Kansas Turnpike Service Plazas
Maryszch
and food. Help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris Marysz
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/6948/index.html
Richie Kennedy
<199807210530...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>Does anyone have info on service plazas on the Kansas Trunpike such as
fuel,
>and food. Help would be appreciated.
All service plazas have a fast-food restarant and a fast food restarant
Locations
Lawrence (a few miles east of town)
Topeka (Just off the East Topeka Interchange)
Emporia (on I-335 section NE of Emporia)
Cassoday (A VERY small town for a stop on the Turnpike)
Towanda-El Dorado (SW of K-254 interchange)
Wellington (N of US 160)
Hope this helps
Richie Kennedy
Rockin' Down the Kansas Highways
Ron Newman
<rou...@sunflower.com> wrote:
> All service plazas have a fast-food restarant and a fast food restarant
One of each?
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Richie Kennedy
Ron Newman wrote in message ...
>> All service plazas have a fast-food restarant and a fast food restarant
>
>One of each?
>
Service Station and Fast Food Resturant--oops.
Exile on Market Street
> Maryszch wrote in message
> <199807210530...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
> >Does anyone have info on service plazas on the Kansas Trunpike such as
> fuel,
> >and food. Help would be appreciated.
>
>
> All service plazas have a fast-food restarant and a fast food restarant
>
> Locations
>
> Lawrence (a few miles east of town)
> Topeka (Just off the East Topeka Interchange)
> Emporia (on I-335 section NE of Emporia)
> Cassoday (A VERY small town for a stop on the Turnpike)
I thought that service plaza was called Matfield Green. Or I may have
another plaza in mind -- it's in Chase County, SW of Emporia. The maps in
William Least Heat-Moon's _PrairyErth_ show it.
And what happened to the sit-down restaurants? Were these all replaced by
fast food?
Savarin (the company that makes "the coffee of El Exigente") ran the
restaurants on the Kansas Turnpike through the 1960's; HoJo's ran them
through the '70s. Who runs them now, and what are they called?
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Richie Kennedy <rou...@sunflower.com> wrote in article
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> Maryszch wrote in message
> <199807210530...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
> >Does anyone have info on service plazas on the Kansas Trunpike such as
> fuel,
> >and food. Help would be appreciated.
>
>
> All service plazas have a fast-food restarant and a fast food restarant
>
> Locations
>
> Lawrence (a few miles east of town)
> Topeka (Just off the East Topeka Interchange)
> Emporia (on I-335 section NE of Emporia)
> Cassoday (A VERY small town for a stop on the Turnpike)
> Towanda-El Dorado (SW of K-254 interchange)
> Wellington (N of US 160)
More:
the fast food resturant: Hardee's (unless it has been converted to Carl's
Jr)
gas: BP?
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DaBoMbHa97
Coastal Service Station and a Hardees.
BTW the KTA logo on James Lin's site is wrong the KTA logo thats is most common
has 20 peadals not 16 but there is a version of the KTA logo that has 16
peadals but the KTA letters are yellow and the shield has no white outline
border.
Christopher G Knight, Kansas City, KS
South Of Sawblade Route 5 (Kansas 5)
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Stop ClearCut fonting on road signs in Kansas
Coming soon I hope a Kansas City Area Highway Page. I've been working on the
Secondary Route descriptions.
Ron Newman
smi...@pobox.upenn.edu says...
>And what happened to the sit-down restaurants? Were these all replaced by
>fast food?
Sandy asked this about the Kansas Turnpike, but I'll repost the question
in general. Are there *any* sit-down restaurants at *any* service areas
anywhere in the US anymore?
I have fond memories of Howard Johnson's stops on various toll roads
as a young kid....
Texas HighwayMan
>gas: BP?
Last time I was on the KTA, I seem to recall the gas stations were Texaco.
The fast food was Hardees (I fondly remember the HoJo days, too.)
All of the service areas are in the median.
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Christopher Blaney
>Sandy asked this about the Kansas Turnpike, but I'll repost the question
>in general. Are there *any* sit-down restaurants at *any* service areas
>anywhere in the US anymore?
Many of the northeastern tollroad service areas have Big Boy restaurants
that are sit-down; I especially think of the Delaware House, Maryland House,
and Chesapeake House service areas along the JFK Highway between Wilmington
and Baltimore.
Chris Blaney
Jonathan Brent White
>
> In article <smiths-ya02408000...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
> smi...@pobox.upenn.edu says...
>
> >And what happened to the sit-down restaurants? Were these all replaced by
> >fast food?
>
> in general. Are there *any* sit-down restaurants at *any* service areas
> anywhere in the US anymore?
The New Jersey Turnpike, the NE Extension of the Penna Turnpike (I-476)
and the NYS Thruway Southern extension (I-87 south of Albany) all have
sit-downs at some of their service plazas. I think they all are Bob's
Big Boy, but they all are sit-downs.
I know; I've eaten at one on each of the above highways.
Michael Kotler
<chan...@goes.com> wrote:
>Ron Newman wrote in message <6p332f$3...@edrn.newsguy.com>...
>>Sandy asked this about the Kansas Turnpike, but I'll repost the question
>>in general. Are there *any* sit-down restaurants at *any* service areas
>>anywhere in the US anymore?
>Many of the northeastern tollroad service areas have Big Boy restaurants
>that are sit-down; I especially think of the Delaware House, Maryland House,
>and Chesapeake House service areas along the JFK Highway between Wilmington
>and Baltimore.
Yeah, but don't those places have a cafeteria-style line where you
pick up your food, pay, and then carry it to your table? I think the
kind of "sit-down" restaurant he is talking about is the kind where
you wait to be seated, and a waiter or waitress takes your order, you
leave a tip, etc..
I, too, remember seeing genuine sit-down Howard Johnsons' all over the
New Jersey, Pennsylvania and (may have been a different contractor)
Ohio Turnpikes. To the best of my knowledge they've all ben replaced
with food courts and/or restaurants with cafeteria lines, such as
Sbarro's. The reason is just one word: expedience. Note: I think I
remember seeing a Denny's on the first plaza on the eastbound NY
Thruway (the one in the median with the pedestrian bridge). What's
that one like?
I have noticed, too, an increase in amenities like sundry shops,
arcades, and tourist information desks. I've even seen pay-fax
machines and even a pay-Internet terminal for checking e-mail.
Dave Schul
>More:
>the fast food resturant: Hardee's (unless it has been converted to Carl's
>Jr)
>gas: BP?
>--
>Kim (Harv) Harvey -- who has been on the I-70 part of the KT
I heard that Carl Karcher Enterprises bought Hardees, but are they
going to turn all the restaurants into Carl's Jrs? They've only
recently started building Carl's Jrs east of the Rockies in the past
couple years, it seems.
Re BP -- I've never seen one of those stations anywhere near Kansas --
the closest ones must be in Indiana.
Dave Schul
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Dave Schul
>HP Authorized Customer wrote:
>>gas: BP?
>Last time I was on the KTA, I seem to recall the gas stations were Texaco.
>The fast food was Hardees (I fondly remember the HoJo days, too.)
The service stations were all Coastal last year, but at least two
(Topeka and Lawrence) switched to Conoco this year.
All of the restaurants are Hardees, except for the one at Emporia,
which is a McDonalds.
Rush Wickes
<jbwhi...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>Ron Newman wrote:
>>
>> In article <smiths-ya02408000...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
>> smi...@pobox.upenn.edu says...
>>
>> >And what happened to the sit-down restaurants? Were these all replaced by
>> >fast food?
>>
>> Sandy asked this about the Kansas Turnpike, but I'll repost the question
>> in general. Are there *any* sit-down restaurants at *any* service areas
>> anywhere in the US anymore?
>
>The New Jersey Turnpike, the NE Extension of the Penna Turnpike (I-476)
>and the NYS Thruway Southern extension (I-87 south of Albany) all have
>sit-downs at some of their service plazas. I think they all are Bob's
>Big Boy, but they all are sit-downs.
The New Jersey Turnpike has a really good sit-down restaurant at the
Molly Pitcher Service Area (milepost 71, southbound). I last ate
there in 1996 and if I remember correctly it is the 'Country Kitchen'.
I was quite pleased to have a spaghetti dinner there as opposed to the
typical fast-food served exclusively at most service areas.
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James D Thompson
> I heard that Carl Karcher Enterprises bought Hardees, but are they
> going to turn all the restaurants into Carl's Jrs? They've only
> recently started building Carl's Jrs east of the Rockies in the past
> couple years, it seems.
