Have DC lost their minds?
Nate Nagel
some shiny new signs "Speed Limit 40 - Photo Enforced" WTF, over? The
old speed limit was too low (for those not familiar, this is a six lane
divided highway with no intersections and no obvious hazards, and
actually decent concrete pavement) 40 is just insane. Sounds like DC is
saying "hey, motorists, fuck off."
Funny thing is that the speed limit on the unbelievably awful Anacostia
Freeway is still 45, now higher than the far superior road.
nate
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wrote:
>Was on the SE/SW freeway today for the first time in a long time... saw
>some shiny new signs "Speed Limit 40 - Photo Enforced" WTF, over? The
>old speed limit was too low (for those not familiar, this is a six lane
>divided highway with no intersections and no obvious hazards, and
>actually decent concrete pavement) 40 is just insane. Sounds like DC is
>saying "hey, motorists, fuck off."
How else do you think that the DC mayor gets his crack money?
>Funny thing is that the speed limit on the unbelievably awful Anacostia
>Freeway is still 45, now higher than the far superior road.
The rest od DC government must be crask addled too.
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Froggie
>
> >Was on the SE/SW freeway today for the first time in a long time... saw
> >some shiny new signs "Speed Limit 40 - Photo Enforced" WTF, over? The
> >old speed limit was too low (for those not familiar, this is a six lane
> >divided highway with no intersections and no obvious hazards, and
> >actually decent concrete pavement) 40 is just insane. Sounds like DC is
> >saying "hey, motorists, fuck off."
>
> How else do you think that the DC mayor gets his crack money?
Marion's a DC councilmember now...no longer the mayor.
There's two factors at play here:
- DC's underposting of freeway speed limits.
- The preponderence of speed and red light cameras, which IMO isn't
just as a revenue generator, but also because of an acute lack of
traffic enforcement by the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) to
begin with.
Froggie | Alexandria, VA | http://www.ajfroggie.com/roads/
gpsman
> Was on the SE/SW freeway today for the first time in a long time... saw
> some shiny new signs "Speed Limit 40 - Photo Enforced" WTF, over? The
> old speed limit was too low (for those not familiar, this is a six lane
> divided highway with no intersections and no obvious hazards, and
> actually decent concrete pavement) 40 is just insane.
Well, genius driver, it is "divided" in part by a narrow 6" high
median which makes "on-coming traffic" something some might recognize
as an obvious hazard.
Elsewhere it is divided/bordered by short Jersey barriers, which some
might recognize as an obvious hazard.
It has narrow or no shoulders (aka "runoff area"), which some might
recognize as an obvious hazard.
It is bordered in places by stone walls, which some might recognize as
an obvious hazard.
Then, of course, there's you, one of the many "drivers" for whom there
is rarely a "legitimate" reason to operate just a little more
slowly... for 3 whole miles.
> Funny thing is that the speed limit on the unbelievably awful Anacostia
> Freeway is still 45, now higher than the far superior road.
"More lanes" ≠ "superior". It has shoulders, more forgiving dividing
and bordering "guardrails" and far fewer entrances and exits (aka
"merge points") per mile.
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- gpsman
N8N
> On Jul 26, 8:33 pm, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
>
> > Was on the SE/SW freeway today for the first time in a long time... saw
> > some shiny new signs "Speed Limit 40 - Photo Enforced" WTF, over? The
> > old speed limit was too low (for those not familiar, this is a six lane
> > divided highway with no intersections and no obvious hazards, and
> > actually decent concrete pavement) 40 is just insane.
>
> Well, genius driver, it is "divided" in part by a narrow 6" high
> median which makes "on-coming traffic" something some might recognize
> as an obvious hazard.
No, it's got a full Jersey barrier.
>
> Elsewhere it is divided/bordered by short Jersey barriers, which some
> might recognize as an obvious hazard.
um...if you don't consider a Jersey barrier safe, then what is?
>
> It has narrow or no shoulders (aka "runoff area"), which some might
> recognize as an obvious hazard.
