Road trip from Ohio to the South, and back (part 1)

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Dennis S. Gulyas

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Well, I'm back (which Im sure is going to get all of your attention. :-)
So after nine days, nine differents states, and 3,000+ miles, I'll try to
give an report of all that I saw.

Day 1. Route traveled - Local roads from home to US 36/SR 37 to I-71 south
through downtown Columbus (and the I-70 multiplex) on through to SR 741
(Kings Island interchange) west through Mason to US 42 south to Tylersville
Rd. west to I-75 south to I-275 then clockwise around the north, east, and
southern end of Cincy to I-71/75. South (and west) along I-71 to
Louisville. South then along I-65 to Western Kentucky Parkway west to I-24
to Paducah Ky.

Items saw this day.... At I-270 and I-71, on south end of Columbus, there
are extra directional signs (from I-71) saying Urbancrest (a dinky suburb
that should be part of Grove City, not Columbus). There are also overhead
route markers on severel bridges along I-71 SB (only) between SR 665 and US
62/SR 3. They are of the old black lettering on white background variety.
There are milage signs for Cleveland (NB) and Louisville (SB) nowhere near
any interchange. Halfway point for I-71? Got a picture of the tenth mile
markers in Cincy (along I-275). Seems like a Kentucky deal (IMHO). Saw
work on US 50F west of I-275 (on east end of town). Is that project back
from the dead? Brown or Simpson, know anything about this? In Kentucky,
how wide does I-65 have to be in Southern Louisville (12 lanes at one
point?), also noted the bridge supports for standard highway bridges look
like blocked figure 8s compared to the standard piller supports one would
see elsewhere. Also for H.B. and Tim, why I-route directional signage
(white on blue) instead of state/US version (black on white) on the
parkways? Stopped for a look see at the TVA, Tennessee River Dam on US 62
near Paducah and in Brookport (to cross the US 45 bridge over the Ohio) as
well.

Day 2. Route traveled - US 62 west to Ky 286 to US 51, 60, and 62 west
(north) to point where the Ohio River meets the Mississippi River (in
Illinois). Then doubled back to Wicklife then south on US 51 to Bardwell and
Ky 123 south to Ky 239 to KY 94 west to the stateline and (thus) TN 78 south
to US 51 to I-40, I-240 (it's entirity) and myriad of streets in downtown
Memphis.

Items saw this day....Didn't make it to Cairo, the point there was enough
for me, also got to Wicklife Mounds and saw that they still charged
admission ($4) and walked back out. You can tell the change from Ky to Tenn
by the different shades of pavement. Ky -- grey/black, Tenn -- the pink
color. Staying on the eastside of Memphis allowed me travel the entire
distance of I-240. Is it considered to be contiguous or stopping at I-40,
for there are no signs saying both I-40 and 240.
Several questions concerning the Memphis freeway system.
What was that spur from I-40 to US 51 on the northside susposed to be?
Is the current route of I-55 the way it was always susposed to be?
Didn't realize that there were stumps (a little more progress than Evel
Kenevel ramps) for the Sam Cooper at I-40 and 240 near downtown. Speaking
of Sam Cooper Blvd. Traveled that and saw that TennDOT put up new signage
along it. The control city for Sam Cooper....Little Rock, Ark. The only
thing missing was the shield and there is room, on all signs, for that. Is
TennDOT playing dumb or is something up here?
On a side note. Highly recomend the Hard Rock Cafe(s). Prices for food
were, surprisingly for me, very reasonable. Big portions all around (so be
careful when it comes to desert)

Day 3. Route traveled -- I-55 south to Miss 4 east to Miss 7 south to
University/Oxford then east on Miss 6 to Miss 41 south to Alt US 45 south to
US 82 east to Columbus.

Items saw this day....This was the day I drove Sam Cooper into downtown.
Picked up I-55 at Crump Blvd. and followed that south. Where is that
divided highway north of Pontotoc (Miss 6 west of there) going? Back to
Miss 6, US 78, or downtown Tupelo (and US 45)?
BTW, ALT US 45 is 4 lanes divided from Okolona to West Point (looks to be
fairly recent) and MissDOT is doing the grading work on expanding US ALT 45
south of US 82 to US 45 (or at least to Artesia).
BTW, loved seeing peoples reactions to my Columbus (Ohio) shirts in Columbus
(Miss).

To be continued on next post...

Dennis S. Gulyas

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We're back again...
Day 4. Route traveled -- US 82 west (from Columbus) to Miss 7 south to US
49W south to US 49 (outside of Yazoo City) south to Miss 433 north to Miss
432 east to I-55 south to Jackson.

Items that I saw....US 82 will be four lanes divided across the whole state
sooner than later, pending on how soon land is acquired between Stewart and
Kilmichael (the only stretch that I didn't see work on widening US 82
between Kilmichael and Starkville. Got a picture in Greenwood of a business
US 82, 49 and Miss 7. Whats to note is the US 82 is yellow lettering on
blue background while the US 49 has a red directional sign above it and the
Miss 7 was green but in the shape of a Tenn. secondary route sign. Very
weird, old, or odd. US 49W is four lanes divided to Silver City now. Got a
speed ticket on Miss 433 (75 in a 55 area), why don't the cops cover the
main routes instead of the hoedink roads <grumble, grumble>. BTW, why all
the curves on I-55 in Jackson between I-20 and 220?

