Columbus to Philadelphia and back roadtrip

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Sandor G

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Sep 6, 2002, 1:38:58 AM9/6/02
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Drove to Media (suburban Philadelphia), Pa and back for a job interview.
Day 1 Route was Delaware Co. roads to Oh 61 S to Oh 37 E then S to I-70E,
sidetrip through Wheeling along US 40, back to I-70 E to I-76 E to Pa 283 E
to US 222 S to Pa 462 E to US 30 E to Pa 100 S to US 202 S to Pa 3 E to Pa
352 S to motel near the interchange between Pa 352 and US 1 (just west of
Media).

Oh 605 has to be the most abused route by ODOT in recent memory. :-)
It's south end now "dangles" (used to end at Oh 161 before it was rerouted).
It's north end was shortened by 5 miles so ODOT could extend Oh 750 from Oh
315 to I-71. The former Oh 605 section was renamed by Delaware Co. as County
Road 605 (that is the name)
At the risk of attracting the attention of one Bobby Peacock. I noticed a
sign for a Ben Franklin 5-10 cent store in Johnstown,Oh (20 NE of Columbus)

Bridge Deck work is occurring along I-70 between Oh 13 and Gratiot. Could
be a possible prelude to widening I-70 to Zanesville.

Nothing new in West Virginia.

Noticed that the Pa Turnpike is going to be realigned just east of the
Donegal exit. A hill that the turnpike was originally routed around, now
appears to have the turnpike going over it (Just surprised it's occurring
now, and not earlier).

I'm not sure what the original exit layout was for US 1 & Pa 352, but it has
been made into some form of a cloverleaf that redesign could only help.

Day 2 Around Philadelphia route. US 1 N to Pa 252 S to Pa 320 S to Pa 291 W
then circles in and around Chester including US 13, Pa 352, Pa 291, Pa 452,
and I-95 till finally north on I-95 to Pa 420 N to Pa 320 N to US 1 N to Pa
3 E to 16th St (in Philadelphia) N to I-676 W to I-76 W to US 1 S to US 30 W
to Business US 30 W to US 322 E to US 202 S to PA 3 E to Pa 352 S to US 1 S
(break for dinner), continue south on US 1 to US 202 S to I-95 N to I-476 N
to US 1 S to Pa 352 S (for 1,000 ft) to hotel.

For those who like tracking old roads. "Old Baltimore Pike does have a
western connection with the SW cloverleaf quadrant of the US 1/Pa 352
interchange. But it does NOT have a eastern connection with current
Baltimore Pike outside Media anymore. Most maps show this as an opposite.
The "old" B-more pike in it's original concrete(?) still exists so one can
see the 4 stage progression of US 1 to the west of Media.

How does Wiedner Univ. eke out an existence with it's neighbor of Chester
City to the south?
Does the borough of Upland thank PennDOT for the I-95 chasm everyday?
Nothing like travel a "state route" and coming to a fourway stop with an
abandoned traffic light still standing overhead.
There are pockets of hope for the survival of Chester, but there is still
plenty of poverty and "forgotten" areas there.
It is just sad.

The city of Philadelphia had the right idea, once upon a time, in having
(digital?) signs telling motorists at which speed the traffic lights are
timed for. There are plenty of these signs, now non-functioning, along
Chestnut St. between Cobbs Creek Pkwy and Penn/Drexel Univs.

With this last little jaunt I was able to complete my driving of the Lincoln
Highway.*

Saw a sign assembly mentioning both US 1 & US 13 along City (Line) Ave. just
south of Bala. No mention of a bypass routing with either shield.

Underneath every City Ave street sign was an US 1 shield mentioning which
direction was north and south. I did not notice any other state or US route
getting this treatment in the region.

Why is there two open grate bridges along US 322 between Downingtown and
West Chester, but (besides the Delaware River crossings) no others within 30
miles?

While I'm at it; what is the long (and tall!) train trestle that goes over
US 322 south of Downingtown?

Traveling the "north" section of the West Chester By-pass, I was struck by
it's similarities to Ohio Super 2 standards.

What's with the grade separation along US 202 between US 1 and the Delaware
State line?

And how close to the Pa State line is Concord mall?

Why does DelDOT sign US 202 as ending (thus begin Del 202) when it's
continuing with I-95?

I forget where I saw it (either US 202, I-95 or I-476) but PennDOT is taking
a page from CalTrans and using shrubbery as a medium barrier instead of
concrete, box rail, or open space.

Day 3 - homeward bound. Pa 352 N (150 ft) to Old Baltimore Pike to
Baltimore Pike, various streets in Media to Pa 252 N to various roads that
used to be signed as Pa 252 forty to fifty years ago to US 30 W, with
various sidetrips along any drivable Old Lincoln Hwys and Old Lancaster Rds,
to Pa 29 N to US 202 S to US 30 W to Business US 30 W to US 30 W to Pa 462 W
to Pa 72 N to Pa 283 W to I-283 N to I-83 S to Pa 581 W to I-81 S to I-76 W
to I-70 W to I-270 counter-clockwise to I-71 N to US 36 E various Delaware
Co. rds home

Had to redouble some steps along the way because some pictures I thought
I've taken before, I discovered to have not occurred. Thus the trip to
Media and Wayne before heading west.