Not true - they're far wider than the (nonexistent) shoulders on the
Anacostia Freeway, which is posted at a higher speed. Additionally,
the SE/SW freeway is one of the "unsigned" Interstate highways in the
area, therefore must meet all the design criteria for an urban
Interstate.
>
> It is bordered in places by stone walls, which some might recognize as
> an obvious hazard.
You're thinking of the B-W Parkway and/or New York Avenue.
>
> Then, of course, there's you, one of the many "drivers" for whom there
> is rarely a "legitimate" reason to operate just a little more
> slowly... for 3 whole miles.
There isn't. Unless you consider "revenue" a valid reason. I don't
even know that it's kosher to sign an Interstate highway at 40 MPH, at
all.
>
> > Funny thing is that the speed limit on the unbelievably awful Anacostia
> > Freeway is still 45, now higher than the far superior road.
>
> "More lanes" ≠ "superior". It has shoulders, more forgiving dividing
> and bordering "guardrails" and far fewer entrances and exits (aka
> "merge points") per mile.
I think you need to refresh your familiarity with DC-area roads. The
Anacostia is either comparable or (usually) inferior to the SE/SW
freeway in all of the criteria you list above. And for most of its
length it has no shoulders to speak of - just a few inches of asphalt
and a curb.
nate
rsh...@gmail.com
this is what he is referring to
and this is the anacostia
so you are both right and both wrong
but I come down in the side of the gpsman
and you realize DC has a 50mph sl under any conditions
in addition traffic volumes on the SW frwy are generally heavier which
may have something to do with a 40mph sl
during weekdays I cannot imagine doing much faster then 40 on the sw
frwy
btw there are lots of places in the interstates with 45 mph sl's
Rochester, NY, on I-490, Worcester, MA, on I-290, several places on
the NYC expwys
gpsman
> > Elsewhere it is divided/bordered by short Jersey barriers, which some
> > might recognize as an obvious hazard.
>
> um...if you don't consider a Jersey barrier safe, then what is?
Nothing. There is no "safe" in driving. There's more safe and less
safe, but it's pretty much all dangerous.
> > It has narrow or no shoulders (aka "runoff area"), which some might
> > recognize as an obvious hazard.
>
> Not true - they're far wider than the (nonexistent) shoulders on the
> Anacostia Freeway, which is posted at a higher speed.
> > It is bordered in places by stone walls, which some might recognize as
> > an obvious hazard.
>
> You're thinking of the B-W Parkway and/or New York Avenue.
> > Then, of course, there's you, one of the many "drivers" for whom there
> > is rarely a "legitimate" reason to operate just a little more
> > slowly... for 3 whole miles.
>
> There isn't. Unless you consider "revenue" a valid reason.
"Revenue" is considered "tuition" among drivers more knowledgeable and
competent than yourself.
We are not subject to it.
> I don't
> even know that it's kosher to sign an Interstate highway at 40 MPH, at
> all.
You know less than nothing since so much of what you think you know is
wrong.
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- gpsman
N8N
>
That looks like about the worst part of that freeway...
> and this is the anacostia
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=washingto...
>
Actually, that's the I-295 portion of it. The DC-295 portion is
execrable. They did repave it a couple years ago but the pavement has
already deteriorated badly.
> so you are both right and both wrong
>
> but I come down in the side of the gpsman
>
> and you realize DC has a 50mph sl under any conditions
yes, which is understandable for *most* roads - I would make an
exception for SE/SW freeway and I-295 however
>
> in addition traffic volumes on the SW frwy are generally heavier which
> may have something to do with a 40mph sl
So because it jams up during the week I have to drive 40 MPH on a
Sunday? The cop that blew by me at about 65 certainly didn't see the
need to do so. (I've seen them going faster there as well, but only
saw one cop there yesterday.) And when I used to live in MD I would
take that way home several days a week, and usually you could safely
drive faster than 40 even during evening rush hour, at least until you
got past South Capitol Street.