Day 5. Route traveled -- I-55 south to I-10 east to I-310 south to US 90
east to Business US 90 east to LA 23 south to its end point and back to
Business US 90 to I-10 east to downtown New Orleans.
Items of note....Someone remind me to never ask for directions from anyone
at one of those traveler information centers. The ladies at the I-55 (SB)
LA one said to get off I-10 and take I-310 and US 90. Big Mistake!!!
Beware of construction along I-12 between I-55 and LA 43.
From the weird town name files -- Hungarian Settlement (LA 43 just south of
I-12). At least now I know that there are fellow Hungarians other than in
the northeast.
Saw future corridor I-49 signs along US 90 up through the begining of the
West Bank Expressway (Bus. US 90). At the end of LA 23 there is a sign
saying end of Great River Rd. 3.6 miles, but then you come to a
T-intersection and no guidance as to where the River Rd goes. If you go to
the right, at the end of that road is a sign saying you've come to the
furthest point south in Louisiana. I've yet to see a map that correctly
shows the I-10, US 90, and Bus. US 90 interchange in New Orleans.
Sidenote, The hotel I stayed in New Orleans had a good view of each
direction of I-10. :)

Day 6. Route Traveled -- New Orleans sidestreets to LA 48 west to US 61
north to LA 44 west (and north) to I-10 west to LA 73 into downtown Baton
Rouge to Business 61 north to US 61 north to Natchez Trace Parkway (north of
Natchez) back to US 61 north (Port Gibson) to Miss 12 (Hollandale) to Miss 1
to US 82 (Greenville)
Items of note...Alot of rough roads in New Orleans. What is MissDOT doing
to US 61 between Woodville and Sibley? They layed down a new road just to
the left of the old highway and they tear that up. Not only does US 98 end
somewhere, but where does US 65 end as well? Got a picture of a sign
complex for US 84, 98, and 65 just before the Natchez bridge over the
Mississippi (in Miss.), and all three have directional signs (no ends).

Dennis S. Gulyas

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Now we're on the homestretch....

Day 7. Route Traveled -- US 82 east (from Greenville) to US 49W north to
Miss 8 west to Miss 1 south to Scott, Miss. doubled back to Miss 146 east to
US 61 north to Shelby then east across former Miss 32 through Parchman State
Prision (farm) to US 49W north to Tutwiler and US 49 north to Clarksdale and
Stovall Rd west to Miss 1 north to US 49 west to Arkansas and Ark 1 north to
US 79 north to I-40 east to West Memphis.

Item of notes....The reason for me going in circles in Mississippi this day.
This is the area that has the most blues music history (part-in-parcel for
this trip by me). We've mentioned US 20 not being contiguous due to
Yellowstone Park, well I have can talk about two state routes that are not
contiguous due to other *odds-n'ends.* The formentioned Miss 32 is broken
up due to Parchmen State Farm/Prison. For whatever the reason, however, it
is not marked on any of the maps I have, so I was quite surprised to come
upon a checkpoint gate in the *middle-of-nowhere.* The prison guard
stationed at this gate mentioned several items of note (for us).
The dirt road I was on is/was Miss 32, thus they allow through traffic in
the yard. The prision isn't credated, so it goes semi-unoticed. You can get
a pass to drive through the prision, but I do NOT recomend trying so
yourselves. They will ask why you want to drive through, check your car
when entering and leaving, and they probally don't take kindly to having a
bunch of people driving through for the hell of it. I think I got by
because I was by myself, not from around there, and sort of came upon this
site by surprise (again I had no maps saying this was coming).
The other state route I came upon that is broken up is Ark.44 by St. Francis
National forest. Theres a portion that dangles south from Marianna and it
appears again going south from US 49 south of Helena.
Well the real crossroads of blues mythology please step forward. There is
some form of comemerative marker at US 61 and what was US 49 (before the
start of the bypass to the east and south) at the south end of Clarksdale.
Some others believe it to be the T intersection of US 49 and 61 fifteen
miles, or so, north of Clarksdale. I'll let a blues expert talk about this.
"Clarksdalians identify the crossroads as the intersection of highways
61 and 49. Whether this crossroads is really connected with the Robert
Johnson mythology is highly dubious, despite the media hype of recent years.
Both 61 and 49 were located some distance from their present routes in olden
days. The stretch of 61 north of town near the bridge where 49 runs into
Helena has some often-photgraphed highway signs showing 61 and 49 on the
same sign post; this too has been promoted as "the crossroads" despite the
facts that (a) these signs indicate that the two highways are running
concurrently, on the same road, not intersecting, and (b) Highway 49 did not
extend this far north until the bridge was built -- more than two decades
after Johnson's death. By definition, in fact there is NO site at which 61
and 49 fully intersect; the two highways form a "T" when they come together;
they run together on the same road; or, at the Clarksdale intersection 49
turns north rather than completing its course across 61 (across 61, the road
becomes DeSoto Avenue)." From Jim O'Neal, owner of Rooster Blues Records.
Work is almost complete on making US 61 4 lanes divided from Merigold to
Clarksdale. However, the closer you get to Clarksdale, the more work there
needs to be done. Shelby or Duncan looks to be opened by the end of this
year (the road is complete, just needs to be striped, guardrailed, and the
connecting roads to be paved).

Dennis S. Gulyas

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Since Day 7 took longer to talk about than I expected, the last two days
should take this space up only.

Day 8. Route Traveled. I-55 north to New Madrid, Missouri. Continue north
along I-55 to Cape Girardeau (went east on MO 74 to the river), North on
I-55 some more to Fruitland and US 61 north to Crystal City and back to I-55
to I-270 clockwise around the south, west, and north regions of St. Louis.
Also picked up I-70 from the arch west to I-170 north to I-270 as well.

