I-15: The most protective parent of all?
Larry Harvilla
section of my site. As I was compiling the lists of junctions with
non-related (non-x15) Interstates, I realized something: I-15 does not
touch any 3dIs that aren't its own children.
It comes damn close -- when it is extended along current SR 15 in San
Diego, it will cross I-805, and if/when Caltrans ever decides to
re-route I-210 along the Foothill Fwy east from CA 57, it will at least
touch I-210 -- currently it only meets CA 210. From there north, though,
the only 3dIs it even comes close to are its own spawn of x15s.
Can we say that I-15 is the anti I-78, considering what a deadbeat
father I-78 is? ;-)
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and the future I-840 in NC-- fall under this category also?
Larry Harvilla
> Don't I-59 and I-85 -- excluding I-675 touching I-285 south of Atlanta
> and the future I-840 in NC-- fall under this category also?
Yes, both I-59 and I-85 do not touch any 3dIs that aren't their own
children; however, I-15 is more than twice as long as I-85 and 3.5x as
long as I-59, and neither I-59 nor I-85 have near as many child routes
as I-15 does.
Steve
> On 12/12/2005 12:05 pm, Revive755 wrote:
>
>>Don't I-59 and I-85 -- excluding I-675 touching I-285 south of Atlanta
>>and the future I-840 in NC-- fall under this category also?
>
>
> Yes, both I-59 and I-85 do not touch any 3dIs that aren't their own
> children; however, I-15 is more than twice as long as I-85 and 3.5x as
> long as I-59, and neither I-59 nor I-85 have near as many child routes
> as I-15 does.
>
Really?
From interstate-guide.com:
I-15 has 5 3di's: 115 MT, 515 NV, and 215's in CA, NV, UT
I-85 has 7 3di's: 185, 285, 985 in GA; 185, 385, 585 in SC; 485 in NC
Even I-59 has 3 3di's: 359, 459, 759 (all in AL).
I would call I-85 more protective.
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Larry Harvilla wrote:
> On 12/12/2005 12:05 pm, Revive755 wrote:
> > Don't I-59 and I-85 -- excluding I-675 touching I-285 south of Atlanta
> > and the future I-840 in NC-- fall under this category also?
>
> Yes, both I-59 and I-85 do not touch any 3dIs that aren't their own
> children; however, I-15 is more than twice as long as I-85 and 3.5x as
> long as I-59, and neither I-59 nor I-85 have near as many child routes
> as I-15 does.
I-15 has 5 child routes that I know of. I-215 in San Bernardino, I-215
and I-515 in Las Vegas, I-215 in Salt Lake, and I-115 in Butte.
I-85 has 7 child routes: I-185 in LaGrange, I-285 in Atlanta, I-985 in
Gainesville, I-185, I-385 and I-585 in Greenville-Spartanburg, I-485 in
Charlotte.
Both interstates have the same number of opportunities to meet other
interstates children:
I-15 touches I-8, I-10, I-40, I-70, I-80, I-84, I-86, I-90
I-85 touches I-65, I-75, I-20, I-26, I-77, I-40, I-74, and I-95.
I-85 seems to have the upper hand, to me.
Kurumi
Larry Harvilla <ro...@phatpage.org> wrote:
> Tonight, I have commenced work on my Interstate 15 page for the Highways
> section of my site. As I was compiling the lists of junctions with
> non-related (non-x15) Interstates, I realized something: I-15 does not
> touch any 3dIs that aren't its own children.
>
> It comes damn close -- when it is extended along current SR 15 in San
> Diego, it will cross I-805, and if/when Caltrans ever decides to
> re-route I-210 along the Foothill Fwy east from CA 57, it will at least
> touch I-210 -- currently it only meets CA 210. From there north, though,
> the only 3dIs it even comes close to are its own spawn of x15s.
>
> Can we say that I-15 is the anti I-78, considering what a deadbeat
> father I-78 is? ;-)
Sorry to jump in and contradict, but "Protective Parent" isn't the right
metaphor.
True, I-15 doesn't intersect any 3di's except for x15's. However, its
own 3di's are not protected; they are intersected by I-10 and I-80.
There's an important distinction here. I-15 is not a protective parent,
but it is a trustworthy, morally upstanding citizen. It's more dramatic
to point out the opposite of I-15's behavior, which is not "deadbeat
dad", but "creepy bachelor you don't trust near your kids."
