Local pronunciations? (OT)
Alexander Harris
Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin (in
Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
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>
> Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin (in
> Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
> unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
> area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
> to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
A better way of putting it is that many places pronounce the names of their
towns differently than what might be expected. For example, which is
correct: CHAR lotte, North Carolina, or Char LOTTE, Michigan?
And Louisville, KY is pronounced Lou-i-ville, which isn't that far off from Lou-ee-ville.
The fact of the matter is that many of our city names are from other languages, and
the spelling does not always represent the way that the people in the original
country pronounced it - and both spellings and pronounciations may change over time.
Especially difficult are the names from some of the various Native American languages.
These languages don't always translate well to our alphabet, and many times the same
word is translated several different ways (e.g. Chippewa, Chippeway, Ojibwa, Ojibway).
There are many major cities whose names are pronounced differently than the original.
One of the grosses violators is Detroit. But almost every city name that comes from
a different langauge is pronounced at least slightly differently than it would be in
the native language. Philadelphi, San Francisco, and Saint Louis are all prime examples.
Hartford, CT used to be Hertford, CT. The pronounciation was the same. The language
simply changed.
It is not unusual for cities in bilingual areas of the world have multiple names. The
same
goes for countries. The country that we call Switzerland has four official names, one in
each of the four official languages. That said, on their coins and their parliament
building,
(and I assume many other places) they don't have room (or desire) to put all four names
on,
so they put a fifth one, the Latin name for the country (explaining why "CH" stands for
Switzerland).
The point of all this is that the city names are not mispronounced, but simply pronounced
differently. It's their town. They can call it whatever they wish to.
Dyche Anderson
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Alexander Harris wrote:
> Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin (in
> Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
> unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
> area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
> to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
The classic example, I think:
Everyone remembers Mr. Peabody from Rocky & Bullwinkle. That's PEA-BODY.
But there's no PEA-BODY in Massachusetts. We have, for no particular
reason, a PEE-BAA-DEE (said reeeeely fast as if to make is sound like it
could pass for one sylable).
Snowmaster
Chris Bessert
Straits Region" list:
Mackinac - MACK in awe
Mackinaw - MACK in awe (please note the identical prounciations!)
Michilimackinac - MICH i lah MACK in awe
Bois Blanc - Bwah Blahnk (or even worse as "Bob Low")
Cheboygan - Shuh BOY gan
Petoskey - puh TAHS key
Charlevoix - SHAR la voy
Epoufette - eh poo FAY
Naubinway - NAW bin way
Gaylord - gaylurd (it's *not* 'GAY lord')
Les Cheneaux - lay chen OH
(Marc Fannin: Remind me to post this again next August...)
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Jay Levitt
> And Louisville, KY is pronounced Lou-i-ville, which isn't that far off from Lou-ee-ville.
>
I thought it was pronounced "lllllllvlllll".
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>
> Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin (in
> Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
> unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
> area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
> to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
Virginia:
Loudoun - LAU-din (LAU rhymes with COW)
Fauquier - FAW-keer (FAW rhymes with LAW)
Monticello - mont-i-CHELL-o
Staunton - STAN-tin
Norfolk - NAW-fik (by many locals) (NAW rhymes with LAW)
NOR-fik (by some others in the state, still no "L" pronounced)
Gloucester - GLOS-ter
Buchanan - BUCK-an-in
Wytheville - WITH-vil
Henrico - hen-RIKE-o (RIKE rhymes with BIKE)
Maryland:
Baltimore - BAWL-i-mur (by many locals)
Worcester - WOOS-ter
Wicomico - wi-KOM-i-ko
Chevy Chase - hard "CH" pronounced
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Monte Castleman
>
>Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
>Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin (in
>Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
>unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
>area have any other weird pronunciations?
Two Minneapolis suburbs come to mind.
Wayzata is pronounced WAH-zeh-tuh
Shakopee is pronounced SHAW-kuh-pee (I've heard out of towners say
Shah-KO-pee
Monte Castleman
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george shewbart
Group: misc.transport.road Date: Sat, Aug 19, 2000, 3:28am (EDT+4) From:
alexand...@my-deja.com (AlexanderĀ Harris) Local pronunciations?
(OT)
Some weeks ago I was watching CSpan and the moderator (it was not Brian
Lamb) told us that a caller from La Plata MD was on the air. He used the
standard Argentine pronunciation which ising "ah" for the for the first
and second a. The correct pronunciation, as anyone from Southern
Maryland knows, is a long second a as in dinner plate and short "a"s
for the first and third. vowels.
By the way, Missouri also has a La Plata I don't know how it is
pronounced there and there are usages of the word in Colorado which I
believe do use the Hispanic pronunciation.
George who is proud to be a native La Platan
Dyche Anderson
>
> Lemme chime in here with my annual "Pronunciations of the Mackinac
> Straits Region" list:
>
> Mackinac - MACK in awe
> Mackinaw - MACK in awe (please note the identical prounciations!)
> Michilimackinac - MICH i lah MACK in awe
> Bois Blanc - Bwah Blahnk (or even worse as "Bob Low")
Sault Ste. Marie - Soo Saint Ma REE (or "The SOO")
To help matters further, here is the pronounciation of the Detroit/Windsor area, and some
other places in Michigan:
Bois Blanc - BOB Low (note the comparison)
Detroit - Dee TROIT (NOT DEE troit nor even day TWAH)
Novi - NO vy (long I)
Ypsilanti - Ip suh LAN tee (there is NO consonantal "Y" sound). Also, IP see
Grosse Pointe - Gross Point
Grosse Ile - Gross Eel
Wyandotte - WY an dot
Saline - sa LEEN
Milan - MY lun
Okemos - OH ki mus
Houghton - HOE tun
Calumet - CAL you met
L'Anse - Lahns
Michigamme - Mish i GAHM me
Tecumseh - Ti CUM see
Dyche Anderson
Adam Froehlig
> Two Minneapolis suburbs come to mind.
> Wayzata is pronounced WAH-zeh-tuh
I dunno which Wayzata you're talking about, Monte. Most metro people pronounce
the Way part the same as WHY.
To George: Kosciusko in Mississippi is pronounced like Cause - E (long e) - oos
- ko.
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J.P. Kirby
<alexand...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
>Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin (in
>Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
>unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
>area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
>to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
>
Around here, you have some mispronounced European names, plus lots of
mangled native Indian words, like:
Fredericton, NB: FRED-rick-tun
Berlin, NH: BURR-lin
Greenwich, NB: GREEN-wich
Dalhousie, NB: Dal-HOWZ-ee (Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia puts
the stress on the first syllable)
Skowhegan, ME: Skow-HEEG-in
Calais, ME: CAL-is
Miramichi, NB: Meer-ah-mah-SHEE
Nackawic, NB: NACK-ah-wick
Renous, NB: Rin-NOOSE
Bouctouche, NB: Book-TOOSH
Houlton, ME: HOLE-ton
Shediac, NB: SHED-ee-yak
Caraquet, NB: Care-ah-KET
Tracadie, NB: TRACK-ah-dee
Sheila, NB: SHY-lah
Tatamagouche, NS: Tat-ah-mah-GOOSH
Shubenacadie, NS: Shoo-bin-ACK-ah-dee
Antigonish, NS: Ant-tee-gun-NISH
Judique, NS: JOO-dik
Boiestown, NB: BOYS-town
Cheticamp, NS: CHET-tee-camp
Louisbourg, NS: LEW-wee-burg
Presque Isle, ME: Presque Aisle
Millinocket, ME: Mill-in-NOK-it
Machias, ME: Mah-CHY-is
Billerica, MA: Bill-RICK-ah
Bowdoin, ME: BOE-din
Oromocto, NB: Oh-roh-MOCK-toe
Kouchibouguac, NB: KOOSH-shib-oo-GWAK
Richibucto, NB: Rish-hib-UCK-toe
That's all I can think of. :)
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Douglas Kerr
Here in New York, we have plenty of different pronounciations for names
of towns. Here's a sampling of them from what I've heard.
Oswego- Ah-swih-go, Ah-sway-go, or Ah-swee-go (locals use first two
more)
Syracuse- Seer-a-cues or Sar-uh-ceuse (locals more likely use first one)
Rochester- Rah-chih-ster or Rah-ches-ter
Schenectady- Sken-ect-a-dee
Poughkeepsie- Po-kip-see
Canandaigua- Can-an-day-gwa
Chittenango- Chit-uh-nain-go
Oneonta- Own-e-on-tuh
Montauk- Mon-tawk
Rensselaer- Ren-sell-ear
Ithaca- Ith-uh-cuh
Canajoharie- Can-uh-jo-hairy
Massapequa- Mass-a-pee-qua
Setauket- Suh-taw-ket
Ronkonkoma- Ron-kon-kuh-muh
Buffalo- Buff-low (it sounds like Buff-low when said at a faster pace)
Ilion- Ill-e-in
Herkimer- Herk-uh-muhr
Yonkers- Yon-kurrs
Chappaqua- Cha-pah-kwah (where Bill and Chelsea Clinton reside now too)
Gansevoort- Gaines-voart
Schoharie- Sko-hairy
In article <8nkus2$iro$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Alexander Harris <alexand...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin
(in
> Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
> unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
> area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
> to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
Perhaps Flow-ma-tin? I've never been in Alabama and haven't made too
many trips driving into the South, so this is merely speculation on my
part.
