What is the difference between West Side Highway, Henry Hudson Parkway, West Street, Route 9A, Joe Dimaggio Highway, and Miller Highway?
Mitsguy2001
Henry Hudson Parkway, West Street, Route 9A, Joe Dimaggio Highway, and the
Miller Highway; in New York City, NY? Are they all different names for the
same road? Are they different names for different sections of the same road?
If so, which name applies to which section? I assume that Joe Dimaggio Highway
and Miller Highway are just honorary names for certain sections of the roadway.
Which sections? I also assume the whole thing is Route 9A, but I could be
wrong. Anyone want to clear up this mystery for me? Thanks.
Christopher Blaney
Route 9A: State touring route number for the entire highway from the
Brooklyn Battery Tunnel all the way to the Henry Hudson Bridge, and further
north.
Henry Hudson Parkway: named designation for the highway, beginning at 72nd
Street, and going all the way up the the Henry Hudson Bridge.
Miller Highway: named designation for the highway from the BBT to 72nd
Street.
West Side Highway: ditto.
West Street: temporary street that connected the BBT with the existing
portions of the old West Side Highway, between 1973-2001.
Joe DiMaggio Highway: named designation for the highway from the BBT, I
believe all the way up to the HHB.
So to summarize, between BBT and 72nd Street, the road can be known as:
West Side Highway/Miller Highway/Joe Dimaggio Highway/Route 9A.
Between 72nd Street and the HHB, the road can be known as:
Henry Hudson Parkway/Joe DiMaggio Highway/Route 9A.
--Chris Blaney
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Mitsguy2001
>Parkway, West Street, Route 9A, Joe Dimag
>Date: 6/22/2004 7:57 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <0I3Cc.31346$MW4....@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>
>
>My understanding is:
>
>Route 9A: State touring route number for the entire highway from the
>Brooklyn Battery Tunnel all the way to the Henry Hudson Bridge, and further
>north.
I am always confused as to whether it is really a state road or a city road. I
don't think it has the NYSDOT reference markers.
>
>Henry Hudson Parkway: named designation for the highway, beginning at 72nd
>Street, and going all the way up the the Henry Hudson Bridge.
>
>Miller Highway: named designation for the highway from the BBT to 72nd
>Street.
>
>West Side Highway: ditto.
>
>West Street: temporary street that connected the BBT with the existing
>portions of the old West Side Highway, between 1973-2001.
So in other words, West Street no longer exists? Why did it have the
designation "street" when it runs north-south?
>Joe DiMaggio Highway: named designation for the highway from the BBT, I
>believe all the way up to the HHB.
>
>So to summarize, between BBT and 72nd Street, the road can be known as:
>
>West Side Highway/Miller Highway/Joe Dimaggio Highway/Route 9A.
>
>Between 72nd Street and the HHB, the road can be known as:
>
>Henry Hudson Parkway/Joe DiMaggio Highway/Route 9A.
That's strange that sections named after people overlap.
>--Chris Blaney
Mitsguy2001
>Parkway, West Street, Route 9A, Joe Dimag
>From: "Christopher Blaney" cbl...@my-deja.com
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>
>> I am always confused as to whether it is really a state road or a city
>road. I
>> don't think it has the NYSDOT reference markers.
>
>difference. There are many miles of state touring routes through villages
>and cities throughout NYS that are not maintained by NYSDOT and therefore
>not state highways. Route 9A from BBT to HHB is not a state highway, it's
>city-maintained.
So then it becomes a state highway north of the HHB, in the Bronx? I would
have thought that it would become a state highway where it becomes the Henry
Hudson Parkway, since it carries a 9xx reference routes, and I don't think
NYSDOT ever assigns a reference route number to a non-NYSDOT road, since it
would be completely pointless.
Christopher Blaney
> So then it becomes a state highway north of the HHB, in the Bronx? I
would
> have thought that it would become a state highway where it becomes the
Henry
> Hudson Parkway, since it carries a 9xx reference routes, and I don't think
> NYSDOT ever assigns a reference route number to a non-NYSDOT road, since
it
> would be completely pointless.
No, there, you are correct. Where the NYSDOT reference markers begin, is
where the state highway begins. Note, however, that the Henry Hudson Parkway
has a 9xx "secret" route number, as opposed to carrying 9A reference
markers. I suspect this is the case because the HHP existed before Route 9A
did, or something along those lines.
Chris Blaney
Nathan Perry
mitsg...@aol.com (Mitsguy2001) wrote:
Henry Hudson Parkway, in its entirety, is a split-jurisdiction parkway,
meaning NYSDOT and NYC have divided responsibility for it. That begins
at 72nd Street. South of that it's a city road with a state touring
route number assigned to it. My understanding is that that stretch alone
is known as the Joe DiMaggio Highway.