Protective Parents are 2di's that let no other 2di's intersect their
3di's. Good examples are I-72 (which found the only safe place in
Illinois for I-172) and I-89. I-84 also qualifies (even though 684 and
287 sneak off together in the back seat of I-84's car; and 84/87 were so
opposed to this for a long time that there wasn't even a direct
interchange between them. Add to the fact that I-684 looks more than a
little 87ish, and there's bound to be mistrust between those two
families. Then 87 will twist the knife, saying "What happened to I-86?
Oh, that's right; it's over here now" and 84 will sneer, "You know
what's cool? Being able to cross a state line, 'Interstate 87'".).
Overlapping 2di's means "Carnal Relations." These can be straight
(20/59), gay (80/90), three-way (39/90/94), or former (84/87). Note that
gay overlaps are not found in the South, except in Atlanta.
Some 2di's are monogamous (notably the pious I-59), yet others are,
let's face it, sluts (I-64, who rarely met a 2di it wouldn't overlap
with).
Malarky
I-184 in Boise, which doesn't meet any 2di's. On top of that, Western
I-84 is also 'straight' as it duplexes with I-15 in Utah (of all
places...).
Jason of ORoads
> to I-86? Oh, that's right; it's over here now" and 84
> will sneer, "You know what's cool? Being able to
> cross a state line, 'Interstate 87'".).
AND NOW BACK TO: "As The Road Turns"
"I mean, come on 87, your kid 287 is cooler than you. At least it gets
to see New Jersey."
"Hey! I haven't been able to get out since the death of my kid, 687.
You know how it is. What about your dead kids? 184, 284, 484? And
don't tell me you don't remember your failed dream to get to
Providence!"
"Well at least I don't overlap WITH MY OWN CHILD!!"
(Most of the other 2dis in the room gasp, except for I-40, who sort of
shuffles off to a corner out of sight.)
"YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!"
(Fight ensues)
*punch! kick!*
"At least I don't end at a 3di!!"
"At least _I_ don't have gay relationships with I-80's kid! In
PENNSYLVANIA!!"
*smack!*
"At least MY exit numbers make sense!"
"At least MY kid's not scared of the state line! 'Ooh, I don't like
Connecticut! I don't even have an exit there!' Real tough kid ya
raised, 84!"
*slap!*
"At least I'M not tolled!"
"At least there's only ONE of ME!!"
*wedgie!*
"Hey! That's not MY fault! That 80N is just some creepy stalker from
Oregon, Idaho, and Utah! He copied my numbering! I'm the original!"
*pop! crack!*
"At least I've almost been to CANADA!"
"Whoppie, big accomplishment there. 'Look at me, I'm cultured. Je
parle français! Oui-oui!'"
Watching Interstates fight is fun.
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Jason of ORoads wrote:
> Watching Interstates fight is fun.
It is up until they get so upset they decide to end, and just head out
into the middle of nowhere and terminate it all.
Oh I-44, you could have went so far! *sobs* Why'd you have to terminate
yourself on a cold day at Witchita Falls?
Oh, and not I-27 too! *sobs*
Hey, who let I-99 out of it's cage?
Malarky
Larry Harvilla
> Overlapping 2di's means "Carnal Relations." These can be straight
> (20/59), gay (80/90), three-way (39/90/94), or former (84/87). Note that
> gay overlaps are not found in the South, except in Atlanta.
>
> Some 2di's are monogamous (notably the pious I-59), yet others are,
> let's face it, sluts (I-64, who rarely met a 2di it wouldn't overlap
> with).
Taking your metaphor and running with it:
I guess that means I-64 starts her life as a bisexual swinger (with 55
and 70). :) She must get knocked up by her next boyfriend I-57, and
proceed to have two of his kids (I-164 IN and I-264 KY). Going
exclusively straight (57, 75, 77, 81, 95), she continues slutting around
and mostly manages to avoid unwanted pregnancies, but her brief,
passionate encounter with I-95 results in quadruplets (264, 464, 564,
664 in VA). :)
Jake Brzeskiewicz
This means I-90 & I-94 have had a bizarre relationship. They become
gay lovers until a threeway with I-39 ends badly and I-90 leaves with
I-39. I-94 goes off and starts a revenge relationship with with I-43,
trying to make I-90 jealous. At first, I-90 isn't impressed, but they
can't deny that they were meant for each other and 90 & 94 hook up
again and everything is peaches and cream.