>
> during weekdays I cannot imagine doing much faster then 40 on the sw
> frwy
>
> btw there are lots of places in the interstates with 45 mph sl's
>
> Rochester, NY, on I-490, Worcester, MA, on I-290, several places on
> the NYC expwys
The new signs said 40 MPH, not 45.
nate
rsh...@gmail.com
I don't understand all the whining
it is 3 or so miles at 40mph
and you well know cops are going to do what they are going to do no
matter what you might think
and you are well advised it is photo enforced
unless you can find some way to change it thru DC Council, I guess you
are going to have to live with it
>
> > during weekdays I cannot imagine doing much faster then 40 on the sw
> > frwy
>
> > btw there are lots of places in the interstates with 45 mph sl's
>
> > Rochester, NY, on I-490, Worcester, MA, on I-290, several places on
> > the NYC expwys
>
> The new signs said 40 MPH, not 45.
>
> nate
so exactly what is 5mph???
N8N
Or just not drive through DC, not patronize any gas stations,
restaurants, or businesses in DC, and avoid spending money in any way
that would contribute to the DC tax base. Of course I do that anyway,
because they've been anti-motorist for years. The only times I
actually go into DC anymore are a) cutting through on the way to
Annapolis or b) visiting someone that actually lives in the District.
I think I'm going to have to cut back on a) and just take the Beltway
if that's the way they're going to be. It's an obvious revenue setup,
building an Interstate-quality highway and then signing it as if it
were a surface street.
>
> > > during weekdays I cannot imagine doing much faster then 40 on the sw
> > > frwy
>
> > > btw there are lots of places in the interstates with 45 mph sl's
>
> > > Rochester, NY, on I-490, Worcester, MA, on I-290, several places on
> > > the NYC expwys
>
> > The new signs said 40 MPH, not 45.
>
> > nate
>
> so exactly what is 5mph???
more like 20, compared to the speed of traffic.
nate
N8N
> On Jul 27, 10:47 am, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 27, 10:10 am, gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com>
> > > Elsewhere it is divided/bordered by short Jersey barriers, which some
> > > might recognize as an obvious hazard.
>
> > um...if you don't consider a Jersey barrier safe, then what is?
>
> Nothing. There is no "safe" in driving. There's more safe and less
> safe, but it's pretty much all dangerous.
There are degrees of dangerousness, and anyone that's driven the SE/SW
and Anacostia freeways knows which one is (significantly) more
dangerous.
>
> > > It has narrow or no shoulders (aka "runoff area"), which some might
> > > recognize as an obvious hazard.
>
> > Not true - they're far wider than the (nonexistent) shoulders on the
> > Anacostia Freeway, which is posted at a higher speed.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?source=ig&hl=en&q=dc&ie=UTF8&ll=38.884085...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ljram2
>
> > > It is bordered in places by stone walls, which some might recognize as
> > > an obvious hazard.
>
> > You're thinking of the B-W Parkway and/or New York Avenue.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?source=ig&hl=en&q=dc&ie=UTF8&ll=38.884085...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/kurw2m
Um, both of your links show the Anacostia Freeway, and it's Armco, not
a stone wall.
>
> > > Then, of course, there's you, one of the many "drivers" for whom there
> > > is rarely a "legitimate" reason to operate just a little more
> > > slowly... for 3 whole miles.
>
> > There isn't. Unless you consider "revenue" a valid reason.
>
> "Revenue" is considered "tuition" among drivers more knowledgeable and
> competent than yourself.
>
> We are not subject to it.
Keep telling yourself that. Or have you never been pulled over by a
cop with an agenda?
>
> > I don't
> > even know that it's kosher to sign an Interstate highway at 40 MPH, at
> > all.
>
> You know less than nothing since so much of what you think you know is
> wrong.
Ever hear of a document called the MUTCD? Didn't think so.
nate
rsh...@gmail.com
> Or just not drive through DC, not patronize any gas stations,
> restaurants, or businesses in DC, and avoid spending money in any way
> that would contribute to the DC tax base. Of course I do that anyway,
> because they've been anti-motorist for years. The only times I
> actually go into DC anymore are a) cutting through on the way to
> Annapolis or b) visiting someone that actually lives in the District.
> I think I'm going to have to cut back on a) and just take the Beltway
> if that's the way they're going to be. It's an obvious revenue setup,
> building an Interstate-quality highway and then signing it as if it
> were a surface street.
