There used to be a great many of them, when owned by Mariott. But
then almost all of them were sold and made into something else,
often a Boston Market (though they're contracting as well).
But a few remain in isolated places, such as the Tpk.
Is Mariott still even in the food business? They used to have such
high standards for modest restaurants (where they started), but it
seems they don't care anymore. Does the family still run the company?
(Interesting book about the founder, dirt poor, very hard working
whole life, recognized the automobile age early and built restaurants
and later motels to serve the auto early on.)
I know that a Manhattan franchisee has the NYC area somewhat filled with Roy
Rogers (though not to the extent that the reigon once was), keeping the chain
alive.
As for Boston Market, it's owned by McDonald's now.
>
>Is Mariott still even in the food business? They used to have such
>high standards for modest restaurants (where they started), but it
>seems they don't care anymore. Does the family still run the company?
I don't think they've owned RR for a while - I remmeber that Hardee's bought
it, which ruined RR; Hardee's is now the Eastern version of Carl's Jr. due to a
merger with Carl Karcher Enterprises.
Chris
=============
Anything is better than nothing.
Sometime in the late 1980's, a new firm -- Host Marriott -- was spun off
from the parent Marriott to run restaurant, catering and food service
operations. Host Marriott still runs most of the turnpike service areas.
Sound familiar? Howard Johnson's also ran the turnpike service areas,
but they were purchased by a British firm in 1980. Not long thereafter,
the firm kept the hotels and spun off the restaurant operations. By the
early-to-mid 1980's, Howard Johnson's "28 Flavors" were in rapid
decline.
Now it appears that Host Marriott itself may be in decline, since they
recently lost the contract for the Massachusetts Turnpike.
-- Steve Anderson
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> neither Lisa nor Jeff wrote:
>
> > Is Mariott still even in the food business? They used to have such
> > high standards for modest restaurants (where they started), but it
> > seems they don't care anymore. Does the family still run the company?
> >
> > (Interesting book about the founder, dirt poor, very hard working
> > whole life, recognized the automobile age early and built restaurants
> > and later motels to serve the auto early on.)
>
> Sometime in the late 1980's, a new firm -- Host Marriott -- was spun off
> from the parent Marriott to run restaurant, catering and food service
> operations. Host Marriott still runs most of the turnpike service areas.
It looks like, these days, Host Marriott is Marriott's real estate
company, and HMS Host is a totally separate company, 100% owned by an
Italian firm, that runs the airport and toll road concessions. Then
there's Sodexho Marriott, which runs the catering and food service
business. Very confusing.
--
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<http://trainman1.home.mindspring.com/> is worth a thousand words.
"Who cares what the network thinks...?"
I remember them being on the NJ Tpk, and on the WV Tpk. All the service
areas (and I believe the Beckley one too) have Roy Rodgers. I don't know for
sure about Beckley, since when we got there this summer, all but TCBY and a
pizza place was closed for renovations... Roy Roders is the best!
The Beckley Area was recently re-done. It now is Tudor's Biscuit World
(local to WV, pretty much is what it sound like, and owned by a State
Senator), Sabaro's, Starbucks (the only 2 Starbuck's in the state, AFAIK are
this one and one in the Marshall U. dorm, whose food service is also run by
Host Mariott) and Burger King. They also added a dedicated truck fueling
and repair center. The other 2 area remain Roy Rogers' and TCBY.
SP Cook
Other 2? There is the Montgomery Service Area (Near exit 74) for NB and SB
travelers, the Beckley Service Area (Exit 41 I think) which is for NB and SB
travels and includes the Taramack (which is cool), and the Camp Creek
Service Area (near Exit 20).
The middle one (Exit 45) is the Beckley Area, which includes Tamarack, and
is the only one accessible from both directions (and since I-77 and 64 are
combined at that point, you could say it is the only such area accessible
from all 4 directions). It is also accessible from SR 3, if you know the
back roads.
The southern-most area is called "Bluestone Area" and is again northbound
only. There is a parallel no services parking and overlook southbound.
The Welcome Center that is part of Exit 9 has vending and operated by the
Turnpike.
