selling out to (I think) Food
> Lion pretty quickly.
Are there Food City's outside of Johnson City,TN? I've never seen one.
And Food Lion seems to restrict itself to the southeast.
>
> For years, there was at least one Piggly Wiggly in the area (on FL 60 in
> Clearwater), but I think it's gone.
Did Piggy Wiggy go out of business or something? there used to be one in
Georgetown,tX when I lived there, but now it's a bowling center.
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"Michael G. Koerner" <mgki...@diatiaiexii.com> wrote:
>
> ----------
> In article <35B7B7...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>, Jason Hancock
>
> >Adam Newman wrote:
> >>
> >> Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
> >> Dominick's. Anything else is just weird. Do either of these two stores
> >> have any locations outside of Chicagoland?
> >
> >Jewel has a few stores here in the Quad Cities area, including one on
> >West Locust near the fairgrounds in Davenport (it's one of only two in
> >Iowa, according to <http://www.switchboard.com> -- the other is in
> >Clinton).
>
> company has been a major force in the supermarket scene around here for as
> long as I can remember.
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
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>
> Michael G. Koerner
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In article <6p7jgv$m75$1...@news.inc.net>, wi...@will-flor.spamblock.com (Will
Flor) wrote:
>>somebody wrote, in reference to cities in Wisconsin:
>>> 'BER-lin' and 'New BER-lin', *not* 'Ber-LIN' and 'New Ber-LIN'.
>>>
>>> The pronunciations were changed during the very early 20th century when
>>> German things became unpopular in the days leading up to the USA involvement
>>> in World War I.
>
>Interesting. Since New Berlin, Wisconsin (my home town) is named after New
>Berlin, New York and only indirectly after Berlin, Germany, does anyone here
>know how New Berlin, New York is pronounced by locals?
*Actually*, 'New Berlin, WI' is named after the former Waukesha County 'Town
of Berlin', which incorporated as a city in 1959. Since the name 'Berlin'
was already taken, they had to chose a different one and 'vallah', 'NEW
Berlin'.
Mike Ballard
In article <6pgipg$n5n$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, suds...@my-dejanews.com says...
>
>In article <6pac92$85t$1...@news.athenet.net>,
> "Michael G. Koerner" <mgki...@diatiaiexii.com> wrote:
>>
>> ----------
>> In article <35B7B7...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>, Jason Hancock
>> <jha...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >Adam Newman wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
>> >> Dominick's. Anything else is just weird. Do either of these two stores
>> >> have any locations outside of Chicagoland?
>> >
>> >Jewel has a few stores here in the Quad Cities area, including one on
>> >West Locust near the fairgrounds in Davenport (it's one of only two in
>> >Iowa, according to <http://www.switchboard.com> -- the other is in
>> >Clinton).
>>
>> Howabout all of the 'Pigs' (Piggly Wiggly) here in eastern Wisconsin, The
>> company has been a major force in the supermarket scene around here for as
>> long as I can remember.
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________________
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael G. Koerner
>> Appleton, WI
>>
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>Jewel has opened several stores in the Milwaukee area in the past year
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Flor) writes:
>> Cairo, Ill. (Cay-ro, rather than Cairo)
>
>Nope, as posted here in the very recent past, this is NOT the correct
>pronunciation of Cairo, IL, as defined by the locals. The correct
>pronunciation is *exactly* as it's spelled (unlike the city in Egypt;) the
>first vowel is as in the word "air", not as in the word "say". Furthermore,
>the accent is NOT on the first syllable; both syllables have equal emphasis.
>As one who lived near the dismal burb of Cairo for several years, this is
>*always* the way locals pronounce it.
It's been 20 years since I lived in the area, but IIRC, KAY-ro _is_ the way
locals in Cairo, NY say it. Cairo, NY is in the northern Carskills along NY
23.
Regards,
Frank
FranCurcio
Rhodes) writes:
>On a related note, I've always been slightly interested in the differing
>ways people pronounce "-boro" (or "-borough"). I've heard everything
>from "BUH-roh" to "BURR-roh" to "buh-ROH" to "BURR-uh" to "broh" and who
>knows what else. FWIW, I tend to use either "buh-ROH" or "broh".
There's an area in Central Jersey where it's pronounced "BORE-oh"
Typically, tho', it's BURR-oh
Old newspaper adage:
"A burro is an ass and a burrow is a hole in the ground and a wise journalist
knows the difference between them!"
Regards,
Frank
Bob Goudreau
: In article <35b8050e...@news.mv.com>,
: djlong@magic_mv.com (David J. P. Long - Change '_' in email to '.') wrote:
: > However, fore wierd towns we can't forget Massachusetts.
: >
: > Worcester, Leicester and Gloucester.
: >
: > Pronounced WUH-stuh, LES-tuh and GLOSS-tuh.
: These pronunciations are quite logical, really. Think of the
: syllabification: Worce-ster. Leice-ster. Glouce-ster. Spoken
: rapidly, the adjacent s-sounds merge, and the r in Worcester
: is dropped.
It's not even obvious to me that it was Americans who did all the
merging and dropping of sounds in those names. After all, they
are taken directly from the original place names in England.