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Nathan Perry
wrote:
> Here in New York, we have plenty of different pronounciations for names
> of towns. Here's a sampling of them from what I've heard.
>
> Oswego- Ah-swih-go, Ah-sway-go, or Ah-swee-go (locals use first two
> more)
I say uh-SWEE-go or sometimes between that and uz-WAY-go
> Syracuse- Seer-a-cues or Sar-uh-ceuse (locals more likely use first one)
I say SIR-a-cues with a short i. I don't know where Sarah-cues comes from.
> Rochester- Rah-chih-ster or Rah-ches-ter
ROCH-ster is more accurate...maybe ROCH-i-ster, but never RAH-CHES-ter.
More:
Chautauqua: she-TAW-kwuh
Bergen: BUR-jin
Le Roy: luh-ROY
Cuylerville: KYE-ler-vill
Cayuga: often heard Q-guh, almost indistinguishable from
Keuka: Q-kuh
Skaneateles: Skinny Atlas
Ithaca: ITH-uh-quack ;-)
And one of the most powerful pronunciation tools...initial vowels are
often short, medial and terminal vowels are usually long:
Medina: me-DIE-nuh
Java: JAY-vuh
Delhi: DELL-hie
Avon: AA-von rhymes with "have on"
Corfu: core-FYOO
Pulaski: pull-ASS-kye (well, hey, that's how they pronounce it!)
Chili: CHY-lye
Lima: LYE-muh
Albion: AL-bee-un as in AL Gore
Almond: AL-mond same deal
Ossian: OSH-un
Canisteo: can-uh-STEE-oh
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>
> Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area,
[snip]
There are a lot of ways the Lafayette is pronounced across the country
In Indiana, (where I'm originally from) they're particularly good at
mangling foreign names:
Lafayette: Lah-FEE-et in town, Lay-FEE-et rural.
Terre Haute: Ter-ra HOTE in town, Ter-ree HUT rural
Versailles: Ver-SAILS
Peru: PEE-ROO (equal emphasis on the syllables)
Galveston: Gal-VEST-ton (not really foreign, but different from Texas)
"Creek" is "Crick," BTW.
The most blatant strange pronunciation of a town name in New Mexico,
where I live now:
Madrid: MAD-RID (not ma-DRID, that's a family name here)
Just so you know:
Albuquerque: ALB-a-KER-kee, unless you you're Hispanic: Alb-OO-ker-KAY
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<dy...@mediaone.net> writes:
>The point of all this is that the city names are not mispronounced, but
>simply pronounced
>differently. It's their town. They can call it whatever they wish to.
Good point in a good response.
It's my understanding that the pronounciation of proper nouns is an individual
thing - whether its a place name or a personal name. The way the "holders"
of the name pronounce it is the correct way.
Thus the holders of the various Cairo's in the US not only pronounce their
Cairo differently from the holders in Egypt but from each other.
Both hows-ton and hews-ton are correct unless you call the street in NYC
hews-ton or the city in Texas hows-ton. As a kid we would take the train from
Newark, New Jersey to Newark, Ohio except we went from nerk to new arc.
Local pronounciations are wrapped in local folkways - often influenced by the
dialects of settlers. Say at one time you had a lot of Polish immigrants
settle in an area with a French name - what do you get but Polish accented
English saying a French name.
Look at local pronounciation not as a mispronounciation but as part of the
local heritage.
Regards,
Frank
Alexander Harris
company I use, is based. I thoughth they were joking about the
Clintons' house being two blocks away.
In article <8nmc01$1em$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Douglas Kerr <dke...@oswego.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Here in New York, we have plenty of different pronounciations for
names
> of towns. Here's a sampling of them from what I've heard.
>
> Oswego- Ah-swih-go, Ah-sway-go, or Ah-swee-go (locals use first two
> more)
> Syracuse- Seer-a-cues or Sar-uh-ceuse (locals more likely use first
one)
> Rochester- Rah-chih-ster or Rah-ches-ter
> Schenectady- Sken-ect-a-dee
> Poughkeepsie- Po-kip-see
> Canandaigua- Can-an-day-gwa
> Chittenango- Chit-uh-nain-go
> Oneonta- Own-e-on-tuh
> Montauk- Mon-tawk
> Rensselaer- Ren-sell-ear
> Ithaca- Ith-uh-cuh
> Canajoharie- Can-uh-jo-hairy
> Massapequa- Mass-a-pee-qua
> Setauket- Suh-taw-ket
> Ronkonkoma- Ron-kon-kuh-muh
> Buffalo- Buff-low (it sounds like Buff-low when said at a faster pace)
> Ilion- Ill-e-in
> Herkimer- Herk-uh-muhr
> Yonkers- Yon-kurrs
> Chappaqua- Cha-pah-kwah (where Bill and Chelsea Clinton reside now
too)
> Gansevoort- Gaines-voart
> Schoharie- Sko-hairy
>
> In article <8nkus2$iro$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Alexander Harris <alexand...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> > Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin
> (in
> > Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I
am
> > unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
> > area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about
how
> > to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
>
> Perhaps Flow-ma-tin? I've never been in Alabama and haven't made too
> many trips driving into the South, so this is merely speculation on my
> part.
>
> --
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> chicks
> and do drugs." - OZZY OSBOURNE explains his carefully crafted career
> plan.
>
Mark Roberts
|
| The most blatant strange pronunciation of a town name in New Mexico,
| where I live now:
| Madrid: MAD-RID (not ma-DRID, that's a family name here)
|
| Just so you know:
| Albuquerque: ALB-a-KER-kee, unless you you're Hispanic: Alb-OO-ker-KAY
Note, though, that "Bernalillo" doesn't exactly roll off an Anglo
tongue the right way.
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Pat O'Connell
>
> Pat O'Connell <pa...@nmia.com> had written:
> |
> | The most blatant strange pronunciation of a town name in New Mexico,
> | where I live now:
> | Madrid: MAD-RID (not ma-DRID, that's a family name here)
> |
> | Just so you know:
> | Albuquerque: ALB-a-KER-kee, unless you you're Hispanic: Alb-OO-ker-KAY
>
> Note, though, that "Bernalillo" doesn't exactly roll off an Anglo
> tongue the right way.
Not that bad, really: Ber-na-LEE-yo.
Bringing up an oddity: Albuquerque is the county seat of Bernalillo
County, and Bernalillo is the county seat of Sandoval County.
Speaking of this area, I have links to sites about the construction of
the Big-I (I40/I25 interchange). First, the "official" site:
This one is a live Webcam, mounted in a window of the office building
in which I work:
Also, NM 44 (becoming US 550) has its own construction Website:
http://nm44.com/
Mike McManus
>
> In article <8nmc01$1em$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Douglas Kerr
> <dke...@oswego.edu> wrote:
>
> > Here in New York, we have plenty of different pronounciations for
> > names of towns. Here's a sampling of them from what I've heard.
> >
> > Oswego- Ah-swih-go, Ah-sway-go, or Ah-swee-go (locals use first two
> > more)
>
>
> > one)
>
> from.
I've heard Sarah-cues from many Rochesterians.
In the vicinity: Onondaga (Lake) -- on-un-DOG-uh
>
> > Rochester- Rah-chih-ster or Rah-ches-ter
>
> ROCH-ster is more accurate...maybe ROCH-i-ster, but never
> RAH-CHES-ter.
Unless you're referring to Jack Benny's sidekick. ;-)
In the vicinity: Charlotte (part of Rochester) is pronounced
shar-LOT or sha-LOT (like its namesake in Michigan), and not
SHAR-lut as in North Carolina.
Also, Manitou (Road) -- MAN-i-toe, sometimes MAN-i-tao, almost never
MAN-i-too. But I've sung a Christmas carol that rhymed "Manitou"
with "you", forcing the latter pronunciation. (This was an English
translation, from the original Huron, in which one of the French
missionaries wrote it. ;-)
> More:
> Chautauqua: she-TAW-kwuh
> Bergen: BUR-jin
> Le Roy: luh-ROY
> Cuylerville: KYE-ler-vill
> Cayuga: often heard Q-guh, almost indistinguishable from
> Keuka: Q-kuh
I often hear Cayuga as K-yoo-guh, precisely to get around this
problem.
