Corridor H field check/update
Froggie
Maryland, amongst other places), I headed home via the Corridor H
area. Posted an update on the blog, but in a nutshell, there's more
grading/bridgework being done between Scherr and Forman, the
interchange at CR 5 in Forman will be a folded diamond, and paving
between Forman and Moorefield will mostly be concrete:
http://ajfroggie.blogspot.com/2009/11/corridor-h-field-checkupdate.html
Froggie | Alexandria, VA | http://www.ajfroggie.com/roads/
rsh...@gmail.com
this is absurd
a road that at most will be used by maybe 4000 vehicles per day
a road to no where, from no where to no where
and the best part, the road won't be finished even in its half-assed
never actually completed state for at least 50 years, given funding
which the most recent was a gift from Byrd
Byrd is NOT going to be in the Senate forever, you know
give it up
I will tell you one place you could put the money to.
I took US 50 from Clarksburg west this past spring
there are a lot of crosses indicating fatal accidents
I am sure the money could be used for some improvements to reduce
those
Sherman L. Cahal
> Maryland, amongst other places), I headed home via the Corridor H
> area. Posted an update on the blog, but in a nutshell, there's more
> grading/bridgework being done between Scherr and Forman, the
> interchange at CR 5 in Forman will be a folded diamond, and paving
> between Forman and Moorefield will mostly be concrete:
>
> http://ajfroggie.blogspot.com/2009/11/corridor-h-field-checkupdate.html
Thanks for the update, Adam. I drove on the completed portions of
Corridor H last month and was impressed. The earlier iterations of
Corridor H post-1995 (can't find my completion date list for the
highways at the moment) that featured concrete mainlines and asphalt
shoulders, but the asphalt deteriorates and those segments have either
since been repaved or sealed. Deterioration can also occur at the
concrete and asphalt transition -- at the joint, to be specific, which
is why they are switching to all-concrete shoulders for any concrete
highway in the state.
I was shocked that they paved the Corridor H/US 33 bypass of
Buckhannon. That was completed in 1992 with concrete mainline and
asphalt shoulders, with continuous-reinforced pavement with 30-feet
distance between joints, and was in servicable condition that could
have been repaired and diamind-grinded.
I found the following to be of interest...
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/techadvs/t504030.htm
Sherman Cahal
rsh...@gmail.com
MONEY TO BURN
Sherman L. Cahal
> On Nov 11, 9:15 am, Froggie <frog...@mississippi.net> wrote:
>
> > After some hiking in Maryland on Sunday (to the highest point in
> > Maryland, amongst other places), I headed home via the Corridor H
> > area. Posted an update on the blog, but in a nutshell, there's more
> > grading/bridgework being done between Scherr and Forman, the
> > interchange at CR 5 in Forman will be a folded diamond, and paving
> > between Forman and Moorefield will mostly be concrete:
>
> >http://ajfroggie.blogspot.com/2009/11/corridor-h-field-checkupdate.html
>
> > Froggie | Alexandria, VA | http://www.ajfroggie.com/roads/
>
> this is absurd
>
> a road that at most will be used by maybe 4000 vehicles per day
Corridor H, from Weston (Interstate 79) to Elkins can carry well over
15,000 per day. The segment near Buckhannon carries nearly 20,000. The
segments that are disconnected at the time of this writing carry an
AADT below 4,000 because of their current isolation.
> and the best part, the road won't be finished even in its half-assed
> never actually completed state for at least 50 years, given funding
Actually, completion is set for 2020, which doesn't make it "50
years." The segment from Weston to Buckhannon opened in the late 1960s
as a two-lane ARC highway, but was upgraded to four-lanes later on.
While an extension was envisioned eastward towards Washington D.C., it
was not until the very late 1990s that a major push occurred for its
completion, essentially restarting the project on a more northerly
alignment. From this restart to today, that is not 50 years.
> I took US 50 from Clarksburg west this past spring
>
> there are a lot of crosses indicating fatal accidents
>
> I am sure the money could be used for some improvements to reduce
> those
I see crosses daily on my drives along the interstate highway, with
interchanges. US 50/Corridor D has a very low accident rate, in
comparison to other highways in the state. It has access control and a
minimum number of intersections. It does have an older design near
Salem eastward to Clarksburg, with sharper curves, blind access
points, and etc., but they do not contribute to a significant hazard.
If you are so interested in this, shouldn't you be calling WVDOH right
now for this same information I received from them a few years ago?
Sherman Cahal
H.B. Elkins
>If you are so interested in this, shouldn't you be calling WVDOH right
>now for this same information I received from them a few years ago?
You're arguing with an idiot, Sherman. A deranged, racist, criminal idiot. It
isn't worth your time, nor anyone else's time.
