Most toll roads in a city
Dr. SPUI
toll roads divided by lane-miles of free freeways. Orlando comes to about
563.8/362.2=1.56 (137.2/67.4=2.04 for normal miles), probably the most. I
even counted toll-free portions of FL 528 as free roads and the freeways in
the mouse house. Once the western beltway and the greeneway are finished it
will be even more.
Florida would probably win as a state too, except maybe Delaware when DE 1
is done.
If I hadn't said US it would probably be Mexico City or somewhere else in
Mexico with a ratio of infinity.
note: by city I mean metro area. None of the semantics about what city
means. I used Orange and Seminole Counties, and Osceola County except for
FLTP south of US 192.
--
Daniel Moraseski
from Orlando, newly proclaimed toll capital of the US (and surprisingly, the
toll road agency isn't corrupt!)
Christopher Blaney
>Florida would probably win as a state too, except maybe Delaware when DE 1
>is done.
Let's compare Delaware to NJ, rough guesstimates:
Delaware:
Freeways: I-95 (MP 23-MP 12), I-495 (MP 0 - MP 13), I-295 (MP 0-2), for 27
miles.
Tollways: I-95 (MP 12-0), Delaware 1 (KM 145-95, when complete), for 42
miles.
Straight Ratio: 42/27 (1.556). Someone else can supply the lane-mile ratio.
New Jersey
Freeways (of Interstate quality):
I-80, 67.4 miles
Real I-95, 5 miles (from Leonia to GWB).
I-295 (including pseudo I-95), 76 miles.
I-78, 57 miles.
I-287, 67.5 miles.
I-195, 35 miles.
I-676, 4.5 miles
I-278, 1 mile
I-76, 2 miles.
US 202, 5.5 miles (New Hope to Flemington)
NJ 15, 7 miles (MP 6-13)
NJ 18, 24 miles (MP 30 - MP 6)
NJ 24, 11 miles (MP 0 - MP 11, East section)
NJ 55, 41 miles (MP 60 - MP 19)
NJ 440, 4.5 miles (from NJ Turnpike to Outerbrige Xing)
NJ 90, 3 miles (from Betsy Ross Bridge)
Total of 411.4 miles.
Tollways:
NJ Turnpike Mainline: 118.5 miles
NJ Turnpike Western Spur: 12 miles
NJ TP Newark Bay Ext. 5 miles
NJ TP-PA TP Connector: 6 miles
Garden State Parkway: 172.2 miles
Atlantic City Expressway: 44 miles
Total of 357.7 miles
The ratio is, thus: 357.7/411.4 (0.869), meaning that Delaware has 2x the
toll roads of NJ, roughly speaking.
Lane-miles not counted but those would probably throw off my numbers
somewhat. NJ Turnpike is 12 lanes from MP 85-118 (counting E&W spurs as one
road) and the GS Parkway can get as wide as 14 narrow lanes (10') in spots.
Chris Blaney
David J. Greenberger
Christopher Blaney <chan...@goes.com> wrote:
>New Jersey
>
>Freeways (of Interstate quality):
Hey, if you count the Garden State Parkway, you've gotta count the
Palisades as well. Granted, it's only ten miles.
And what about toll crossings into other states? They're not in New
Jersey itself, but they have to get counted somewhere.
--
David J. Greenberger
Department of Computer Science, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
<URL:http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/grenbrgr/>
Christopher Blaney
>Hey, if you count the Garden State Parkway, you've gotta count the
>Palisades as well. Granted, it's only ten miles.
Mea culpa. I also forgot to include I-280's 17 miles, so that adds at least
27 miles to the free equation. 411.4+27=438.4 miles.
I *do not* count the "expressway" or multi-lane divided arterial grade
roads such as NJ 3, NJ 4, NJ 208, US 1, US 9, US 202/206, NJ 21 (between
Exits 4 and 11) or NJ 18 (between MP 30 and MP 41). I suppose I could count
NJ 18's northernmost point between MP 41 and the John Lynch Sr. Bridge,
about 3 miles. (Frank Curcio, are you there? I assume that the Lynch Bridge
is named for State Sen. John Lynch's father, who was also a state senator? I
believe that is or was one of the Lynch's districts.) Route 18 is supposed
to be extended northward another 3 or 4 miles to meet I-287, and that would
have to be added, as well. The funding is in place for the NJ 31 freeway
bypass of Flemington, which is about 6 more miles. But these things won't
happen for another 5-10 years at the earliest.