Also in the vicinity: Conesus (Lake) -- cuh-NEE-shus -- which is
almost impossible to distinguish from Canisius (College).
> Skaneateles: Skinny Atlas
> Ithaca: ITH-uh-quack ;-)
>
> And one of the most powerful pronunciation tools...initial vowels are
> often short, medial and terminal vowels are usually long:
> Medina: me-DIE-nuh
> Java: JAY-vuh
> Delhi: DELL-hie
The township in Ohio where I grew up is pronounced the same.
Kevin Robokoff
Alexander Harris wrote:
> Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin (in
> Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
> unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
> area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
> to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
>
man what part of the US are you from??????
Lafayette is La- fee-ette in my book!!!
hurricane is hurr-i-cane
Cairo is Ki ro for the capital of Egypt, but Cay-ro in FIBB country
ILL.
Louisville is Loowee-ville.
Berlin, WI is BERR lin not ber LIN after it was changed during WW 2
when people decided not to have it prounced like Hitlers Germany!!!!!!!!!
Is Missouri Mizz ery or Missoura? or Missouri?????
I heard Montana proununced as Montina with the emphasis on Mont.
I also heard Oregon as Oregone!!! or Oregan like organ.
Kevin
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Winston969
that they needed to be changed by the state, howabout Auburn and Elmira county,
or Fair Haven County and Southport County? these sound much much nicer...
winston brownlow
Scott M. Kozel
>
> hurricane is hurr-i-cane
We knew some Floridians who pronounced it HAIR-uh-kin
Kevin Robokoff
Nathan Perry wrote:
> In article <8nmc01$1em$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Douglas Kerr <dke...@oswego.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Here in New York, we have plenty of different pronounciations for names
> > of towns. Here's a sampling of them from what I've heard.
> >
> > Oswego- Ah-swih-go, Ah-sway-go, or Ah-swee-go (locals use first two
> > more)
>
midwesterners and WI people like me say Ah sway go!
>
> I say uh-SWEE-go or sometimes between that and uz-WAY-go
>
> > Syracuse- Seer-a-cues or Sar-uh-ceuse (locals more likely use first one)
>
sarah cuse is what I say
>
> I say SIR-a-cues with a short i. I don't know where Sarah-cues comes from.
>
> > Rochester- Rah-chih-ster or Rah-ches-ter
>
Rod chester is how I prounounce it for Rochester, MN.
>
> ROCH-ster is more accurate...maybe ROCH-i-ster, but never RAH-CHES-ter.
>
> More:
> Chautauqua: she-TAW-kwuh
We have big top She Taw-kwah, a ski hill in the northern tip of Wisconsin
called Bayfield located on the shore of Lake Superior.
>
> Bergen: BUR-jin
> Le Roy: luh-ROY
> Cuylerville: KYE-ler-vill
> Cayuga: often heard Q-guh, almost indistinguishable from
We say Ki U Guh or Kay U Guh up in northern WI for a little tiny
settlement north of my hometown spelled Cayuga.
>
> Keuka: Q-kuh
> Skaneateles: Skinny Atlas
> Ithaca: ITH-uh-quack ;-)
>
I say Ith aca one might say ithica or I thaca?
>
> And one of the most powerful pronunciation tools...initial vowels are
> often short, medial and terminal vowels are usually long:
> Medina: me-DIE-nuh
> Java: JAY-vuh
I say Jaw vuh like Java coffee
>
> Delhi: DELL-hie
> Avon: AA-von rhymes with "have on"
I say A von like most up north here.
>
> Corfu: core-FYOO
> Pulaski: pull-ASS-kye (well, hey, that's how they pronounce it!)
Thats how we say Pulaski, WI Pull ass key
>
> Chili: CHY-lye
We say Chill e in WI
>
> Lima: LYE-muh
I say Lye muh beans and Lee ma for Peru.
>
> Albion: AL-bee-un as in AL Gore
> Almond: AL-mond same deal
I say ALL mond here in WI but Almond WI has been pronouned as Al-mond
>
> Ossian: OSH-un
> Canisteo: can-uh-STEE-oh
>
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>
> Here in New York, we have plenty of different pronounciations for names
> of towns. Here's a sampling of them from what I've heard.
Really? I've always pronounced it "that #@&%*$#@ place!"
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> The most blatant strange pronunciation of a town name in New Mexico,
> where I live now:
> Madrid: MAD-RID (not ma-DRID, that's a family name here)
>
> Just so you know:
> Albuquerque: ALB-a-KER-kee, unless you you're Hispanic: Alb-OO-ker-KAY
Pass, on I-25 at the border between New Mexico and Colorado, is
pronounced differently in the states. It's Rah-TAHN in New Mexico and
RAT-in in Colorado. New Mexico's pronunciation is closer to the
original Spanish, while Colorado's is more Americanized. Is this true?
Douglas Kerr
per...@frontiernet.net (Nathan Perry) wrote:
> In article <8nmc01$1em$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Douglas Kerr
<dke...@oswego.edu>
>
> > Here in New York, we have plenty of different pronounciations for
names
> > of towns. Here's a sampling of them from what I've heard.
> >
> > more)
>
>
> > Syracuse- Seer-a-cues or Sar-uh-ceuse (locals more likely use first
one)
>
from.
>
> > Rochester- Rah-chih-ster or Rah-ches-ter
>
RAH-CHES-ter.
On Long Island, they say ROCK-chester. I guess the RAH-ches-TER is more
of a Syracusan/Oswegonian way to say it. Personally, I say
Rah-chih-ster. Maybe it is more like a ROCH-i than a Rah-chih.
>
> More:
> Chautauqua: she-TAW-kwuh
> Bergen: BUR-jin
> Le Roy: luh-ROY
> Cuylerville: KYE-ler-vill
> Cayuga: often heard Q-guh, almost indistinguishable from
> Keuka: Q-kuh
> Skaneateles: Skinny Atlas
> Ithaca: ITH-uh-quack ;-)
>
> And one of the most powerful pronunciation tools...initial vowels are
> often short, medial and terminal vowels are usually long:
> Medina: me-DIE-nuh
> Java: JAY-vuh
> Delhi: DELL-hie
> Avon: AA-von rhymes with "have on"
> Corfu: core-FYOO
> Pulaski: pull-ASS-kye (well, hey, that's how they pronounce it!)
> Chili: CHY-lye
> Lima: LYE-muh
> Albion: AL-bee-un as in AL Gore
> Almond: AL-mond same deal
> Ossian: OSH-un
> Canisteo: can-uh-STEE-oh
>
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> | where I live now:
> | Madrid: MAD-RID (not ma-DRID, that's a family name here)
> |
> | Just so you know:
> | Albuquerque: ALB-a-KER-kee, unless you you're Hispanic: Alb-OO-ker-KAY
>
> tongue the right way.
Neither does the second largest city in New Mexico, Las Cruces. Some of
us (I used to live there) have no problems, many others (my dad, for
example) just never could get it right.
And on the Madrid topic, it's New MAD-rid, Missouri (just like the fault).
Dyche Anderson
Bruce B. Reynolds
>In Indiana, (where I'm originally from) they're particularly good at
>mangling foreign names:
>
>Lafayette: Lah-FEE-et in town, Lay-FEE-et rural.
>Terre Haute: Ter-ra HOTE in town, Ter-ree HUT rural
>Versailles: Ver-SAILS
>Peru: PEE-ROO (equal emphasis on the syllables)
>Galveston: Gal-VEST-ton (not really foreign, but different from Texas)
>
To which add DuBois County: "DUE-BOYZ"
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> In article <perryhq-1908...@news.frontiernet.net>,
> per...@frontiernet.net (Nathan Perry) wrote:
>
> >
> > > Rochester- Rah-chih-ster or Rah-ches-ter
> >
> > ROCH-ster is more accurate...maybe ROCH-i-ster, but never
> RAH-CHES-ter.
>
> On Long Island, they say ROCK-chester. I guess the RAH-ches-TER is more
> of a Syracusan/Oswegonian way to say it. Personally, I say
> Rah-chih-ster. Maybe it is more like a ROCH-i than a Rah-chih.
Ah, I could imagine Joey Buttafuoco in a Flintstone outfit ;-)
A J Harris
optional second syllable.
In article <20000819225629...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
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Kevin Robokoff <krob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Alexander Harris wrote:
>
> > Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> > Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin
(in
> > Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I
am
> > unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
> > area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about
how
> > to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
> >
>
> man what part of the US are you from??????
Northeast Mississippi.
>
> Lafayette is La- fee-ette in my book!!!
I pronounce it the way it's supposed to be, with the accent on the
third syllable.