If they've got any sense, they'll learn from the Hardee's/Roy Rogers
fiasco a few years ago.
> Re BP -- I've never seen one of those stations anywhere near Kansas --
> the closest ones must be in Indiana.
There are some in Virginia, but they're fairly uncommon.
David Thompson
Ray Mullins
Dave Schul <map...@ukanx.edu> wrote:
>"HP Authorized Customer" <k...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>More:
>>the fast food resturant: Hardee's (unless it has been converted to Carl's
>>Jr)
>>gas: BP?
>
>>--
>>Kim (Harv) Harvey -- who has been on the I-70 part of the KT
>
>going to turn all the restaurants into Carl's Jrs? They've only
>recently started building Carl's Jrs east of the Rockies in the past
>couple years, it seems.
The Corporate Vision (tm) from CKE is to combine the best of Hardees and
CJ's. The CJ menu will gradually take over, with the Hardees cinnamon
raisin biscuits and some other breakfast items staying, and maybe a few
of the "regular" items as well. The Hardees brand will go away eventually.
No word on if a combination of CKE's The Green Burrito co-branding (CJ and
TGB restaurants combined) and Taco Bueno (regional TX/OK) will occur.
Fer more info, go to http://www.burgers.com/.
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through early 1970's
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Christopher Blaney
>Yeah, but don't those places have a cafeteria-style line where you
>pick up your food, pay, and then carry it to your table? I think the
>kind of "sit-down" restaurant he is talking about is the kind where
>you wait to be seated, and a waiter or waitress takes your order, you
>leave a tip, etc..
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. "Big Boy" restaurants are that
kind of sit-down place to eat. They are franchised by Marriott, who owns or
operates a lot of the northeastern toll road service plazas.
Chris Blaney
Ron Newman
> Dave Schul wrote:
>
> > I heard that Carl Karcher Enterprises bought Hardees, but are they
> > going to turn all the restaurants into Carl's Jrs? They've only
> > recently started building Carl's Jrs east of the Rockies in the past
> > couple years, it seems.
>
> If they've got any sense, they'll learn from the Hardee's/Roy Rogers
> fiasco a few years ago.
What fiasco was this? There are many Roy Rogers restaurants at
service areas in Massachusetts; I think these are all of the
fast-food, not sit-down variety.
M. Hale
>> fiasco a few years ago.
>
>What fiasco was this? There are many Roy Rogers restaurants at
>service areas in Massachusetts; I think these are all of the
>fast-food, not sit-down variety.
>
Roy Rogers was a well established, popular and quality fast food restuarant
owned by Mariott. Most of its stores were in the Washington/Baltimore area.
Several years ago, Mariott was getting rid of all of its non-hotel properties
to focus on its hotel business. They sold the Roy Rogers operation to
Hardee's. Hardee's turned around and took the best of their menu and the best
of Roy's menu and combined it into one menu. They also got rid of the
Salad/Breakfast Bar and the Fixin's Bar. They then converted all of the Roy
Rogers to Hardee's and install the new menu - which was basically Roy's
fried chicken plus Hardee's burgers. It was a total flop. The Roy Rogers
lost considerable business and so did the Hardee's stores that were in
exhistence before the Roy's conversion. Hardee's converted everything back to
the way it was (minus the Breakfast/Salad Bar), but never recovered the
business. Early this year, Hardee's sold all of the exhisting Roy's to
McDonald's. McDonald's has been closing unneed locations and converting
others to McDonald's stores. Roy's will be gone as an entity, except for some
independently francised locations that will stay, by early 1999.
As has been noted by others, this does not include the Roy's in the service
plazas as they are directly owned and/or operated by Mariott. I've been told
that Mariott does very well with these stores (better than the stand alones)
and does not want to get rid of them.
-Mike
M. Hale
>CJ's. The CJ menu will gradually take over, with the Hardees cinnamon
>raisin biscuits and some other breakfast items staying, and maybe a few
>of the "regular" items as well. The Hardees brand will go away eventually.
You'd think they would reconsider with the Hardee's/Roy Rogers conversion
disaster that Hardee's had to endure. See my seperate post in this thread for
more info.
But, then again... big business sometimes will never learn.
-Mike
Allen Wone
Wendy's. Did McD's sell these off or were there mostly owned by one big
franchisee who changed their franchise?
NFARS
(i.e. "eww, it's shaped like a square" or "the chicken is soggy")?
My name is Chris Sampang, but please, call me Calvin.
"It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...."
M. Hale
>Most of the Roy Rogers stand alones here in the NYC metro area have become
>Wendy's. Did McD's sell these off or were there mostly owned by one big
>franchisee who changed their franchise?
I'm unsure of the NYC area, but in the Washington/Baltimore area, I fairly
certain that McDonald's purchased the whole kit-and-kabotle. They then
assessed which locations to close, keep for conversion to McDonald's or to
sell to others. A Roy Rogers across the street from a McDonald's near me was
torn down and a KFC was built. Another Roy Rogers that was not close to
another McDonald's was torn down and a McDonald's is opening there soon.
Other Roy Rogers stores have popped up as Boston Chickens as well. McDonald;s
did benefit in that they were able to get a lot of good locations and they
have closed some exhisting McDonald's after converting a nearby Roy Rogers
with a larger space/better location.
-Mike
M. Hale
>When a franchise changes brands, how do the workers get used to the new menu
>(i.e. "eww, it's shaped like a square" or "the chicken is soggy")?
Being serious here, most of the time the managers are retrained for the new
franchise and the workers are usually let go. In the Washington/Baltimore
area, many of the old Roy Rogers managers have turned up at McDonald's since
McDonalds bought Roy Rogers. I suspect that they employees were let go or
offered retraining at the converted store/other location.
-Mike
DaBoMbHa97
>Texaco.
I think you had them confused with Derby which became Coastal and now is
Conoco.
Derby had a simular apperance like the Texaco's sign.
NFARS
in the same year the namesake passes on...
How many exist in NY? I would like to go to one, because I ate there 5 years
ago, when I went on my first trip there (I was 7) and we also went to B-W,
where there was a lot of them. I wonder if there still is a website...
Jon Enslin
> Roy Rogers was a well established, popular and quality fast food restuarant
> owned by Mariott. Most of its stores were in the Washington/Baltimore area.
> Several years ago, Mariott was getting rid of all of its non-hotel properties
> to focus on its hotel business. They sold the Roy Rogers operation to
> Hardee's. Hardee's turned around and took the best of their menu and the best
> of Roy's menu and combined it into one menu.
(...)
Hardees has never recovered from that blunder. Before this, they were
*very* strong in the Midwest...probably second to Mc Donalds. After
this move, they fell short of cash and drastically cut their marketing
budget. Wrong move...customers fled. Their new marketing campaign is
low-budget and terrible.
Jon
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J.P. and Earl
The New York Thruway was originally suppose to have Pizza Huts at some of
them, but they ended up with Mama Ilardo's instead. I don't know if it's the
same thing or not.
I think New Baltimore is the only Bob's Big Boy on the Thruway.
J.P. Wing
Ray Mullins
That's why CKE was able to pick up Hardees for a song (less than what
Hardees paid for Roy Rogers!). CKE was looking to expand for a long
time and now they have over 2700 combined locations nationwide.
BTW, Carl's Jr. regular menu is superior to anything Hardees ever
produced, so the menu changes will be successful, unlike the Hardees/
Roy Rogers fiasco.
Later,
NFARS
>BTW, Carl's Jr. regular menu is superior to anything Hardees ever
>produced, so the menu changes will be successful, unlike the Hardees/
>Roy Rogers fiasco.
Well...for one thing Hardees sponsored the "bad guy" in Days of Thunder...
Another, they bit off the Sourdough Jack by taking the basic product for their
own menu and calling it the Frisco Burger. Thank God they're gonna be gone.
The sad victim however is Roy Rogers...maybe Mariott should start
"re-expanding" that chain once again. I ate at one on the NJTP 6 years ago
(when I was 7 1/2) and they had some of the best chicken...
CrazyOne
> Most of the Roy Rogers stand alones here in the NYC metro area have become
> Wendy's. Did McD's sell these off or were there mostly owned by one big
> franchisee who changed their franchise?
There was one here in downtown Pittsburgh that did exactly that as well.
I'm guessing it was either as you described (large franchisee) or possibly
just Wendy's being smart in negotiating to pick these up.
