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David J. Greenberger

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Mar 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/21/00
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musx...@kent.edu (Marc Fannin) writes:

> Took pictures of traffic lights in downtown Ravenna. They look like
> they're from the '40's but were installed only a few years ago. Took
> Ravenna's street signs.
...
> Took "{62}/{JCT}/{46}" assembly.

Do you generally go around taking street signs and route assemblies?
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Ron Newman

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Mar 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/21/00
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In article <8b95g1$a85$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, musx...@kent.edu (Marc Fannin) wrote:

> My route to Kent State (where I met up with Sandor): Local roads/routes
> to I-90 Exit 193 (Ohio 306), then I-90 WB to I-271 SB to I-480/Ohio 14
> EB to Ohio 14 EB to Ohio 43 SB (a route I could probably do in my
> sleep). The bridge to nowhere in Twinsburg over 480/14 still has
> "RELIVE AMERICA VOTE PEROT" on it, two Presidential campaigns later. ;)

"RELIVE" or "RELIEVE" ??

> Route out of Kent: Ohio 59 EB to Ravenna


>
> Took pictures of traffic lights in downtown Ravenna. They look like
> they're from the '40's but were installed only a few years ago.

Please post these pictures on a web site somewhere. Thanks.

> Took pictures of the recently rebuilt I-76 heading into town, for the
> benfit of those who remember the old freeway. Various photos in
> and near downtown Akron, mostly of traffic lights. Flashing light at
> Hawkins and Delia must have been replaced, because it atteared to be a
> standard red-flashing assembly.

I remember that light from when I used to live in Akron, 1965-68.
Two large red lights, stacked vertically, alternately flashing in each
direction. Never saw another one like that *anywhere*.

> We covered the Inner Belt (MLK Freeway)
> pretty well.

What's the status of the proposal to remove this freeway?

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Marc Fannin

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Mar 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/22/00
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Well, today was the day of Road Trip III, Sandor Gulyas' and my
photo-taking journey to points in the southern tier of Northeast Ohio.

My route to Kent State (where I met up with Sandor): Local roads/routes
to I-90 Exit 193 (Ohio 306), then I-90 WB to I-271 SB to I-480/Ohio 14
EB to Ohio 14 EB to Ohio 43 SB (a route I could probably do in my
sleep). The bridge to nowhere in Twinsburg over 480/14 still has
"RELIVE AMERICA VOTE PEROT" on it, two Presidential campaigns later. ;)

Route out of Kent: Ohio 59 EB to Ravenna

Took pictures of traffic lights in downtown Ravenna. They look like

they're from the '40's but were installed only a few years ago. Took
Ravenna's street signs.

Old 44 SB to I-76 WB to Akron

Took pictures of the recently rebuilt I-76 heading into town, for the
benfit of those who remember the old freeway. Various photos in
and near downtown Akron, mostly of traffic lights. Flashing light at
Hawkins and Delia must have been replaced, because it atteared to be a

standard red-flashing assembly. We covered the Inner Belt (MLK Freeway)
pretty well. We actually got over to Norton before going back into
Akron.

I-77 SB to Canton

There was construction to add a third lane between Arlington Road and
Ohio 241. Various pictures taken in Canton. Signage on Ohio 43 NB at
Ohio 153 was standard, but there was some older signage going onto 153
EB.

US 30/Ohio 172 EB to East Canton

Found an old Lincoln Highway marker. Pictures galore!

US 62 EB to US 62 F EB, Alliance

Right-of-way for US 62 east of Ohio 225 is non-existant even though 225
has an overpass there.

Local roads to north of Salem

No sign of expansion at either end of the north bypass.

Ohio 45 NB to US 224 EB to Canfield

Took "{62}/{JCT}/{46}" assembly.

Ohio 11 NB to I-80, then various routes in and around Youngstown

Pretty much anything anybody wanted a picture of we got.

I-80 WB to I-76 WB to Kent

Missed greater Warren, but ended up taking almost everything we wanted
anyway (Alt. I-80 signs, etc.). We didn't get US 45, but we got US 165
and US 289 instead.

Route home: Future (I'm still in Kent at the KSU Main Library, which is
about to close; otherwise I would have elaborated more.)