>
>
do you actually consider yourself that important to the DC economy
thousands and thousands of govt workers go in and out if DC 5 days a
week
plus thousands of tourists 7 days a week
you know it is funny, your assertion that
"not patronize any gas stations"
my step father owned two gas stations in the District, one of which
was on NY Ave at Bladensburg Rd
my friend I am sure he is laughing very, very hard at your assertion
to be honest, it sounds like you are grasping at very small straws
gpsman
> On Jul 27, 11:17 am, gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 27, 10:47 am, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > um...if you don't consider a Jersey barrier safe, then what is?
>
> > Nothing. There is no "safe" in driving. There's more safe and less
> > safe, but it's pretty much all dangerous.
>
> There are degrees of dangerousness, and anyone that's driven the SE/SW
> and Anacostia freeways knows which one is (significantly) more
> dangerous.
Of course. There's nothing quite like the qualifications a Class D
license bestows.
> > > > It has narrow or no shoulders (aka "runoff area"), which some might
> > > > recognize as an obvious hazard.
>
> > > Not true - they're far wider than the (nonexistent) shoulders on the
> > > Anacostia Freeway, which is posted at a higher speed.
>
> > > > It is bordered in places by stone walls, which some might recognize as
> > > > an obvious hazard.
>
> > > You're thinking of the B-W Parkway and/or New York Avenue.
>
> Um, both of your links show the Anacostia Freeway,
I didn't think you'd notice.
> and it's Armco, not
> a stone wall.
Is there a significant difference?
> > > > Then, of course, there's you, one of the many "drivers" for whom there
> > > > is rarely a "legitimate" reason to operate just a little more
> > > > slowly... for 3 whole miles.
>
> > > There isn't. Unless you consider "revenue" a valid reason.
>
> > "Revenue" is considered "tuition" among drivers more knowledgeable and
> > competent than yourself.
>
> > We are not subject to it.
>
> Keep telling yourself that. Or have you never been pulled over by a
> cop with an agenda?
Doesn't everybody have an agenda?!
> > > I don't
> > > even know that it's kosher to sign an Interstate highway at 40 MPH, at
> > > all.
>
> > You know less than nothing since so much of what you think you know is
> > wrong.
>
> Ever hear of a document called the MUTCD?
Lol. Cite for us what it stipulates about setting interstate highway
speed limits.
> Didn't think so.
That's what I find so satisfying about abusing dimwits on Usenet.
With each subsequent post they invariably write something that further
demonstrates the depths of their ignorance.
Your turn.
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- gpsman
Nate Nagel
> That's what I find so satisfying about abusing dimwits on Usenet.
> With each subsequent post they invariably write something that further
> demonstrates the depths of their ignorance.
Gawd, there's no better way to respond to that than IKYABWAI.
Every post you make just proves that you're a waste of oxygen. There's
really no need to elaborate farther. Haven't you grown sick of being
completely wrong on everything you post yet, to the point where you
don't even try to post anything of substance anymore and have reduced
yourself to simply sniping against people to whom you have taken a
dislike, most likely because deep down inside even you know that they're
so much more intelligent and educated than you could ever hope to be?
Nate Nagel
>> Or just not drive through DC, not patronize any gas stations,
>> restaurants, or businesses in DC, and avoid spending money in any way
>> that would contribute to the DC tax base. Of course I do that anyway,
>> because they've been anti-motorist for years. The only times I
>> actually go into DC anymore are a) cutting through on the way to
>> Annapolis or b) visiting someone that actually lives in the District.
>> I think I'm going to have to cut back on a) and just take the Beltway
>> if that's the way they're going to be. It's an obvious revenue setup,
>> building an Interstate-quality highway and then signing it as if it
>> were a surface street.