All this is interesting. I used to be more up on the goings on in the
fast food industry. Hardees made one collossal blunder, that's for sure.
At one point just after the RR acquisition, Hardees was poised to overtake
Wendy's for number of outlets (or perhaps actually did have more.)
Wendy's put their charismatic founder Dave Thomas in commercials, kept a
good made when you order policy and proceeded to kick a** as far as I can
tell.
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Jim Ellwanger
>As has been noted by others, this does not include the Roy's in the service
>plazas as they are directly owned and/or operated by Mariott. I've been told
>that Mariott does very well with these stores (better than the stand alones)
>and does not want to get rid of them.
I just ate at a Roy Rogers on the PA Turnpike this past weekend, and
noticed that the bottom of the tray liner read "(c)1995 Hardee's Food
Systems, Inc." Guess Marriott bought a bunch of surplus liners. (It was
a drawing of "your neighborhood" showing all the places Roy's fried
chicken could be found, including your local Roy Rogers store. Hope they
can use these up within the next year.)
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Patrick L. Humphrey
>"HP Authorized Customer" <k...@aol.com> wrote:
>>More:
>>the fast food resturant: Hardee's (unless it has been converted to Carl's
>>Jr)
>>gas: BP?
>I heard that Carl Karcher Enterprises bought Hardees, but are they
>going to turn all the restaurants into Carl's Jrs? They've only
>recently started building Carl's Jrs east of the Rockies in the past
>couple years, it seems.
I have yet to see a Carl's Jr anywhere but Las Vegas (haven't been to anywhere
populated in California, yet), but even if they start expanding eastward, it
won't make much difference -- the only Hardee's I know of in Texas is up in
the Texarkana area off I-30.
>Re BP -- I've never seen one of those stations anywhere near Kansas --
>the closest ones must be in Indiana.
They're all over Kentucky, but not in Tennessee or Arkansas, from my recent
trip...and they're thicker than flies in some parts of Ohio.
--PLH, a Phillips 66 kind of guy
Patrick L. Humphrey
>Dave Schul wrote:
>> I heard that Carl Karcher Enterprises bought Hardees, but are they
>> going to turn all the restaurants into Carl's Jrs? They've only
>> recently started building Carl's Jrs east of the Rockies in the past
>> couple years, it seems.
> If they've got any sense, they'll learn from the Hardee's/Roy Rogers
>fiasco a few years ago.
Wasn't the Roy Rogers chain owned by Marriott prior to that? (I seem to
remember that being the case while there were still Roy Rogers franchises here
in Houston.)
>> Re BP -- I've never seen one of those stations anywhere near Kansas --
>> the closest ones must be in Indiana.
> There are some in Virginia, but they're fairly uncommon.
They're all over Kentucky, for sure -- if they can put one in Cumberland, and
*two* down the road to Harlan, I'd say they're looking at the long term in the
coalfields...
--PLH, remembering when Sunoco was all over the mountains
NFARS
>a drawing of "your neighborhood" showing all the places Roy's fried
>chicken could be found, including your local Roy Rogers store. Hope they
>can use these up within the next year.)
Well, why don't you search for a Roy Rodgers this way?
I'm getting hungry for-- Carl's Jr. Onion Rings?
:)
NFARS
>can't recall where (nor what the other brand was). Could they
>possibly be co-branding them with Hardees?
>
>
Well TGB/CKE has at least one in CA: At CA 82/Hickey Blvd. with a Shell
station, near a Jack in the Box and a shopping center.
Hardees? Who would want to cobrand with them? Roy Rodgers would be
better...:)
Maybe I'm biased because I loved their chicken when I went NJTP/I-95
NYC-Washington D.C. When I was 7, too!
Dave Schul
>>The Corporate Vision (tm) from CKE is to combine the best of Hardees and
>>CJ's. The CJ menu will gradually take over, with the Hardees cinnamon
>>raisin biscuits and some other breakfast items staying, and maybe a few
>>of the "regular" items as well. The Hardees brand will go away eventually.
>You'd think they would reconsider with the Hardee's/Roy Rogers conversion
>disaster that Hardee's had to endure. See my seperate post in this thread for
>more info.
Maybe, maybe not. I can honestly say I've encountered one person in
my life who told me Hardee's was his favorite fast food restaurant.
Most others seem to agree with me that Hardee's is
fast-food-of-last-resort. I'm not too familiar with either Roy Rogers
or Carl's Jr, having eaten at each chain exactly once, but from what I
remember both were much better than Hardee's (and one was in a gas
station!) -- better quality, better service, nicer-looking
restaurants, etc.
Of course, none of them approaches Whataburger ;^) Talk about a chain
that ought to expand...
Dave
Dave Schul
>The Corporate Vision (tm) from CKE is to combine the best of Hardees and
>CJ's. The CJ menu will gradually take over, with the Hardees cinnamon
>raisin biscuits and some other breakfast items staying, and maybe a few
>of the "regular" items as well. The Hardees brand will go away eventually.
Given the number of Hardees outlets, and given that most of them are
located where people have never heard of Carl's Jr, this ought to be
expensive.
>No word on if a combination of CKE's The Green Burrito co-branding (CJ and
>TGB restaurants combined) and Taco Bueno (regional TX/OK) will occur.
I know I have seen co-branded Green Burrito restaurants before, I just
can't recall where (nor what the other brand was). Could they
possibly be co-branding them with Hardees?
Dave
NFARS
>that ought to expand...
>
>
Personally, what should re-expand after a downfall would be Big Boy and Roy
Rodgers...
Ray Mullins
Dave Schul <map...@ukanx.edu> wrote:
>
>Of course, none of them approaches Whataburger ;^) Talk about a chain
>that ought to expand...
The only thing I miss about Texas! Whataburger!
The closest I can get is the few stores in Phoenix...
Back in the mid 1970's, a franchiser tried to get a couple of stores going
in the San Fernando Valley and in Camarillo, CA. The one in Canoga Park,
although very popular, eventually folded; the Camarillo one held out for
a bit longer. Too bad. They're my #2, behind CJ.
#5 (Bacon Burger, right?) Whata-sized...
dan herrmann
Better than McD's, BK, and Wendy's, IMHO....
I'd love to see them back here in Pennsylvania!
NFARS wrote in message <199807230032...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>>(It was
>>a drawing of "your neighborhood" showing all the places Roy's fried
>>chicken could be found, including your local Roy Rogers store. Hope they
>>can use these up within the next year.)
>
>Well, why don't you search for a Roy Rodgers this way?
>
>I'm getting hungry for-- Carl's Jr. Onion Rings?
>
>:)
>
>
Stephen A. Hill
>I think New Baltimore is the only Bob's Big Boy on the Thruway.
I recall there was one at the Angola service plaza (the one between
Buffalo and the PA state line) the last time I was there.
Steve Hill
An Ohio Highways Person
Stephen A. Hill
>I just ate at a Roy Rogers on the PA Turnpike this past weekend, and
>noticed that the bottom of the tray liner read "(c)1995 Hardee's Food
>Systems, Inc."
My guess is that Hardee's still owns the Roy Rogers trademark (and
thus the copyright on the stuff that bears the trademark.) Marriott
probably licenses the trademark for the stores that it owns.
Exile on Market Street
> In article <6p5cvv$f...@panix3.panix.com>, aw...@panix.com (Allen Wone) wrote:
> >Most of the Roy Rogers stand alones here in the NYC metro area have become
> >Wendy's. Did McD's sell these off or were there mostly owned by one big
> >franchisee who changed their franchise?
>
> I'm unsure of the NYC area, but in the Washington/Baltimore area, I fairly
> certain that McDonald's purchased the whole kit-and-kabotle.[...]
Just to note:
The Roy Rogers chain had a strong presence throughout the Mid-Atlantic
region, not just in the Washington-Baltimore area.
In the Philadelphia area, Hardee's didn't even bother with reminding people
about Roy Rogers chicken as they did in Washington -- they just slapped
their name up on the outlets and assumed everyone would follow along with
the changes.
The sale of the Hardee's operations was handled on a market-by-market
basis, with most of the outlets going to a single chain in a given market.
The Philadelphia-area outlets were among the first to be sold -- those that
did not close were converted to Boston Chicken (now Boston Market) outlets
~1991.
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Dave 2
> Maybe, maybe not. I can honestly say I've encountered one person in
> my life who told me Hardee's was his favorite fast food restaurant.