>
> hurricane is hurr-i-cane
>
> Cairo is Ki ro for the capital of Egypt, but Cay-ro in FIBB
country
They say "Cayro" here, too, and INSIST on me saying it the same way.
> ILL.
> Louisville is Loowee-ville.
>
> Berlin, WI is BERR lin not ber LIN after it was changed during
WW 2
> when people decided not to have it prounced like Hitlers
Germany!!!!!!!!!
Understandable.
>
> Is Missouri Mizz ery or Missoura? or Missouri?????
>
> I heard Montana proununced as Montina with the emphasis on Mont.
>
> I also heard Oregon as Oregone!!! or Oregan like organ.
I usually refer to the state as "Organ", but maybe that has to do with
being a musician.
My dad pronounces every Helena with the accent on the second syllable
(which sounds a lot better), though California's the only state that
does this.
>
> Kevin
> krob...@hotmail.com
>
> >
> > --
> > A Miscellaneous Roadgeek Page
Dan Tasman
> Just so you know:
> Albuquerque: ALB-a-KER-kee, unless you you're Hispanic: Alb-OO-ker-KAY
Same thing with many New Mexico cities -- las-KROO-sis / lahs-ka-HROO-ses,
SAN-tuh-fay / SAHN-tah-fay, ell-PA-so / eel-PAHH-so (so that's in Texas, but
it's close), and so on.
In Buffalo, there's the suburb of Cheektowaga -- cheek-TOE-wah-guh among
non-residents, CHICK-a-tuh-va-guh among many of its primarily Polish-
American residents. Amherst -- EE-YAM-hurst in a blue collar Buffalo flat-a
accent, AM-erst (dropping the "h") among its upper middle class inhabitants.
A virtual congratulations for those who can identify what the Tahn-ah-tahn-
AH-wahn-dah (Buffalo flat-a) is.
Dan Tasman
>Something you might know, being in New Mexico ... I've heard that Raton
>Pass, on I-25 at the border between New Mexico and Colorado, is
>pronounced differently in the states. It's Rah-TAHN in New Mexico and
>RAT-in in Colorado. New Mexico's pronunciation is closer to the
>original Spanish, while Colorado's is more Americanized. Is this true?
I've heard rah-TOHN (sounds like "rat-tone") on both sides of the border, as
far north as Denver, and as far south as las-CAH-rrroo-ses.
Jim Geiger
>> area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
>> to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
It's pronounced "FLO-ma-tun"
...and watch your speed once across the border in Century, FL.
Cops are super nasty, there.
Pat O'Connell
>
> Pat O'Connell wrote:
>
> > The most blatant strange pronunciation of a town name in New Mexico,
> > where I live now:
> > Madrid: MAD-RID (not ma-DRID, that's a family name here)
> >
> > Albuquerque: ALB-a-KER-kee, unless you you're Hispanic: Alb-OO-ker-KAY
>
> Pass, on I-25 at the border between New Mexico and Colorado, is
> pronounced differently in the states. It's Rah-TAHN in New Mexico and
> RAT-in in Colorado. New Mexico's pronunciation is closer to the
> original Spanish, while Colorado's is more Americanized. Is this true?
Albq. newscasters say rah-TONE. I'm not sure how the locals say it,
even though I've stopped there on the way to Colorado. Gas is always
cheaper in Raton than in Trinidad, CO and other points north.
A J Harris
El Sobrante - L So Brawny
Contra Costa - Would be "Cantra Casta" in Spanish
Alameda - See Contra Costa
St. Helena - Saint Ha-Lee-Na
Los Angeles - Loss Ann-Ja-Lis (incorrect)
Marin - Ma-Rin (with the accent on the second syllable)
In article <8nkus2$iro$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Alexander Harris <alexand...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin
(in
> Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
> unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
> area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
> to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
>
David J. Greenberger
> Ithaca: ITH-uh-quack ;-)
Excuse me?
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> A virtual congratulations for those who can identify what the
> Tahn-ah-tahn- AH-wahn-dah (Buffalo flat-a) is.
That's the Town of Tonawanda, I assume.
ad...@interlog.com
> For good measure, here are some dumb California pronunciations:
>
> El Sobrante - L So Brawny
L Love You Long Time?
(*somebody* had to answer that way;-))
dan
pronounced it 'Ron-konk-er-mer".
Probably overdoing the Lawn Guyland accent
just a little.
:-)
dan
Peter Rosa wrote:
> Douglas Kerr wrote:
> >
> > Here in New York, we have plenty of different pronounciations for names
> > of towns. Here's a sampling of them from what I've heard.
>
> > Ronkonkoma- Ron-kon-kuh-muh
>
> Really? I've always pronounced it "that #@&%*$#@ place!"
>
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dan
Most people pronounce the county with only
two syllables : RENSS-ler. So do the people
who live in the city of the same name. Everyone
else spells the city with three syllables:
rens-sell-EAR. I wonder how that came about.
dan
Douglas Kerr wrote:
> Here in New York, we have plenty of different pronounciations for names
> of towns. Here's a sampling of them from what I've heard.
>
> Oswego- Ah-swih-go, Ah-sway-go, or Ah-swee-go (locals use first two
> more)
> Syracuse- Seer-a-cues or Sar-uh-ceuse (locals more likely use first one)
> Rochester- Rah-chih-ster or Rah-ches-ter
> Schenectady- Sken-ect-a-dee
> Poughkeepsie- Po-kip-see
> Canandaigua- Can-an-day-gwa
> Chittenango- Chit-uh-nain-go
> Oneonta- Own-e-on-tuh
> Montauk- Mon-tawk
> Rensselaer- Ren-sell-ear
> Ithaca- Ith-uh-cuh
> Canajoharie- Can-uh-jo-hairy
> Massapequa- Mass-a-pee-qua
> Setauket- Suh-taw-ket
> Ronkonkoma- Ron-kon-kuh-muh
> Buffalo- Buff-low (it sounds like Buff-low when said at a faster pace)
> Ilion- Ill-e-in
> Herkimer- Herk-uh-muhr
> Yonkers- Yon-kurrs
> Chappaqua- Cha-pah-kwah (where Bill and Chelsea Clinton reside now too)
> Gansevoort- Gaines-voart
> Schoharie- Sko-hairy
>
> In article <8nkus2$iro$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Alexander Harris <alexand...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> > Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin
> (in
> > Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
> > unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
> > area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
> > to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
>
> Perhaps Flow-ma-tin? I've never been in Alabama and haven't made too
> many trips driving into the South, so this is merely speculation on my
> part.
>
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Wollongong - WOOLEN-gong
Woolloomooloo - WOOL-uh-muh-loo
Austinmer - oss-tuhn-MEER
Thirroul - thu-ROOL
Bulli - bull-EYE
Woonona - wuh-NOON-uh (the double-O is in the wrong place!)
Towradgi - tuh-RODD-ji
Unanderra - YOON-un-deh-ruh
Mount Keira - KEER-uh
Bellambi - BLAMM-bi
Austral - OSS-trul
Balgowlah - BAU-gau-luh (BAU rhyming with 'now')
Berala - Buh-RALL-uh
Bondi - bonn-DYE
Camden - KAMM-duhn (as opposed to CAME-duhn, England)
Campbelltown - KAMM-bull-town
Casula - kuh-SOOL-uh
Chiswick - Chizzick
Dharruk - dah-ROOK (rhymes with 'book')
Engadine - eng-guh-DEEN
Greenwich - GRENN-itch
Haberfield - HABBA-feeld
Harbord - HAH-bud
Jannali - juh-NALLY (rhymes with Rand McNally - had to stick to a roadgeek
theme)
Kearns - kurnz
Killara - "Clara"
Ku-Ring-Gai - kyoo-RING-guy
Kyeemagh - kye-EE-muh
La Perouse - lah-puh-ROOZ
Leichhardt - like-HEART
Macquarie Fields/Park/Point/Highway/Pass/Hill/Island/etc. - muh-KWORRY
Marayong - marry-YONG
Maroubra - muh-ROOB-ruh
Mowbray Road/Park/etc. - "Mow-" rhymes with "now", not "tow"
Padstow - pad-STOE
Sans Souci - san-SOO-zi
Whalan - WHALE-un
Woollahra - wul-AHR-uh
Woolwich - WOOL-itch
Regards,
Bradley.
Dyche Anderson
Dan Tasman wrote:
>
> > Just so you know:
> > Albuquerque: ALB-a-KER-kee, unless you you're Hispanic: Alb-OO-ker-KAY
>
> Same thing with many New Mexico cities -- las-KROO-sis / lahs-ka-HROO-ses,
> SAN-tuh-fay / SAHN-tah-fay, ell-PA-so / eel-PAHH-so (so that's in Texas, but
> it's close), and so on.
