I-65 realignment (Nashville) to swallow I-265
Adam Froehlig
>announced that Interstate 65 in downtown Nashville
>will be rerouted in an attempt to alleviate traffic
>congestion on one particularly clogged, half-mile
>portion of the city's Interstate loop.
Interesting...
>As a result, TDOT says, Interstate 265, the current
>designation for the 2-mile-long northwestern leg of
>the loop, will be eliminated. (Press release didn't
>say whether it would be decommissioned, or just
>"de-signed", a la I-124 in Chattanooga, which
>recently was partially re-signed.)
Listening, Kurumi? :o)
>The current alignment of I-65 is east of downtown
>Nashville in a duplex with I-24, then along the
>southeastern leg of the loop in a duplex with I-40.
>The I-40/65 duplex is extremely congested; it links
>two directional T interchanges pointing in opposite
>directions, and it contains a diamond, all in the
>span of 0.6 mile. Needless to say, it's a weaving
>hell.
IIRC, the new setup will also require a "weave" to stay on I-65
in each direction. Good news is you'll have about 2 miles to do
it in instead of about 3,000 feet.
>In September 2000, I-65's alignment will shift to
>the west and northwest legs of the loop, which will
>create an approximately 2-mile-long duplex with I-40
>and render I-265 unnecessary. The loop's east leg
>will remain I-24; the so-called south loop will be
>I-40 only.
Years ago, in Knoxville, TDOT realigns an Interstate to create a
3di. Now, they realign to remove one.....weird.
>TDOT says the move will cost about $350,000 for
>signage and will reduce the south loop traffic
>volume by 25%, from 121,000 vehicles per day to less
>than 91,000 per day. Ostensibly, the reduction would
>come from through traffic; I can't imagine local
>drivers are going to change their habits because the
>road changed route designations.
I don't think it'll drop THAT much. It may be a noticeable (and
appreciative) drop though. Seems to me that most of the
reduction will come from through traffic that is trying to stay
on I-65, but isn't familliar with Nashville.
>When TDOT posts the press release on its Web site,
>I'll post the URL to the group.
Nothing yet.
>I've lived in Nashville for 5 years and in Tennessee
>most of my life, and I've advocated this move for a
>long time. But I have to wonder if long-haul trucks
>(which IMO are the real targets of this move) will
>follow I-65 on its new routing. After all, these
>roads have existed for years, regardless of what
>route numbers they carry. If the truckers thought
>the western path around downtown was the better one,
>they'd already use it, wouldn't they?
I, for one, already use it. The biggest problem in the last
couple years with the route was the jams that would start on the
Cumberland River Bridge on I-265 due to construction at the
I-24/65/265 interchange, and at the Trinity Ln interchange just
up the road. Now that that's done, you might see a bit more
traffic starting to use I-265 to skirt around downtown and avoid
the "weave".
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Scott Oglesby
<froggie...@mississippi.net.invalid> wrote:
> >Today, the Tennessee Department of Transportation
> >announced that Interstate 65 in downtown Nashville
> >will be rerouted in an attempt to alleviate traffic
> >congestion on one particularly clogged, half-mile
> >portion of the city's Interstate loop.
>
> Interesting...
>
> >As a result, TDOT says, Interstate 265, the current
> >designation for the 2-mile-long northwestern leg of
> >the loop, will be eliminated. (Press release didn't
> >say whether it would be decommissioned, or just
> >"de-signed", a la I-124 in Chattanooga, which
> >recently was partially re-signed.)
>
> Listening, Kurumi? :o)
<rant mode="19th century financier">
Ach! First the folded diamond terminology, now this!
Cease hounding me, you vexatious, infernal scoundrel!
Where's my witch hazel?
</rant>
Yeah, it'll be interesting to kill another 3di.
And I'm actually renovating the interchange area, so each
type of i/c gets its own page, instead of crowding everything onto one.
But other things (e.g. a new job) are pushing it aside temporarily.
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Kevin Paulk
Interstate 65 in downtown Nashville will be rerouted in an attempt to
alleviate traffic congestion on one particularly clogged, half-mile
portion of the city's Interstate loop.
As a result, TDOT says, Interstate 265, the current designation for the
2-mile-long northwestern leg of the loop, will be eliminated. (Press
release didn't say whether it would be decommissioned, or just
"de-signed", a la I-124 in Chattanooga, which recently was partially
re-signed.)
The current alignment of I-65 is east of downtown Nashville in a duplex
with I-24, then along the southeastern leg of the loop in a duplex with
I-40. The I-40/65 duplex is extremely congested; it links two
directional T interchanges pointing in opposite directions, and it
contains a diamond, all in the span of 0.6 mile. Needless to say, it's
a weaving hell.
In September 2000, I-65's alignment will shift to the west and northwest
legs of the loop, which will create an approximately 2-mile-long duplex
with I-40 and render I-265 unnecessary. The loop's east leg will remain
I-24; the so-called south loop will be I-40 only.
