All electronic tolling comming to FL Turnpike
necromancer
Motorists on a 47 mile stretch of the Turnpike from Miami to Florida
City will pay tolls either by SunPass or by a, "Toll by plate,"
system.
--
"I... Can't drive... FIFTY-FIVE!!"
--Sammy Hagar
JG
Well then the rental car companies will have fun with the charges.
James Robinson
> On Nov 19, 4:33 pm, necromancer wrote:
>
>> Ref:http://tinyurl.com/yabhl2e
>>
>> Motorists on a 47 mile stretch of the Turnpike from Miami to Florida
>> City will pay tolls either by SunPass or by a, "Toll by plate,"
>> system.
>>
> Well then the rental car companies will have fun with the charges.
In other places where similar tolling is in effect, the rental car
companies either get a transponder in their cars, so they can check for
charges on a current basis, or simply bill their customers' credit cards
after the fact, as described in their rental agreement. No big deal.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> In other places where similar tolling is in effect, the rental car
> companies either get a transponder in their cars, so they can check for
> charges on a current basis, or simply bill their customers' credit cards
> after the fact, as described in their rental agreement. No big deal.
Do the rental companies bill merely for the actual toll, or do they
add "service charges" for doing so?
I can't help but wonder if "service charges" are indeed added and are
rather generous. So a 50c toll might cost $5.50.
James Robinson
The contracts I've seen included both a minimun charge and an
administration fee for any follow-up billing.
Be forewarned, some rental car companies contract with a third party for
handling the billing, and a renter can get a nasty surprise with a $50
administration fee. It pays to read and understand the contract you get
with the rental firm.
Paul S Wolf
The 47 miles is the "Homestead Extension"
As for the Rental companies, they already have contracts with SunPass,
covering their cars.
From the Turnpike's web site:
IMPORTANT: DON�T PAY TOLLS TWICE �
If you are renting a vehicle from: Advantage, Alamo, Avis, Budget,
Dollar, Hertz, Global, National, Penske, Sunshine, or Thrifty � your
rental may include your tolls � ask your agent.
And from the SunPass site FAQs;
Q: What if I�m driving a rental car and missed a toll?
A: If you have not signed up for the PlatePass� or Pass24� program
with your rental agency, you need to contact that agency immediately to
resolve the issue. If you have signed up for the PlatePass� or Pass24�
program, the rental agency will identify the rental vehicle by the
license plate and use that information to electronically collect the
toll. Rental agencies will assess the fees agreed to in your rental
agreement to collect the toll.
--
Paul S. Wolf, PE, FITE mailto:paul....@alum.wpi.edu
Fellow, Institute of Transportation Engineers
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> > I can't help but wonder if "service charges" are indeed added and are
> > rather generous. So a 50c toll might cost $5.50.
>
> The contracts I've seen included both a minimun charge and an
> administration fee for any follow-up billing.
>
> Be forewarned, some rental car companies contract with a third party for
> handling the billing, and a renter can get a nasty surprise with a $50
> administration fee. It pays to read and understand the contract you get
> with the rental firm.
Geez, I was expecting a $5.00 extra fee or at worst $10.00, which I
think stinks. But $50! <sigh>
(And sometimes they own the "3rd party company", just make it look
separate so they don't get blamed for the sleazy practices.)
Unfortunately, studying the microfine print on a rental contract is
not particularly easy, especially in noisy poorly lit terminal
buildings, while you're standing there weighed down with your luggage,
tired from your trip and needing to pee, other people in line behind
you, etc. Trying to get a straight answer from the automatons who
work behind the counter isn't easy either.
Years ago Avis would advertise "We try harder!" and they really did.
They'd give you a place to sit down if you were tired. They'd let you
use their bathroom. They'd give you local directions and
information. They'd reimburse your cab fares, if any. The garage
service people would help you find your car, get you settled in it.
All this for relatively inexpensive rates.
Not on my last experience.
richard
So the 10,000 visitors from Michigan can just forget about paying tolls?