Items of note....Arkansas does not sign anything along with it's I routes.
That caused me to miss an exit off I-55 to US 61 <grumble, grumble>.
Someone want to explain those lettered routes in Missouri. Are those
susposed to be secondary routes (and while we're at it, why have primary and
secondary state routes (Missouri and Tennessee)? What's the purpose or
reasoning behind that?) In downtown St. Louis, got a picture of a freeway
shield with routes 44, 55, 64, and 70 on it. Talk about scrunching and
saving signage (I suspose). Also from downtown. I had to laugh at a plaque
honoring Lewis and Clark on a viewing platform facing the freeway bridge.
Yeah, thats what those two explorers wanted us to see when reading that
<sar>. Who designed the bridges for I-70/55 and I-270 over the Mississippi
should be banished for non-creativity. Someone put some guidewires or even
trusses (even though theres about a hundred truss bridges over the
Mississippi River already) on those suckers to make them presentable,
please. Is MoDOT ever going to make Mo370 I-370 as well?

Day 9 (homeward bound) Route Traveled -- I-270 east to I-70 east to US 40
(east of Indy) east to I-70 (bypass Richmond) to US 40 east to US 68 south
to I-70 east (bypass Springfield) to US 40 east to SR 49 north (detour on US
40) to I-70 east to I-270 clockwise (around the west and north of C-bus) to
US 23 north to Flint Rd. north to S. Old State Rd. north to SR 750 east to
I-71 north to US 36/SR 37 east to N. Galena Rd. north to Kilbourne Rd. east
to Clark Rd. north to home.
Items of note....In Illinois we now have I-255 and Ill.255. I've never seen
as small a town as Effingham produce as much traffic as I did Friday at
lunch hour there. Geesh!
Noticed, this time around, the would be Evel Kenevel ramps at the I-65/70
split on the eastside of Indy (would of gone to present day I-69). I'm also
not as certain (after driving that stretch) about having I-70 6 lanes from
Indy to St. Louis (other than around Effingham with the I-57 multiplex).
Also get a load of the rainbow of bridge colors along I-70 between OH 72 and
US 40 around Springfield. You get a yellow, two reds, and I think a blue,
along with the green-blue normal color bridges.

Thats it! :-)

Jeremy Lance

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"Dennis S. Gulyas" wrote:

> Several questions concerning the Memphis freeway system.
> What was that spur from I-40 to US 51 on the northside susposed to be?

Secret Tennessee 300. It is signed as US 51 from I-40.

>
> On a side note. Highly recomend the Hard Rock Cafe(s). Prices for food
> were, surprisingly for me, very reasonable. Big portions all around (so be
> careful when it comes to desert)

It is a nice place. A bit noisy though. Beale St is interesting all over.


Jeremy Lance

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"Dennis S. Gulyas" wrote:

> Now we're on the homestretch....
>

> US 49 west to Arkansas and Ark 1 north to


> US 79 north to I-40 east to West Memphis.

Is there a big truss bridge on US 79 north (east) of Marianna? I haven't been
that way. I've seen pictures of one, and wondered if it was still there.

>
>
> The other state route I came upon that is broken up is Ark.44 by St. Francis
> National forest. Theres a portion that dangles south from Marianna and it
> appears again going south from US 49 south of Helena.

There are probably a hundred Arkansas state highways that are discontinuous.
Some in more than two places.

Adam Froehlig

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>Is TennDOT playing dumb or is something up here?

Currently, there is no route number for Sam Cooper Blvd.

>Day 3. Route traveled -- I-55 south to Miss 4 east to Miss
>7 south to University/Oxford then east on Miss 6 to Miss 41


>south to Alt US 45 south to US 82 east to Columbus.
>
>Items saw this day....This was the day I drove Sam Cooper
>into downtown. Picked up I-55 at Crump Blvd. and followed
>that south. Where is that divided highway north of Pontotoc
>(Miss 6 west of there) going? Back to Miss 6, US 78, or
>downtown Tupelo (and US 45)?

It will go back to MS 6, follow MS 6 for a few miles, then
run south of and parallel to MS 6 and hook up with US 45
somewhere in south Tupelo or Verona.

>BTW, ALT US 45 is 4 lanes divided from Okolona to West
>Point (looks to be fairly recent) and MissDOT is doing the

It IS recent...the section from MS 245 to MS 8 just opened
up 3 weeks ago. This was the last stretch of Alt US 45 to
be completed north of US 82, and its completion now means
that the US 82 freeway is no longer isolated.

>grading work on expanding US ALT 45 south of US 82 to US 45
>(or at least to Artesia). BTW, loved seeing peoples
>reactions to my Columbus (Ohio) shirts in Columbus (Miss).

Down to Artesia is correct. IIRC, the section between
Artesia and the Lowndes/Noxubee County line will be let to
contract this fall.

>Day 4. Route traveled -- US 82 west (from Columbus) to Miss
>7 south to US 49W south to US 49 (outside of Yazoo City)
>south to Miss 433 north to Miss 432 east to I-55 south to
>Jackson.
>
>Items that I saw....US 82 will be four lanes divided across
>the whole state sooner than later, pending on how soon land
>is acquired between Stewart and Kilmichael (the only
>stretch that I didn't see work on widening US 82 between

That section should be let to contract soon.