> Most others seem to agree with me that Hardee's is
> fast-food-of-last-resort.
FWIW (AIAM), I managed to avoid fast food almost entirely on a recent roadtrip
through the northwestern states. Exception: I was hungry when I pulled into
Mobridge, SD after at trip down Hwy 1806 et. al. My choices were Hardee's or
Dairy Queen.
I decided to give Hardee's a try, but alas, it was closed and being converted
to a Burger King. So DQ it was...
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Exile on Market Street wrote:
> --snip--
> The sale of the Hardee's operations was handled on a market-by-market
> basis, with most of the outlets going to a single chain in a given market.
> The Philadelphia-area outlets were among the first to be sold -- those that
> did not close were converted to Boston Chicken (now Boston Market) outlets
> ~1991.
>
The Hardee's in the Detroit market were bought by Wendy's. They are being
converted to traditional Wendy's, Tim Horton's, or a combination of the two.
pki...@my-dejanews.com
smi...@pobox.upenn.edu (Exile on Market Street) wrote:
> In article <35b63...@news4.his.com>, ha...@his.com (M. Hale) wrote:
>
> > In article <6p5cvv$f...@panix3.panix.com>, aw...@panix.com (Allen Wone)
wrote:
> > >Most of the Roy Rogers stand alones here in the NYC metro area have become
> > >Wendy's. Did McD's sell these off or were there mostly owned by one big
> > >franchisee who changed their franchise?
> >
> > I'm unsure of the NYC area, but in the Washington/Baltimore area, I fairly
> > certain that McDonald's purchased the whole kit-and-kabotle.[...]
>
> Just to note:
>
> The Roy Rogers chain had a strong presence throughout the Mid-Atlantic
> region, not just in the Washington-Baltimore area.
>
> In the Philadelphia area, Hardee's didn't even bother with reminding people
> about Roy Rogers chicken as they did in Washington -- they just slapped
> their name up on the outlets and assumed everyone would follow along with
> the changes.
>
> basis, with most of the outlets going to a single chain in a given market.
> The Philadelphia-area outlets were among the first to be sold -- those that
> did not close were converted to Boston Chicken (now Boston Market) outlets
> ~1991.
IIRC, Tim Horton's Donuts (a Canadian institution) entered the USA by
purchasing Hardee's outlets in Detroit.
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>ha...@his.com (M. Hale) wrote:
>>>The Corporate Vision (tm) from CKE is to combine the best of Hardees and
>>>CJ's. The CJ menu will gradually take over, with the Hardees cinnamon
>>>raisin biscuits and some other breakfast items staying, and maybe a few
>>>of the "regular" items as well. The Hardees brand will go away eventually.
>>You'd think they would reconsider with the Hardee's/Roy Rogers conversion
>>disaster that Hardee's had to endure. See my seperate post in this thread for
>>more info.
>Maybe, maybe not. I can honestly say I've encountered one person in
>my life who told me Hardee's was his favorite fast food restaurant.
>Most others seem to agree with me that Hardee's is
>fast-food-of-last-resort. I'm not too familiar with either Roy Rogers
>or Carl's Jr, having eaten at each chain exactly once, but from what I
>remember both were much better than Hardee's (and one was in a gas
>station!) -- better quality, better service, nicer-looking
>restaurants, etc.
I haven't experienced Carl's Jr yet (hey, when you're in Las Vegas, there
_are_ other things to do), and Roy Rogers disappeared from Houston years ago,
but I've hit a few Hardee's from Kentucky to South Dakota, and they're not all
that impressive. If they were active in this part of Texas, I'd stick with
Arby's, when I _had_ to have a roast beef sandwich.
>Of course, none of them approaches Whataburger ;^) Talk about a chain
>that ought to expand...
Maybe so, but to -Kansas-? You realize we'd have to get clearances to export
them _that_ far north of the Red River...:-)
--PLH, who's fortunate to have one less than a mile down the street from where
I live
NFARS
Carl's Jr. franchises, Arbys and Taco Bell would come to the east coast, etc.
etc. And what the heck is Long John Silver's?
I have to be a fast food conosseur....
Adam Newman
>
> Well, in a perfect world, Roy Rodgers would come back, there would be more
> Carl's Jr. franchises, Arbys and Taco Bell would come to the east coast, etc.
> etc. And what the heck is Long John Silver's?
There aren't Taco Bell's and Arby's on the East Coast? I thought they
were everywhere. We have tons of them here in Chicago, but no Roy
Rodgers or Carl's Jr., and we used to have Hardee's, but I think they
are all gone. And Long John Silver's is a seafood place, but it's not
fast food. What we really need more of in Chicago are Steak 'n'
Shakes. That is a fantastic place to eat.
NFARS
>Shakes. That is a fantastic place to eat.
They DON'T have those in the West Coast, but I guess they must have one in
Evansville...:)
How many fast food places you've never tried?
Hardees
Steak and Shake
Big Boy
Tim Horton's
Del Taco
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says...
>
>Well, in a perfect world, Roy Rodgers would come back, there would be more
>Carl's Jr. franchises, Arbys and Taco Bell would come to the east coast, etc.
Arby's is in the Cambridgeside Galleria mall in Cambridge, Mass., and
every KFC around here is also a Taco Bell. I think I'm on the
East Coast....
Adam Newman
>
> >What we really need more of in Chicago are Steak 'n'
> >Shakes. That is a fantastic place to eat.
>
> They DON'T have those in the West Coast, but I guess they must have one in
> Evansville...:)
>
> How many fast food places you've never tried?
>
> Hardees
> Steak and Shake
> Big Boy
> Tim Horton's
> Del Taco
>
I'm looking at a list of locations right now
(http://www.steaknshake.com/location.htm), and it seems the farthest
west S'n'S is in Davenport and the farthest north is in Gurnee, IL.
There are a ton in Southern IL, IN, FL, and MO. They seem to be
expanding in the Chicago area, which is cool. Good luck on getting some
in the west!
Oh, and in Chicago, we don't have Hardees, Big Boy, Tim Horton's, or Del
Taco.
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>Arby's is in the Cambridgeside Galleria mall in Cambridge, Mass., and
>every KFC around here is also a Taco Bell. I think I'm on the
>East Coast....
Well, New Jersey then.
:)
I may be mistaken about Taco Bell, but I didn't see them when I was on the east
coast 6 years ago...
Edward Curtis
>"J.P. and Earl" <jpn...@dreamscape.com> wrote:
>
>>I think New Baltimore is the only Bob's Big Boy on the Thruway.
>
>I recall there was one at the Angola service plaza (the one between
>Buffalo and the PA state line) the last time I was there.
That plaza has been home to a Denny's and a McDonald's since 1995 at least.
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>
> Patrick L. Humphrey <pat...@io.com> had written:
> |
> | I have yet to see a Carl's Jr anywhere but Las Vegas (haven't been to anywhere
> | populated in California, yet), but even if they start expanding eastward, it
> | won't make much difference -- the only Hardee's I know of in Texas is up in
> | the Texarkana area off I-30.
>
> off I-55/74.
>
> | --PLH, a Phillips 66 kind of guy
>
> appears to be a Phillips 66 no longer, judging by what I saw when
> driving past it on Touhy Avenue last week.
There's one in Wheeling.
> I wonder why Texaco isn't in Illinois.
I know there used to be one in Arlington Heights about 10 years ago, I
think it's a Mobil now.
Mike Reaser
>I may be mistaken about Taco Bell, but I didn't see them when I was on the east
>coast 6 years ago...
You are mistaken. Taco Bell has been in the "Deep South", including
Florida and Georgia (two "east coast" states, I believe) for well over
20 years.
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Patrick L. Humphrey
>Patrick L. Humphrey <pat...@io.com> had written:
>|I have yet to see a Carl's Jr anywhere but Las Vegas (haven't been to anywhere
>| populated in California, yet), but even if they start expanding eastward, it
>| won't make much difference -- the only Hardee's I know of in Texas is up in
>| the Texarkana area off I-30.
>There's one in Bloomington, Illinois, right on Market Street just
>off I-55/74.
They're fairly common in Tennessee and Kentucky, and there are at least a few
in Alabama and Mississippi...but for some reason, I don't remember ever seeing
one in Louisiana.
>| --PLH, a Phillips 66 kind of guy
>The last Phillips 66 I knew of in the Chicago area, in Park Ridge,
>appears to be a Phillips 66 no longer, judging by what I saw when
>driving past it on Touhy Avenue last week.
