The generosity of the NY Thruway System
bostontricky
heavy rain started just as I was packing the car, got out of town
around seven and had reservations in Syracuse. Driving rain slowed
things down in Western Mass, but we were still looking at a 1:00 AM
arrival, so things didn't look too bad...
...until we got to a nifty little backup just shy of Exit 34 -
apparently the semi had overturned and caught fire somewhere between
there and 481, so the westbound lanes were shut down and traffic was
forced off the Thruway and on to other routes. AND WE HAD TO WAIT
HALF AN HOUR TO PAY THE TOLL.
I'm not necessarily looking for a free ride here, but would it be
unprecedented for the Thruway system to waive tolls in an instance
such as this? There was one collector on duty to reap this bonanza,
the likes of which probably busted the hinges of the night deposit box
at the Last National Bank in Chittenango that night...
To spend half an hour to wait for the privilege to pay to exit that
road at that hour - am I being unreasonable in asking for tolls to be
waived?
Matthew Borowski
>
> To spend half an hour to wait for the privilege to pay to exit that
> road at that hour - am I being unreasonable in asking for tolls to be
> waived?
Tollways suck.
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Jeff Kitsko
done that with the mega traffic jam I was in at Vinita, OK because an
accident closed I-44 outside of Tulsa. One toll lane to get back on a 5
mile backup of cars and trucks.
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Jeff Leadbeater
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> "bostontricky" <boston...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Had a nasty drive from Boston to Buffalo last Thursday night (6/27) -
> > heavy rain started just as I was packing the car, got out of town
> > around seven and had reservations in Syracuse. Driving rain slowed
> > things down in Western Mass, but we were still looking at a 1:00 AM
> > arrival, so things didn't look too bad...
> >
> > ...until we got to a nifty little backup just shy of Exit 34 -
> > apparently the semi had overturned and caught fire somewhere between
> > there and 481, so the westbound lanes were shut down and traffic was
> > forced off the Thruway and on to other routes. AND WE HAD TO WAIT
> > HALF AN HOUR TO PAY THE TOLL.
> >
> > I'm not necessarily looking for a free ride here, but would it be
> > unprecedented for the Thruway system to waive tolls in an instance
> > such as this? There was one collector on duty to reap this bonanza,
> > the likes of which probably busted the hinges of the night deposit box
> > at the Last National Bank in Chittenango that night...
> >
> > To spend half an hour to wait for the privilege to pay to exit that
> > road at that hour - am I being unreasonable in asking for tolls to be
> > waived?
>
> done that with the mega traffic jam I was in at Vinita, OK because an
> accident closed I-44 outside of Tulsa. One toll lane to get back on a 5
> mile backup of cars and trucks.
They do that all the time in the OOCEA and Florida's Turnpike. Tolls were
waived statewide for major wildfires in 1998 and for Hurricanes Floyd and
Irene in 1999. And the OOCEA waived tolls at one toll plaza earlier this
year when a fiery accident occurred in one of its lanes.
Jeff Leadbeater
Chris J.
Anyway, I've never seen the Thruway suspend tolls for any reason.
Only time that I have heard where tolls were suspended was on a police chase
show.
There was a high speed chase on the Thruway on the Erie Section and the
suspect was approaching the Lackawanna Barrier, so State Police ordered
people to move on through and forget the toll.
From what I heard, people didn't even listen and some refused to go though
without paying.
I myself have been stuck in a ½ hour to 1 hour delay at the Cannan Barrier
on the Berkshire Spur.
I was with my parents who don't have E-ZPass, so we had to wait for a while
before the Thruway could get our 55¢.
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Chris Jordan
Capital Highways - The highways of New York's Capital Region.
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Mr. Yamamoto of Hollywood
home, and by habit, I jumped into the EZ-pass lane. Problem was I was in my car
and I don't have an EZ-Pass. I got off in Saugerties and explained myself, and
the ticket collector took me at my word, rather than charging me from junction
16, which he could have done.
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Mr Yamamoto of Hollywood
http://mr_yamamoto.50megs.com
"It's in the water. That's why it's yellow"
Sean Fay
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>Date: 7/4/02 7:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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That would have sucked, even though it isn't THAT expensive. But tolls have
some purpose. It wouldn't be fair to tax someone in Binghamton who never uses
the Thruway for repairs on it.
Sean "Terrorists are Assclowns" Fay
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Mr. Yamamoto of Hollywood
>some purpose. It wouldn't be fair to tax someone in Binghamton who never uses
>the Thruway for repairs on it.
deal there. I have no problems with tollways, personally.
RLDean
>That would have sucked, even though it isn't THAT expensive. But tolls have
>some purpose. It wouldn't be fair to tax someone in Binghamton who never uses
>the Thruway for repairs on it.
>
Is it fair to tax someone in Utica who never uses I-81 or NY 17/Future I-86
in Bingo?
Is it fair to use toll revenue paid by Thruway customers to maintain other
non-toll interstates such as I-84 and I-684?
That's what they do in NY State.
AKirsc5653
>non-toll interstates such as I-84 and I-684?
>That's what they do in NY State.
I-84 is Thruway-maintained, but I-684 is not. You may be thinking of the
Cross-Westchester Expressway, I-287.
I'm not sure why the Thruway picked the roads they did. I would have thought a
major road like the Long Island Expressway, I-495, or maybe the Northway/I-87
would have made more sense than the doohicky Cross Westchester. Wouldn't
"Thruway" suggest the state's main roads? I suppose they took what the tolls
could pay for.
:-) Andrew
David Ross
> Is it fair to use toll revenue paid by Thruway customers to maintain
other
> non-toll interstates such as I-84 and I-684?
> That's what they do in NY State.