Mitsguy2001
>Parkway, West Street, Route 9A, Joe Dimag
>Date: 6/25/2004 8:28 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <nperry-41BF00....@syrcnyrdrs-02-ge0.nyroc.rr.com>
So then what stretch is is West Street, and what stretch is the Miller Highway?
Nathan Perry
mitsg...@aol.com (Mitsguy2001) wrote:
Miller Highway was the old elevated job, south of 72nd Street, under
which the kids fought in West Side Story. Equivalent in extent to the
West Side Highway, but applied exclusively to the ill-fated elevated
structure, while "West Side Highway" lives on to the present-day road.
West Street was the surface road beneath the Miller Elevated Highway,
like Bruckner Blvd. is to the Bruckner Expressway. When the elevated was
torn down, West Street was what remained. It may even still be the
official name for the reconstructed roadway of today.
Mitsguy2001
>Parkway, West Street, Route 9A, Joe Dimag
>From: Nathan Perry npe...@rochester.rr.com
>Message-id: <nperry-74FB7B....@syrcnyrdrs-02-ge0.nyroc.rr.com>
So then, is the elevated section between 57th Street ans 72nd Street still
considered the Miller Highway? Or is that just the West Side Highway? Which
part is the Joe Dimaggio Highway?
>
>West Street was the surface road beneath the Miller Elevated Highway,
>like Bruckner Blvd. is to the Bruckner Expressway. When the elevated was
>torn down, West Street was what remained. It may even still be the
>official name for the reconstructed roadway of today.
Is that just the part in Lower Manhattan, or does it exist all the way up to
57th Street?
Nathan Perry
mitsg...@aol.com (Mitsguy2001) wrote:
> So then, is the elevated section between 57th Street ans 72nd Street still
> considered the Miller Highway? Or is that just the West Side Highway? Which
> part is the Joe Dimaggio Highway?
I guess technically it's still the Miller, since it's the last remaining
piece of that highway. As to the exact designation of the Joe DiMaggio
Highway, I'd check nycroads.com or the state highway law at the state
senate website.
> >
> >West Street was the surface road beneath the Miller Elevated Highway,
> >like Bruckner Blvd. is to the Bruckner Expressway. When the elevated was
> >torn down, West Street was what remained. It may even still be the
> >official name for the reconstructed roadway of today.
>
> Is that just the part in Lower Manhattan, or does it exist all the way up to
> 57th Street?
Hmm, not sure. I think 11th Ave. and 12th Ave. are also names given to
part of the road. Tell you what, I'm going to NYC next week, I'll be
sure to notice what the signs tell me.
Steve Anderson
The "Joe DiMaggio Highway" designation on NY 9A exists from Battery
Park north to West 72nd Street.
http://www.nycroads.com/roads/west-side/
http://www.senate.state.ny.us/Docs/press99/press025.html
As for the actual street signs, they are a mix of "West Street," "11th
Avenue" and "12th Avenue" up to West 57th Street. In popular (but by
no means official) nomenclature, it still is known as the "West Side
Highway."
And as for the short elevated "Miller Highway" segment between West
57th and West 72nd, it is officially part of the Joe DiMaggio (West
Side) Highway, even though signs refer to it as part of the Henry
Hudson Parkway.
-- Steve Anderson
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Allston Parking Refugee
> Henry Hudson Parkway, in its entirety, is a split-jurisdiction parkway,
> meaning NYSDOT and NYC have divided responsibility for it. That begins
> at 72nd Street. South of that it's a city road with a state touring
> route number assigned to it.
But NYSDOT managed the recent reconstruction of the surface street
south of 59th into an "urban boulevard" (which means a highway with
fake cast iron lamp posts).
-Apr
Peter T. Daniels
>
> Nathan Perry <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message news:<nperry-5C5088....@syrcnyrdrs-01-ge0.nyroc.rr.com>...
> > In article <20040626145613...@mb-m24.aol.com>,
> > mitsg...@aol.com (Mitsguy2001) wrote:
> >
> > > So then, is the elevated section between 57th Street ans 72nd Street still
> > > considered the Miller Highway? Or is that just the West Side Highway? Which
> > > part is the Joe Dimaggio Highway?
> >
> > I guess technically it's still the Miller, since it's the last remaining
> > piece of that highway. As to the exact designation of the Joe DiMaggio
> > Highway, I'd check nycroads.com or the state highway law at the state
> > senate website.
> > > >
> > > >West Street was the surface road beneath the Miller Elevated Highway,
> > > >like Bruckner Blvd. is to the Bruckner Expressway. When the elevated was
> > > >torn down, West Street was what remained. It may even still be the
> > > >official name for the reconstructed roadway of today.
> > >
> > > Is that just the part in Lower Manhattan, or does it exist all the way up to
> > > 57th Street?
> >
> > Hmm, not sure. I think 11th Ave. and 12th Ave. are also names given to
> > part of the road. Tell you what, I'm going to NYC next week, I'll be
> > sure to notice what the signs tell me.