They're all over the Plains states, at least as far up I-29 as northern South
Dakota; they're scattered across Kentucky and at least eastern Tennessee, as
well, with a few locations in Alabama and Mississippi -- but, like Hardee's,
none that I've ever seen in Louisiana.
>I wonder why Texaco isn't in Illinois.
Good question -- I seem to remember a few of them in Indiana back in March,
and a few more along I-71 in Ohio, but I don't know why they've bypassed
Illinois. (Then again, my previous Exxon card before the current one still
had a listing of non-Exxon retailers who honored it, and in what states --
Chevron was listed for Nebraska and South Dakota, which was pretty
interesting, considering there aren't any Chevron stations in South Dakota,
and haven't been for some time. Go figure.)
>And there are no Shell stations in Missouri west of Columbia or
>Boonville (I forget which).
That would explain why I don't remember seeing any on the annual trek up I-29
from the Kansas City area.
--PLH, on the other hand, Sinclair (with the old dinosaur logo) is back in the
northern Plains states -- I thought they dumped that for Arco back in the late
'70s...
Colin
>
> ha...@his.com (M. Hale) wrote:
>
> >>The Corporate Vision (tm) from CKE is to combine the best of Hardees and
> >>CJ's. The CJ menu will gradually take over, with the Hardees cinnamon
> >>raisin biscuits and some other breakfast items staying, and maybe a few
> >>of the "regular" items as well. The Hardees brand will go away eventually.
>
> >You'd think they would reconsider with the Hardee's/Roy Rogers conversion
> >disaster that Hardee's had to endure. See my seperate post in this thread for
> >more info.
>
> Maybe, maybe not. I can honestly say I've encountered one person in
> my life who told me Hardee's was his favorite fast food restaurant.
> Most others seem to agree with me that Hardee's is
> fast-food-of-last-resort. I'm not too familiar with either Roy Rogers
> or Carl's Jr, having eaten at each chain exactly once, but from what I
> remember both were much better than Hardee's (and one was in a gas
> station!) -- better quality, better service, nicer-looking
> restaurants, etc.
Been to one Carl's Jr, good biscuits (at least in the early 90's). The
old Hardee's in the 80's and early 90's was good. Damn, did you ever eat
there ham & cheese sandwich? Yummy! I used to crave those things.
Hardees is definitely not a fav of anybody, I think it's more of a "Hey,
there's a Hardee's!" resteraunt, when you're really hungry and you can't
find a decent resteraunt in the small town you exited into.
Mc Donald's has always been my last-resort-full-scale-fast-food meal,
although it's good for a snack. The quality of fast food slumps
dramatically across the Pacific though, and in China, Mc Donald's is a
treat. So, be thankful for what you have.
I always wondered something, when I lived in Johnson City,TN back in the
early 90's Mc Donalds did a test market for their pizzas there.
Obviously it wasn't successful, but I remember hearing they did it in
about 30 other cities. Does anyone else remember this?
>
> Of course, none of them approaches Whataburger ;^) Talk about a chain
> that ought to expand...
I always thought Whataburger was too expensive. But the idea might be
what America needs (freshly made burgers), it's like a combination of
fast food and sit-down resteraunts. Also, they tasted good. And I used
to know an employee and the ingrediants are all fresh, so the commercial
is true.
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Edward Curtis wrote in message <6p8cu1$r...@netaxs.com>...
>That plaza has been home to a Denny's and a McDonald's since 1995 at least.
I was there again in May and have found that Angola Service Area has the
meanest, nastiest, most uncaring bunch of McDonald's employees I have ever
seen in my life.
I'd rather "hold it" and stop at Fredonia. :)
J.P. Wing
ps. And yes it's a Denny's
pki...@my-dejanews.com
Adam Newman <c...@ripco.com> wrote:
> NFARS wrote:
> >
> > Well, in a perfect world, Roy Rodgers would come back, there would be more
> > Carl's Jr. franchises, Arbys and Taco Bell would come to the east coast,
etc.
>
> There aren't Taco Bell's and Arby's on the East Coast? I thought they
> were everywhere. We have tons of them here in Chicago, but no Roy
> Rodgers or Carl's Jr., and we used to have Hardee's, but I think they
> are all gone. And Long John Silver's is a seafood place, but it's not
> Shakes. That is a fantastic place to eat.
Both Arby's and Taco Bell have locations in Bangor and I assume Lewiston and
Portland. Roy, Carl and Hardee are all shut out of Maine. Long John Silver's,
AFAIK, has a policy of not opening stores within 100 miles or so of the
coastline.
pki...@my-dejanews.com
nf...@aol.com (NFARS) wrote:
> >What we really need more of in Chicago are Steak 'n'
> >Shakes. That is a fantastic place to eat.
>
> Evansville...:)
>
> How many fast food places you've never tried?
>
> Hardees
> Steak and Shake
> Big Boy
> Tim Horton's
> Del Taco
>
For me (and this is largely due to the fact that most of these chains are shut
out of Canada and New England):
Hardee's (not to be confused with Har_vey_'s which is a Canadian chain)
Popeye's
Big Boy
Jack in the Box
Roy Rogers
Arby's (they do have Canadian stores, they even have one in Fredericton, but
I've never eaten there)
Steak 'n' Shake
Carl's Jr.
J.P. Kirby (and another one: Country Style Donuts -- it's a Canadian chain,
but the nearest one is at least in Montreal)
pki...@my-dejanews.com
Adam Newman <c...@ripco.com> wrote:
>
> I'm looking at a list of locations right now
> (http://www.steaknshake.com/location.htm), and it seems the farthest
> west S'n'S is in Davenport and the farthest north is in Gurnee, IL.
> There are a ton in Southern IL, IN, FL, and MO. They seem to be
> expanding in the Chicago area, which is cool. Good luck on getting some
> in the west!
The closest to me is somewhere around Dayton, Ohio.
>
> Oh, and in Chicago, we don't have Hardees, Big Boy, Tim Horton's, or Del
> Taco.
>
As for Tim Horton's, it's probably because they're from Canada, and are just
starting their expansion in the USA.
J.P. Kirby
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Adam Newman <c...@ripco.com> wrote:
> Mark Roberts wrote:
> >
> > Patrick L. Humphrey <pat...@io.com> had written:
> > |
> > | I have yet to see a Carl's Jr anywhere but Las Vegas (haven't been to
anywhere
> > | populated in California, yet), but even if they start expanding eastward,
it
> > | won't make much difference -- the only Hardee's I know of in Texas is up
in
> > | the Texarkana area off I-30.
> >
> > There's one in Bloomington, Illinois, right on Market Street just
> > off I-55/74.
> >
I have a picture of one taken in San Diego in May of 1989....I guess that that
wouldn't count anymore, would it?
> > | --PLH, a Phillips 66 kind of guy
> >
> > The last Phillips 66 I knew of in the Chicago area, in Park Ridge,
> > appears to be a Phillips 66 no longer, judging by what I saw when
> > driving past it on Touhy Avenue last week.
>
> There's one in Wheeling.
They're making a come back here in Indianapolis.
>
> > I wonder why Texaco isn't in Illinois.
>
> I know there used to be one in Arlington Heights about 10 years ago, I
> think it's a Mobil now.
>
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Patrick L. Humphrey
>In article <35B79860...@ripco.com>,
> Adam Newman <c...@ripco.com> wrote:
>> NFARS wrote:
>> >
>> > Well, in a perfect world, Roy Rodgers would come back, there would be more
>> > Carl's Jr. franchises, Arbys and Taco Bell would come to the east coast,
>etc.
>> > etc. And what the heck is Long John Silver's?
>> There aren't Taco Bell's and Arby's on the East Coast? I thought they
>> were everywhere. We have tons of them here in Chicago, but no Roy
>> Rodgers or Carl's Jr., and we used to have Hardee's, but I think they
>> are all gone. And Long John Silver's is a seafood place, but it's not
>> fast food. What we really need more of in Chicago are Steak 'n'
>> Shakes. That is a fantastic place to eat.
>Both Arby's and Taco Bell have locations in Bangor and I assume Lewiston and
>Portland. Roy, Carl and Hardee are all shut out of Maine. Long John Silver's,
>AFAIK, has a policy of not opening stores within 100 miles or so of the
>coastline.
That's interesting, considering there are still a few of 'em left here in
Houston -- and last time I looked, we were quite a bit closer to the Gulf than
a hundred miles...