>Kilmichael and Starkville. Got a picture in Greenwood of a
>business US 82, 49 and Miss 7. Whats to note is the US 82
>is yellow lettering on blue background while the US 49 has
>a red directional sign above it and the Miss 7 was green
>but in the shape of a Tenn. secondary route sign. Very
>weird, old, or odd.

Old. Very old. Mississippi hasn't used those triangular
route markers in many years.

>US 49W is four lanes divided to Silver City now. Got a
>speed ticket on Miss 433 (75 in a 55 area), why don't the

>cops cover the main routes instead of the hoedink roads .

They do cover the main routes, just more discreetly.

>BTW, why all the curves on I-55 in Jackson between I-20 and
>220?

Mostly due to hills and the Pearl River floodplain.

>Day 5. Route traveled -- I-55 south to I-10 east to I-310
>south to US 90 east to Business US 90 east to LA 23 south
>to its end point and back to Business US 90 to I-10 east to
>downtown New Orleans. Items of note....Someone remind me to
>never ask for directions from anyone at one of those
>traveler information centers. The ladies at the I-55 (SB)
>LA one said to get off I-10 and take I-310 and US 90. Big
>Mistake!!! Beware of construction along I-12 between I-55
>and LA 43. From the weird town name files -- Hungarian
>Settlement (LA 43 just south of I-12). At least now I know
>that there are fellow Hungarians other than in the
>northeast.

Also beware of construction on I-10 in New Orleans proper.

>Saw future corridor I-49 signs along US 90 up through the
>begining of the West Bank Expressway (Bus. US 90). At the

The Future Corridor I-49 signs continue along the West Bank
Expressway. I have a pic of one in Marrero.

>end of LA 23 there is a sign saying end of Great River Rd.
>3.6 miles, but then you come to a T-intersection and no
>guidance as to where the River Rd goes. If you go to the
>right, at the end of that road is a sign saying you've come
>to the furthest point south in Louisiana. I've yet to see a
>map that correctly shows the I-10, US 90, and Bus. US 90
>interchange in New Orleans. Sidenote, The hotel I stayed in
>New Orleans had a good view of each direction of I-10. :)

Did you get on the West Bank Expressway (Bus US 90) at all?
If so, did you notice the exit numbers?

>Day 6. Route Traveled -- New Orleans sidestreets to LA 48

>west to US 61 north to LA 44 west (and north) to I-10 west
>to LA 73 into downtown Baton Rouge to Business 61 north to


>US 61 north to Natchez Trace Parkway (north of Natchez)
>back to US 61 north (Port Gibson) to Miss 12 (Hollandale)
>to Miss 1 to US 82 (Greenville) Items of note...Alot of
>rough roads in New Orleans. What is MissDOT doing to US 61
>between Woodville and Sibley? They layed down a new road
>just to the left of the old highway and they tear that up.

Probably what they've done with other sections....they lay
the new road down, then use that while they rehab the
original lanes.

>Not only does US 98 end somewhere, but where does US 65 end
>as well? Got a picture of a sign complex for US 84, 98, and
>65 just before the Natchez bridge over the Mississippi (in
>Miss.), and all three have directional signs (no ends).

Got the same pics on my webpage now, at
http://www.mississippi.net/~froggie/roadpics/roadpics.html .

Regarding US 65 and US 98, I'll let you know that the
signing is all hosed up. US 65 "officially" ends at US 61,
though it is signed as TO instead of NORTH from US 61, one
signing error. One odd thing, though, is that MDOT
maintains a hidden duplex of US 65 with US 61 down to the
Louisiana border south of Woodville. I inquired with
LaDOTD, and evidentally there is no corresponding hidden
duplex going down to Baton Rouge. So, technically, US 65
ends at the Mississippi/Louisiana line about 8 miles south
of Woodville.

US 98 is even more odd. OFFICIALLY, it ends at the US 84/US
98 interchange near Bude. However, it is still signed along
US 84 going west and is actually signed all the way to the
Mississippi River, although it is NOT signed in Louisiana.
I'm still awating a reply from MDOT on this one.

Regarding your comment about breaks in highway routes, like
MS 32 between Shelby and Parchman, this actually happens a
few times on Mississippi highways, where there's a break in
the route. MS 404 and MS 43 are two that come to mind, and
MS 43 actually has TWO breaks.

Froggie | Meridian, MS | Mississippi highways guru |
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Adam Froehlig wrote:

> It will go back to MS 6, follow MS 6 for a few miles, then
> run south of and parallel to MS 6 and hook up with US 45
> somewhere in south Tupelo or Verona.

US 278...US 278...US 278...US 278...US 278...


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"Dennis S. Gulyas" wrote:
>
> Since Day 7 took longer to talk about than I expected, the last two days
> should take this space up only.
>
> Day 8. Route Traveled. I-55 north to New Madrid, Missouri. Continue north
> along I-55 to Cape Girardeau (went east on MO 74 to the river), North on
> I-55 some more to Fruitland and US 61 north to Crystal City and back to I-55
> to I-270 clockwise around the south, west, and north regions of St. Louis.
> Also picked up I-70 from the arch west to I-170 north to I-270 as well.
>
> Items of note....Arkansas does not sign anything along with it's I routes.
> That caused me to miss an exit off I-55 to US 61 <grumble, grumble>.
> Someone want to explain those lettered routes in Missouri. Are those
> susposed to be secondary routes (and while we're at it, why have primary and
> secondary state routes (Missouri and Tennessee)? What's the purpose or
> reasoning behind that?) In downtown St. Louis, got a picture of a freeway
> shield with routes 44, 55, 64, and 70 on it. Talk about scrunching and
> saving signage (I suspose). Also from downtown. I had to laugh at a plaque
> honoring Lewis and Clark on a viewing platform facing the freeway bridge.
> Yeah, thats what those two explorers wanted us to see when reading that
> <sar>. Who designed the bridges for I-70/55 and I-270 over the Mississippi
> should be banished for non-creativity. Someone put some guidewires or even
> trusses (even though theres about a hundred truss bridges over the
> Mississippi River already) on those suckers to make them presentable,
> please. Is MoDOT ever going to make Mo370 I-370 as well?