The differences are even more subtle than that, although there are distinct
differences between the proper Spanish pronounciation and the way we Anglos
pronounce it. For example, in Las Cruces, the biggest difference is the r
tends to be rolled by the Spanish speakers. The local Las Cruceans tend to
do an adequate representation of most Spanish words, far better than out-of-area
visitors. Most people who move there learn. That said, there are people who change
the pronounciation of their own name depending on whom they are talking to.
New Mexico is a bilingual state, and as long as people make a good effort, no
one gets too upset. It's the people who live there for years and still butcher
the names that gets most people (of all ethnic backgrounds) upset.
Dyche Anderson
Dyche Anderson
>
> In article <399ED0C0...@nmia.com>, Pat O'Connell <pa...@nmia.com> writes:
>
> >In Indiana, (where I'm originally from) they're particularly good at
> >mangling foreign names:
> >
> >Lafayette: Lah-FEE-et in town, Lay-FEE-et rural.
> >Terre Haute: Ter-ra HOTE in town, Ter-ree HUT rural
> >Versailles: Ver-SAILS
> >Peru: PEE-ROO (equal emphasis on the syllables)
> >Galveston: Gal-VEST-ton (not really foreign, but different from Texas)
> >
>
> To which add DuBois County: "DUE-BOYZ"
The same holds true for the town of DuBois, Pennsylvania.
Dyche Anderson
Dyche Anderson
Ah-mah-REE-yo vs A-ma-RIL-lo.
Dyche Anderson
Stanley Cline
<alexand...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
>Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin (in
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Same in the Chattanooga area (referring to LaFayette, GA)
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Then people must be better about it than they once were: when I was
a kid in Albuquerque, that "y" usually wasn't there.
| Bringing up an oddity: Albuquerque is the county seat of Bernalillo
| County, and Bernalillo is the county seat of Sandoval County.
|
| Speaking of this area, I have links to sites about the construction of
| the Big-I (I40/I25 interchange).
[...]
The New York Times had an article in its travel section this Sunday
about the construction. However, its suggested detour for travelers
to Santa Fe (Yale to Carlisle) didn't tell them how to get from
Yale to Carlisle *or* that the part of Carlisle between Central and
Constitution is a residential neighborhood. San Mateo would have
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> Berlin, WI is BERR lin not ber LIN after it was changed during
WW 2
> when people decided not to have it prounced like Hitlers
Germany!!!!!!!!!
Which certainly qualifies as ironic, seeing as how Germans never
pronounced the name of their city the way English-speakers do anyway.
Chris Bessert
>
> > Berlin, WI is BERR lin not ber LIN after it was changed during
> > WW 2 when people decided not to have it prounced like Hitlers
> > Germany!!!!!!!!!
>
> Which certainly qualifies as ironic, seeing as how Germans never
> pronounced the name of their city the way English-speakers do anyway.
Of course, Berlin, Michigan was changed to Marne during World War I after
the famous French battle. But, left unchanged was the annual Berlin
Fair and the still-operational Berlin Raceway. Go figure.
Later,
Chris
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Alexander Harris wrote:
>
> Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin (in
> Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
> unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
> area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
> to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
I'd imagine it's pronounced "FLOH-muh-tun".
As for Ohio, here are some pronunciations for some places:
Versailles: ver-SAILS
Bellefontaine: bell-FOUN-tin ("bell fountain")
Russia: ROO-shee
Lima: LY-muh
Medina: muh-DY-nuh
Celina: suh-LY-nuh (I know a man who thought it was pronounced
"chuh-LEE-nuh" as if it were Italian.)
As for Cincinnati, I heard a report not long ago that there's a battle
between the east and west sides as to whether the last syllable is
pronounced "ee" or "uh".
Dan Tasman
>That's the Town of Tonawanda, I assume.
Dingdingding! Give that man an I-290 sign!
Dan Tasman
>The differences are even more subtle than that, although there are
>distinct differences between the proper Spanish pronounciation and the
>way we Anglos pronounce it. For example, in Las Cruces, the biggest
>difference is the r tends to be rolled by the Spanish speakers. The
>local Las Cruceans tend to do an adequate representation of most Spanish
>words, far better than out-of-area visitors. Most people who move there
>learn.
When I lived in Cruces, the Spanish speakers would laugh if I butchered a
pronunciation, but that ws about all -- they didn't get offended like
some Polish-Americans when you can't roll a fourteen letter name with two
vowels off your tongue like a Gdansk native. You learn Spanglish and
Norteno pronunciations after a few months. I've heard that rolling the r
in "Cruces" isn't really proper Spanish, but some Spanish speakers do it
anyway, just for fun. The Hispanic news anchors on El Paso English
-language TV stations tend to "overpronounce" Spanish words, but they
usually didn't roll the Cruces "r."
Juarez -- I've heard "war-ez," "WAH-ez," "WAH-dez," and others, by both
Anglos and Hispanics.
I'm reminded of NPR reporters in the late 1980s and early 1990s, with
their affected pronunciation of "neee-KAHH-laah-GUAH," "heel-SAHL-vaah
-DOOR" and other Central American place names. It's not common anymore,
fortunately -- I always thought hearing Anglos pronounce Spanish words as
if they're spoken by a Spanish speaker to be rather silly, and somewhat
insulting as well. Remember that SNL skit with Jimmy Smits, where his
character's new co-workers "overpronounced" any word with Spanish origins
to make him feel more comfortable?
Chris Bessert
>
> As for Cincinnati, I heard a report not long ago that there's a battle
> between the east and west sides as to whether the last syllable is
> pronounced "ee" or "uh".
My wife's 98-year-old grandfather, born in West Middletown and a
resident of Middletown (halfway between Dayton and Cincinnati) since
1923, always says 'sin-sa-NAH-tuh'. My mother-in-law, born in Middle-
town, but a resident of Michigan since 1962, says 'sin-si-NAH-tee',
as do I. I've always wondered just who used the 'uh' vs. 'ee' pro-
nunciations...
henry krinkle
Pat O'Connell wrote:
>
> Alexander Harris wrote:
> >
> > Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> > Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area,
>
> [snip]
> There are a lot of ways the Lafayette is pronounced across the country
>
> In Indiana, (where I'm originally from) they're particularly good at
> mangling foreign names:
Up in Northern Indiana, there is also
La Fontaine: luh FOUNtain (pronounced like the english word)
my other favorites:
Lima, OH (LIME-uh)
Bogota, NJ (buh-GO-tuh)
In Alabama, any name that ends in -e_a is pronounced -ee_a, like Helena
(heh-LEE-nuh), Talladega (ta-luh-DEE-guh), etc. That is pretty foreign
to me.
andrew
> Lafayette: Lah-FEE-et in town, Lay-FEE-et rural.
> Terre Haute: Ter-ra HOTE in town, Ter-ree HUT rural
> Versailles: Ver-SAILS
> Peru: PEE-ROO (equal emphasis on the syllables)
> Galveston: Gal-VEST-ton (not really foreign, but different from Texas)
>
> "Creek" is "Crick," BTW.
>
> The most blatant strange pronunciation of a town name in New Mexico,
> where I live now:
> Madrid: MAD-RID (not ma-DRID, that's a family name here)
>
> Just so you know:
> Albuquerque: ALB-a-KER-kee, unless you you're Hispanic: Alb-OO-ker-KAY
>
Jason L. Bennett
>
> In article <8nmc01$1em$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Douglas Kerr <dke...@oswego.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Here in New York, we have plenty of different pronounciations for names
> > of towns. Here's a sampling of them from what I've heard.
> >
> > Oswego- Ah-swih-go, Ah-sway-go, or Ah-swee-go (locals use first two
> > more)
>
>
> > Syracuse- Seer-a-cues or Sar-uh-ceuse (locals more likely use first one)
>
>
> > Rochester- Rah-chih-ster or Rah-ches-ter
>
> ROCH-ster is more accurate...maybe ROCH-i-ster, but never RAH-CHES-ter.
>
> More:
> Chautauqua: she-TAW-kwuh
more like "sha-TAWK-qua"
> Bergen: BUR-jin
> Le Roy: luh-ROY
> Cuylerville: KYE-ler-vill
> Cayuga: often heard Q-guh, almost indistinguishable from
> Keuka: Q-kuh
> Skaneateles: Skinny Atlas
> Ithaca: ITH-uh-quack ;-)
>
> And one of the most powerful pronunciation tools...initial vowels are
> often short, medial and terminal vowels are usually long:
> Medina: me-DIE-nuh
> Java: JAY-vuh
> Delhi: DELL-hie
> Avon: AA-von rhymes with "have on"
> Corfu: core-FYOO
> Pulaski: pull-ASS-kye (well, hey, that's how they pronounce it!)