Can any Britons out there comment on how faitful the New England
pronunciations are compared to the English originals?
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>
> There were (still are I think) Piggly Wigglys in south Georgia.
They're in north Georgia, too. There are 11 Piggly Wigglys
listed in the Atlanta phone book.
William S. Riddle, IV
>
> > American Stores was also represented a few years back; they opened a
> > couple of Jewel-Osco stores, but ended up selling out to (I think) Food
> > Lion pretty quickly.
>
> Are there Food City's outside of Johnson City,TN? I've never seen one.
> And Food Lion seems to restrict itself to the southeast.
I've seen many Food City's throughout East Tennessee, as far west as
Harriman. I've also seen one in Pikeville, KY and I think I've seen
them in Southwestern Virginia.
>
> >
> > For years, there was at least one Piggly Wiggly in the area (on FL 60 in
> > Clearwater), but I think it's gone.
>
> Did Piggy Wiggy go out of business or something? there used to be one in
> Georgetown,tX when I lived there, but now it's a bowling center.
Piggly Wiggly's are still thriving in the Nashville area, but the ones
in Memphis are changing to SuperValu.
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djlong@magic_mv.com (David J. P. Long - Change '_' in email to '.') wrote:
> nwp...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >In article <35b8050e...@news.mv.com>,
> > djlong@magic_mv.com (David J. P. Long - Change '_' in email to '.') wrote:
> >
> >> However, fore wierd towns we can't forget Massachusetts.
> >>
> >> Worcester, Leicester and Gloucester.
> >>
> >> Pronounced WUH-stuh, LES-tuh and GLOSS-tuh.
> >
> >These pronunciations are quite logical, really. Think of the syllabification:
> >Worce-ster. Leice-ster. Glouce-ster. Spoken rapidly, the adjacent s-sounds
> >to insert an h after the c; maybe they think these are Italian names?
>
> Maybe logical to anyone who spends time around here or thinks about
> it, but ever try telling it to a tourist?
>
> T: "Where's the maritime festival?"
>
> Me: "In [GLOSS-tuh]"
>
> T: "Oh.. How do I get there?" (as he gets his map out)
>
> Me: Find your way to 128 and head north to the end - you can't miss
> it.
>
> T: "I can't find it on the map. Is it anywhere near Glauw-chester?"
Well, I refuse to be held responsible for somebody unaccountably inserting
invisible letters into words. They do it, they can deal with it.
NP
Marc Fannin
nwp...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <35b8050e...@news.mv.com>,
> djlong@magic_mv.com (David J. P. Long - Change '_' in email to '.') wrote:
>
> > However, fore wierd towns we can't forget Massachusetts.
> >
> > Worcester, Leicester and Gloucester.
> >
> > Pronounced WUH-stuh, LES-tuh and GLOSS-tuh.
>
> These pronunciations are quite logical, really. Think of the syllabification:
> Worce-ster. Leice-ster. Glouce-ster. Spoken rapidly, the adjacent s-sounds
> merge, and the r in Worcester is dropped. It's just that many Americans want
> to insert an h after the c; maybe they think these are Italian names?
I don't know about the history of Wooster, Ohio, but my theory is that it was
named after Worcester, MA, and the spelling was "corrected".
> NP
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Chris & Linda Bessert
>
> In article <vkxr9zc...@sparc8.cs.uiuc.edu>,> > I miss real supermarkets. In Ithaca, the Tops and the Wegmans were
> > next door, making shopping quite easy. The A&P and the three P&Cs
> > never seemed quite as crowded.
>
> A&P. *That's* a chain going downhill. They're still big in Ontario, but how
> many are left in the USA?
Actually, the "A&P" name might be declining, but, accorinding to something I
have here in front of me, "The Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company oper-
ates 936 stores in 20 states, the District of Columbia and Ontario. Stores
operate under "A&P Supermarkets," "Sav-A-Center," "Super Fresh," "Kohl's Food
Stores," "Dominion Stores," "Food Emporium," "Waldbaum's," "Farmer Jack" and
"Miracle Food Mart" banners. Also serves 52 "Food Basics" franchise stores.
Canadian sales: 18% of total."
I have a distaste for the "Farmer Jack's" stores (referred to by more unpleas-
ant names by those who dislike them) here in Michigan. I just can't believe
how high their prices are. Even if they're reeled you in with one of their
"cards," you can still expect to spend much more than if you just patronized
the much larger, more convenient Meijer store across the street!
Chris
Chris & Linda Bessert
> Adam Newman <c...@ripco.com> writes:
> > Real supermarkets? The only real supermarkets are Jewel and
> > Dominick's. Anything else is just weird. Do either of these two stores
> > have any locations outside of Chicagoland?
>
> leaving the Oscos behind. (There is a third Osco that had also had a
> Jewel a few years ago.)
I wonder what's wrong with Jewel, or is it that American Stores is
trying to focus them in other areas? Here in Kalamazoo, they shut down
a good half-dozen or so "Jewel-Osco" stores within the past year or
two. Actually, the locally-based Harding's, operators of the smaller
sized "Harding's Friendly Markets" bought them and turned them into
"Harding's Marketplace" stores. I believe the stores in the Jackson
(Mich) and Battle Creek area were sold as well.