>>
>>
>
> do you actually consider yourself that important to the DC economy
>
> thousands and thousands of govt workers go in and out if DC 5 days a
> week
>
> plus thousands of tourists 7 days a week
>
> you know it is funny, your assertion that
>
> "not patronize any gas stations"
>
> my step father owned two gas stations in the District, one of which
> was on NY Ave at Bladensburg Rd
>
> my friend I am sure he is laughing very, very hard at your assertion
>
> to be honest, it sounds like you are grasping at very small straws
>
If all of those commuters realize just how hostile the DC gov't is and
start filling up at home, brown bagging their lunches, etc. what do you
think is going to happen to the economy? Do you think that Metro
revenues are going to make up for it? (oh, wait, they keep telling us
that Metro can only hope to break even and likely won't ever show a
profit.) It's time to try that, just drive the DC gov't into
bankruptcy. And meanwhile, OBEY all those asinine speed limits when you
have to drive in that hellhole, and watch traffic grind to a halt (and
hope you don't get rear-ended.)
There's nothing more schadenfreudy than watching a cop fume as he's
stuck behind a pack of citizens actually obeying some asinine speed limit.
and NY Ave @ Bladensburg is very close to the infamous speed camera, yet
another example of DC's priorities of abusing citizens in the name of
"safety."
When normal, everyday behavior is defined as illegal, we no longer live
in a democracy, no matter how you slice it.
Nate Nagel
gpsman wrote:
> On Jul 27, 12:49 pm, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 27, 11:17 am, gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 27, 10:47 am, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> um...if you don't consider a Jersey barrier safe, then what is?
>>> Nothing. There is no "safe" in driving. There's more safe and less
>>> safe, but it's pretty much all dangerous.
>> There are degrees of dangerousness, and anyone that's driven the SE/SW
>> and Anacostia freeways knows which one is (significantly) more
>> dangerous.
>
> Of course. There's nothing quite like the qualifications a Class D
> license bestows.
>
>>>>> It has narrow or no shoulders (aka "runoff area"), which some might
>>>>> recognize as an obvious hazard.
>>>> Not true - they're far wider than the (nonexistent) shoulders on the
>>>> Anacostia Freeway, which is posted at a higher speed.
>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/ljram2
>>>>> It is bordered in places by stone walls, which some might recognize as
>>>>> an obvious hazard.
>>>> You're thinking of the B-W Parkway and/or New York Avenue.
>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/kurw2m
>> Um, both of your links show the Anacostia Freeway,
>
> I didn't think you'd notice.
I've only lived here on and off for ten years or so...
>
>> and it's Armco, not
>> a stone wall.
>
> Is there a significant difference?
>
Well, yeah, one's made of steel, and one's made of (fake, ASSuming
you're thinking of the B-W parkway) stone.
And the photo you posted was apparently of the south end of the
Anacostia, in the southbound lanes - if you want to see a narrow
shoulder just go a quarter mile or so north of where that photo was
taken, on the northbound side, after it turns into six lanes... there
is literally maybe a foot of "shoulder." I don't think the pavement is
any wider, but they striped another lane in there anyway. And the speed
limit is higher on that stretch of road than an Interstate highway.
Nate Nagel
see here:
http://www.dcroads.net/roads/kenilworth/img10.gif
from:
http://www.dcroads.net/roads/kenilworth/
Speed limit there is 45 MPH. (pavement is currently in somewhat less
good shape than in that pic; I'm guessing that that pic was taken a few
years ago after it was resurfaced, but it's already deteriorated
somewhat, although there is a project going on to improve the bridge
over Burroughs Ave. so I can't accuse DC of completely ignoring needed
improvements.)
compare and contrast with:
speed limit is 40 MPH.
every now and then, did you ever stop to consider that I just might have
a valid point, and am not simply bloviating to hear myself type?
necromancer - ECHM
wrote:
>
>There's nothing more schadenfreudy than watching a cop fume as he's
>stuck behind a pack of citizens actually obeying some asinine speed limit.
Actually I find it quite amusing to piss off a traffic cop by obeying
the law (especially speed limits). That's one of the things I find so
wonderful about a little thing called cruise control...
>and NY Ave @ Bladensburg is very close to the infamous speed camera, yet
>another example of DC's priorities of abusing citizens in the name of
>"safety."