So I guess it matters how you count it up.
A little turnpike history: Of course, the road used to be a super 2 and you
just crossed traffic from a center turn lane to these area if you were going
the wrong way. Dangerous as heck. Original vendors were all called "The
Glass House". Later Howard Johnson's. Gas has been Esso, Exxon, Gulf,
Chevron, and now back to Exxon.
When they rebuilt the road in the 80s they just kept the areas on those
sides and didn't build cross-overs. The parking area on the SB side at
Bluestone was to be another rest area, but Princeton (Exit 9) area merchants
had that killed.
SP Cook
I couldnt exactly think of the name, as there are not thatm any cities
located nearby. It's marked as 'S' for service area (probably cause of
hotdogs) for SB in that area. Why not make this a full service area? It's
always crowded and backed up to the interstate when I come thru.
> The middle one (Exit 45) is the Beckley Area, which includes Tamarack, and
> is the only one accessible from both directions (and since I-77 and 64 are
> combined at that point, you could say it is the only such area accessible
> from all 4 directions). It is also accessible from SR 3, if you know the
> back roads.
Theres a small BGS pointing to SR 3 I think now near the Tamarack.
> The southern-most area is called "Bluestone Area" and is again northbound
> only. There is a parallel no services parking and overlook southbound.
Oops, I must be going blind. There is no 'S' for southbound.
> The Welcome Center that is part of Exit 9 has vending and operated by the
> Turnpike.
It's marked as 'I' for information.
> A little turnpike history: Of course, the road used to be a super 2 and
you
> just crossed traffic from a center turn lane to these area if you were
going
> the wrong way. Dangerous as heck. Original vendors were all called "The
> Glass House". Later Howard Johnson's. Gas has been Esso, Exxon, Gulf,
> Chevron, and now back to Exxon.
>
> When they rebuilt the road in the 80s they just kept the areas on those
> sides and didn't build cross-overs. The parking area on the SB side at
> Bluestone was to be another rest area, but Princeton (Exit 9) area
merchants
> had that killed.
Sort of like crossing the lanes to reach the exit on the mountain parkway...
What's odd is that the Beckley Service Area is marked as a Service Area, but
not filled in with yellow. That means it has no facilities! It should also
be placed on both sides, instead of SB, as it can be reached by both sides
now.
It shows the bluefield service area NB as not filled w/ yellow, no
facilities! It doesn't show anything for SB.
What's even more confusing is that here in SW Ohio, Frisch's owns about
20 Golden Corral restaurants (and is building a GC near the Dayton
Mall!). It's like saying McDonald's owns 20 Wendy's restaurants!!!
neither Lisa nor Jeff wrote:
>
> What company owns the rights to the Roy Rogers fast food places
> that remain on the Tpk?
>
> There used to be a great many of them, when owned by Mariott. But
> then almost all of them were sold and made into something else,
> often a Boston Market (though they're contracting as well).
> But a few remain in isolated places, such as the Tpk.
Here is the only Roy Rogers restaurant website I have located:
<http://www.plamondonroyrogers.com/>. It is a franchisee with locations
in western Maryland and Virginia.
There is a www.royrogers.com site out there, but it has more to do with
the singing cowboy. Happy Trails! :^)
I KNOW there's a website for the New York City franchiser of RR, but I just
can't find it! I had it 2 years ago (it was on a receipt at the RR on Broadway
somewhere, near the David Letterman studio) but I lost it.
Yes.
What happened was this: Marriott Corp. built a bunch of hotels from the
mid-1980s to the mid-1990s, borrowing money along the way to do so, all
the while running both the hotels it built and/or owned and the
free-standing restaurant chains it owned. (One of those hotels, FWIW,
is the one attached to the Pennsylvania Convention Center here in
Philly, our effort to recycle the old Reading Terminal.)
Of course, this debt depressed Marriott's stock price to the point where
it seemed to management that its performance as an operator of hotels
was being undervalued. So Marriott split itself in two: Marriott
International got to run the hotels, while Host Marriott got to pay off
the debt incurred to build them -- and the less-proiftable (ISTR) chain
restaurant business as well.