--PLH, and I always thought the one at Beechnut and 59 was only 55 miles from
West Bay...
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Brian Rawson-Ketchum
> How many fast food places you've never tried?
>
> Hardees
Hmm, to my recollection, the first time I've ever eaten at Hardee's was in
Brooklyn, MI on the way to a car show in Tecumseh. I'd never eaten at the one
in Kalamazoo before it converted to a Julianne's (which isn't a chain). There
was one in Sturgis as recently as last year, but it closed. One chain that
I'll never get to eat at (because it folded before I was born) was Burger
Chef, which most became Hardee's, which became other things. I do still have
collector glasses in my cabinet featuring endangered species that came from
Burger Chef.
> Steak and Shake
Oh this is a good place if you ever come to the Midwest. They only fairly
recently entered Michigan (though they were founded in Illinois in the 1930's,
IIRC). Steak 'n' Shakes' steakburgers could be better, but their shakes are
delicious.
> Big Boy
Oh yes, that chain that features the kid in the checkerboard overalls holding
a Big Boy over his head. Their food is adequate for a low-priced sit-down
type place
> Tim Horton's
Never heard of this place, so must not have eaten here.
> Del Taco
Judging by the fact that I only see it advertised on the boards during Anaheim
and Los Angeles hockey games, it must be exclusive to California. There's
probably a bigger market for Mexican fast food restaurants in that area, so
competition is a little more likely. I've never eaten any *food* at Taco
Bell; I think I ordered a Pepsi there once. Mexican is not my forté, but my
mother ate at a few competitors when we lived in Kalamazoo (Taco John's is
first in my mind). I believe they've all folded, leaving Taco Bell with
nearly 100% of the Mexican fast food market there and throughout Southwest
Michigan
Now I'll hit on a few of my own that I've never tried.
Damon's-As they say, *the* place for ribs.
Outback Steak House- One opened in Kalamazoo a couple years ago. The way I
like Ponderosa, you'd think I'd have tried it by now.
Jack in the Box- Since they've never opened here, I haven't eaten at one.
Since I heard the E. coli outbreak or whatever was wrong with their meat a few
years back, I'm not in a hurry to eat at one.
Chili's- This is one of those Applebee's/T. G. I. Friday's-type restaurants
(eaten at Applebee's, not yet at Friday's) Famous for baby-back ribs.
Don Pablo's- This just opened in Battle Creek (it's opposite the Steak 'n'
Shake on the corner of Beckley and M-66 in front of the mall). This is a
sit-down Mexican (like Chi-Chi's, which is actually in the mall).
This is just a small sample of a variety of places I've never tried, but as a
rule, if I've hardly heard of it, I probably haven't tried it yet.
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> IIRC, Tim Horton's Donuts (a Canadian institution) entered the USA by
> purchasing Hardee's outlets in Detroit.
I thought that chain followed the British practice regarding possessive
proper names, not the American one (i.e., "Tim Hortons" not "Tim
Horton's"). ;-)
And wasn't Tim Horton some sort of all-star hockey player?
Exile on Market Street
> Well, in a perfect world, Roy Rodgers would come back, there would be more
> Carl's Jr. franchises, Arbys and Taco Bell would come to the east coast, etc.
> etc. And what the heck is Long John Silver's?
There *are* Taco Bells on the East Coast. Philadelphia, when last I
looked, was still an East Coast city.
Long John Silver's is a fast-food fish place, along the lines of (but with
more varied fare than) Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips -- they used to
advertise all the time on the Weather Channel, and still may ("Where
America goes for fish").
Exile on Market Street
(NFARS) wrote:
[Arby's/Taco Bell]
> Well, New Jersey then.
Are you one of those types who believe that Burlington, Camden, Gloucester
and counties south are located in a different state than Mercer, Middlesex,
Ocean and counties north?
--Sandy "just about every major national chain that operates in the
Philadelphia market has outlets in both Pennsylvania and New Jersey" Smith
Exile on Market Street
> NFARS wrote:
> >
> > Well, in a perfect world, Roy Rodgers would come back, there would be more
> > Carl's Jr. franchises, Arbys and Taco Bell would come to the east
coast, etc.
> > etc. And what the heck is Long John Silver's?
>
> There aren't Taco Bell's and Arby's on the East Coast? I thought they
> were everywhere.
FWIW, Roy Rogers' first menu item was a roast beef sandwich. On the East
Coast, they were originally in direct competition with Arby's, and in many
markets drove them out. Then they expanded, first into burgers, then into
chicken.
> What we really need more of in Chicago are Steak 'n'
> Shakes. That is a fantastic place to eat.
You mean the St. Louisans let you have some?
Exile on Market Street
> How many fast food places you've never tried?
Keep in mind, young'un, that Philadelphia's signature fast food is the
cheesesteak sandwich, which (_pace_ "Philly Mignon" and Pat's Steaks) has
yet to be successfully franchised -- it's still a Mom-and-Pop affair.
Try finding one of *those* in California...
The Josheyn Knight
Mark Roberts <markrob...@tezcat.com> wrote in article
<slrn6rft22.9nc....@huitzilo.tezcat.com>...
> Patrick L. Humphrey <pat...@io.com> had written:
> |
> | I have yet to see a Carl's Jr anywhere but Las Vegas (haven't been to
anywhere
> | populated in California, yet), but even if they start expanding
eastward, it
> | won't make much difference -- the only Hardee's I know of in Texas is
up in
> | the Texarkana area off I-30.
>
> There's one in Bloomington, Illinois, right on Market Street just
> off I-55/74.
and there is one in East Peoria on US 150 south of I-74 that I visited in
March because it was the only fast-food resturant in the area near where I
stayed for that one night
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Exile on Market Street
> There are a ton in Southern IL, IN, FL, and MO.
I'd always associated the chain with St. Louis (as my other post in this
thread should have clued you in on), but I see from their Web site that
corporate HQ is in Indy. Since their "History" page is still on the
drawing board, I have no way to tell whether it's always been an
Indianapolis company or (like the NCAA) Indy swiped another Missouri
institution.
I see from that same list of locations that they've established a beachhead
in the KC suburbs (1 each in Independence and Overland Park), but have yet
to open in the city proper. :-( However, only a handful of those "St.
Louis" Steak 'n' Shakes are actually in the City of St. Louis -- since most
of St. Louis County uses St. Louis City's 3-digit ZIP code prefix, there
are a lot of suburban outlets listed under "St. Louis". (Any 5-digit street
address, for instance.)
Exile on Market Street
> How many fast food places you've never tried?
Answering your question seriously now:
Fast-food chains I've never tried that I could try easily:
Long John Silver's
Chick-Fil-A
Fast-food chains I've never tried but would like to (or could if I wanted
to) on a return trip to the Show-Me State:
Steak 'n' Shake
Jack in the Box
Fast-food chains that have since vanished from the landscape which I miss:
Smaks
Does anyone else out there remember that there was once a chain of
hamburger stands called Sandy's? (Hardee's bought the chain out.)
NFARS
>cheesesteak sandwich, which (_pace_ "Philly Mignon" and Pat's Steaks) has
>yet to be successfully franchised -- it's still a Mom-and-Pop affair.
Well...JackInTheBox is trying it, and they've been doing it for a year or
more...
I think the philly cheesteak sandwich at JackInTheBox came after the revival of
the corporate trademark...
pki...@brunnet.net
pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey) wrote:
> That's interesting, considering there are still a few of 'em left here in
> Houston -- and last time I looked, we were quite a bit closer to the Gulf than
> a hundred miles...
>
> --PLH, and I always thought the one at Beechnut and 59 was only 55 miles from
> West Bay...
>
I'd assume the Gulf of Mexico doesn't count.
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Adam Newman
>
> In article <35B79CBF...@ripco.com>, Adam Newman <c...@ripco.com> wrote:
>
> > There are a ton in Southern IL, IN, FL, and MO.
>
> I'd always associated the chain with St. Louis (as my other post in this
> thread should have clued you in on), but I see from their Web site that
> corporate HQ is in Indy. Since their "History" page is still on the
> drawing board, I have no way to tell whether it's always been an
> Indianapolis company or (like the NCAA) Indy swiped another Missouri
> institution.
From the webpage - "The first Steak n Shake opened in Normal, Illinois
back in 1934."
Robert I. Cruickshank
> (NFARS) wrote:
>
> > How many fast food places you've never tried?