<topic drift>
>When normal, everyday behavior is defined as illegal, we no longer live
>in a democracy, no matter how you slice it.
Since when has the US ever been a true democracy? Most of the wusses
in this nation couldn't handle living in a true democracy and as such
we have been inching our way towards a fascist dictatorship since at
least 1865 or so...
</topic drift>
--
"I love this country...
...and the freedoms we used to have..."
--George Carlin
necromancer - ECHM
<fro...@mississippi.net> wrote:
>Marion's a DC councilmember now...no longer the mayor.
Mayor, councilmember, some of that money has got to be flowing his
way...
>There's two factors at play here:
>
>- DC's underposting of freeway speed limits.
>
>- The preponderence of speed and red light cameras, which IMO isn't
>just as a revenue generator, but also because of an acute lack of
>traffic enforcement by the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) to
>begin with.
Do they even have a police dept or is it one in name only? Seems that
I have heard that the crime rate in DC is fairly high. If they are not
out enforcing traffic laws what are they doing - shaking down donut
shops?
--
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Steve
>
> but I come down in the side of the gpsman
>
Sorry GPStroll, you lose.
Oscar Voss
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Actually, the DC cops have their hands full dealing with a lot of real
crime. That's why they want to have cameras do as much traffic enforcement
as possible.
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Oscar Voss
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> Was on the SE/SW freeway today for the first time in a long time... saw
> some shiny new signs "Speed Limit 40 - Photo Enforced" WTF, over? The
> old speed limit was too low (for those not familiar, this is a six lane
> divided highway with no intersections and no obvious hazards, and actually
> decent concrete pavement) 40 is just insane. Sounds like DC is saying
> "hey, motorists, fuck off."
>
> Funny thing is that the speed limit on the unbelievably awful Anacostia
> Freeway is still 45, now higher than the far superior road.
I didn't see any of the "photo enforced" signs on my way to or from work,
which follows I-395 over part of the Southwest Freeway and the Third Street
Tunnel. I was looking forward to howls of outrage from our congresscritters
and their staffs, many of whom take the same route that I do from Virginia,
when they started getting hit with camera tickets. (Not that I'd count on
no camera enforcement west of the Third Street Tunnel -- I slow down for any
suspicious vehicles on the shoulder that might have a speed camera.)
I did notice that the eastbound work zone at the 9th St. SW bridge rehab
project was posted (with an orange advisory sign) at 45mph. IMO, a
reasonable work zone limit. But once you're past the work zone, you see a
40mph black-on-white speed limit sign. This disparity is simply daffy (like
many other things about DC speed limits); if anything, the speed limit
should be 50mph+ after the work zone.
necromancer - ECHM
<oscar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Actually, the DC cops have their hands full dealing with a lot of real
>crime. That's why they want to have cameras do as much traffic enforcement
>as possible.
Then I have to ask, why the lowered speed limit where the camera(s)
that Nate referenced are going to be (or have been) installed? It
would be one thing to put in cameras to free up cops for other duties
(which would mean having properly set speed limits or yellow light
times - depending on application) and quite another if the cameras are
set up to be a cash cow.
From Nate's description, this sounds more like highway robbery than
highway safety.
--
necromancer - ECHM
Oscar Voss
wrote in message news:apes6518qsqiuprup...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:10:24 -0400, "Oscar Voss"
> <oscar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Actually, the DC cops have their hands full dealing with a lot of real
>>crime. That's why they want to have cameras do as much traffic
>>enforcement
>>as possible.
>
> Then I have to ask, why the lowered speed limit where the camera(s)
> that Nate referenced are going to be (or have been) installed? It
> would be one thing to put in cameras to free up cops for other duties
> (which would mean having properly set speed limits or yellow light
> times - depending on application) and quite another if the cameras are
> set up to be a cash cow.
Just to be clear, the speed limits at issue have been underposted about
forever (I've lived in the DC area almost three decades), long before speed
cameras came along. They aren't being lowered for the money, although I'm
sure the money will discourage the DC government from coming to its senses
on freeway speed limits.