first on the non-creativiy part: defienntly the one for I-55/70, but
I-270 is built on some uninhabited islands where nobody can see it
anyway. besides, there is no river traffic there.

i want a photo of that 4-in-1 I-shield. those lettered routes are
secondary routes


>
> Day 9 (homeward bound) Route Traveled -- I-270 east to I-70 east to US 40
> (east of Indy) east to I-70 (bypass Richmond) to US 40 east to US 68 south
> to I-70 east (bypass Springfield) to US 40 east to SR 49 north (detour on US
> 40) to I-70 east to I-270 clockwise (around the west and north of C-bus) to
> US 23 north to Flint Rd. north to S. Old State Rd. north to SR 750 east to
> I-71 north to US 36/SR 37 east to N. Galena Rd. north to Kilbourne Rd. east
> to Clark Rd. north to home.
> Items of note....In Illinois we now have I-255 and Ill.255. I've never seen
> as small a town as Effingham produce as much traffic as I did Friday at
> lunch hour there. Geesh!

duh -- more traffic than the traffic that happens at quitting time :)


> Noticed, this time around, the would be Evel Kenevel ramps at the I-65/70
> split on the eastside of Indy (would of gone to present day I-69). I'm also
> not as certain (after driving that stretch) about having I-70 6 lanes from
> Indy to St. Louis (other than around Effingham with the I-57 multiplex).
> Also get a load of the rainbow of bridge colors along I-70 between OH 72 and
> US 40 around Springfield. You get a yellow, two reds, and I think a blue,
> along with the green-blue normal color bridges.
>
> Thats it! :-)

well, damn it that i had to work :( i get 12 hour shifts the week
before 4th of july (fun, fun, fun, thank F--- Motor Company for that
one) -- i know because i did one yesterday.

no way 70 should be widened from st louis to indy when the only traffic
is those big 18-wheelers

well gotta go for now

harv
http://www.crosswinds.net/~harv77/highways/

Adam Froehlig

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>>It will go back to MS 6, follow MS 6 for a few miles, then
>>run south of and parallel to MS 6 and hook up with US 45
>>somewhere in south Tupelo or Verona.
>
>US 278...US 278...US 278...US 278...US 278...

Indeed. "Officially", US 278 is routed along MS 6 between
Clarksdale and Tupelo. Considering that both also go
through Amory, it's concievably possible that US 278 will
entirely replace MS 6 in the future.

Not exactly a good routing IMHO, though. It involves a bit
of backtracking. What I'd do instead is route US 278 along
MS 8 from Greenwood Springs over to Cleveland. Saves some
mileage and unneeded duplexes that way.

Froggie | Meridian, MS |

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Dennis S. Gulyas wrote:

> Day 5. Route traveled -- I-55 south to I-10 east to I-310 south to US 90
> east to Business US 90 east to LA 23 south to its end point and back to
> Business US 90 to I-10 east to downtown New Orleans.
> Items of note....Someone remind me to never ask for directions from anyone
> at one of those traveler information centers. The ladies at the I-55 (SB)
> LA one said to get off I-10 and take I-310 and US 90. Big Mistake!!!
> Beware of construction along I-12 between I-55 and LA 43.
> From the weird town name files -- Hungarian Settlement (LA 43 just south of
> I-12). At least now I know that there are fellow Hungarians other than in
> the northeast.

Of course, one current pilgrimage spot I notice you overlooked is the first exit
off I-55 across the MI-LA border, Kentwood, which happens to be the hometown of
jail-bait chanteuse of the moment Britney Spears. (Forms a *very* fascinating,
near-exact symmetry with Elvis's Graceland, in a corresponding spot off I-55
across the *MI-TN* border...)


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Dennis S. Gulyas wrote:

> Now we're on the homestretch....
>

> Day 7. Route Traveled -- US 82 east (from Greenville) to US 49W north to
> Miss 8 west to Miss 1 south to Scott, Miss. doubled back to Miss 146 east to
> US 61 north to Shelby then east across former Miss 32 through Parchman State
> Prision (farm) to US 49W north to Tutwiler and US 49 north to Clarksdale and

> Stovall Rd west to Miss 1 north to US 49 west to Arkansas and Ark 1 north to


> US 79 north to I-40 east to West Memphis.
>

> Item of notes....The reason for me going in circles in Mississippi this day.
> This is the area that has the most blues music history (part-in-parcel for
> this trip by me).

Oh, so *that's* why Britney's hometown wasn't on your agenda...;-)


SPUI

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Jeremy Lance wrote in message <3775A121...@hotmail.comBRAH>...


>
>
>"Dennis S. Gulyas" wrote:
>
>> Several questions concerning the Memphis freeway system.
>> What was that spur from I-40 to US 51 on the northside susposed to be?
>
>Secret Tennessee 300. It is signed as US 51 from I-40.