It isn't long, though, before an attractive even interstate ruins thier
relationship for good. It's I-94 who makes the first advances on I-80.
But as soon as I-80 sees I-90, it's a match made in heaven. I-80 and
I-90 go off to have a long, fullfilling homo-marriage that ends on good
terms. I-94 goes off and sulks through lower Michigan to eventually
hook up with I-69 in a retirement home.
Nathan Perry
"Malarky" <Malarky....@gmail.com> wrote:
Surprising that there isn't a whole harem of odd 2di's for it...
Michael Angelo Ravera
I-780, and I-880 in California or the mutual fratracide that comes with
I-280 and I-680. Or I-80's children in Sacramento and Reno whom it
doesn't acknowledge
DanTheMan
> Overlapping 2di's means "Carnal Relations." These can be straight
> (20/59), gay (80/90), three-way (39/90/94), or former (84/87). Note that
> gay overlaps are not found in the South, except in Atlanta.
>
> Some 2di's are monogamous (notably the pious I-59), yet others are,
> let's face it, sluts (I-64, who rarely met a 2di it wouldn't overlap
> with).
This is AWFUL!
I wanna get in on the fun though. Let's take a look at the troubled
life of I-70 -
I-70 was born a sheltered child, in the middle of nowhere in southern
Utah. There's a brief and unremarkable relationship with I-35 in Kansas
City, and another slightly longer-lived relationship with I-55 (which
begins as I-64 tries to get in on the fun as well). This one is ended
when his son I-270 finds out, and is disgusted after seeing I-255 steal
half of the St. Louis Beltway from him. I-70 goes on to give I-57 a
try, only to find out that she has some emotional baggage after
watching its last lover, I-64, messing around with a few of her
friends. He finally gives up on a long-term relationship and goes on a
few quick flings with 65, 71, and 79. He then comes out of the closet,
and realizes he may just be suited better for evens. His first and last
gay relationship, with I-76, goes well for a little while, but I-70
isn't too happy with I-76's low standards and the way it cheats people
out of money. A *very* rough breakup results (I-70 leans on his pet US
30 for a little support here), and I-70 starts all over again. A brief
bout with a dual-personality disorder ensues, which ends in 1973 with
the birth of his son, I-270. 270 goes on to a happy career in politics,
and raises a son in Montgomery County who is really growing up pretty
nicely. I-70 never meets his daughter-in-law, and passes away quietly
before ever meeting her mother.
Sad story, eh? And ha! I worked Pennsylvania-bashing and Breezewood
into a totally unrelated roadgeek joke. q-:
-Dan
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And it only meets up with 1 other road's 3di's (I-205) and, although
they parallel each other within a quarter mile for close to a mile,
the relationship remains purely professional (a full 8 ramps), not
pedophilic (4 ramps with mainline connections).
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Jake Brzeskiewicz
> ... and we'll not even talk about the gay incest of I-580, I-680,
> I-780, and I-880 in California
Strictly speaking, none of those constitute a 'relationship' as a
relationship have been defined as where ever two highways duplex.
There's only one instance of 'kids' hooking up with each other: I-271 &
I-480 in Cleveland.
There is a close call, though. I should've included this in my I-90/94
saga, but two of thier Chicago offspring, I-290 & I-294 flirt with each
other for quite some time before deciding against it.
Andrew Tompkins wrote:
> And it only meets up with 1 other road's 3di's (I-205) and, although
> they parallel each other within a quarter mile for close to a mile,
> the relationship remains purely professional (a full 8 ramps), not
> pedophilic (4 ramps with mainline connections).
'Pedophilia' on the other hand, is a little more widespread.
Tragically, many are incestuous as well:
I-95 turned to it's offspring I-495 as an outlet when it couldn't
handle the stress of partisan politics in Washington.
I-83 and I-695
I-96 and I-275
I-94 and I-694. Or maybe I-694 just wanted to see it's sibling again.
After all, they were born together.
I-29 is a repeat offender. First with I-435, and then again with
I-680. Then they sent off I-29 to be far from anybody's kids but it's
own. I guess that set I-29 straight.