> Chili: CHY-lye
> Lima: LYE-muh
> Albion: AL-bee-un as in AL Gore
> Almond: AL-mond same deal
> Ossian: OSH-un
> Canisteo: can-uh-STEE-oh
additionally,
Geneseo: jen-a-SEE-oh - I mention this because I heard a trucker on
the CB last night pronounce this "jen-ES-see-o"
Ischua: ISH-shoe-way
Versailles: ver-SAIL-es
Conewango: con-A-wang-oh
Napoli: na-POLE-eye
Cadiz: KAY-dees
Jason L. Bennett
STE Exit 27 - Hinsdale, NY
Thruway Exit 31 - Utica, NY
Jason L. Bennett
>
> Here in New York, we have plenty of different pronounciations for names
> of towns. Here's a sampling of them from what I've heard.
>
> Oswego- Ah-swih-go, Ah-sway-go, or Ah-swee-go (locals use first two
> more)
> Schenectady- Sken-ect-a-dee
> Poughkeepsie- Po-kip-see
> Canandaigua- Can-an-day-gwa
> Chittenango- Chit-uh-nain-go
> Oneonta- Own-e-on-tuh
> Montauk- Mon-tawk
> Rensselaer- Ren-sell-ear
> Ithaca- Ith-uh-cuh
> Canajoharie- Can-uh-jo-hairy
> Massapequa- Mass-a-pee-qua
> Setauket- Suh-taw-ket
> Ronkonkoma- Ron-kon-kuh-muh
> Buffalo- Buff-low (it sounds like Buff-low when said at a faster pace)
Yes. This is because all of the Canadians took all the "a"'s ;)
> Ilion- Ill-e-in
Hummm... Ilion sounds a lot like Olean: "OH-lee-ann"
> Herkimer- Herk-uh-muhr
I've heard "HER-ka-mer"
> Yonkers- Yon-kurrs
My roommate's former roommate was from Yonkers. He pronounced it:
"YAWN-kaz"
> Chappaqua- Cha-pah-kwah (where Bill and Chelsea Clinton reside now too)
> Gansevoort- Gaines-voart
My favorite. Also "Lamphear" is too. These of course are streets in
Rome, NY.
> Schoharie- Sko-hairy
Jason L. Bennett
STE Exit 27 - Hinsdale, NY
Thruway Exit 31 - Utica, NY
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>
> i have always thought that cayuga and chemung counties were such ugly names
> that they needed to be changed by the state, howabout Auburn and Elmira county,
> or Fair Haven County and Southport County? these sound much much nicer...
>
> winston brownlow
I like the name Cauyga. Chemung doesn't have quite the appeal to it.
Yet, any of them can't be as bad as, say "Cattaraugus" which
translated from it's Indian derivative means "stinky waters".
David J. Greenberger
> my other favorites:
> Lima, OH (LIME-uh)
> Bogota, NJ (buh-GO-tuh)
Let's not forget the New Jersey triumvirate: Mahwah, Rahway, and
Ho-Ho-Kus. (Yes, really, it's hyphenated like that.) Oh, and don't get
Pohatcong, Hopatcong, and Lopatcong mixed up.
James C. Schul
> I say SIR-a-cues with a short i. I don't know where Sarah-cues comes from.
Which reminds me, when I wanted to say "syrup" to my parents I always
said "SAIR-ip", and it drove them crazy!!!
Dyche Anderson
>
> When I lived in Cruces, the Spanish speakers would laugh if I butchered a
> pronunciation, but that ws about all -- they didn't get offended like
> some Polish-Americans when you can't roll a fourteen letter name with two
> vowels off your tongue like a Gdansk native. You learn Spanglish and
> Norteno pronunciations after a few months. I've heard that rolling the r
> in "Cruces" isn't really proper Spanish, but some Spanish speakers do it
> anyway, just for fun. The Hispanic news anchors on El Paso English
> -language TV stations tend to "overpronounce" Spanish words, but they
> usually didn't roll the Cruces "r."
It's more of a flip than a roll, and is not quite an English R. One of the
radio stations (KOBE [ka-o-bay-ay]) I listened to when I lived in Las Cruces
went to Spanish late at night (I had an AM-only radio in my car, so my choices
were limited), so I did pick up a few things. Of course, I moved away in 1987.
>
> Juarez -- I've heard "war-ez," "WAH-ez," "WAH-dez," and others, by both
> Anglos and Hispanics.
It's closer to (but not exactly) HUAR-ez. I worked for a minority owned
business in El Paso for a few years, and not only were the bulk of our
employees Mexican (a term they preferred over Hispanic), but several of
them lived in Juarez (even though they were American citizens). For that
matter, I was the only Anglo in my group of five engineers.
Another point to remember is that, just like English, Spanish pronounciations
also have regional variations. The pronounciations I learned (never having
any formal training) are Southwestern Spanish, and may differ from other parts
of the world.
Dyche Anderson
Dyche Anderson
>
> "James C. Schul" wrote:
> >
> > As for Cincinnati, I heard a report not long ago that there's a battle
> > between the east and west sides as to whether the last syllable is
> > pronounced "ee" or "uh".
>
> resident of Middletown (halfway between Dayton and Cincinnati) since
> 1923, always says 'sin-sa-NAH-tuh'. My mother-in-law, born in Middle-
> town, but a resident of Michigan since 1962, says 'sin-si-NAH-tee',
> as do I. I've always wondered just who used the 'uh' vs. 'ee' pro-
> nunciations...
>
I've heard both, as well, but my college roommate, who was from (and still
lives in) Cincinnati, uses the latter pronounciation.
Dyche Anderson
James C. Schul
> My wife's 98-year-old grandfather, born in West Middletown and a
> resident of Middletown (halfway between Dayton and Cincinnati) since
> 1923, always says 'sin-sa-NAH-tuh'. My mother-in-law, born in Middle-
> town, but a resident of Michigan since 1962, says 'sin-si-NAH-tee',
> as do I. I've always wondered just who used the 'uh' vs. 'ee' pro-
> nunciations...
Having lived in Hamilton (north of Cincy) the first 23 years of my
existence I've always heard people say "sin-si-NAT-ee".
Nathan Perry
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>As for Ohio, here are some pronunciations for some places:
>
>Versailles: ver-SAILS
>Bellefontaine: bell-FOUN-tin ("bell fountain")
>Russia: ROO-shee
>Lima: LY-muh
>Medina: muh-DY-nuh
>Celina: suh-LY-nuh (I know a man who thought it was pronounced
>"chuh-LEE-nuh" as if it were Italian.)
To which I add:
Mantua: MAN-tuh-way or sometimes MAN-duh-way
Milan: MY-luhn
Berlin: BER-lin
Ravenna: RAH-va-nah
Cuyahoga: KY-hoh-guh or KY-hog-uh
(only an out-of-towner would pronounce all four sylables)
Steve Hill
An Ohio Highways Person
Mike St.
Alexander Harris <alexand...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
> Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
> unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
> area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
> to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
Wisconsin-
Waukesha: Walk-e-shaw, not Wau-ke-shaw
Waupaca: Wa-pack-a, not Wa-pak-a
Outagamie Co: I say: Out-a-game-me, not A-tag-a-me
Illinois-
Mattoon: Ma-toon (locals). I used to say Muh-toon.
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David Jensen
"Mike St." <mjst...@hnet.net> wrote in
<C1zo5.2855$Zo5.1...@homer.alpha.net>:
>
>Alexander Harris <alexand...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:8nkus2$iro$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> Many areas mispronounce the names of their towns. For example,
>> Lafayette is pronounced Luh-fay-it in my area, Hurricane is Hur-kin (in
>> Utah too), Cairo is Kay-ro, and Louisville is even Loo-is-ville. (I am
>> unsure of the pronunciation of Kosciusko in Mississippi.) Does your
>> area have any other weird pronunciations? (I'm also curious about how
>> to pronounce Flomaton, a town in Alabama.)
>
>Wisconsin-
>Waukesha: Walk-e-shaw, not Wau-ke-shaw
>Waupaca: Wa-pack-a, not Wa-pak-a
>Outagamie Co: I say: Out-a-game-me, not A-tag-a-me
>
>Illinois-
>Mattoon: Ma-toon (locals). I used to say Muh-toon.
Shawano: Shaw-no
Chequamagon: shwam-e-gon
Lac Courte Oreilles: La-coo-de-ray (the town as the edge of the res. is
Couderay)
Jon Morse
>NEV-A-DA NOT NEV-AHHHHHH-DUH!
Unless you're in Nevada, MO, in which case it's ne-VAY-duh.
Jon Morse
Herndon, VA
via lots of much larger places
Mark Roberts
| >Hurricane, UT is pronounced Hurr-uh-kin. AND TO ALL YOU EAST COASTERS, IT'S
| >NEV-A-DA NOT NEV-AHHHHHH-DUH!
|
| Unless you're in Nevada, MO, in which case it's ne-VAY-duh.