Chris
Mike McManus
> I don't know about the history of Wooster, Ohio, but my theory is that it was
> named after Worcester, MA, and the spelling was "corrected".
Ah yes, "Wooster, where the cows go moo." (Both "oo's" pronounced as in "book". ;-)
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Chris & Linda Bessert wrote in message <35BFCF0D...@pilot.msu.edu>...
>Actually, the "A&P" name might be declining, but, accorinding to something
I
>have here in front of me, "The Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company oper-
>ates 936 stores in 20 states, the District of Columbia and Ontario. Stores
>operate under "A&P Supermarkets," "Sav-A-Center," "Super Fresh," "Kohl's
Food
>Stores," "Dominion Stores," "Food Emporium," "Waldbaum's," "Farmer Jack"
and
>"Miracle Food Mart" banners. Also serves 52 "Food Basics" franchise stores.
>Canadian sales: 18% of total."
Add "Super Foodmart" to that list. The ones in the Danbury, CT area have
changed over to that (from two Waldbaums and an A&P).
I have to say that the southwestern Connecticut area has some of the _worst_
supermarkets. Super Foodmart is the best of the bunch. Some of the others
include Grand Union (pathetic and understaffed), Stop and Shop (not bad
compared to the rest), Big Y (haven't shopped there). Big Y only came in
when Stop & Shop merged with Edwards / Finast and had to sell off some
duplicated areas. Shaw's also came closer with that combination. But even
Super Foodmart pales beside the mighty upstate New York supermarkets.
Hannaford / Shop & Save & Price Chopper are significantly better IMO,
and yes, I've been to Wegmans. I'm considering asking for a transfer to
Syracuse partially because of them. ;-)
David J. Greenberger
> I have to say that the southwestern Connecticut area has some of the _worst_
> supermarkets. Super Foodmart is the best of the bunch. Some of the others
> include Grand Union (pathetic and understaffed), Stop and Shop (not bad
> compared to the rest), Big Y (haven't shopped there). Big Y only came in
> when Stop & Shop merged with Edwards / Finast and had to sell off some
> duplicated areas. Shaw's also came closer with that combination. But even
> Super Foodmart pales beside the mighty upstate New York supermarkets.
> Hannaford / Shop & Save & Price Chopper are significantly better IMO,
> and yes, I've been to Wegmans. I'm considering asking for a transfer to
> Syracuse partially because of them. ;-)
You may be interested in knowing that the same (Dutch-based?) company
owns Edwards/Finast/Stop&Shop, Price Chopper, and the legendary Tops.
Personally, I would rank Tops above Wegmans, but I'd be glad to have
either out here. If you go to Syracuse, you'll probably see lots of
P&Cs, which (IME) aren't so hot.
Neil Kelly
>You may be interested in knowing that the same (Dutch-based?) company
>owns Edwards/Finast/Stop&Shop, Price Chopper, and the legendary Tops.
>Personally, I would rank Tops above Wegmans, but I'd be glad to have
>either out here. If you go to Syracuse, you'll probably see lots of
>P&Cs, which (IME) aren't so hot.
Never got to see a Tops (yet) so I won't comment, but <*damn*> better than
Wegmans?
That Dutch company is Royal Ahold NV. Borrowing text from Tops web site (2
separate locations)...
---begin quote---
Tops Friendly Markets joined the Ahold USA family in 1991, a family that now
includes BI-LO, Finast Friendly Markets, Giant Food Stores, and Stop & Shop
in the United States. Ahold USA ranks among the top US supermarket
organizations, operating 800 stores with sales of US$14 billion.
Today as a member of the Ahold family, Tops Markets, Inc. now operates 74
Tops Friendly Markets in Western & Central New York and Northern
Pennsylvania, 45 Finast stores in Northeast Ohio 108 Wilson Farms
Neighborhood Food Stores in Western & Central New York, 9 B-Kwiks in Western
New York, and 11 Vix Deep Discount stores in Western New York.
---end quote---
Price Chopper is owned by Golub.
Wegmans appears to be independent, from what I can see from their website.
Hannaford runs Shop 'n Save, Hannaford Food and Drug Superstore and Wilsons
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David J. Greenberger
> Never got to see a Tops (yet) so I won't comment, but <*damn*> better than
> Wegmans?
YMMV -- at least on a local level, I always preferred the Ithaca Tops
to the Ithaca Wegmans. Of course, now that the Wegmans has grown into
a super-Wegmans, things may have changed -- I've only been in the enw
one a few times.
> Price Chopper is owned by Golub.
Hmmm...I somehow formed the impression that Price Chopper and Tops
were cousins. Guess I was mistaken.
> Wegmans appears to be independent, from what I can see from their website.
Yup. Danny Wegman himself signs each and every product under the
Wegmans name.
> Hannaford runs Shop 'n Save, Hannaford Food and Drug Superstore and Wilsons
I'm not familiar with any of the three.