As mentioned before, I-87 has an affair with it's offspring, I-287.
I-440 has had transgressions with it's parents. But they just may end
thier relationship and go back to being a normal parent and offspring.
I-84 is the Michael Jackson of interstate highways. It's close
relationship with I-205 might look bad, but we got no evidence on him.
I-75 and I-640
I-35 and I-410
When I-43 found out I-94 was just dating her just to make I-90 jealous,
she got back at him by sleeping with his son, I-894.
As for I-80 and I-580, they might be in denial about the whole thing.
How else did you get from Oakland to San Rafeal, I-580?
Now then, arn't we all just creeped out and disgusted that this kind of
behavior is so rampant in the interstate highway system?
Magyar
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> Kurumi wrote:
>> Overlapping 2di's means "Carnal Relations." These can be straight
>> (20/59), gay (80/90), three-way (39/90/94), or former (84/87). Note that
>> gay overlaps are not found in the South, except in Atlanta.
>>
>> Some 2di's are monogamous (notably the pious I-59), yet others are,
>> let's face it, sluts (I-64, who rarely met a 2di it wouldn't overlap
>> with).
>
> 1973 with the birth of his son, I-270. 270 goes on to a happy career in
> politics, and raises a son in Montgomery County who is really growing up
> pretty nicely. I-70 never meets his daughter-in-law, and passes away
> quietly before ever meeting her mother.
>
I think dual-personality disorder is a good way to describe the splits along
I-35 in Dallas/Ft. Worth & the Twin Cities.
Many of the interstates suffered from dual-personality disorder in their
youth.
--
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Cameron Kaiser
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85 and 95 desperately wanted children in Virginia, but the breakup went
so badly that both 385 and 795 were aborted by the Richmond-Petersburg
Turnpike surrogate mother.
485 is surviving OK in NC despite some growing pains, but 85 was going
through some very rough times when 585 was born in Spartanburg; things
got so bad that 585 stuck with his partner US 176 even through at-grade
intersections, and 85 will only talk to his son via his business
manager now.
Steve
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> I petition Marc Fannin to add a new section on the mating habits of
> Interstate highways to the FAQ.
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interstates (8 and 10, soon to be 5 in CA, none in NV, 70 and 80 in UT,
86 in UT and ID and 90 in MT), which is few for such a long highway.
Larry Harvilla
Methinks you meant to say "84 in UT and 86 in ID," not "86 in UT and ID."
Cameron Kaiser
>>Consider that 15 only currently intersects six, soon to be seven, other
>>interstates (8 and 10, soon to be 5 in CA, none in NV, 70 and 80 in UT,
>>86 in UT and ID and 90 in MT), which is few for such a long highway.
>Methinks you meant to say "84 in UT and 86 in ID," not "86 in UT and ID."
Which reminds me. Why is there a I-15/I-84 multiplex in Utah at all? It
seems it's only there to facilitate that tiny stub of I-84 connecting to I-80
(which could just as easily been state highway or some such).
big...@yahoo.com
Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>
> Which reminds me. Why is there a I-15/I-84 multiplex in Utah at all? It
> seems it's only there to facilitate that tiny stub of I-84 connecting to I-80
> (which could just as easily been state highway or some such).
>
The reason dates back to when I-84 was I-80N; then it had to connect to
mainline I-80. I disagree that the multiplex is unnecessary; having
I-84 here makes for better route continuity.
If you were to argue that I-86, a 2di, is wasted on the former I-15W in
Idaho, I would join you there. This could easily be a 3di, or just be
signed US 30. By the way, trivia question: back in the heyday of
suffixed interstates, was I-80N/I-15W the only intersection of suffixed
routes of different interstates, or were there any others? Obviously,
there were (and still are) several intersections of suffixed routes
from the same interstate.
Chris
The Chief Instigator
>Larry Harvilla <ro...@phatpage.org> writes:
>>>Consider that 15 only currently intersects six, soon to be seven, other
>>>interstates (8 and 10, soon to be 5 in CA, none in NV, 70 and 80 in UT,
>>>86 in UT and ID and 90 in MT), which is few for such a long highway.
>>Methinks you meant to say "84 in UT and 86 in ID," not "86 in UT and ID."
>Which reminds me. Why is there a I-15/I-84 multiplex in Utah at all? It
>seems it's only there to facilitate that tiny stub of I-84 connecting to I-80
>(which could just as easily been state highway or some such).