As for Sodexho Marriott, I don't know how that sprang up.
--Sandy "Marriott's hotel restaurants still turn out good quality food,
but they serve too much of it" Smith
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J. Williard M. would be rolling in his grave. He hated the idea
of going that much into debt for the very reason.
> Jim Ellwanger wrote:
>
> > It looks like, these days, Host Marriott is Marriott's real estate
> > company, and HMS Host is a totally separate company, 100% owned by an
> > Italian firm, that runs the airport and toll road concessions. Then
> > there's Sodexho Marriott, which runs the catering and food service
> > business. Very confusing.
>
> Yes.
>
> What happened was this: Marriott Corp. built a bunch of hotels from the
> mid-1980s to the mid-1990s, borrowing money along the way to do so, all
> the while running both the hotels it built and/or owned and the
> free-standing restaurant chains it owned. (One of those hotels, FWIW,
> is the one attached to the Pennsylvania Convention Center here in
> Philly, our effort to recycle the old Reading Terminal.)
>
> Of course, this debt depressed Marriott's stock price to the point where
> it seemed to management that its performance as an operator of hotels
> was being undervalued. So Marriott split itself in two: Marriott
> International got to run the hotels, while Host Marriott got to pay off
> the debt incurred to build them -- and the less-proiftable (ISTR) chain
> restaurant business as well.
>
> As for Sodexho Marriott, I don't know how that sprang up.
Here you go: <http://www.sodexhomarriott.com/swen/press/pr032798.html>
--
Jim Ellwanger <trai...@mindspring.com>
<http://trainman1.home.mindspring.com/>, for those who think big.
"All babies hate to see a great journalist mortally wounded
by a wrecking ball."
Two comments:
(1) Host Marriott was purchased by an Italian firm recently,
according to an article I saw in the _Wall_ _Street_ _Journal_.
I don't know if that has anything to do with the decline of
Host Marriott or not.
(2) Most Roy Rogers in the Washington D.C., Maryland and Virginia
area where purchased by McDonald's, and converted into same.
However, there were some outlets that were franchised, and have
survived. I have even seen a few _new_ Roy Rogers in the
Frederick, Maryland area.
In spite of efforts to kill-off the chain, it apparently has
massive name recognition (at least in this geographic area),
and the restaurants have proven viable. Getting back to
toll roads, the last time I stopped at the Maryland House
service plaza on the JFK Highway, there was (still) a massive
RR in business there.
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Before you buy.
Mariott is now HMS Host, which does have Roy Rogers in the list of
Restaurants that it does offer in it's service areas. There are Roy Rogers
at Charlton (EASTBOUND ONLY) and Ludlow on the Mass Pike, and a few RR's on
the NY Thruway, all operated by HMS Host. McDonalds Corp. operates all
Service Areas that feature a McDonalds in it (that's why a McDonalds Service
Area may have less services than a HMS Host one)
> Mariott is now HMS Host, which does have Roy Rogers in the list of
> Restaurants that it does offer in it's service areas. There are Roy Rogers
> at Charlton (EASTBOUND ONLY) and Ludlow on the Mass Pike,
Charlton eastbound burned down a few years ago and still have not
been rebuilt. All of the food concessions are in temporary structures.
--
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http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/
FWIW, I think it's a tragedy the Mass Pike is going full McDonald's.
What a gyp. I was oozing glee after discovering the Roy's in Ludlow
Wednesday. I stopped in even though I wasn't hungry. You just can't
argue with free fixin's.
Now if they'd only bring back the Double-R-Bar Burger...
In article <rnewman-2711...@ppp39-239.thecia.net>,
I lament the decline of Roy's, still the most quirky and interesting of
major burger chains in the northeast. I am still challenged by the
possibilities for impromptu recipes with solely the fixins bar to work
with.
In article <8vi87g$1...@netaxs.com>,
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com (neither Lisa nor Jeff) wrote:
> What company owns the rights to the Roy Rogers fast food places
> that remain on the Tpk?