Same in Iowa (or Io-way).
Marc Fannin
> "James C. Schul" <JCS...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >As for Ohio, here are some pronunciations for some places:
> >
> >Versailles: ver-SAILS
> >Bellefontaine: bell-FOUN-tin ("bell fountain")
> >Russia: ROO-shee
> >Lima: LY-muh
> >Medina: muh-DY-nuh
> >Celina: suh-LY-nuh (I know a man who thought it was pronounced
> >"chuh-LEE-nuh" as if it were Italian.)
>
> To which I add:
>
> Mantua: MAN-tuh-way or sometimes MAN-duh-way
Or "MAN-uh-way" (like "Manaway")
> Milan: MY-luhn
> Berlin: BER-lin
> Ravenna: RAH-va-nah
I've only ever heard it this way when people were mocking the name.
Every time else it's been "ruh-VEHN-uh" (including in all spoken media).
> Cuyahoga: KY-hoh-guh or KY-hog-uh
> (only an out-of-towner would pronounce all four sylables)
Chardon: "SHAHR-duhn" or "SHAHR-d'n"
BTW, these things vary: Nearly every pronunciation Chris Bessert gave
in his post on Michigan places was different from the way I've always
pronounced them, and I'm as much from Michigan as he is (except that he
still lives there). So being from a certain place doesn't always mean
you know the correct pronunciation.
(I love how the most popular threads on m.t.r are off-topic. I wonder
if that means anything.)
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Chris Bessert
>
> Waupaca: Wa-pack-a, not Wa-pak-a
What's the difference between these?
Do you mean 'wau PACK uh' vs. 'WAU puh ka'?
Just curious,
David Jensen
Des Plaines, Illinois
des planes, ill-uh-noy
Richard Ray
Pronounced like it looks - FLOW MA TON
Rich
Mike St.
Chris Bessert <Bess...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike St." wrote:
> >
> > Waupaca: Wa-pack-a, not Wa-pak-a
>
> What's the difference between these?
>
> Do you mean 'wau PACK uh' vs. 'WAU puh ka'?
>
> Just curious,
> Chris
The difference is basically in the "a." The "Pak" is just like the golfer's
last name. (This error is from The Weather Channel)
Chris Bessert
Marc Fannin wrote:
>
> BTW, these things vary: Nearly every pronunciation Chris Bessert gave
> in his post on Michigan places was different from the way I've always
> pronounced them, and I'm as much from Michigan as he is (except that he
> still lives there).
Nyah, nyah, nyah... ;^)
> So being from a certain place doesn't always mean you know the correct
> pronunciation.
So true! It wasn't until the 1980s that I figured out how to pronounce
Baraga ('BEAR uh ga,' not 'buh RAY ga'), and I finally figured out
Gogebic ('go GI bick,' not 'GO jee bick') in the early 90s... and that
was primarily from visiting those places!
> (I love how the most popular threads on m.t.r are off-topic. I wonder
> if that means anything.)
It means we don't have one-track-minds? :^)
Later,
Chris Bessert
>
> Chris Bessert <Bess...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:39A2E1C4...@aol.com...
> > "Mike St." wrote:
> > >
> > > Waupaca: Wa-pack-a, not Wa-pak-a
> >
> > What's the difference between these?
> >
> > Do you mean 'wau PACK uh' vs. 'WAU puh ka'?
> >
> > Just curious,
> > Chris
>
> The difference is basically in the "a." The "Pak" is just like the golfer's
> last name.
Unfortunately, I don't follow golf, so the analogy is somewhat lost on
me...
William R Ward
> For good measure, here are some dumb California pronunciations:
> El Sobrante - L So Brawny
> Contra Costa - Would be "Cantra Casta" in Spanish
> Alameda - See Contra Costa
> St. Helena - Saint Ha-Lee-Na
> Los Angeles - Loss Ann-Ja-Lis (incorrect)
> Marin - Ma-Rin (with the accent on the second syllable)
Contra Costa is the correct spelling for Spanish (it means "oppsite
coast"), but it's pronounced "CON-tra COST-a" in English (that's CON
as in "Congress"; COST as in "the cost of tea in China"). Correct
Spanish pronunciation would be more like the English words "cone" and
"coast".
My favorite California place name screwup is "Los Banos". Of course
it should be "Los BaƱos" (The baths) but the ~ got lost somewhere
along the line. And it's pronounced "Lahs-BANN-us." Argh.
--Bill.
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William R Ward
> A J Harris wrote:
> > For good measure, here are some dumb California pronunciations:
> >
> > El Sobrante - L So Brawny
>
The line in the movie (sampled in the subsequent song) is "me so
horny," not "me so brawny."
William R Ward
> I like the name Cauyga. Chemung doesn't have quite the appeal to it.
> Yet, any of them can't be as bad as, say "Cattaraugus" which
> translated from it's Indian derivative means "stinky waters".
Me too. Reminds me of the sound of an old-fashioned car horn.
Cuh-YOOOOO-guh.
ObRoads: There's a Cayuga St. in the neighborhood where I live.
William R Ward
>
> Chi-CAW-go (CAW rhymes with LAW)
>
> Chi-CAA-go (CAA rhymes with MA)
In my voice, "LAW" and "MA" rhyme with each other.
We should be using the International Phonetic Alphabet (or at least
its ASCII version) for this. Trouble is, it's hard to remember. For
more information, including little .wav files, see:
http://www.alt-usage-english.org/ipa/ascii_ipa_combined.shtml
I bet you're using /A/ for "law" and /a/ for "ma"; I use /a/ for both.
But then, I'm from California, and therefore weird. ;-)
Scott M. Kozel
>
> Strangest contrast:
>
> Des Plaines, Illinois
> des planes, ill-uh-noy
How about - Chicago -
Chi-CAW-go (CAW rhymes with LAW)
Chi-CAA-go (CAA rhymes with MA)
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Winston969
Yet, any of them can't be as bad as, say "Cattaraugus" which
translated from it's Indian derivative means "stinky waters".>>
why do you like the name cayuga? saying chemung doesnt have the appeal is
putting it very nicely; it rythems with dung!!! at cattaraugus doesnt sound so
bad in english? on a related note, i think that all of the indian tribes that
have been suing the state for land should have their names removed from
counties and replaced with counties in england, that would punish them...
winston brownlow
Scott M. Kozel
> > > Strangest contrast:
> > >
> > > Des Plaines, Illinois
> > > des planes, ill-uh-noy
> >
> > How about - Chicago -
> >
> > Chi-CAW-go (CAW rhymes with LAW)
> >
> > Chi-CAA-go (CAA rhymes with MA)
>
CAA as in the "a" in FATHER. A short "a".
> We should be using the International Phonetic Alphabet (or at least
> its ASCII version) for this. Trouble is, it's hard to remember. For
> more information, including little .wav files, see:
>
> http://www.alt-usage-english.org/ipa/ascii_ipa_combined.shtml
>
> I bet you're using /A/ for "law" and /a/ for "ma"; I use /a/ for both.
> But then, I'm from California, and therefore weird. ;-)
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> ad...@interlog.com writes:
> > A J Harris wrote:
> > > For good measure, here are some dumb California pronunciations:
> > >
> > > El Sobrante - L So Brawny
> >
> > L Love You Long Time?
>
> The line in the movie (sampled in the subsequent song) is "me so
> horny," not "me so brawny."
>
> --Bill.
[oh, no, another guy who doesn't get irony]
I *know* that. It's just that the similarity is close enough to spur the gag...
Mike St.
Mike St. <mjst...@hnet.net> wrote in message
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>
> Chris Bessert <Bess...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:39A2E1C4...@aol.com...
> > "Mike St." wrote:
> > >
> > > Waupaca: Wa-pack-a, not Wa-pak-a
> >
> > What's the difference between these?
> >
> > Do you mean 'wau PACK uh' vs. 'WAU puh ka'?
> >
> > Just curious,
> > Chris
>
> The difference is basically in the "a." The "Pak" is just like the
golfer's
Or, in "pak," the "a" is like the air in father.
mark_h...@my-deja.com
> . . . I finally figured out
> Gogebic ('go GI bick,' not 'GO jee bick') in the early 90s... and that
> was primarily from visiting those places!
it was GO gi bick.
Marc Fannin
> Marc Fannin wrote, re places in Michigan:
>
> > So being from a certain place doesn't always mean you know the
> > correct pronunciation.
>
> So true! It wasn't until the 1980s that I figured out how to pronounce
> Baraga ('BEAR uh ga,' not 'buh RAY ga'), and I finally figured out
> Gogebic ('go GI bick,' not 'GO jee bick') in the early 90s... and that
> was primarily from visiting those places!