--
To reply by e-mail, remove the "restrictor plate"
Froggie
> > and the best part, the road won't be finished even in its half-assed
> > never actually completed state for at least 50 years, given funding
>
> Actually, completion is set for 2020, which doesn't make it "50
> years."
To be fair, WVDOT's own Corridor H website mentions that construction
won't begin on the last leg (Parsons to Davis) until 2031. So expect
at least 2 years (3 or 4 being more realistic) after that for
completion...
rsh...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On Nov 11, 9:15 am, Froggie <frog...@mississippi.net> wrote:
>
> > > After some hiking in Maryland on Sunday (to the highest point in
> > > Maryland, amongst other places), I headed home via the Corridor H
> > > area. Posted an update on the blog, but in a nutshell, there's more
> > > grading/bridgework being done between Scherr and Forman, the
> > > interchange at CR 5 in Forman will be a folded diamond, and paving
> > > between Forman and Moorefield will mostly be concrete:
>
> > >http://ajfroggie.blogspot.com/2009/11/corridor-h-field-checkupdate.html
>
> > > Froggie | Alexandria, VA | http://www.ajfroggie.com/roads/
>
> > this is absurd
>
> > a road that at most will be used by maybe 4000 vehicles per day
>
> Corridor H, from Weston (Interstate 79) to Elkins can carry well over
> 15,000 per day. The segment near Buckhannon carries nearly 20,000.
care to revise that
http://www.wvdot.com/3_roadways/rp/TA%20Traffic%20files/GCnt/upshur106.pdf
The
> segments that are disconnected at the time of this writing carry an
> AADT below 4,000 because of their current isolation.
>
> > and the best part, the road won't be finished even in its half-assed
> > never actually completed state for at least 50 years, given funding
>
> Actually, completion is set for 2020,
where exactly did you come up with that????
http://www.wvcorridorh.com/route/map2.html
Karens to Parsons const begins 2018
Parsons to Davis const begins 2031
http://www.wvcorridorh.com/route/map3.html
and of course that depends on funding
and of course you realize the fed hwy trust fund is bust
so my guess of 50 years is probably right
which doesn't make it "50
> years." The segment from Weston to Buckhannon opened in the late 1960s
> as a two-lane ARC highway, but was upgraded to four-lanes later on.
> While an extension was envisioned eastward towards Washington D.C., it
> was not until the very late 1990s that a major push occurred for its
> completion, essentially restarting the project on a more northerly
> alignment. From this restart to today, that is not 50 years.
>
> > I took US 50 from Clarksburg west this past spring
>
> > there are a lot of crosses indicating fatal accidents
>
> > I am sure the money could be used for some improvements to reduce
> > those
>
> I see crosses daily on my drives along the interstate highway, with
> interchanges. US 50/Corridor D has a very low accident rate, in
> comparison to other highways in the state. It has access control and a
> minimum number of intersections. It does have an older design near
> Salem eastward to Clarksburg, with sharper curves, blind access
> points, and etc., but they do not contribute to a significant hazard.
>
> If you are so interested in this, shouldn't you be calling WVDOH right
> now for this same information I received from them a few years ago?
>
http://www.wvdot.com/3_roadways/rp/TA%20Traffic%20files/GCnt/randolph106.pdf
combined 33-250 carry 14,000
come on Sherman quit fudging
The Chief Instigator
> On Nov 11, 9:15?am, Froggie <frog...@mississippi.net> wrote:
>> After some hiking in Maryland on Sunday (to the highest point in
>> Maryland, amongst other places), I headed home via the Corridor H
>> grading/bridgework being done between Scherr and Forman, the
>> interchange at CR 5 in Forman will be a folded diamond, and paving
>> between Forman and Moorefield will mostly be concrete:
>>
>> http://ajfroggie.blogspot.com/2009/11/corridor-h-field-checkupdate.html
>>
>
>
> this is absurd
>
> a road that at most will be used by maybe 4000 vehicles per day
>
> a road to no where, from no where to no where
Just a coincidence that you're often nowhere.
> and the best part, the road won't be finished even in its half-assed
> never actually completed state for at least 50 years, given funding
>
> which the most recent was a gift from Byrd
>
> Byrd is NOT going to be in the Senate forever, you know
>
> give it up
>
> I will tell you one place you could put the money to.
>
> I took US 50 from Clarksburg west this past spring
>
> there are a lot of crosses indicating fatal accidents
>
> I am sure the money could be used for some improvements to reduce
> those
I'd rather see the WV 55/future US 48 completed from Moorefield past
Wardensville to at least the Virginia line, if not all the way to I-81 just
north of Strasburg. (That might get done by 2020.)
--
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LAST GAME: Houston 5, San Antonio 2 (November 7)
NEXT GAME: Friday, November 13 at Lake Erie, 6:35
rsh...@gmail.com
I guess you miss a lot
VA will not fund any const
and furthermore Frederick and Shenandoah Cos want no part of it
so explain how that might get done in 11 years, please tell me
rsh...@gmail.com
>
> You're arguing with an idiot, Sherman. A deranged, racist, criminal idiot. It
> isn't worth your time, nor anyone else's time.
