Passing On a Combination Solid & Dashed White Line
Nick C
on truck lanes and on acceleration/deceleration lanes. On truck lanes, a
dashed double white line is often used. However, when they approach the
taper (or in the case of acceleration/deceleration lanes), there is a solid
white line on one side and a dashed white line on the other side; the dashed
white line faces the lane that is ending.
My question is whether it is illegal or merely discouraged to enter the lane
when the solid white line is on your side. I know passing on a double solid
white line is illegal and passing on a single solid white line is
discouraged. If this pattern were treated like the yellow version, I would
imagine it illegal. However, I cannot find anything in the drivers' manuals
for these states illustrating these lane markings.
Otto Yamamoto
Crossing a solid line-white or yellow is disallowed. That's why they are
there-I guess the states that use the markings assume that's common
knowledge.
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richard
The reasoning for that is to tell drivers in the continuing lane passing is
verboten.
While it is safe for the ending lane users to merge.
A solid white line is the same as a double yellow line.
It means no passing.
A double yellow will be used only as a means to seperate the two
directions.
John A. Weeks III
"Nick C" <mast...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> My question is whether it is illegal or merely discouraged to enter the lane
> when the solid white line is on your side. I know passing on a double solid
> white line is illegal and passing on a single solid white line is
> discouraged. If this pattern were treated like the yellow version, I would
> imagine it illegal. However, I cannot find anything in the drivers' manuals
> for these states illustrating these lane markings.
I am not sure about your state, but here in MN and next door in WI,
it is illegal to cross a solid white line unless you are turning
into a private driveway.
-john-
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Steve A
EVERYONE is wrong and the OP is right. You are discouraged but NOT
expressly prohibited from crossing a single white line. The question
therefore stands as written. I believe, though, because the dashed
stripe constitutes a second "line" that you really can't use that lane
for passing. Now, that said, it doesn't seem to stop people, whereas
the double solid stripe tends to work well.
Guy Olsen
> In article <h84hht$nm...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Nick C" <maste...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > My question is whether it is illegal or merely discouraged to enter the lane
> > when the solid white line is on your side. I know passing on a double solid
> > white line is illegal and passing on a single solid white line is
> > discouraged. If this pattern were treated like the yellow version, I would
> > imagine it illegal. However, I cannot find anything in the drivers' manuals
> > for these states illustrating these lane markings.
>
> I am not sure about your state, but here in MN and next door in WI,
> it is illegal to cross a solid white line unless you are turning
> into a private driveway.
If that is the case, then MN and WI are not in compliance with the
MUTCD. It clearly states that a double solid white line is to be used
to prohibit crossing, while a single solid white line is to be used to
discourage crossing.
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2003r1r2/ch3.pdf Scroll to page 3B-11
Note the use of the word "shall", the MUTCD's most unequivocal verb.
Guy Olsen, PE(NJ), PTOE
Froggie
>
> > My question is whether it is illegal or merely discouraged to enter the lane
> > when the solid white line is on your side. I know passing on a double solid
> > white line is illegal and passing on a single solid white line is
> > discouraged. If this pattern were treated like the yellow version, I would
> > imagine it illegal. However, I cannot find anything in the drivers' manuals
> > for these states illustrating these lane markings.
>
> I am not sure about your state, but here in MN and next door in WI,
> it is illegal to cross a solid white line unless you are turning
> into a private driveway.
I couldn't find anything in the Minnesota state statutes to support
this. If you know which section/subdivision, I'd like to read it.
But the Minnesota Driver's Manual (
http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/DLTraining/DLManual/PDF/2008ClassD/08%20Chap5%20FINAL.pdf
) states this (pg 59 of the manual, pg 14 of the PDF):
- A solid white line indicates that lane changes are discouraged in
areas where this type of marking is present.
- Double solid white lines indicate that lane changes are prohibited
in areas where this type of marking is present.
So in Minnesota, lane changing across a solid white line is
discouraged, but not outright illegal.