I-84 was the best the FHWA could come up with as a replacement designation for
I-80N. Portland all the way to northeast of SLC is a pretty long stub. :-)
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>
> Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>
> > Which reminds me. Why is there a I-15/I-84 multiplex in Utah at all? It
> > seems it's only there to facilitate that tiny stub of I-84 connecting to I-80
> > (which could just as easily been state highway or some such).
>
> The reason dates back to when I-84 was I-80N; then it had to connect to
> mainline I-80. I disagree that the multiplex is unnecessary; having
> I-84 here makes for better route continuity.
That easternmost section of I-84 is 31 miles long, and the overlap
section of I-15/I-84 is 40 miles long, so the easternmost section of
I-84 is long enough to be the logical Interstate route replacement of
I-80N, and certainly warrants an Interstate route number of some sort.
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Cameron Kaiser
>>Which reminds me. Why is there a I-15/I-84 multiplex in Utah at all? It
>>seems it's only there to facilitate that tiny stub of I-84 connecting to I-80
>>(which could just as easily been state highway or some such).
>The reason dates back to when I-84 was I-80N; then it had to connect to
>mainline I-80. I disagree that the multiplex is unnecessary; having
>I-84 here makes for better route continuity.
I'd forgotten about the I-80N history of that route, although I'm not sure
what you mean by better continuity. Why couldn't it be, say, a 3di off I-80
or I-15?
Marc Fannin
big...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>
> > Which reminds me. Why is there a I-15/I-84 multiplex in Utah at all? It
> > seems it's only there to facilitate that tiny stub of I-84 connecting to I-80
> > (which could just as easily been state highway or some such).
>
> The reason dates back to when I-84 was I-80N; then it had to connect to
> mainline I-80. I disagree that the multiplex is unnecessary; having
> I-84 here makes for better route continuity.
FWIW, this section wasn't in the original plans - compare the maps at
http://www.roadfan.com/5758int.html
Marc Fannin
> Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>
> > Which reminds me. Why is there a I-15/I-84 multiplex in Utah at all? It
> > seems it's only there to facilitate that tiny stub of I-84 connecting to I-80
> > (which could just as easily been state highway or some such).
> >
>
> The reason dates back to when I-84 was I-80N; then it had to connect to
> mainline I-80. I disagree that the multiplex is unnecessary; having
> I-84 here makes for better route continuity.
FWIW, that section wasn't originally planned - compare the two maps on
big...@yahoo.com
I-80 into Utah and your destination is Oregon/Washington, then you get
on I-84 and just follow it, as opposed to taking three differently
signed routes: an I-x80 or I-x15 to Ogden, I-15 to Tremonton, and then
finally I-84. Granted, this may not be a big deal to those of us who
can read maps, but it is more convenient to the general traveling
public.
Since we're on the subject of I-84: I've always felt it would have
been better to give this route I-82 and make the existing I-82 into an
odd 1 or 2di or an x90. It seems silly to recycle the number of an
existing east coast interstate to preserve the number of a short route
that is just as N-S as it is E-W. Also, that would've avoided the
anomaly of I-82 being north of I-84. What's done is done, though; I
certainly wouldn't advocate the expense of changing it over now.
Chris
Steve Sobol
> Tonight, I have commenced work on my Interstate 15 page for the Highways
> section of my site. As I was compiling the lists of junctions with
> non-related (non-x15) Interstates, I realized something: I-15 does not
> touch any 3dIs that aren't its own children.
>
> It comes damn close -- when it is extended along current SR 15 in San
> Diego, it will cross I-805, and if/when Caltrans ever decides to
> re-route I-210 along the Foothill Fwy east from CA 57, it will at least
> touch I-210 -- currently it only meets CA 210. From there north, though,
> the only 3dIs it even comes close to are its own spawn of x15s.
It will touch I-210, according to WestCoastRoads.com, probably within the
next couple years. I-210 will go from its current western terminus in the
Foothills northeast of Los Angeles, to Redlands where it'll hit I-10. Again
according to WCR, part of it is still California 210 because AASHTO didn't
approve designating the new part as Interstate yet. CA-210 is currently
built out only to Sierra Avenue, about 4-5 miles east of the I-15.
The 210 is supposed to be completed in '07.
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