>
> --
> To reply by e-mail, remove the "restrictor plate"
If I am so stupid, dum dum how come I am right?
Sherman L. Cahal
> > On Nov 11, 8:02 pm, "Sherman L. Cahal" <shermanca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > and the best part, the road won't be finished even in its half-assed
> > > never actually completed state for at least 50 years, given funding
>
> > Actually, completion is set for 2020, which doesn't make it "50
> > years."
>
> To be fair, WVDOT's own Corridor H website mentions that construction
> won't begin on the last leg (Parsons to Davis) until 2031. So expect
> at least 2 years (3 or 4 being more realistic) after that for
> completion...
Their site is terribly outdated and not really updated as it should
be. From two engineers that I discussed this with, their goal -- in
the current funding climate, it can be expected that all segments,
sans the extension into Virginia, can be completed or started by 2020.
Of course, Senator Byrd has lost some of the most powerful
appropriation chairs in the senate... and my last discussion was
before that.
Sherman Cahal
Froggie
>
> > To be fair, WVDOT's own Corridor H website mentions that construction
> > won't begin on the last leg (Parsons to Davis) until 2031. So expect
> > at least 2 years (3 or 4 being more realistic) after that for
> > completion...
>
> Their site is terribly outdated and not really updated as it should
> be. From two engineers that I discussed this with, their goal -- in
> the current funding climate, it can be expected that all segments,
> sans the extension into Virginia, can be completed or started by 2020.
> Of course, Senator Byrd has lost some of the most powerful
> appropriation chairs in the senate... and my last discussion was
> before that.
Goals are one thing. Reality tends to be a good bit different.
The "current funding climate", as I'm sure you've seen, isn't as rosy
as it was even 2 years ago. That's certainly playing a factor. And
West Virginians can't expect Byrd to live forever.
Bottom line, what WVDOT lists on the site is more realistic than a
goal of being "completed or started by 2020".
Lastly, their site does get updated regularly, at least with the
construction updates.
Sherman L. Cahal
I miss the days when they actually updated their entire site, not just
construction updates. Much of the content hasn't been updated since
mid-2008.
Looking over the other WVDOH sites, it seems that many were allowed to
expire and many were either never finished or filled out.
Sherman Cahal
Brian M. Powell
The Buckhannon bypass has been asphalt for years, at least going back
to 2004. I'm thinking this part was built as asphalt from the get-
go. I can't see that the concrete would have failed that soon from
its installation.
East of the Buckhannon River to just west of WV 92 near Aggregates was
built as CRCP travel lanes with asphalt shoulders. In 2008 and 2009,
WVDOH repaved the shoulders on this stretch. They also did some minor
spot repair of failed slabs and in certain areas did asphalt overlay
of the concrete.
The part of Corridor H that bypasses Elkins and heads towards Parsons,
built circa 2000, features full concrete lanes and shoulders.
-Brian Powell
Brian M. Powell
Actually, Sherman, the estimated dates on the WVDOH Corridor H website
have been kept up-to-date. As recently as last year, they had been
saying a 2018 construction date. The dates slipped this year to the
new 2031 estimate. If you go to archive.org you can see the older
versions of the pages with the changing dates.
-Brian Powell
Sherman L. Cahal
I distinctively remember the bypass being concrete, but to the west
it's been asphalt for as long as I remember. The original two-lane
Corridor H segment has a concrete base, but I'm not for sure on its
twin. The bypass wasn't in terrible shape. A few failed slabs and some
minor corner cracking, but nothing that repairs couldn't have solved.
WVDOH has a tendency to pave over concrete pavements that are in
decent shape... (Interstate 79 near Charleston, Interstate 64 near
Lewisburg) that could use repair instead of an overlay.
> East of the Buckhannon River to just west of WV 92 near Aggregates was
> built as CRCP travel lanes with asphalt shoulders. In 2008 and 2009,
> WVDOH repaved the shoulders on this stretch. They also did some minor
> spot repair of failed slabs and in certain areas did asphalt overlay
> of the concrete.
>
> The part of Corridor H that bypasses Elkins and heads towards Parsons,
> built circa 2000, features full concrete lanes and shoulders.
>
> -Brian Powell
Sherman Cahal
Brian M. Powell
lettings. It looks like everything east of roughly Upshur CR 5/1
(west of Buckhannon) was built as concrete, roughly in the 1988-1990
timeframe. In 2004, there was a 3R project that put asphalt on US 33
west of the CR 12/Main Street bridge. The part east of the bridge to
just east of the Buckhannon River received an asphalt surface in 2006.
-Brian Powell