It was to go over the MS River and go back to I-40.

m...@removethistoreply.triskele.com

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Adam Froehlig <fro...@mississippi.net> wrote:
:>Is TennDOT playing dumb or is something up here?

: Currently, there is no route number for Sam Cooper Blvd.

..and there probably never will be. Sam Cooper Blvd. is a
City of Memphis road, not a state highway. There had been discussion
back when the transfer of authority was made to sign it as BR 40
or I-140 (or US 64/70/79), but no dice. The Binghampton neighborhood
had just enough political clout to exercise a little bit of NIMBYism.
Add that to the fact that Tennessee doesn't do Interstate BR's,
and the political ill will that existed between the state and the city
as a result of all the efforts to block I-40 from going through
Overton Park....

Sam Cooper Blvd., IIRC was an unnamed city-controlled expressway for
a couple of years, before it got a name as a part of the Memphis City
Council's decision to name the freeways in the city.

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Adam Froehlig

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>>Secret Tennessee 300. It is signed as US 51 from I-40.
>
>It was to go over the MS River and go back to I-40.

And it may still. There's still talk of putting a third
Interstate bridge over the Mississippi in the Memphis
area. And it certainly needs it, because the two existing
bridges have a combined total of 10 lanes and *NO*
shoulders.

J.P. Kirby

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In article <37765769...@interlog.com>,

ad...@interlog.com wrote:
> Of course, one current pilgrimage spot I notice you overlooked is the
first exit
> off I-55 across the MI-LA border, Kentwood, which happens to be the
hometown of
> jail-bait chanteuse of the moment Britney Spears. (Forms a *very*
fascinating,
> near-exact symmetry with Elvis's Graceland, in a corresponding spot
off I-55
> across the *MI-TN* border...)
>
>

Michigan borders Tennessee and Louisiana?

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J.P. Kirby wrote:

> In article <37765769...@interlog.com>,
> ad...@interlog.com wrote:
> > Of course, one current pilgrimage spot I notice you overlooked is the
> first exit
> > off I-55 across the MI-LA border, Kentwood, which happens to be the
> hometown of
> > jail-bait chanteuse of the moment Britney Spears. (Forms a *very*
> fascinating,
> > near-exact symmetry with Elvis's Graceland, in a corresponding spot
> off I-55
> > across the *MI-TN* border...)
> >
> >
>
> Michigan borders Tennessee and Louisiana?

Rats. Mistook my MI for my MS...


JOHN.SIMPSON

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Dennis S. Gulyas wrote:
>
> Saw
> work on US 50F west of I-275 (on east end of town). Is that project back
> from the dead? Brown or Simpson, know anything about this?
>
My understanding is that the US 50F stub will connect to
Milford Parkway, which intersects US 50 opposite OH 131 in
Milford. As far as I know, there are no plans to revive
the US 50 relocation project. Proposed in the early 1960s,
this plan called for a relocated US 50 which would have
bypassed Milford, Terrace Park, Mariemont, and Fairfax.
Also as far as I know, there are no plans to complete the
I-275/US 50F interchange. It will remain a half-cloverleaf,
with access only to US 50F east from I-275 and to I-275 from
US 50F west.

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Jeremy Lance

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m...@removethistoreply.triskele.com wrote:

>
>
> Sam Cooper Blvd., IIRC was an unnamed city-controlled expressway for
> a couple of years, before it got a name as a part of the Memphis City
> Council's decision to name the freeways in the city.

What was signed on the BGS's?


m...@removethistoreply.triskele.com

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SPUI <d...@moraseski.removeima-net.com> wrote:

:>"Dennis S. Gulyas" wrote:
:>
:>> Several questions concerning the Memphis freeway system.
:>> What was that spur from I-40 to US 51 on the northside susposed to be?

:>
:>Secret Tennessee 300. It is signed as US 51 from I-40.


: It was to go over the MS River and go back to I-40.

Actually, it was supposed to loop back along the riverside, down Mud Island,
and connect to the I-40 / Riverside Drive interchange downtown.

The plans were scrapped due to the expense, due to a desire to keep
the Dewitt-Spain (sp?) airport open at the north end of downtown,
and due to a desire to develop Mud Island.

Adam Froehlig

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>Oh, really!?! There is a white triangle Mississippi route
>sign in Oxford/University (didn't take a picture of it even
>though I passed it 3 times) along the route to Ole' Miss.

Probably an old MS 6 sign, if I'm guessing right. MS 6 used
to go right through town before they built the bypass.

There's also an old triangular MS 15 sign in Biloxi. I've
got a pic of that one on my Highway Pictures site.

Froggie | Meridian, MS |

David Jensen

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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:17:34 -0800, in misc.transport.road
Adam Froehlig <fro...@mississippi.net> wrote in
<9305182...@www.remarq.com>:

>>>Secret Tennessee 300. It is signed as US 51 from I-40.
>>
>>It was to go over the MS River and go back to I-40.
>

>And it may still. There's still talk of putting a third
>Interstate bridge over the Mississippi in the Memphis
>area. And it certainly needs it, because the two existing
>bridges have a combined total of 10 lanes and *NO*
>shoulders.

What's with highways and the lower Mississippi?

The number of river crossings below St. Louis is pitifully small, but
the river in New Orleans doesn't seem to be that hard to bridge. I don't
expect it to be too wide from the Missouri or the Ohio south. I've seen
areas in the upper river that have sloughs that are a mile or more wide.
The causeways and bridges were built in the '20s, even in small towns.

Can anyone explain the lack of crossings in the southern half of the
river. Were ferrys common?