How do they plan on collecting from out of state plated cars?
zzyzxroad
you are so incredibly stooopid
did you bother to read the article
what part of this don't you understand
Even tourists can use the "Toll-by-Plate" system, officials said,
because Florida's Turnpike Enterprise will be able to compare out-of-
state plate information with other states' motor vehicle databases.
or to put it another way
if you evade enough tolls, they will turn it over to a collection
agency
let me explain something to you
if you get a parking ticket in say Miami Beach and you don't pay it
you think because you live in MI, WI, or podunk
they won't turn it over to collection
Paul Anderson
...wouldn't it just be easier to just pay with real money at the toll
booth? Like actual coins? All the extra data processing and databases
and cameras taking pictures of license plates and checking car rental
agreements and administrative fees have to be making driving on this
road more expensive than before.
I long for the sound of coins clunking into the change basket at the
toll booth. Ah, simpler days...
Paul
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> After reading all of this, I'm thinking...
>
> ...wouldn't it just be easier to just pay with real money at the toll
> booth? Like actual coins? All the extra data processing and databases
> and cameras taking pictures of license plates and checking car rental
> agreements and administrative fees have to be making driving on this
> road more expensive than before.
They're trying to save labor costs. Tollbooths have to be staffed
24/7, require security, faciltities.
> I long for the sound of coins clunking into the change basket at the
> toll booth. Ah, simpler days...
A toll bridge official told me change baskets were a real pain. Lots
of slugs, lots of toll evasion, and maintenance intensive. I guess
some tollgates still have them but I suspect they'll be gone soon.
Plus with inflation, what was once a 5c or 25c toll and appropriate
for a basket is now a $1 and drivers usually don't have that much
exact change. (I use a tollgate where the toll is 75c and everyone
pays with a dollar bill, some with $5 bills).
Paul Anderson
<d577fdab-b0d0-4e92...@x31g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>,
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Plus with inflation, what was once a 5c or 25c toll and appropriate
> for a basket is now a $1 and drivers usually don't have that much
> exact change. (I use a tollgate where the toll is 75c and everyone
> pays with a dollar bill, some with $5 bills).
This is one instance where using dollar coins would be much more
efficient than using $1 or $5 bills.
I do appreciate the ease-of-use of a transponder when I drive my wife's
car, which has one. I don't have one on my car as I don't drive on toll
roads often, but using coins is easy enough.
I love it when you finally get to your turn in line and the person in
front of you JUST REALIZES THEY HAVE TO PAY A TOLL AS IF IT'S A SURPRISE
TO THEM AND START LOOKING FOR CHANGE WHEN THEY GET TO THE BOOTH. Hello?
Paul
Paul S Wolf
Florida has also said the new scheme will reduce pollution, by
eliminating all the idling while waiting at the booths.
necromancer
wrote:
>So the 10,000 visitors from Michigan can just forget about paying tolls?
>How do they plan on collecting from out of state plated cars?
Send 'em the bill. The honest ones will pay for services they used.
People like you won't.
--
"Who the hell you calling crazy? You wouldn't know what crazy was
If Charles Manson was eating Froot Loops on your front porch...."
--Suicidal Tendencies
JG
> for parking tickets. The tolling authority will send the violation
> notice straight to the renter's mailbox.
How can it be a violation when no mechanism existed for the driver to
pay cash ??
James Robinson
> The rental companies will simply rat the renter out, just like they do
> for parking tickets. The tolling authority will send the violation
> notice straight to the renter's mailbox.
That's not how it normally works. In all the cases I'm familiar with,
where the renter doesn't identify himself to the toll authority, the
rental car company gets the bill. They are the registered owner of the
car, and the ones responsible to pay the charge.
The rental car companies then pass the cost on to the person who rented
the vehicle at the time. There are a number of ways each handle the
charges. Here is a link to the Denver toll road site, which describes
how each of the major rental car companies handles toll charges:
https://www.expresstoll.com/Default.aspx?pn=Rental%20Car%20Information
The Chief Instigator
> On Nov 20, 9:49?pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Last time on misc.transport.road, JG <jgrov...@hotmail.com> said:
>>
>> >On Nov 19, 4:33 pm, necromancer
>> ><a_septic_yank@worldofnecromancer_no_spam_no_way.org> wrote:
>> >> Ref:http://tinyurl.com/yabhl2e
>>
>> >> Motorists on a 47 mile stretch of the Turnpike from Miami to Florida
>> >> City will pay tolls either by SunPass or by a, "Toll by plate,"
>> >> system.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?--Sammy Hagar
>>
>> >Well then the rental car companies will have fun with the charges.