>
> The "Joe DiMaggio Highway" designation on NY 9A exists from Battery
> Park north to West 72nd Street.
> http://www.nycroads.com/roads/west-side/
> http://www.senate.state.ny.us/Docs/press99/press025.html
The only DiMaggio sign I've noticed is overhead at 72nd St.
> As for the actual street signs, they are a mix of "West Street," "11th
> Avenue" and "12th Avenue" up to West 57th Street. In popular (but by
> no means official) nomenclature, it still is known as the "West Side
> Highway."
>
> And as for the short elevated "Miller Highway" segment between West
> 57th and West 72nd, it is officially part of the Joe DiMaggio (West
> Side) Highway, even though signs refer to it as part of the Henry
> Hudson Parkway.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
David Chui
news:cd33592e.04062...@posting.google.com:
> As for the actual street signs, they are a mix of "West Street," "11th
> Avenue" and "12th Avenue" up to West 57th Street. In popular (but by
> no means official) nomenclature, it still is known as the "West Side
> Highway."
Downtown where it's West Street, some of the streets that intersect it do
have directional signs for "9A / West Side Hwy".
- David
Steve Anderson
"NY 9A/West Side Hwy."
-- Steve Anderson
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David J. Greenberger
> As for the actual street signs, they are a mix of "West Street," "11th
> Avenue" and "12th Avenue" up to West 57th Street. In popular (but by
> no means official) nomenclature, it still is known as the "West Side
> Highway."
Not quite a mix, since those street names refer to different sections
of the highway.
There is (or was?) one erroneous NYSDOT-issue WEST ST sign at 38th
Street. It's the only NYSDOT-issue street sign blade in the area. (I
think the only others, if there are any at all, are down where it
really is West Street.)
Some maps refer to a very short 13th Avenue. Is/was that for real?
--
David J. Greenberger
New York, NY
Peter T. Daniels
> Some maps refer to a very short 13th Avenue. Is/was that for real?
It was under the West Side Highway.
(In the olden days, when nearly a dozen ocean liners and lots of
freighters could be docked at once, you needed plenty of access to the
piers! My mother took over my uncle's job in freight forwarding when he
went off to the War in 1944, and ca. 1960 we would drive down the WSH
and she'd read off the cruise lines and freight lines from the colors of
their smokestacks.)
David J. Greenberger
> David J. Greenberger wrote:
>
>> Some maps refer to a very short 13th Avenue. Is/was that for real?
>
> It was under the West Side Highway.
But weren't West Street and 12th Avenue also under the West Side
Highway?
I think 13th Avenue referred to the short bit of what is now called
11th Avenue south of 23rd Street.
Peter T. Daniels
>
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
> > David J. Greenberger wrote:
> >
> >> Some maps refer to a very short 13th Avenue. Is/was that for real?
> >
> > It was under the West Side Highway.
>
> But weren't West Street and 12th Avenue also under the West Side
> Highway?
Sure. But Thirteenth would be west of Twelfth.
If my two framed early-20s street maps emerge from the boxes, I can
check what was there before the WSH.
> I think 13th Avenue referred to the short bit of what is now called
> 11th Avenue south of 23rd Street.
Is it west of Twelfth Avenue??
danny burstein
>> I think 13th Avenue referred to the short bit of what is now called
>> 11th Avenue south of 23rd Street.
Not, at least, as of the 1962 Hagstrom's.
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Peter T. Daniels
>
> In <40E9E6...@worldnet.att.net> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
No, I don't.
> >> I think 13th Avenue referred to the short bit of what is now called
> >> 11th Avenue south of 23rd Street.
>
> Not, at least, as of the 1962 Hagstrom's.
I have a '62 Hagstrom's too!
Bill Mitchell
> >
> >> Some maps refer to a very short 13th Avenue. Is/was that for real?
> >
> > It was under the West Side Highway.
>
> But weren't West Street and 12th Avenue also under the West Side
> Highway?
>
> I think 13th Avenue referred to the short bit of what is now called
> 11th Avenue south of 23rd Street.
My 1924 map shows that as West Street.
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David J. Greenberger
> David J. Greenberger wrote:
>>
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>
>> > David J. Greenberger wrote:
>> >
>> >> Some maps refer to a very short 13th Avenue. Is/was that for real?
>> >
>> > It was under the West Side Highway.
>>
>> But weren't West Street and 12th Avenue also under the West Side
>> Highway?
>
> Sure. But Thirteenth would be west of Twelfth.
Not this 13th. This 13th, IIRC, came between the 12th Avenue and the
West Street sections of the street under the West Side Highway. It
was west of 10th and east of the Hudson.
> If my two framed early-20s street maps emerge from the boxes, I can
> check what was there before the WSH.
If you get a chance, please do.
>> I think 13th Avenue referred to the short bit of what is now called
>> 11th Avenue south of 23rd Street.
>
> Is it west of Twelfth Avenue??
No. It is south of Twelfth Avenue.