>And what about toll crossings into other states? They're not in New
>Jersey itself, but they have to get counted somewhere.
OK, let's count those toll crossings. I know for a fact that the NJ Turnpike
authority over the I-95 approach road in NJ ends at least 3/4 mile before
the bridge, where Port Authority authority begins (how's that for
redundancy)? That and the about 3/8 mile that the GWB is in New Jersey adds
over a mile to the toll equation. Other toll bridges, going anticlockwise
from High Point:
US 206. About 1.5 miles of US 206 is in the Delaware River Joint Toll Bridge
Authority's jurisdiction, 1 mile of that in NJ. Toll is 25c each way.
Dingman's Ferry. Private bridge, by Royal Charter predating Independence (of
course)! About 1/2 mile to add, I suppose. Toll 25c each way.
I-80. I don't know where the DRJTBA's authority begins here. Assume it's
about 1 mile. SUBTRACT one mile from the free number (since I erroneously
counted all 67.4 miles of I-80 as being "free") and add one mile to the toll
number. Toll $1 westbound only.
US 46/PA 611. Columbia-Portland Bridge. About 1/2 mile to add, I guess. Toll
$1 westbound only.
US 22, Easton bridge. Add about 1 mile of toll jurisdiction, I should say.
Toll 50c westbound only.
I-78. Add about 1/2 mile. Toll 50c westbound only.
US 202. Add 3/4 mile toll jurisdiction. Toll 25c each way.
Fake I-95. Scudders Falls Bridge. O&O by DRJTBA. Free! Should this be added
to the toll number because it's in the jurisdiction of a toll authority? If
so add about 3/4 mile.
US 1. Trenton-Morrisville Bridge. Add about 1/2 mile, I suppose. I don't
know what the toll is. 50c each way?
The bridges of the Burlington County Bridge Commission.
The Delaware Port Authority Bridges.
The Del Mem Br.
The bridges down in Cape May and Atlantic Counties.
The Hudson River crossings.
Let's say we add another 10-20 miles to the toll equation when all is said
and done.
Chris Blaney
JJKITSKO
>is done.
Don't forget Pennsylvania with the "grand-father" of the superhighway the
Pennsylvania Turnpike. Plus its "offspring": The Northeast Extension, Toll 60,
and PA TPK 66. Those are just the completed sections, Toll 43 is still
underconstruction and the Southern Beltway is in the design phase. So for
>What city in the US has the most toll roads?< that distinction could go to
Pittsburgh in the near future.
Jeff Kitsko
PA Highways: http://members.aol.com/jjkitsko/PAHIGHWAYS.html
Dr. SPUI
However, I forgot Dover, DE which currently has infinity and even with the
Puncheon Run Connector still will be around 3 or 4.
--
Daniel Moraseski
from Orlando
JJKITSKO wrote in message
<199807170440...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
MaryKDan
immediately came to mind. I think you're right.
- Dan Stober
West Jordan, Utah
FranCurcio
writes:
>and the John Lynch Sr. Bridge,
>about 3 miles. (Frank Curcio, are you there? I assume that the Lynch Bridge
>is named for State Sen. John Lynch's father, who was also a state senator?
Yes, NJ *loves* to name bridges. The best bridge name? IMO, the free
bridge between Phillipsburg and Easton. Its name: The Free Bridge!
In article <6oloc1$j1t$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, gren...@cs.uiuc.edu (David J.
Greenberger) writes:
>
>Hey, if you count the Garden State Parkway, you've gotta count the
>Palisades as well. Granted, it's only ten miles.
>
>
Count the Palisades as what? A free road or a toll road? Or, perhaps, as a
road authorized as a toll road but built and operated as a free road.
Chris, great analysis of NJ's toll and free expressways!
Regards,
Frank
H.B. Elkins
>Florida would probably win as a state too, except maybe Delaware when DE 1
>is done.
At one time, Kentucky had 10 toll roads. The Kentucky Turnpike and
Mountain, Western Kentucky, Blue Grass, Daniel Boone, Cumberland,
Green River (now Natcher), Audubon, Pennyrile and Purchase parkways.
Now only the DB, Cumberland, Green River and Audubon are toll
highways. I recently received the schedule for removing the tolls from
the Division of Toll Facilities and will post that info when I get
around to it.
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