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guly...@osu.edu

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Mar 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/22/00
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In article <8b95g1$a85$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
musx...@kent.edu (Marc Fannin) wrote:
Ummm, yeah. Cool! ;-)
Concerning from middle of nowhere, Ohio to KSU. Looks like a weight
station is going to be built on I-71 NB just south of Oh 95. Someone
took some time out of his or her's day to post a homemade sign just
before US 250 (on I-71 NB) that tells travellers that Ashland, Oh is
the capital for nice people (no pics of it though ;-(

What Marc didn't mention is that our theme this time (after the fact)
was highway/freeway endpoints. And that they were all prety
disapointingly bland (IOW, no sign of further work coming in all but
one instance).
Other than US 30 between Canton and East Canton (what do you know about
this one Brian?)
The only items we didn't get to (that we would of liked) were Center of
the world (still can't confirm if it has moved to Altoona, Pa ;-) and
one of the BGS's on I-76 EB (before the Turnpike bump) saying I-80 East
to New York City (and in lowercase letters beneith it) through Penna.
Now if we could only get the control cities on US 23 and I-75 north of
Toledo changed to Canada. ;-)

Sandor G -via deja news
because his normal newsreader hasn't sent anything since yesterday.

guly...@osu.edu

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Mar 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/22/00
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In article <s0tya7b...@csil-sunb37.cs.uiuc.edu>,
"David J. Greenberger" <gren...@uiuc.edu> wrote:

> musx...@kent.edu (Marc Fannin) writes:
>
> > Took pictures of traffic lights in downtown Ravenna. They look like
> > they're from the '40's but were installed only a few years ago. Took
> > Ravenna's street signs.
> ...

> > Took "{62}/{JCT}/{46}" assembly.
>
> Do you generally go around taking street signs and route assemblies?

What, us break laws and steal signs?!? :-)
We wanted to preserve them so others could follow in our footsteps
afterwards.
Besides, neither one of us had the right tools to take any of them off
their supports.


> --
> David J. Greenberger
> Department of Computer Science, University of Illinois at Urbana-
Champaign

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because my newsreader isn't working.

Marc Fannin

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Mar 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/22/00
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rne...@thecia.net (Ron Newman) wrote:

> musx...@kent.edu (Marc Fannin) wrote:
>
> > ...The bridge to nowhere in Twinsburg over 480/14 still has


> > "RELIVE AMERICA VOTE PEROT" on it, two Presidential campaigns
> > later. ;)
>

> "RELIVE" or "RELIEVE" ??

"RELIVE". Guess someone was in a hurry.

> > Route out of Kent: Ohio 59 EB to Ravenna
> >

> > Took pictures of traffic lights in downtown Ravenna. They look like
> > they're from the '40's but were installed only a few years ago.
>

> Please post these pictures on a web site somewhere. Thanks.

That is the purpose of these Road Trips, taking pictures to upload.
The pictures will all end up on Road Signs of Ohio, and fairly soon.
http://members.xoom.com/musxf579/ohsigns.html

> > ...Flashing light at Hawkins and Delia must have been replaced,
> > because it [appeared] to be a standard red-flashing assembly.


>
> I remember that light from when I used to live in Akron, 1965-68.
> Two large red lights, stacked vertically, alternately flashing in each
> direction. Never saw another one like that *anywhere*.

IIRC that is the standard in Texas. I've seen them scattered elsewhere.

We took a picture of that intersection anyway.

> > We covered the Inner Belt (MLK Freeway) pretty well.
>

> What's the status of the proposal to remove this freeway?

I believe it turned out just to be a brainchild of Mayor Plusquellic,
and no serious discussion has taken place since his announcement.
Brian Powell would probably know more.

Marc Fannin

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Mar 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/22/00
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I hate not having time to proofread my posts. My original post is
edited below.

guly...@osu.edu wrote:

> musx...@kent.edu (Marc Fannin) wrote:
>
> > Well, today was the day of Road Trip III, Sandor Gulyas' and my
> > photo-taking journey to points in the southern tier of Northeast
> > Ohio.
> >
> > My route to Kent State (where I met up with Sandor): Local
> > roads/routes to I-90 Exit 193 (Ohio 306), then I-90 WB to I-271 SB
> > to I-480/Ohio 14 EB to Ohio 14 EB to Ohio 43 SB (a route I could

> > probably do in my sleep). The bridge to nowhere in Twinsburg over


> > 480/14 still has "RELIVE AMERICA VOTE PEROT" on it, two
> > Presidential campaigns later. ;)
> >

> > Route out of Kent: Ohio 59 EB to Ravenna
> >
> > Took pictures of traffic lights in downtown Ravenna. They look like

> > they're from the '40's but were installed only a few years ago. Took
> > pictures of Ravenna's street signs.