TDOT says the move will cost about $350,000 for signage and will reduce
the south loop traffic volume by 25%, from 121,000 vehicles per day to
less than 91,000 per day. Ostensibly, the reduction would come from
through traffic; I can't imagine local drivers are going to change their
habits because the road changed route designations.
When TDOT posts the press release on its Web site, I'll post the URL to
the group.
I've lived in Nashville for 5 years and in Tennessee most of my life,
and I've advocated this move for a long time. But I have to wonder if
long-haul trucks (which IMO are the real targets of this move) will
follow I-65 on its new routing. After all, these roads have existed for
years, regardless of what route numbers they carry. If the truckers
thought the western path around downtown was the better one, they'd
already use it, wouldn't they?
Kevin Paulk
Hermitage, TN
2 miles south of U.S. 70
Nonesuch
even a couple thousand cars a day for $350,000 sounds like a _very_ cheap
way to smooth out traffic.
John Taber
Kevin Paulk <kpa...@home.com> wrote:
> As a result, TDOT says, Interstate 265, the current designation for
the
> 2-mile-long northwestern leg of the loop, will be eliminated. (Press
> release didn't say whether it would be decommissioned, or just
> "de-signed", a la I-124 in Chattanooga, which recently was partially
> re-signed.)
>
>
northwest
> legs of the loop, which will create an approximately 2-mile-long
duplex
> with I-40 and render I-265 unnecessary. The loop's east leg will
remain
> I-24; the so-called south loop will be I-40 only.
>
> and I've advocated this move for a long time. But I have to wonder if
As have I, but I never thought it would happen.
I did, along the way, come up with some revised exit numbers.
I-65 side (was 265):
I-40 Junction no # -> 84
8th Avenue/Metrocenter 1 -> 85 I-24 Jct
I-24 Junction no # -> 86
I-24 side (was 24/65):
I-65 Junction 86 -> 46
Jefferson/N First 85B -> 47A
Spring/Ellington 85A -> 47B
James Robertson (Main) 85 -> 48A
Shelby Ave 84 -> 48B
I-40 Junction 83A -> 49
I hope TennDOT takes the occasion to finally fix the exit numbers to
self that are all over the loop (and other places in Davidson County as
well.) An example: approaching the current 24/40/65 interchange from
the east, 65/24 is exit 211B, and 40/65 is exit 211A, even though you're
staying on 40.
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Kevin Paulk
I can see the value in that for the traveler unfamiliar with the city.
Anything that can help make sense out of the south loop is a good thing!
John Taber
Kevin Paulk <kpa...@home.com> wrote:
> Yes, but you're entering I-65 south, hence assigning it an exit
number.
> I can see the value in that for the traveler unfamiliar with the city.
> Anything that can help make sense out of the south loop is a good
thing!
Except it already has one: 210 (or 210A) at the other junction. I've
never seen another interstate multiplex in the country (or even
Tennessee) where each junction uses both A and B.
Michael D. Adams
: Yes, but you're entering I-65 south, hence assigning it an exit number.
: I can see the value in that for the traveler unfamiliar with the city.
: Anything that can help make sense out of the south loop is a good thing!
I'm willing to bet two zlotys that the revised exit numbers will consist
of:
former I-265 north end (I-24) --> new I-65 exit 86
former I-265 exit 1 --> new I-65 exit 85
former I-265 south end (I-40) --> new I-65 exit 84
former I-65 exit 85 --> new I-24 exit 47
former I-65 exits 84 --> new I-24 exits 48
...and that's about it. (Disclaimer, I'm doing that from memory and
a quick glance at an RMcN atlas in my office.)
I really can't imagine TnDOT spending a lot of money redesignating
all of the exits north of Nashville on I-65.
My rationale? Consider the change of I-240 (north side) to I-40 in
Memphis, without significant exit number changes about 20 years ago. :)
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Adam Froehlig
>money redesignating all of the exits north of
>Nashville on I-65.
It shouldn't make much difference anyway. IIRC, both "sides" of
the loop (existing I-65, and proposed I-65) are about 4 miles
each.
Mike McManus
>
> Today, the Tennessee Department of Transportation announced that
> Interstate 65 in downtown Nashville will be rerouted in an attempt to
> alleviate traffic congestion on one particularly clogged, half-mile
> portion of the city's Interstate loop.
> TDOT says the move will cost about $350,000 for signage [...]
Unless they go for the cheap solution and just blue-out the "2" on
all the I-265 shields... ;-)
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William S. Riddle, IV
>Kevin Paulk <kpa...@home.com> wrote:
>: Yes, but you're entering I-65 south, hence assigning it an exit number.
>: I can see the value in that for the traveler unfamiliar with the city.
>: Anything that can help make sense out of the south loop is a good thing!
>
>I'm willing to bet two zlotys that the revised exit numbers will consist
>of:
>
>former I-265 north end (I-24) --> new I-65 exit 86
>former I-265 exit 1 --> new I-65 exit 85
>former I-265 south end (I-40) --> new I-65 exit 84
>
>former I-65 exit 85 --> new I-24 exit 47
>former I-65 exits 84 --> new I-24 exits 48
>
>...and that's about it. (Disclaimer, I'm doing that from memory and
>a quick glance at an RMcN atlas in my office.)