Dennis S. Gulyas

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Jeremy Lance <bu...@hotmail.comBRAH> wrote in message
news:3775A2E9...@hotmail.comBRAH...

>
>
> "Dennis S. Gulyas" wrote:
>
> > US 49 west to Arkansas and Ark 1 north to
> > US 79 north to I-40 east to West Memphis.
>
> Is there a big truss bridge on US 79 north (east) of Marianna? I haven't
been
> that way. I've seen pictures of one, and wondered if it was still there.
>
I don't recall going over truss bridge on US 79. I remember all the truss
bridges over the Mississippi River and state, but not Arkansas.

SJG
bt...@bright.net - home

Dennis S. Gulyas

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Adam Froehlig <fro...@mississippi.net> wrote in message
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> >Is TennDOT playing dumb or is something up here?
>
> Currently, there is no route number for Sam Cooper Blvd.
> Froggie | Meridian, MS | Mississippi highways guru |
> http://www.mississippi.net/~froggie/roads/laudcohi.htm
>
I'm going to do my replies to each of your points, Adam (and the board), on
seperate posts.
Concerning the first one (seen here0.
I realize that there is no route number for Sam Cooper, but you get the
feeling that I-40 signs are going to show up on those signs anyday.
Otherwise, why have Little Rock as the control city on these rehabed signs
instead of someplace in *Metro* Memphis?

Dennis S. Gulyas

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Adam Froehlig <fro...@mississippi.net> wrote in message
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> >Kilmichael and Starkville. Got a picture in Greenwood of a
> >business US 82, 49 and Miss 7. Whats to note is the US 82
> >is yellow lettering on blue background while the US 49 has
> >a red directional sign above it and the Miss 7 was green
> >but in the shape of a Tenn. secondary route sign. Very
> >weird, old, or odd.
>
> Old. Very old. Mississippi hasn't used those triangular
> route markers in many years.
>
Oh, really!?! There is a white triangle Mississippi route sign in
Oxford/University (didn't take a picture of it even though I passed it 3
times) along the route to Ole' Miss.

> Froggie | Meridian, MS | Mississippi highways guru |


> http://www.mississippi.net/~froggie/roads/laudcohi.htm
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Dennis S. Gulyas

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Adam Froehlig <fro...@mississippi.net> wrote in message
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> >Day 5. Route traveled -- I-55 south to I-10 east to I-310
> >south to US 90 east to Business US 90 east to LA 23 south
> >to its end point and back to Business US 90 to I-10 east to
> >downtown New Orleans. Items of note....Someone remind me to
> >never ask for directions from anyone at one of those
> >traveler information centers. The ladies at the I-55 (SB)
> >LA one said to get off I-10 and take I-310 and US 90. Big
> >Mistake!!! Beware of construction along I-12 between I-55
> >and LA 43. From the weird town name files -- Hungarian
> >Settlement (LA 43 just south of I-12). At least now I know
> >that there are fellow Hungarians other than in the
> >northeast.
>
> Also beware of construction on I-10 in New Orleans proper.
>
I missed that. Maybe those ladies aren't as bad as I first thought. Though
I don't remember them saying anything about any road construction in
Louisiana.

> >Saw future corridor I-49 signs along US 90 up through the
> >begining of the West Bank Expressway (Bus. US 90). At the
>
> The Future Corridor I-49 signs continue along the West Bank
> Expressway. I have a pic of one in Marrero.
>
> >end of LA 23 there is a sign saying end of Great River Rd.
> >3.6 miles, but then you come to a T-intersection and no
> >guidance as to where the River Rd goes. If you go to the
> >right, at the end of that road is a sign saying you've come
> >to the furthest point south in Louisiana. I've yet to see a
> >map that correctly shows the I-10, US 90, and Bus. US 90
> >interchange in New Orleans. Sidenote, The hotel I stayed in
> >New Orleans had a good view of each direction of I-10. :)
>
> Did you get on the West Bank Expressway (Bus US 90) at all?
> If so, did you notice the exit numbers?
I screwed up on the west end and ended up going through the tunnel. I did
drive on the Westbank from LA 23 over the Mississippi to I-10. I didn't see
any I-49 signs here, and no I didn't pay attention to the exit numbers
(maybe I'll get lucky with the pictures and see something I didn't catch the
first time).

> Froggie | Meridian, MS | Mississippi highways guru |
> http://www.mississippi.net/~froggie/roads/laudcohi.htm

SJG
bt...@bright.net


Dennis S. Gulyas

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<ad...@interlog.com> wrote in message news:377657F0...@interlog.com...

> Dennis S. Gulyas wrote:
>
> > Now we're on the homestretch....
> >
> > Day 7. Route Traveled -- US 82 east (from Greenville) to US 49W north
to
> > Miss 8 west to Miss 1 south to Scott, Miss. doubled back to Miss 146
east to
> > US 61 north to Shelby then east across former Miss 32 through Parchman
State
> > Prision (farm) to US 49W north to Tutwiler and US 49 north to Clarksdale
and
> > Stovall Rd west to Miss 1 north to US 49 west to Arkansas and Ark 1

north to
> > US 79 north to I-40 east to West Memphis.
> >
> > Item of notes....The reason for me going in circles in Mississippi this
day.
> > This is the area that has the most blues music history (part-in-parcel
for
> > this trip by me).
>
> Oh, so *that's* why Britney's hometown wasn't on your agenda...;-)
Who is she? ;-) (BTW, next time I hear her sing will be the first time)
And Graceland, in Memphis, for that matter (though I do agree that early
Elvis was a blues musician).