> >
> > Old 44 SB to I-76 WB to Akron
> >
> > Took pictures of the recently rebuilt I-76 heading into town, for

> > the benefit of those who remember the old freeway. Various photos in
> > and near downtown Akron, mostly of traffic lights. Flashing light at


> > Hawkins and Delia must have been replaced, because it appeared to

> > be a standard red-flashing assembly (two four-way units). We
> > covered the Inner Belt (MLK Freeway) pretty well. We actually got


> > over to Norton before going back into Akron.

Sign on ramp from Wooster Avenue (old Ohio 5/extension of Ohio 585) to
Ohio 21 NB: "ERECT NO SIGNS ALONG ROADWAY". What about the sign
itself? ;) (No picture because it came up too fast)

> > I-77 SB to Canton
> >
> > There was construction to add a third lane between Arlington Road
> > and Ohio 241. Various pictures taken in Canton. Signage on Ohio 43
> > NB at Ohio 153 was standard, but there was some older signage going
> > onto 153 EB.
> >
> > US 30/Ohio 172 EB to East Canton
> >
> > Found an old Lincoln Highway marker. Pictures galore!
> >
> > US 62 EB to US 62 F EB, Alliance
> >

> > Right-of-way for US 62 east of Ohio 225 is non-existent even though


> > 225 has an overpass there.
> >
> > Local roads to north of Salem
> >

> > No sign of expansion at either end of the north bypass (also US 62
> > F per ODOT).


> >
> > Ohio 45 NB to US 224 EB to Canfield
> >

> > Took "{62}/{JCT}/{46}" assembly.
> >

> > Ohio 11 NB to I-80, then various routes in and around Youngstown
> >
> > Pretty much anything anybody wanted a picture of we got.

Not only did we not find any N-WEST or NORTH reassurance markers on US
422 between the inner loop (unofficial name) and I-80, but reassurance
markers of any type were absent except heading away from the
aforementioned highways. However, BGS on Ohio 711 labelled 422 as
S-EAST and N-WEST. Hopefully the photo will come out.

> > I-80 WB to I-76 WB to Kent
> >
> > Missed greater Warren, but ended up taking almost everything we
> > wanted anyway (Alt. I-80 signs, etc.). We didn't get US 45, but we
> > got US 165 and US 289 instead.
> >
> > Route home: Future (I'm still in Kent at the KSU Main Library, which
> > is about to close; otherwise I would have elaborated more.)

Route home: Ohio 43 SB to I-76 WB to double-check some things in Akron,
then Ohio 8 NB to I-271 NB to I-480 WB to I-77 NB to I-90 EB to
I-90/Ohio 2 EB to Ohio 2 EB to OH 615 SB to local roads to US 20 EB to
the Mentor KFC :) , then home via Geauga County (see below).

I took the detour home so I could say I was in all four major NE Ohio
cities in one day. In addition, between Sandor and myself, on this
particular calendar day, we covered a majority of NE Ohio counties and
travelled on or at least crossed almost every major highway in the
region. (Geauga and Ashtabula Counties are included through
technicalities: I happened to be in Ashtabula the night before, and
didn't leave the county until after midnight, and I live about a mile
from Geauga County, so I swung through it on my way home.)

> The only items we didn't get to (that we would of liked) were Center
> of the world (still can't confirm if it has moved to Altoona, Pa ;-)
> and one of the BGS's on I-76 EB (before the Turnpike bump) saying
> I-80 East to New York City (and in lowercase letters beneith it)
> through Penna.

But we got plenty of I-80 NYC and I-80 NY BGSs elsewhere.

SPUI

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Mar 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/22/00
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David J. Greenberger <gren...@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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> musx...@kent.edu (Marc Fannin) writes:
>
> > Took pictures of traffic lights in downtown Ravenna. They look like
> > they're from the '40's but were installed only a few years ago. Took
> > Ravenna's street signs.
> ...
> > Took "{62}/{JCT}/{46}" assembly.
>
> Do you generally go around taking street signs and route assemblies?