Nate Nagel
Oscar,
this was on the real SE/SW portion, not the 395 north spur. Only saw it
once, but I couldn't believe it - for one thing, the SL used to be
either 45 or 50 - pretty sure it was 50 - and also the new "photo
enforced" sign. At the same time. It sent a message (and no, it wasn't
"slow down," it was "we don't like your kind.")
figrin d'an
>even know that it's kosher to sign an Interstate highway at 40 MPH
I-68 through Cumberland, MD is posted at 40 MPH.
Does anyone know why they didn't build that road to the north of town,
rather than through it?
Nate Nagel
No clue, but now that you point it out, I do remember that area having a
very low speed limit for an Interstate. That said, that involves a long
steep downhill grade with some sharpish curves, exits, etc. so even if
it seems like an asinine idea to build an Interstate that requires such
a low speed limit, it doesn't seem completely silly once you've driven
the road.
nada
> Was on the SE/SW freeway today for the first time in a long time... saw
> some shiny new signs "Speed Limit 40 - Photo Enforced" WTF, over? The
> old speed limit was too low (for those not familiar, this is a six lane
> divided highway with no intersections and no obvious hazards, and
> actually decent concrete pavement) 40 is just insane. Sounds like DC is
> saying "hey, motorists, fuck off."
>
> Funny thing is that the speed limit on the unbelievably awful Anacostia
> Freeway is still 45, now higher than the far superior road.
>
>
DC is not trying to solve the problem. Load carrying capacity would
increase dramatically with higher speed limits. People that have to
commute might actually get home in time for dinner.
A few backwards Politicians and fee grabbers are purposely keeping
limits far too low and placing more cameras to generate revenue.
Speed tickets are not even traffic violations anymore. Call the number
and get a Customer Representative.
The corruption, of the intent, of speed laws, is indicative, of the
downward spiral, of mores, of DC and the Country.
Michael Hale
> No clue, but now that you point it out, I do remember that area having a
> very low speed limit for an Interstate. That said, that involves a long
> steep downhill grade with some sharpish curves, exits, etc. so even if
> it seems like an asinine idea to build an Interstate that requires such
> a low speed limit, it doesn't seem completely silly once you've driven
> the road.
The Cumberland Viaduct predates I-68 by 20 or more years. There was
discussion here on m.t.r several years back about this and the conclusion
was the mountainous terrain to the north and the river to the south made
construction of a bypass to Cumberland not cost effective.
The long downgrade coming into Cumberland from the west is where most of
the problems occur. There is a sharp left turn at the bottom of the
hill. MdDOT has built a large concrete wall which I assume was built to
keep out of control vehicles from ending up in the neighborhood adjacent
to the curve.
gpsman
>
> every now and then, did you ever stop to consider that I just might have
> a valid point, and am not simply bloviating to hear myself type?
That's not a question I would forward soon after citing the MUTCD as a
reference for setting speed limits.
You are obviously ignorant, and obviously too stupid to recognize that
you are obviously ignorant, even after it has been pointed out to you
in simple but certain terms on numerous occasions.
You have no education or training in the subjects you wish to forward
yourself as "knowledgeable".
You have obviously never achieved any semblance of real competence in
any discipline or you would know that the devil is in the details;
it's the "little" things that make the difference/s.
Roadway hazards and limitations which are glaringly obvious to those
more knowledgeable and observant completely escape your detection.
So... no.
-----
- gpsman
Nate Nagel
*facepalm*
you're obviously confused as to which roads I'm even talking about, a
"detail" that's apparently not worth your valuable time to get right
so... your opinion is worth less than what I paid for it.
Oh, FOAD, EABOD, etc. all the usual stuff.
Froggie
> > Oscar Voss wrote:
> >
> > I didn't see any of the "photo enforced" signs on my way to or from
> > work, which follows I-395 over part of the Southwest Freeway and the
> > Third Street Tunnel.
The cameras I'm aware of aren't on the Southwest Fwy. They're on the
outbound Southeast Freeway, one before the split for the 11th St
Bridge, and possibly one after the split, before you get to Barney
Circle.