Dennis S. Gulyas

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JOHN.SIMPSON <JOHN.S...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3776C9...@prodigy.net...
Maybe the loops from I-275 Counter clockwise to/from US 50F aren't built,
but it looked like the ramps from I-275 clockwise to/from US 50F were built.

> --
> John Simpson -- Cincinnati, OH
> John.S...@prodigy.net

SJG
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Dennis S. Gulyas

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Adam Froehlig <fro...@mississippi.net> wrote in message
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> >Oh, really!?! There is a white triangle Mississippi route
> >sign in Oxford/University (didn't take a picture of it even
> >though I passed it 3 times) along the route to Ole' Miss.
>
> Probably an old MS 6 sign, if I'm guessing right. MS 6 used
> to go right through town before they built the bypass.
>
I believe the route to have been a single digit. Lack of sleep is making my
mind foggy at the moment.

> There's also an old triangular MS 15 sign in Biloxi. I've
> got a pic of that one on my Highway Pictures site.
>
> Froggie | Meridian, MS |
> http://www.mississippi.net/~froggie/roads/laudcohi.htm

SJG
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John Lansford

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dje...@madison.tds.net (David Jensen) wrote:


>What's with highways and the lower Mississippi?
>
>The number of river crossings below St. Louis is pitifully small, but
>the river in New Orleans doesn't seem to be that hard to bridge. I don't
>expect it to be too wide from the Missouri or the Ohio south. I've seen
>areas in the upper river that have sloughs that are a mile or more wide.
>The causeways and bridges were built in the '20s, even in small towns.
>
>Can anyone explain the lack of crossings in the southern half of the
>river. Were ferrys common?

No, the Mississippi just wasn't crossed. That river has an incredibly
wide floodplain south of St. Louis, and the floodway itself is very
wide as well, typically a mile or more. Construction of a structure
across the river has to concern itself with crossing the floodplain as
well as the river, and then there are concerns about navigable traffic
in the river.

So it's costs, environmental impacts, and finally, no real pressing
need to build another crossing.

John Lansford, PE

The unofficial I-26 Construction Webpage:
http://users.vnet.net/lansford/a10/

ad...@interlog.com

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John Lansford wrote:

And not only is the floodplain *wide*, but bedrock is *deep*, sometimes
prohibitively so. So to build a major span that'll, well, "stand up" (using
measures to compensate for the prohibitively deep bedrock) is, well, an
"effort"...


Bradley Torr

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Dennis S. Gulyas <bt...@bright.net> wrote in article
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> <ad...@interlog.com> wrote in message
news:377657F0...@interlog.com...

> > Oh, so *that's* why Britney's hometown wasn't on your agenda...;-)

> Who is she? ;-) (BTW, next time I hear her sing will be the first time)

Oh baby baby, how was I supposed to know....... blah
Britney Speares, the latest teen singing 'sensation' *cough* *splutter*
who, by virtue of being a Mousketeer earlier this decade, found herself
being promoted as the next Mariah Carey / Shania Twain / crappy songstress
from North America, and whose wishy-washy semi-recycled musical material is
being played repetitively by radio stations who should know better.

Oh, and she comes from Louisiana, somewhere around Shreveport. Oh, and even
though she's only 17, she's already had a boobjob done. Go figure.

Death to crappy pop!
Bradley.


H.B. Elkins

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"Dennis S. Gulyas" <bt...@bright.net> wrote:

> Also for H.B. and Tim, why I-route directional signage
>(white on blue) instead of state/US version (black on white) on the
>parkways?

The directional plates match the color of the parkway logo signs. WK,
BG, Purchase, Cumberland -- interstate blue. Mountain Parkway -- dark
green. Pennyrile -- a lighter shade of green than the Mountain
Parkway. Natcher -- purplish-blue. Daniel Boone -- brown. Audubon --
baby poop yellow. ;-)

The arrow plates used under these signs at intersecting routes are
also in the matching colors.

Makes for a nicer-looking sign assembly, if you ask me.
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"H.B. Elkins" wrote:

> The directional plates match the color of the parkway logo signs. WK,
> BG, Purchase, Cumberland -- interstate blue. Mountain Parkway -- dark
> green. Pennyrile -- a lighter shade of green than the Mountain
> Parkway. Natcher -- purplish-blue. Daniel Boone -- brown. Audubon --
> baby poop yellow. ;-)
>
> The arrow plates used under these signs at intersecting routes are
> also in the matching colors.
>
> Makes for a nicer-looking sign assembly, if you ask me.

Florida's colored US route signs all matched the shield, which has left some intresting
combinations since Florida officially stopped making them in 1993.
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Bradley Torr wrote:

No, actually, she's from Kentwood. Which, as I've said, is symmetric with
Graceland at each end of I-55 "outside the Mississippi border"...


Bradley Torr

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ad...@interlog.com wrote in article <3778036B...@interlog.com>...

> Bradley Torr wrote:

> > Oh, and she comes from Louisiana, somewhere around Shreveport. Oh, and
even
> > though she's only 17, she's already had a boobjob done. Go figure.
>
> No, actually, she's from Kentwood. Which, as I've said, is symmetric
with
> Graceland at each end of I-55 "outside the Mississippi border"...

Oops sorry. A report in a newspaper here in Sydney said she was from
"northern Louisiana", which I took to mean the Shreveport area. Kentwood is
also "northern Louisiana" in the sense that it's north of New Orleans. :-)

Regards,
Bradley.


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