Shhh - don't tell Paul Wolf!
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David J. Greenberger

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Mar 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/22/00
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musx...@kent.edu (Marc Fannin) writes:

> Sign on ramp from Wooster Avenue (old Ohio 5/extension of Ohio 585) to
> Ohio 21 NB: "ERECT NO SIGNS ALONG ROADWAY". What about the sign
> itself? ;) (No picture because it came up too fast)

That reminds me of the signs at either end of the Brooklyn Bridge
warning that "ATTACHMENT OF ANY SORT TO THIS STRUCTURE blablabla" (it
goes on for a while, but basically it's forbidden). Some of us on this
newsgroup are quite attached to the Brooklyn Bridge!

David Jensen

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:23:26 -0500, in misc.transport.road
"SPUI" <d...@moraseskiREMOVE.com> wrote in <wk7C4.1343$yz2.796@client>:

>
>David J. Greenberger <gren...@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
>news:s0tya7b...@csil-sunb37.cs.uiuc.edu...
>> musx...@kent.edu (Marc Fannin) writes:
>>
>> > Took pictures of traffic lights in downtown Ravenna. They look like
>> > they're from the '40's but were installed only a few years ago. Took
>> > Ravenna's street signs.
>> ...
>> > Took "{62}/{JCT}/{46}" assembly.
>>
>> Do you generally go around taking street signs and route assemblies?
>
>Shhh - don't tell Paul Wolf!

or Rich Carlson
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guly...@osu.edu

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Mar 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/23/00
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In article <8ba6n3$drh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
musx...@kent.edu (Marc Fannin) wrote:

> > > Ohio 11 NB to I-80, then various routes in and around Youngstown
> > >
> > > Pretty much anything anybody wanted a picture of we got.
>
> Not only did we not find any N-WEST or NORTH reassurance markers on US
> 422 between the inner loop (unofficial name) and I-80, but reassurance
> markers of any type were absent except heading away from the
> aforementioned highways. However, BGS on Ohio 711 labelled 422 as
> S-EAST and N-WEST. Hopefully the photo will come out.
>
> > > I-80 WB to I-76 WB to Kent
> > >
> > > Missed greater Warren, but ended up taking almost everything we
> > > wanted anyway (Alt. I-80 signs, etc.). We didn't get US 45, but we
> > > got US 165 and US 289 instead.

> > The only items we didn't get to (that we would of liked) were Center


> > of the world (still can't confirm if it has moved to Altoona, Pa ;-)
> > and one of the BGS's on I-76 EB (before the Turnpike bump) saying
> > I-80 East to New York City (and in lowercase letters beneith it)
> > through Penna.
>
> But we got plenty of I-80 NYC and I-80 NY BGSs elsewhere.

Well, got the pictures done today (1 hour turnaround on photos are
great!)
The Bad news:
2/3 of the Youngstown photos didn't turn out. :-(
The cause. Everything is blurry. Reason why? Well, it can't be the
driver nor the picture taker, otherwise our site would never be. Don't
know if the roads were that bad, or if darkness makes precision a more
finite process (99% of the rest of the photos we took in Akron/Canton
and on are readable).
Causes and cures for blurry photos can probally be spun off into
another thread.

The Good news:
As mentioned in passing, 99% of the rest of the photos turned out.
Also got around to developing the last of my Philadelphia photos I took
back last milenium ;-)
Couple of Lincoln highway shots
Couple of I-76 (the you-know-what expressway) shots
Couple of the Man-of-war tavern in the medium of US 202 (still)
And one of a replica National Road marker in SWPA (Adam or Jeff?)

Sandor G - via dejanews


James C. Schul

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Mar 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/23/00
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Marc Fannin wrote:

> There was construction to add a third lane between Arlington Road and
> Ohio 241. Various pictures taken in Canton. Signage on Ohio 43 NB at
> Ohio 153 was standard, but there was some older signage going onto 153
> EB.

Is that square OH 153 marker still there?
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guly...@osu.edu

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JCS...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> Marc Fannin wrote:
>
> > There was construction to add a third lane between Arlington Road
and
> > Ohio 241. Various pictures taken in Canton. Signage on Ohio 43 NB at
> > Ohio 153 was standard, but there was some older signage going onto
> > 153 EB.
>
> Is that square OH 153 marker still there?

Nope. But we did find the even rarer Begin XX nn highway sign (in this
case a Begin Oh 153), for Ohio, there and got a picture of that.


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