>
> There used to be a great many of them, when owned by Mariott. But
> then almost all of them were sold and made into something else...
> In article <3A1F5A6C...@pobox.upenn.edu>, Sandy Smith
> <smi...@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > As for Sodexho Marriott, I don't know how that sprang up.
>
> Here you go: <http://www.sodexhomarriott.com/swen/press/pr032798.html>
Thanks.
From there, I decided to see what Host Marriott was doing and went to their
Web site, www.hostmarriott.com.
I see they're now strictly a hotel real estate investment trust (which I
guess means they still have the debt of the old Marriott Corp., but I'm not
exactly sure; I see that a company called Crestline Capital was spun off
from Host Marriott and got title to Host Marriott's senior-living
facilities and leases or subleases to HM's hotel properties, which are no
longer entirely operated by Marriott International, BTW).
Meanwhile, the turnpike/airport/sports facility concession business was
spun off into another company called Host Marriott Services (no Web site
that I've found yet). I guess this company would also oversee the
franchised restaurants that still operate under the Roy Rogers name in New
York and wherever else that is.
Unless they're considered part of the "management services business" (i.e.,
contract food service), in which case they'd be overseen by Sodexho
Marriott.
Is everything perfectly clear now?
--Sandy, fascinated by being able to (semi-)clearly trace corporate mitosis
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> Roy Rogers restaurants are all Franchises now. Marriott started the
> Restaurant in 1968 and sold it to Hardees in 1990, when Hardees bought
> it it had close to 600 locations. Hardees converted most to their
> concept, until people began protesting, causing Hardees to reconvert
> them all back to Roy Rogers by 1992-93. In 1995 Hardees needed to
> focus on the Hardees brand so they decided to sell off all Company
> Owned Roy Rogers. The New York Area Company owned RR were sold to
> Wendys, The Philadelphia Area Roy Rogers were sold To Boston Chicken,
> and the Baltimore/Washington Company Roy Rogers were sold to
> McDonalds. This had no effect on the individual Franchisers...Only
> Company owned restaurants. Thats why there are still Roy Rogers left.
> Hardees Has promised to honor the Franchise agreement to Roy Rogers
> until at least 2020. Even the turnpike locations are operated as a
> Franchise between Hardees and HMS Host.
And of course that lasted until 1997 when Hardees was acquired by CKE
Restaurants, operators of Carl's Jr. and Taco Bueno. They didn't all
change back to Roy's; I know of at least one Hardees (in Martinsburg,
WV, on the north end of town on WV 9) that was a Roy's and is now still
a Hardees. That is probably a Plamondon franchise outlet though. I
believe ol Pete & co franchise both Hardees and Roy's still, though I
can find no evidence that that unit (and I'm thinking also the one in
Hancock, MD, which I believe was a Roy's for a short time, though it
started life and currently lives as Hardees) belongs to Plamondon. The
mentioned web sites are only about Roy's, and I can't find a general
site.
HMS, though, if you're still looking, is at hmshost.com or hmscorp.com
Lots of location and brand info right here
http://www.hmshost.com/corporate/who/1facts.html
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Are all the Mass Pike Service Areas going to be operated by McDonald's Corp
now? And what will happen come Jan 1st with these Areas? (In other words,
what does McDonalds plan to do with these areas)
Before you buy.
As somebody else mentioned, Riese Restaurants operates the Roy Rogers in NYC.
Their website may have disappeared in the past couple of years since I visited
it.
I know that there's a specific website (someone posted it) for the Roy Rogers
in Virginia...yes, http://www.plamondonroyrogers.com/.
You are correct in saying that CKE technically has the franchise rights
to Roy Rogers since they own the Hardees brand. In response to the
changes on the Mass Pike Travel Plazas I've copied an article from the
Worcester Telegram & Gazette from Sept 14, 2000
CHANGE IS COMING TO TURNPIKE PLAZAS
Thursday, September 14, 2000
Section: LOCAL NEWS
Page: B5
By Gerald F. Russell
Charlton- A planned $21 million construction project at the
Massachusetts Turnpike's 11 food service plazas will begin in Charlton,
where a major fire struck the eastbound plaza two years ago. Service
has been limited since then.