>
> cheesesteak sandwich, which (_pace_ "Philly Mignon" and Pat's Steaks) has
> yet to be successfully franchised -- it's still a Mom-and-Pop affair.
>
Oh believe you me you can find cheap knockoffs of the Philly cheesesteak all
over California, at delis, corner vendors, small restaurants, and now, at
Jack-in-the-Box. As for the *place*, well, you can't copy that...though someone
will eventually try...
Someone mentioned Del Taco in another post (too lazy to quote it now). It's
essentially the same thing as Taco Bell, except that they also serve hamburgers
and fries. This, IMHO, makes it superior to Taco Bell, whose food I've never
liked much as it is.
I feel a little guilty helping fill up m.t.r. with this non-road related (but
highly entertaining and worthwhile thread). Are there any ng's that this
discussion would be more appropriate to, so I can go off on a favorite topic of
mine (fast food) in more depth?
--robert
NFARS
>highly entertaining and worthwhile thread). Are there any ng's that this
>discussion would be more appropriate to, so I can go off on a favorite topic
>of
>mine (fast food) in more depth?
>
>
Well, add this to the FAQ:
Roadtrips directly relating to the trip/culture, are accepted (i.e. fast food
places, wierd county lines, gas stations).
Are you listening J.P. Kirby?
Patrick L. Humphrey
>In article <szku347...@dillinger.io.com>,
> pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey) wrote:
>>That's interesting, considering there are still a few of 'em left here in
>>Houston - and last time I looked, we were quite a bit closer to the Gulf than
>>a hundred miles...
>>
>>--PLH, and I always thought the one at Beechnut and 59 was only 55 miles from
>>West Bay...
>I'd assume the Gulf of Mexico doesn't count.
...which doesn't say anything very complimentary about their management, then,
if that's the case. There are five million or so people within 50 miles of
here who'd be inclined to dispute _that_ assumption. :-)
--PLH, so we're a little biased
Brian Rawson-Ketchum
Robert I. Cruickshank wrote:
> > In article <199807232017...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, nf...@aol.com
> > (NFARS) wrote:
> >
> > > How many fast food places you've never tried?
> >
> > Keep in mind, young'un, that Philadelphia's signature fast food is the
> > cheesesteak sandwich, which (_pace_ "Philly Mignon" and Pat's Steaks) has
> > yet to be successfully franchised -- it's still a Mom-and-Pop affair.
> >
> > Try finding one of *those* in California...
>
> Oh believe you me you can find cheap knockoffs of the Philly cheesesteak all
> over California, at delis, corner vendors, small restaurants, and now, at
> Jack-in-the-Box. As for the *place*, well, you can't copy that...though someone
> will eventually try...
>
> Someone mentioned Del Taco in another post (too lazy to quote it now). It's
> essentially the same thing as Taco Bell, except that they also serve hamburgers
> and fries. This, IMHO, makes it superior to Taco Bell, whose food I've never
> liked much as it is.
>
> I feel a little guilty helping fill up m.t.r. with this non-road related (but
> highly entertaining and worthwhile thread). Are there any ng's that this
> discussion would be more appropriate to, so I can go off on a favorite topic of
> mine (fast food) in more depth?
>
> --robert
Have you considered alt.food.fast-food? Or maybe anything else in the alt.food
hiearchy?
Exile on Market Street
Cruickshank" <aus...@uclink4.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> I feel a little guilty helping fill up m.t.r. with this non-road related (but
> highly entertaining and worthwhile thread). Are there any ng's that this
> discussion would be more appropriate to, so I can go off on a favorite
topic of
> mine (fast food) in more depth?
If it weren't for roads and the drive-in culture, there wouldn't *be* any
fast food.
It may be beyond my powers to do so, but I hereby absolve you of any guilt
you may feel and declare this subject on-topic for m.t.r.
NFARS
>early 90's Mc Donalds did a test market for their pizzas there.
>Obviously it wasn't successful, but I remember hearing they did it in
>about 30 other cities. Does anyone else remember this?
They are still doing this on the Trans Canada Highway in Victoria, BC.
They used to have one like this in King City, CA, as well as a BK selling
pizza, too...King City must be the capital of food stops...
adm...@my-dejanews.com
Colin <"gremilli(SPAM-ME-BITCH)"@guomai.sh.cn> wrote:
<SNIPPED>
> I always wondered something, when I lived in Johnson City,TN back in the
> early 90's Mc Donalds did a test market for their pizzas there.
> Obviously it wasn't successful, but I remember hearing they did it in
> about 30 other cities. Does anyone else remember this?
>
When I was in Detroit, I went across the river to Windsor, Ontario. The
McDonalds at the Tunnel's end has Pizza...or what the sign reads - Pi33a (the
3 being sideways golden arches).
adm...@my-dejanews.com
<SNIPPED>
> Both Arby's and Taco Bell have locations in Bangor and I assume Lewiston and
> Portland. Roy, Carl and Hardee are all shut out of Maine. Long John Silver's,
> AFAIK, has a policy of not opening stores within 100 miles or so of the
> coastline.
>
I guess the fact that LJS Corporate filed bankruptcy might have a hand in the
opening of new stores, too.
AFAIK, there were Arby's and Taco Bell in Norfolk, VA.
-Two things I really miss, fast-food wise, are Mr. Hero's (Cleveland) and
Italian Oven (western PA).
Stephen A. Hill
>I always wondered something, when I lived in Johnson City,TN back in the
>early 90's Mc Donalds did a test market for their pizzas there.
>Obviously it wasn't successful, but I remember hearing they did it in
>about 30 other cities. Does anyone else remember this?
Mickey D had pizza and fried chicken in a significant percentage of
outlets in Northern Ohio about two years ago. They have been pulled
from the menus everywhere around here. I guess when people had a yen
for pizza, they didn't immediately jump in the car and drive to
McDonald's.
(My guilty pleasure is the McRib sandwich.)
Steve Hill
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Neil Kelly
Stephen A. Hill wrote in message <35b8ff21...@news.multiverse.com>...
>Colin <"gremilli(SPAM-ME-BITCH)"@guomai.sh.cn> wrote:
>
>>I always wondered something, when I lived in Johnson City,TN back in the
>>early 90's Mc Donalds did a test market for their pizzas there.
>>Obviously it wasn't successful, but I remember hearing they did it in
>>about 30 other cities. Does anyone else remember this?
>
>Mickey D had pizza and fried chicken in a significant percentage of
>outlets in Northern Ohio about two years ago. They have been pulled
>from the menus everywhere around here. I guess when people had a yen
>for pizza, they didn't immediately jump in the car and drive to
>McDonald's.
I remember McPizza in Danbury, CT. It was pretty bad. The one in in the
Poughkeepsie Galleria had (at least when I was there last, maybe a year ago)
the McFrankfurter. (or as we called it, McWeenie.)
Personally, as far as regional fast food goes, I have to mention Duchess.
Very small chain (maybe a dozen restaurants) in south-western Connecticut.
Without a doubt, the best chain-fast-food I've had. Hot dogs with bacon
bits, excellent rolls and a wide variety of sandwiches. All around good,
except the fries. Too thin. Give me the new Burger King fries anyday.
There's a Duchess near Super 7 in Norwalk. Maybe someday they'll finish the
highway. Now I'm back on topic.
I now feel better for having shared this. Thank you for your support.
neil
faith
Stephen A. Hill wrote in message <35b8ff21...@news.multiverse.com>...
>Colin <"gremilli(SPAM-ME-BITCH)"@guomai.sh.cn> wrote:
>
>>I always wondered something, when I lived in Johnson City,TN back in the
>>early 90's Mc Donalds did a test market for their pizzas there.
>>Obviously it wasn't successful, but I remember hearing they did it in
>>about 30 other cities. Does anyone else remember this?
The Tri-cities (Bristol, Kingsport, Johnson City) because they are somewhat
isolated by the mountains from foreign media, are used as a test market by
lots of companies. They can try something without affecting the entire
chain's rep.
McDonald's in my area carry pizza if the store is in a small town with no
separate pizza place, or if the store is right by the exit and gets
significant road business. Others do not.
Sam Cook
Scott Depot, WV
Mark Bozanich
>
> In article <smiths-ya02408000...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
> smi...@pobox.upenn.edu (Exile on Market Street) wrote:
> > In article <35b63...@news4.his.com>, ha...@his.com (M. Hale) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <6p5cvv$f...@panix3.panix.com>, aw...@panix.com (Allen Wone)
> wrote:
> > > >Most of the Roy Rogers stand alones here in the NYC metro area have become
> > > >Wendy's. Did McD's sell these off or were there mostly owned by one big
> > > >franchisee who changed their franchise?