>>
>> The rental companies will simply rat the renter out, just like they do
>> for parking tickets. The tolling authority will send the violation
>> notice straight to the renter's mailbox.
>
> How can it be a violation when no mechanism existed for the driver to
> pay cash ??
What's the problem? Here, the HCTRA network of tollways are basically EZTAG
transponders on vehicle windshields, but if you don't have an EZTAG, rest
assured you'll be billed (with extra charges for having to go to the state
database to identify the car's owner, among other things).
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 3, Houston 2 (November 20)
NEXT GAME: Sunday, November 22 vs. Milwaukee, 4:05
John David Galt
> Perhaps it varies from place to place, or they do tolls differently
> than parking tickets. My wife got a parking ticket in a rental car one
> time; Hertz told them who was renting the car at the time the ticket
> was issued, and they sent us a nastygram in the mail. Since the ticket
> was from IL and we live in CA we just laughed and threw it away. :)
When Hertz tries to renew the car's plates, they'll have to pay it.
Then the ticket plus a couple of hundred in penalties will show up on
the credit card you rented the car with. If they haven't already.
rsh...@gmail.com
wrote:
since the issuing agency has your name and address, they will issue a
warrant for your arrest
should your wife ever go back to IL and she is stopped for something
they wilolo execute the warrant
they probably have sent the ticket to collections
richard
I don't think so. The company wasn't the one guilty of the crime.
The company won't pay your ticket either.
As for not paying the ticket, generally courts will order your license
suspended for 30 days. That says that nothing more can be done after that
time. That was your fine for not paying. Case closed.
One big problem. That order has no effect on a license issued by another
state. Never has, never will. I've had two "no seat belt" tickets issued I
did not pay. The state suspended my license for 30 days. Never showed up on
my home state records. I checked.
richard
Scare tactic. Cops will tell you that to trick you into paying.
Parking tickets are basically a civil matter. So the most they can do to
you is suspend your license. Whoop tee doo. See what I care. I don't live
in your state.
>
> they probably have sent the ticket to collections
Hardly. Courts don't do collections. Except to collect your ass.
James Robinson
> John David Galt wrote:
>
>> Scott in SoCal wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps it varies from place to place, or they do tolls differently
>>> than parking tickets. My wife got a parking ticket in a rental car
>>> one time; Hertz told them who was renting the car at the time the
>>> ticket was issued, and they sent us a nastygram in the mail. Since
>>> the ticket was from IL and we live in CA we just laughed and threw
>>> it away. :)
>>
>> When Hertz tries to renew the car's plates, they'll have to pay it.
>> Then the ticket plus a couple of hundred in penalties will show up on
>> the credit card you rented the car with. If they haven't already.
>
> I don't think so. The company wasn't the one guilty of the crime.
> The company won't pay your ticket either.
The state will charge the owner of the vehicle. They don't know who was
driving, and legally, the owner of the vehicle is responsible. The
rental car company will simply bill your credit card for the cost of the
ticket plus administration costs.
> As for not paying the ticket, generally courts will order your license
> suspended for 30 days. That says that nothing more can be done after
> that time. That was your fine for not paying. Case closed.
>
> One big problem. That order has no effect on a license issued by
> another state. Never has, never will. I've had two "no seat belt"
> tickets issued I did not pay. The state suspended my license for 30
> days. Never showed up on my home state records. I checked.
That depends on the state. Most states, but not all, have reciprocal
agreements that cover moving violations. If your driver's license was
suspended in one of these states for a violation that is also a violation
in the state you live in, your license will also be suspended in that
state.
Parking tickets, of course, are not typically covered.
These agreements came about to avoid the problem of out-of-state drivers
being jailed until violations have been taken care of. The state issuing
the ticket knows that a driver can't simply leave the state and avoid the
law.
Wisconsin is one state that doesn't participate in the national
agreements, and drivers from that state are subject to being held in
another state for serious moving violations. The state does, however,
have separate agreements with some neighboring states.
Here is a list of states that fall under the various agreements:
http://www.carinsurance.com/kb/content26407.aspx
Note that they are working on a national agreement that will hold all
violations and license cancellations in a central database.