You're almost right. I believe the former I-65 exit 84 will be I-24 exit
48, and exits 85, 85A, and 85B will become 47, 47A, and 47B.
>I really can't imagine TnDOT spending a lot of money redesignating
>all of the exits north of Nashville on I-65.
>
>My rationale? Consider the change of I-240 (north side) to I-40 in
>Memphis, without significant exit number changes about 20 years ago. :)
The exit numbers don't change significantly, but they sure do play mind
tricks on people travelling westbound! Imagine passing by SEVEN exit 1's
before FINALLY getting to the state line! The only other place with this
kind of madness is Cincinnati, and theirs is justified by the splitting of
I-71 and I-75 right at the state line.
Personally, I think the entire loop should have an exit numbering system all
it's own. The whole thing should carry an I-265 designation and have
milepost zero at it's current interchange with I-65 and I-24. Exit 1
(Metrocenter) could stay the same, and all of the others could change. I
just hope that they remember to change the blue reference markers on the
median barriers and actually acknowledge the existance of the multiplexes on
reassurance signage. Also, they need to use BIG shields on the BGS's like
they tend to do in Georgia and Kentucky.
Having pretty much grown up in Nashville through most of my life, I'm gonna
miss I-265. Since it opened up in the early 70's up until 1986 (the year
the first section of I-440 opened), it was the only 3di Nashville had. Heh,
now Knoxville will have three times as many 3di's as Nashville, despite the
face that Nashville is at least three times the size of Knoxville!
I'm gonna see if TDOT will let me have (or buy, if the price is right) an
old I-265 sign once they start taking them down.
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Gene Janczynskyi
> : I can see the value in that for the traveler unfamiliar with the city.
> : Anything that can help make sense out of the south loop is a good thing!
>
> I'm willing to bet two zlotys that the revised exit numbers will consist
> of:
>
How $0.60, you don't want to bet too much now. :-)
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in Cape Coral, FL
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Jon Enslin
Riddle, IV" <ridd...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Personally, I think the entire loop should have an exit
numbering system all
>it's own. The whole thing should carry an I-265 designation and
have
>milepost zero at it's current interchange with I-65 and I-24.
Exit 1
>(Metrocenter) could stay the same, and all of the others could
change.
That is similar to what occurs on Milwaukee's I-894 despite the
fact that I-43 was extended onto that bypass about 15 years ago.
Either that or give them exit numbers like "1N" (Exit 1
Nashville) and not bother with the I-265 designation.
Jon
Adam Froehlig
>exit numbering system all it's own. The whole thing
>should carry an I-265 designation and have milepost
>zero at it's current interchange with I-65 and I-24.
>Exit 1 (Metrocenter) could stay the same, and all of
>the others could change.
Actually, to stay within guidelines, Milepost Zero would have to
be at/near the southern end of the loop. In this case, that
would mean the I-40/65 South interchange.
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exits be renumbered to I-65 numbers and I-65 numbers be renumbered to I-24's
exit numbers?
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"Kevin Paulk" <kpa...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Today, the Tennessee Department of Transportation announced that
> Interstate 65 in downtown Nashville will be rerouted in an attempt to
> alleviate traffic congestion on one particularly clogged, half-mile
> portion of the city's Interstate loop.
>
> As a result, TDOT says, Interstate 265, the current designation for the
> 2-mile-long northwestern leg of the loop, will be eliminated. (Press
> release didn't say whether it would be decommissioned, or just
> "de-signed", a la I-124 in Chattanooga, which recently was partially
> re-signed.)
>
> The current alignment of I-65 is east of downtown Nashville in a duplex
> with I-24, then along the southeastern leg of the loop in a duplex with
> I-40. The I-40/65 duplex is extremely congested; it links two
> directional T interchanges pointing in opposite directions, and it
> contains a diamond, all in the span of 0.6 mile. Needless to say, it's
> a weaving hell.
>
> In September 2000, I-65's alignment will shift to the west and northwest
> legs of the loop, which will create an approximately 2-mile-long duplex
> with I-40 and render I-265 unnecessary. The loop's east leg will remain
> I-24; the so-called south loop will be I-40 only.
>
> TDOT says the move will cost about $350,000 for signage and will reduce
> the south loop traffic volume by 25%, from 121,000 vehicles per day to
> less than 91,000 per day. Ostensibly, the reduction would come from
> through traffic; I can't imagine local drivers are going to change their
> habits because the road changed route designations.
>
> When TDOT posts the press release on its Web site, I'll post the URL to
> the group.
>
> I've lived in Nashville for 5 years and in Tennessee most of my life,
> and I've advocated this move for a long time. But I have to wonder if
William S. Riddle, IV
numbers will actually be changed, it shouldn't cause too much confusion.
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