Robert R. Bliss, a Massachusetts Turnpike Authority spokesman, said
yesterday the 5E service plaza is the only one of 11 plazas that does
not have a building. The March 1998 fire destroyed the building that
housed the food services and restrooms. Since the fire, motorists use
portable toilets at the rest stop.
Rebuilding the Charlton service plaza has been put off until the new
contracts were awarded.
In a meeting Tuesday, the MTA board chose McDonald's Corp., of
Oakbrook, Ill., as the new food service vendor and approved negotiating
a 20-year food service lease with the fast-food chain. A fuel service
contract was awarded to Tosco Corp., which is headquartered in Tempe,
Ariz.
The new building in Charlton will be about 17,000 square feet, compared
to the 12,000 square feet in the former building. The one-story
building will have a ranchlike design, Mr. Bliss said.
A lease is expected to be signed with the companies within a month, and
construction will likely begin in Charlton in November, Mr. Bliss
predicted. The Charlton Plaza is among the pike's more busy plazas, he
said.
"You are catching all the traffic that comes off (Interstate) 84. That
is a hugely busy interchange. It is a prime spot," he said.
That service plaza is the first opportunity for motorists coming from
Connecticut to stop for services.
"There are exits (on I-84) that have lots of facilities, but no full-
serve travel plazas," he said.
The new service plazas will be modeled after food courts, Mr. Bliss
said.
"A number (of plazas) will be taken right down, and the remaining will
be renovated in such a way they will look entirely different. All of
this work will be paid for by McDonald's" Mr. Bliss said.
David A. Ball, a McDonalds spokesman, said the fast-food chain is
expanding its prescence on the nation's toll roads.
The restaurant has about 100 restaurants on toll roads and is now
experimenting with a new transponder payment system for drive-thru
business. McDonald's is conducting an experiment with the transponder
drive-through system in Orange County, Calif., Mr. Ball said.
In Massachusetts, the restaurant chain will also set up a transponder
payment system for people who have Fast Lane accounts, he said.
Besides McDonald's restaurants at nine of the service plazas, Boston
Chicken will be the lead food service in Ludlow Eastbound, and Westboro
Westbound. Drive Through service will be available at some of the
locations. Different products will be offered at different plazas.
Other food services to be available in the McDonald's lease will be
Honey Dew Donuts, Auntie Anne's (Pretzels), Papa Gino's/D'Angelo's,
Fresh City(Sandwiches), McCafe, McTreat Spot, Ben And Jerry's Ice
Cream, And Legal Seafood chowder.
A new addition to the 11 service plazas will be convenience stores
attached to the service buildings. Non-food services will include dry-
cleaning.
The strength of the McDonalds offer is the amount of the guaranteed
minimum annual rent, Mr. Bliss said.
In the first year of the lease, McDonalds promises to guarantee $9.3
million in rent, more than 3 times the fiscal 1999 rent, Mr. Bliss said.
McDonald's plans to invest $21 million in all service plazas in the
first two years.
The fuel service contract will be awarded to Tosco, a major fuel
refiner which sells fuel at about 6,000 stations nationwide under the
76, BP, Exxon, and Mobil brand names.
Tosco, which plans to invest $8.2 million in the first two years of the
lease, will replace existing pump islands and canopies at 6 of the
service stations. The remaining five stations will undergo minor
renovations.
Tosco and McDonalds will work together during the two year construction
project.
The current lease holders are Mobil Oil Co. and Host Marriott Services
Inc. of Bethesda, Md.
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In article <900ijv$99o$1...@newsfeed.logical.net>,
"Rick" <Ri...@capital.net> wrote:
> Well, that answers my question below :)
> I just hope they don't make the Charlton Service Area like the many
> McDonalds Corp Service Areas in New York, only McDonalds, a Gift
Shop, and
> an Ice Cream Shop. Nothing against McDonalds, but some people (not
myself
> though, I like McDonalds) would like to have a little variety.