Found a concrete 1928 Lincoln Highway post near Malvern. Of note is that it
shows to turn right to continue along the LH, but it is impossible to turn
right there today (you turn left towards Central Ave and back to present day
US 30 instead of turning right and heading into the SEPTA/Amtrack rails)

Of bizarre interchanges, I do believe the I-83/I-283/US 322 interchange near
Harrisburg only allows 1 through lane for all directions of travel. Not
good.

Also not good is the bridge abutment in the middle of the merge lane of the
US 15/US 11/Pa 581 interchange (I noticed this heading WB).

For those interested in bridges, I think the Pa Turnpike has just about
every type of bridge support style and paint color along the turnpike from
Breezewood to New Stanton.

That's it!

--
Sandor G
Graduate - Ohio State, March 02
www.roadfan.com


Rush Wickes

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Sep 6, 2002, 2:33:16 AM9/6/02
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"Sandor G" <bt...@bright.net> wrote in message
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> Why is there two open grate bridges along US 322 between Downingtown and
> West Chester, but (besides the Delaware River crossings) no others within
30
> miles?

There are quite a few open grate crossings of the Brandywine and smaller
tributaries well within reach of West Chester. Ones along PA 926 and 842
come to mind.

> What's with the grade separation along US 202 between US 1 and the
Delaware
> State line?

If you're referring to the 'island' of properties between the two
roadways -- I would guess that the southbound side was the 'original'
roadway, back when it was a lightly traveled Concord Pike.


> And how close to the Pa State line is Concord mall?

About 1 mile or so.

> Why does DelDOT sign US 202 as ending (thus begin Del 202) when it's
> continuing with I-95?

They do sign US 202 along Interstate 95 -- I believe the end sign, however
erroneous is meant to signify the 'end' of the Concord Pike and the
beginning of Wilmington's urban street network.

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Blacksburg, VA


Sandor G

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Sep 6, 2002, 11:18:12 AM9/6/02
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"Rush Wickes" <ru...@rush-w.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sandor G" <bt...@bright.net> wrote in message
> news:WbXd9.8530$pv6.9...@cletus.bright.net...
> > Why is there two open grate bridges along US 322 between Downingtown and
> > West Chester, but (besides the Delaware River crossings) no others
within 30
> > miles?
>
> There are quite a few open grate crossings of the Brandywine and smaller
> tributaries well within reach of West Chester. Ones along PA 926 and 842
> come to mind.

I guess I need to drive beyond US 30, 202, 322, and Pa 3. I didn't realize
they were the norm.

> > What's with the grade separation along US 202 between US 1 and the
> Delaware
> > State line?
>
> If you're referring to the 'island' of properties between the two
> roadways -- I would guess that the southbound side was the 'original'
> roadway, back when it was a lightly traveled Concord Pike.
>
>
> > And how close to the Pa State line is Concord mall?
>
> About 1 mile or so.
>
> > Why does DelDOT sign US 202 as ending (thus begin Del 202) when it's
> > continuing with I-95?
>
> They do sign US 202 along Interstate 95 -- I believe the end sign, however
> erroneous is meant to signify the 'end' of the Concord Pike and the
> beginning of Wilmington's urban street network.

I've seen the signs for US 202 along I-95 previously. I was just
dumbfounded at the end sign there.


> --
> Rush Wickes -- remove the '-' to reply via e-mail
> Blacksburg, VA

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Sandy Smith

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Sep 7, 2002, 3:18:36 AM9/7/02
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Sandor G wrote:

> Day 2 Around Philadelphia route.[...]


Passing just yards from my office (3600 Chestnut St -- at this point, PA
3 eastbound is on Market) and not a word...


> Does the borough of Upland thank PennDOT for the I-95 chasm everyday?


Oh, I'm sure it does.

> Underneath every City Ave street sign was an US 1 shield mentioning which
> direction was north and south. I did not notice any other state or US route
> getting this treatment in the region.


Those signs were erected by the Traffic Engineering division of the
Philadelphia Department of Streets. You won't see the white-on-green
signs with "shoulders" and house numbering coordinates anywhere outside
the city. The city does have similar signs on a few other local streets
that are state highways. There's even a blooper on one of them,
Cottman Ave in the Northeast (PA 73, E-W) -- the sign has a *US* 73
shield where the PA keystone should be.

I've also seen one of these on Frankford Ave in the Mayfair area (where
US 13 follows it).

> And how close to the Pa State line is Concord mall?


About 1/2 mile. DE 92 roughly follows the state line just inside Delaware.

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Managing Editor, _Penn Current_ cur...@pobox.upenn.edu
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