> > >
> > > I'm unsure of the NYC area, but in the Washington/Baltimore area, I fairly
> > > certain that McDonald's purchased the whole kit-and-kabotle.[...]
> >
> > Just to note:
> >
> > The Roy Rogers chain had a strong presence throughout the Mid-Atlantic
> > region, not just in the Washington-Baltimore area.
> >
> > In the Philadelphia area, Hardee's didn't even bother with reminding people
> > about Roy Rogers chicken as they did in Washington -- they just slapped
> > their name up on the outlets and assumed everyone would follow along with
> > the changes.
> >
> > The sale of the Hardee's operations was handled on a market-by-market
> > basis, with most of the outlets going to a single chain in a given market.
> > The Philadelphia-area outlets were among the first to be sold -- those that
> > did not close were converted to Boston Chicken (now Boston Market) outlets
> > ~1991.
>
> IIRC, Tim Horton's Donuts (a Canadian institution) entered the USA by
> purchasing Hardee's outlets in Detroit.
>
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be served by national retailers. I have never seen a Hardees in
Washington. Northern Idaho had at least two Hardees, including one each
in Lewiston and Moscow. When visiting Lewiston on the 4th of July
weekend, I noticed that the Hardees had become a Jack in the Box.
Carl's Jr has been in Oregon for a few years but has not yet reached
Washington, as far as I know. Chains like Wal-Mart and Burger King had
outlets in Oregon before Washington.
Of course, there have been local chains like Herfy's and Burgerville USA
that existed here that don't elsewhere. Campbells Soup bought Herfys
around 1970 and had expanded the chain throughout Washington, Oregon,
and Northern California. Herfys had even leapfrogged to Houston, TX
before Campbells sold off the chain. A handfull of independent Herfys
still operate in the Puget Sound region. Most had become Burger Kings in
Seattle-Tacoma or Arctic Circles in Portland back in the early 1980's.
Vancouver WA based Burgerville seems to have done well for 15-20 years
but only extends along the I-5 corridor from Salem OR to Centralia WA
and east along I-84 to The Dalles.
Mark
Colin
>
> nf...@aol.com (NFARS) wrote:
> >I may be mistaken about Taco Bell, but I didn't see them when I was on the east
> >coast 6 years ago...
>
> You are mistaken. Taco Bell has been in the "Deep South", including
> Florida and Georgia (two "east coast" states, I believe) for well over
> 20 years.
I'm think he was talking about NORTH east coast, New England and PA, NY,
and NJ. I've never seen Taco Bell's up here either.
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Mike McManus
Exile on Market Street wrote:
> Does anyone else out there remember that there was once a chain of
> hamburger stands called Sandy's? (Hardee's bought the chain out.)
Yes; there was one at the corner of Glenway and Muddy Creek Roads in western
Cincinnati when I was growing up, that I used to beg Mom to stop at whenever we
went shopping in the area.
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Dave Schul wrote:
> Maybe, maybe not. I can honestly say I've encountered one person in
> my life who told me Hardee's was his favorite fast food restaurant.
> Most others seem to agree with me that Hardee's is
> fast-food-of-last-resort.
Sounds accurate to me. They bought the old Burger Chef chain in Cincinnati, and
their food tasted like the gas grill had sprung a leak.
Of course, Burger Chef wasn't that great... we used to parody their jingle as
"That's what you get at Burrrr-ger Death..." ;-)
pki...@brunnet.net
nf...@aol.com (NFARS) wrote:
> >I always wondered something, when I lived in Johnson City,TN back in the
> >early 90's Mc Donalds did a test market for their pizzas there.
> >Obviously it wasn't successful, but I remember hearing they did it in
> >about 30 other cities. Does anyone else remember this?
>
>
I'd *love* to know something: Everywhere else I've gone in Canada, they sell
pizza at McDonald's. In Fredericton, they stopped in 1996. Is it just the
opinions of the franchisee, or have I been going to every pizza test market
around?
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Dave Schul
>Mike McManus <mmcm...@frontiernet.net> had written:
>|
>| Of course, Burger Chef wasn't that great... we used to parody their jingle as
>| "That's what you get at Burrrr-ger Death..." ;-)
>
>That brings back memories -- the Burger Chef on Highway M was *the*
>place to be in O'Fallon, Mo. when I was in high school.
>Yet another of the cultural delights of the Fort Zumwalt
>Reorganized School District No. 2.
>
>On our senior trip to/from Florida, on the way back, we
>stopped at a Burger *Queen* in Murray, Kentucky.
I remember seeing Burger Queens in Kentucky, but never got a chance to
stop at one. I think they're long gone now. So did I miss out on
anything?
Dave
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>Exile on Market Street <smi...@pobox.upenn.edu> had written:
>| In article <199807232017...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, nf...@aol.com
>| (NFARS) wrote:
>|
>| > How many fast food places you've never tried?
>|
>| Keep in mind, young'un, that Philadelphia's signature fast food is the
>| cheesesteak sandwich, which (_pace_ "Philly Mignon" and Pat's Steaks) has
>| yet to be successfully franchised -- it's still a Mom-and-Pop affair.
>|
>| Try finding one of *those* in California...
>|
>Heck, what about a *real* hot dog, preferably Vienna Beef.
>
>Or an italian beef (which I haven't had yet, even though I've lived
>in Chicago for nearly two years now).
You're kidding! That's unthinkable IMHO. There are probably better
places, but if you are ever forced to eat in the suburbs, you will not
be disappointed by Luke's (Arlington Heights) or Portillo's (several
locations). I'm pretty sure both serve Scala's beef (and Vienna Beef
hot dogs, of course).
Ron Newman
> Out here in the Pacific NW we often are the last area of the country to
> be served by national retailers. I have never seen a Hardees in
> Washington. Northern Idaho had at least two Hardees, including one each
> in Lewiston and Moscow. When visiting Lewiston on the 4th of July
> weekend, I noticed that the Hardees had become a Jack in the Box.
Here in the Boston area, we have chain fast food places but we don't have
lots of them -- they tend to be far outnumbered by mom-and-pop
Greek and Italian pizza/sub shops, and also by local chains such
as Pizzeria Uno (yes, I know that's really from Chicago, but their
headquarters is here), Bertucci's, Au Bon Pain, and Boston Chicken.
I've never seen a Hardees anywhere in New England (nor where I'm from in
Ohio, for that matter). A long time ago there was a solitary
Jack-in-the-Box in Central Square, Cambridge, but it went away
at least 18 years ago.
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Patrick L. Humphrey
>Patrick L. Humphrey <pat...@io.com> had written:
>| >I'd assume the Gulf of Mexico doesn't count.
>| ..which doesn't say anything very complimentary about their management, then,
>|if that's the case. There are five million or so people within 50 miles of
>|here who'd be inclined to dispute _that_ assumption. :-)
>|--PLH, so we're a little biased
>Has the Gulf gone in for its 3,000 mile oil change yet? :-)
That's just for the part from here to the mouth of the Mississippi. Those
lucky folks from there all the way over to Cape Sable get to go 5,000 between
scheduled maintenance visits...:-)
--PLH, who hasn't been down to the Island yet to pick up my ration of crude
oil
Patrick L. Humphrey
>Mike McManus <mmcm...@frontiernet.net> had written:
>|Of course, Burger Chef wasn't that great... we used to parody their jingle as
>|"That's what you get at Burrrr-ger Death..." ;-)
>That brings back memories -- the Burger Chef on Highway M was *the*
>place to be in O'Fallon, Mo. when I was in high school.
>Yet another of the cultural delights of the Fort Zumwalt
>Reorganized School District No. 2.
Burger Chef was pretty prevalent in some parts of Houston, at least on the
southwest side, when I was a pre-teen *mumble* years ago.
>On our senior trip to/from Florida, on the way back, we
>stopped at a Burger *Queen* in Murray, Kentucky.
There was one in _Murray_? I didn't know they ever got that far west, and
into the Purchase, of all places. They used to be a common sight in central
and eastern Kentucky, I know, and there were a few in southwestern Virgina as
well...but they changed their name to Druthers some time in the late '80s, and
apparently, people decided they'druther go somewhere else...so they were gone
by 1990.
--PLH, who'd rather have Rax, anyway