Froggie | Minneapolis, MN native | http://www.ajfroggie.com/roads/
Larry G
> > On Sep 8, 1:06 am, "John A. Weeks III" <j...@johnweeks.com> wrote:
>
> > > My question is whether it is illegal or merely discouraged to enter the lane
> > > when the solid white line is on your side. I know passing on a double solid
> > > white line is illegal and passing on a single solid white line is
> > > discouraged. If this pattern were treated like the yellow version, I would
> > > imagine it illegal. However, I cannot find anything in the drivers' manuals
> > > for these states illustrating these lane markings.
>
> > I am not sure about your state, but here in MN and next door in WI,
> > it is illegal to cross a solid white line unless you are turning
> > into a private driveway.
>
> I couldn't find anything in the Minnesota state statutes to support
> this. If you know which section/subdivision, I'd like to read it.
>
> ) states this (pg 59 of the manual, pg 14 of the PDF):
>
> - A solid white line indicates that lane changes are discouraged in
> areas where this type of marking is present.
>
> - Double solid white lines indicate that lane changes are prohibited
> in areas where this type of marking is present.
>
> So in Minnesota, lane changing across a solid white line is
> discouraged, but not outright illegal.
this explains why some folks have one heck of a time merging on the
expressways...
things like this - that do matter - they need to be in the driver's
manual and on the test...
we have too many drivers that are timid and/or hesitant because they
are simply unsure what is "legal" and they are such goody-two-shoes
about wanting to "obey" that they'll screw up traffic all around them
by being "careful".
I'm actually in favor of a new class of tickets " driving in such a
way as to screw up traffic flow".
;-)
Clark F Morris
And then there are lane markings that vary in meaning. In Nova
Scotia, the solid white line at the end of a climbing lane means that
people are not to pass vehicles that are in the climbing lane while in
Newfoundland in means that the climbing lane is to stay in lane and
yield to the passing lane. I haven't seen the solid white line at the
end of climbing lanes in any other jurisdiction. The solid white line
has other meanings in other contexts in Nova Scotia. We also have
traffic lights in Halifax, Nova Scotia where the traffic light is only
on the main road with pedestrian activated walk signals for crossing
the main road and the side street has a stop sign. Thus someone has
to pull out on to the main road looking like they are running a red
light.
Larry G
I always cut folks with out of state tags some slack... but native
drivers need to know the rules in their own state - especially for
those lines and signs that if not properly understood - lead to
needless congestion, and sometimes accidents.
I say - put these things on the test. If you fail that part of the
test then make it mandatory that you go back and re-learn and re-take
the test until you pass and a kicker. For the ones that fail the first
or second time - limit their licenses so they have to be re-tested
more frequently to make sure they learned the lesson.
Clark F Morris
I suspect half the drivers in Nova Scotia don't know the meaning of a
solid white line at the end of a passing/climbing lane and since it is
unique to Nova Scotia, I contend this non-standard, non-intuitive
marking is a safety hazard.
Nathan Perry
<602ba833-a009-43da...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
Steve A <webm...@alpsroads.net> wrote:
> EVERYONE is wrong and the OP is right. You are discouraged but NOT
> expressly prohibited from crossing a single white line. The question
> therefore stands as written. I believe, though, because the dashed
> stripe constitutes a second "line" that you really can't use that lane
> for passing. Now, that said, it doesn't seem to stop people, whereas
> the double solid stripe tends to work well.
I agree; while you may cross a single solid white line if you absolutely
must, we're talking instead about a double line, half of which is solid
and the other half dashed. In that context, just as with a yellow
centerline, you may not cross if you are on the solid side.
And besides, in the acceleration lane scenario we're talking about,
crossing the solid line to pass someone on the right would run you right
off the road in most cases!
GK
Waay back there in seminary school, as the Doors would say, anyway back
in the 70's I had a NJ trooper explain that you can pass where there is
a single solid line if you could see ahead a certain number of feet.
Too busy to look it up now, but maybe when I get a chance I'll check
further.
GK