Here's one for the masses: Dowagiac. (Answer somewhere on my
website....)
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Richard C. Moeur
>
> So true! It wasn't until the 1980s that I figured out how to pronounce
> Baraga ('BEAR uh ga,' not 'buh RAY ga'), and I finally figured out
> Gogebic ('go GI bick,' not 'GO jee bick') in the early 90s... and that
> was primarily from visiting those places!
My Yooper wife, who's from "Trout Crick", not "Trout Creek"
(on M-28, of course), nearly busted a gut laughing when I
first pronounced Baraga in the only logical way to this
Zonie native:
"Bah-rah-gah"
(and yes, I butchered Gogebic the first time as well).
Of course, she's gotten better at all the Arizona place
name pronunciation idiosyncrasies as well over the years,
such as Mazatzal, Mogollon, Tohono O'odham, etc...
P.S. My grandmother was born in Gisela, AZ - which is
properly pronounced "Guy-see-lah".
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Jon Morse
>have been suing the state for land should have their names removed from
>counties and replaced with counties in england, that would punish them...
Racist pig, too. Nice.
Brandon M. Gorte
: Bess...@aol.com wrote:
: > Marc Fannin wrote, re places in Michigan:
: >
: > > So being from a certain place doesn't always mean you know the
: > > correct pronunciation.
: >
: > So true! It wasn't until the 1980s that I figured out how to pronounce
: > Baraga ('BEAR uh ga,' not 'buh RAY ga'), and I finally figured out
: > Gogebic ('go GI bick,' not 'GO jee bick') in the early 90s... and that
: > was primarily from visiting those places!
: Here's one for the masses: Dowagiac. (Answer somewhere on my
: website....)
Pronounced: doe-we-gi-ack :-)
Brandon Gorte
Undergrad in Geological Engineering
Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI
http://www.crosswinds.net/~bmgorte/freeway.html
bmg...@hotmail.com ; bmg...@mtu.edu
Madrunner
"Dog Patch". Lil' Abner would have been proud. I still don't know the
answer....
On a reltaed note, I also don't know the correct pronounciation of
"Watervliet", if you can give it to me.
> Here's one for the masses: Dowagiac. (Answer somewhere on my
> website....)
>
Dyche Anderson
>
> > . . . I finally figured out
> > Gogebic ('go GI bick,' not 'GO jee bick') in the early 90s... and that
> > was primarily from visiting those places!
> it was GO gi bick.
There are many people in the UP who always put the stress on the first
syllable. This is for a good reason, as Finnish is the largest ethnic group
in the UP and in Finnish, the stress is ALWAYS on the first syllable. However,
when I lived in the UP (and I had friends from Gogebic County), it was always
pronounced go GI bick.
Dyche Anderson
Dyche Anderson
>
> BTW, these things vary: Nearly every pronunciation Chris Bessert gave
> in his post on Michigan places was different from the way I've always
> pronounced them, and I'm as much from Michigan as he is (except that he
> you know the correct pronunciation.
>
One thing: could some of your pronounciation "differences" be due to the
way you interpret the phonetic spellings? On the other hand, I pretty
much agree with Chris on his pronounciations. Michigan is such a big state
(for those of you who are geographically challenged, it's over 600 miles
end to end) that if you don't live in an area, you may not know how the
locals pronounce it. Baraga, Gogebic, Calumet, and Charlotte are all
good examples.
Dyche Anderson
ad...@interlog.com
> Marc Fannin <musx...@kent.edu> wrote:
> : Bess...@aol.com wrote:
>
> : > Marc Fannin wrote, re places in Michigan:
> : >
> : > > So being from a certain place doesn't always mean you know the
> : > > correct pronunciation.
> : >
> : > So true! It wasn't until the 1980s that I figured out how to pronounce
> : > Baraga ('BEAR uh ga,' not 'buh RAY ga'), and I finally figured out
> : > Gogebic ('go GI bick,' not 'GO jee bick') in the early 90s... and that
> : > was primarily from visiting those places!
>
> : Here's one for the masses: Dowagiac. (Answer somewhere on my
> : website....)
>
> Pronounced: doe-we-gi-ack :-)
You sound like you've been Heimlich'd
Chris Bessert
>
> why do you like the name cayuga? saying chemung doesnt have the appeal is
> putting it very nicely; it rythems with dung!!! at cattaraugus doesnt sound so
> bad in english? on a related note, i think that all of the indian tribes that
> have been suing the state for land should have their names removed from
> counties and replaced with counties in england, that would punish them...
What the Hell is wrong with you? Punish them for having their land taken
away from them? That's a novel idea...
One or two more assinine statements like this and you'll be thoroughly
ignored on this newsgroup, much like Dylan Lainhart, Tim "Dubbya" Brown,
and to a certain degree, Alexanderharris.
Chris Bessert
>
> Madrunner <kke...@cptc.wisc.edu.nospam> wrote:
>
> > [I wrote:]
> >
> > > Here's one for the masses: Dowagiac. (Answer somewhere on my
> > > website....)
> >
> > "Dog Patch". Lil' Abner would have been proud. I still don't know
> > the answer....
>
I tend to go with 'DWAH zjyak' with two-ish syllables, but then again,
I have been wrong in the past... :^)
> > On a reltaed note, I also don't know the correct pronounciation of
> > "Watervliet", if you can give it to me.
>
> wah-t'r-VLEET or sometimes wah-t'r-vuh-LEET
My choice is the first one. Then again, two years in Kalamazoo and
Holland really don't qualify me as a Watervlietian.. :^)
Chris Bessert
>
> Marc Fannin wrote:
> >
> > BTW, these things vary: Nearly every pronunciation Chris Bessert gave
> > in his post on Michigan places was different from the way I've always
> > pronounced them, and I'm as much from Michigan as he is (except that he
> > you know the correct pronunciation.
>
> way you interpret the phonetic spellings? On the other hand, I pretty
> much agree with Chris on his pronounciations. Michigan is such a big state
> (for those of you who are geographically challenged, it's over 600 miles
> end to end) that if you don't live in an area, you may not know how the
> locals pronounce it. Baraga, Gogebic, Calumet, and Charlotte are all
> good examples.
That's one of the things I wasn't looking forward to when moving back
to Southeast Michigan... listening to ads on the Detroit TV stations
for House of Denmark Furniture with a location in 'oh KEE mohse'!!
Okemos is 'OH kuh miss' damnit! :^)
ObRoads: I also wasn't looking foward to the traffic, either. I am
starting to miss 'rush hour' in Holland, which meant sitting through
TWO light cycles on US-31 at 32nd St, or waiting for a pump at the
Meijer gas station, or there being FOUR cars in line at the 16th St
Wendy's... Now, it takes my wife over an hour (w/construction +
traffic) to get from Providence Hospital in Southfield to western
Farmington Hills... 13-15 miles away... I looooove Detroit traffic!
Marc Fannin
> [I wrote:]
>
> > Here's one for the masses: Dowagiac. (Answer somewhere on my
> > website....)
>
> My father used to like that one.... He called it "Dog Shack" and later
> "Dog Patch". Lil' Abner would have been proud. I still don't know
> the answer....
doh-WAH-jyak
> On a reltaed note, I also don't know the correct pronounciation of
> "Watervliet", if you can give it to me.
wah-t'r-VLEET or sometimes wah-t'r-vuh-LEET I'm assuming the one in
New York is also pronounced this way. (I just happened to spend the
first nine months of my life in wah-t'r-vuh-LEET, Michigan.)
Jason L. Bennett
Would you want your county named after "stinky waters"?
What of these "Indian" county names you speak of? You have to mean
names like Seneca, Cayuga, et al if that's indeed what you're
referring to. Yet, in all actuality, these names are still
Englishized and therefore really aren't truly "Indian" by any sense of
the word. These are the "white man's" names and not the true Indian
names.
As for the "tribes" (you call them), the Indian Nations that are suing
for land from the state is a real treat for the many decent innocent
homeowners, like the Salamanca 16, who now must pay to live on an
Indian reservation. The Indians were champions of "no one can own
land" ideals. I guess that's what almost 500 years of white men will
do to a "tribe". I think the Indians should be more akin to the Amish
people. Live their lives in their own ways while others go about
their normal daily American lives.
Jason L. Bennett
STE Exit 27 - Hinsdale, NY
Thruway Exit 31 - Utica, NY
--
Going to burn my soapbox now.
Winston969
>away from them? That's a novel idea...
you obviously have not been following this story...to get you up to speed,
indians in Oneida and Madison counties are suing not only the state but also
have named the landowners in that area as defendants...of course the locals are
outraged! there actually have been proposals to rename Oneida county because it
is the Oneida indians who are prosecuting this horrible business...so its not
that absurd, chris
winston brownlow