> this was on the real SE/SW portion, not the 395 north spur. Only saw it
> once, but I couldn't believe it - for one thing, the SL used to be
> either 45 or 50 - pretty sure it was 50 - and also the new "photo
> enforced" sign. At the same time. It sent a message (and no, it wasn't
> "slow down," it was "we don't like your kind.")
Inbound speed limit is 45 until you get around where 395 merges on
from the 3rd St Tunnel, then it goes to 40 until you're in Virginia).
Outbound speed limit is 40, but couldn't tell you what it was
before...
Froggie | Alexandria, VA | http://www.ajfroggie.com/roads/
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> gpsman wrote:
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>
>The long downgrade coming into Cumberland from the west is where most of
>the problems occur.
Nearly every time I drive that road I see trucks with smoking brakes
coming down that hill.
rsh...@gmail.com
umm, no I don't
the sl won't be changed by nagel's bloviating
it will remain, and will be enforced by photo enforcement
I don't live in DC
so now who is losing? not me
also you realize nagel is bloviating to about 15 people inc you who
can do nothing to change the situation except do more bloviating
waiting for your response
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Never seen that. Can imagine it happens with some frequency though
Roscoe Yamamoto
"Nick C" <mast...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> >>The long downgrade coming into Cumberland from the west is where most of
> >>the problems occur.
> >
> > Nearly every time I drive that road I see trucks with smoking brakes
> > coming down that hill.
>
> Never seen that. Can imagine it happens with some frequency though
I used to live there. I can recall smelling burning brakes all the time.
Compounding the situation is a 6 mile downgrade from j34 to J40(Frostburg
to La Vale).
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Too bad I-69 gets no closer to Maryland than where its southern end is at
I-469 northeast of Indianapolis. (You meant I-68, which has those hills
that I plan to permanently avoid.)
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H.B. Elkins
>Too bad I-69 gets no closer to Maryland than where its southern end is at
>I-469 northeast of Indianapolis. (You meant I-68, which has those hills
>that I plan to permanently avoid.)
Why avoid them? I think that is absolutely beautiful country and I always enjoy
driving that route -- except the times I've driven it in winter and it was
snowing in the mountains.
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Michael Hale
> Too bad I-69 gets no closer to Maryland than where its southern end is
> at I-469 northeast of Indianapolis. (You meant I-68, which has those
> hills that I plan to permanently avoid.)
You're absolutely correct. Note to Self: Always read what you are going
to post before clicking on Send...
The Chief Instigator
>On 29 Jul 2009 05:37:03 GMT, The Chief Instigator wrote:
>>Too bad I-69 gets no closer to Maryland than where its southern end is at
>>I-469 northeast of Indianapolis. (You meant I-68, which has those hills
>>that I plan to permanently avoid.)
>Why avoid them? I think that is absolutely beautiful country and I always enjoy
>driving that route -- except the times I've driven it in winter and it was
>snowing in the mountains.
That's why Dale and I head up there in the summer, and the roads are getting
better, save for the ones that can't be easily improved (i.e., KY/VA 160
across Black Mountain, US 421 across Cumberland Mountain or Pine Mountain).
The Chief Instigator
I've had my share of going that way, a time or three.
Nate Nagel
> On 2009-07-29, H.B Elkins <hbel...@mis.net.restrictorplate> wrote:
>> On 29 Jul 2009 05:37:03 GMT, The Chief Instigator wrote:
>
>>> Too bad I-69 gets no closer to Maryland than where its southern end is at
>>> I-469 northeast of Indianapolis. (You meant I-68, which has those hills
>>> that I plan to permanently avoid.)
>
>> Why avoid them? I think that is absolutely beautiful country and I always enjoy
>> driving that route -- except the times I've driven it in winter and it was
>> snowing in the mountains.
>
> That's why Dale and I head up there in the summer, and the roads are getting
> better, save for the ones that can't be easily improved (i.e., KY/VA 160
> across Black Mountain, US 421 across Cumberland Mountain or Pine Mountain).
>
Even when it's snowing, I'd rather do I-68 to I-79 to Pittsburgh rather
than I-70 to I-76 - even if the latter is shorter. Pavement is better
and so is scenery.