It's not and I think it should be illegal. Here in the Bay Area there are 7
bridges that have tolls on them. At least 2 of them (Golden Gate and
Oakland Bay) should have had the tolls discontinued a long time ago. The
tolls were to pay for the cost of the bridge, not the upkeep and (in the
case of Golden Gate) transit systems.
--
David Ross
http://home.attbi.com/~damiross/
Mr. Yamamoto of Hollywood
>non-toll interstates such as I-84
Well, if you call that Maintainence-bwhahahahaaha! But seriously folks, There's
major work afoot to revise the Thruway/CWE junction(the "I-8" project), and to
do a half-assed rebuilding of JN 17/7(IH 87 and IH 84). NYSDOT doesn't have the
kind of money for major works projects-thanks to a $3bn bond issue getting
tubed in 2000, and of course, 9-11 aint gonna help matters any, either. So the
only way to finance major works in the Thruway System is by tolls. If you use
IH 287 or IH 84, there always is the possibility you'll link into a toll
portion of the Thruway system, so you'll end up paying your share, like it or
not.
Jason L. Bennett
>
> >From: yank...@aol.composite
>
> >That would have sucked, even though it isn't THAT expensive. But tolls have
> >some purpose. It wouldn't be fair to tax someone in Binghamton who never uses
> >the Thruway for repairs on it.
> >
>
> Is it fair to tax someone in Utica who never uses I-81 or NY 17/Future I-86
> in Bingo?
Possibly I could understand a Utican never using I-86. I-81, on the
other hand, should see fair use by a Utican, usually in the Syracuse or
Watertown areas and maybe even Bingo on an odd occasion. Rather, as
long as we're playing devil's advocate here, should it be fair for
someone in Essex County to pay for a new 4 lane highway in the middle of
Cattaraugus County which would take Buffalo traffic to the middle of
nowhere???
> Is it fair to use toll revenue paid by Thruway customers to maintain other
> non-toll interstates such as I-84 and I-684?
> That's what they do in NY State.
Don't forget the canalways. Tolls pay for them too.
Jason L. Bennett
Oriskany, NY
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Jason L. Bennett
Unless you die on the Thruway, you have to pay a toll to exit the
facility. Even if you are in a traffic accident, you still pay for your
vehicle to exit. The only other exemption is for emergency vehicles, of
course.
For the privilege of being a Thruway "Patron" one would think to keep
their customer base that in times of disaster, such as a traffic
accident, the T-way would collect no toll on exit. Instead, issue a new
ticket to be given to the next attendant at your reentry to the T-way
whereby your previous toll amount could be added and then paid at your
destination exit.
Andrew Muck
>> Unless you die on the Thruway, you have to pay a toll to exit the
> facility. Even if you are in a traffic accident, you still pay for your
> vehicle to exit. The only other exemption is for emergency vehicles, of
> course.
>
> For the privilege of being a Thruway "Patron" one would think to keep
> their customer base that in times of disaster, such as a traffic
> accident, the T-way would collect no toll on exit. Instead, issue a new
> ticket to be given to the next attendant at your reentry to the T-way
> whereby your previous toll amount could be added and then paid at your
> destination exit.
This is very true as this past winter, i had the interesting
opportunity to be on the road with the Olympic Torch van, while the
torch was on its way to Salt Lake City, it even had to pay the toll.
The athletes that represent our country nor the IOC get a break
either.
Andrew Muck
RLDean
>I-84 is Thruway-maintained, but I-684 is not. You may be thinking of the
>Cross-Westchester Expressway, I-287.
I meant to include I-287. For some reason I remember the Thruway symbol on
the mile markers for I-684 too but I could be mistaken.
Rich Dean
CountryNYR
emergencies.
Eric G.
Pocono, PA/Sandusky, OH/Long Island, NY
Whew!!
CountryNYR
>the mile markers for I-684 too but I could be mistaken.
Speaking of I-684, does Connecticut contract New York to maintain that 1 mile
of road that they have? I don't see any seams in the pavement at all.
CountryNYR
>other
>> non-toll interstates such as I-84 and I-684?
>> That's what they do in NY State.
>
If you ever cross a TBTA bridge, those tolls go mainly to the subway system
(MTA). And the subway riders bitch about $1.50 for an unlimited ride! Come on
now..
AKirsc5653
>the mile markers for I-684 too but I could be mistaken.
Nope. They say :
MILE
CW
1
.
5
or whatever. "CW" stands for "Cross Westchester" (Expressway).
:-) Andrew
AKirsc5653
>Speaking of I-684, does Connecticut contract New York to maintain that 1 mile
>of road that they have? I don't see any seams in the pavement at all.
It has to be maintained by New York. It has all the trappings of NYSDOT Region
8, with the reference markers and the Westchester/Long Island/NYC style
"Sponsor-A-Highway" signs.
:-) Andrew
Mr. Yamamoto of Hollywood
and it was resealed when the rest of the road was.
Hank Eisenstein
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> > Is it fair to use toll revenue paid by Thruway customers to maintain
> >other
> >> non-toll interstates such as I-84 and I-684?
> >> That's what they do in NY State.
> >
>
>
> If you ever cross a TBTA bridge, those tolls go mainly to the subway
system
> (MTA). And the subway riders bitch about $1.50 for an unlimited ride!
Come on
> now..
Face it, if it costs money, people will bitch about it. Notice no one
complains about paying $2.50 for a gallon of milk, but god forbid gasoline
should cost as much.
-Hank
Gene Janczynskyi
other
> emergencies.
>
(mostly used when a hurricane threatens the state) all state owned toll
roads (too many to list) to be lifted of any tolls until the threat is over.
County and city owned toll roads vary.
It's fun yet weird when you see the toll attendants wave their big
red/orange flags as you go thru the toll plaza.
--
Gene Janczynskyi
in Cape Coral, FL