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Marc Fannin

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Jun 26, 2002, 3:16:25 PM6/26/02
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Had a concert yesterday (25) in Chautauqua, NY.
http://www.chautauqua-inst.org/week1.html Route out: From Lake Co.,
Ohio, I-90 EB to Ashtabula area (driving), I-90 EB to I-86 EB to NY
394 NB (riding); route back: NY 394 NB to CR 33 SB to I-86 WB to I-90
WB

Not much to add to others' comments or the same trip I made in 1999
for the same reason (
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=7b7c824eb5dac43d ,
http://www.roadfan.com/panypics.html ), just a couple of things:

-- As I said recently here, the I-90 Ohio portion I used has a total
absence of slow drivers in the left lane, contrary to some comments
otherwise about Ohio highways in general.

-- Weird PA 89 markers on the I-86 offramps (very big, numbers
centered high)

-- NY marks emergency turnarounds with a six-numeral-one-letter code.

-- First time seeing the I-86/NY 17/Southern Tier Expressway
Chautauqua Lake bridge in the daylight (in the distance, anyways).
Has more elevation in the middle than I thought.

-- Countdown pedestrian marker at the intersection of NY 394 and the
Chautauqua parking lot/gate access (ped signals in top lens, countdown
in bottom). Recent threads:
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=6fe20818dcb09bd4
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=d6ee2393923372bb
(No, I'm not asking for other locations as those threads should take
care of that, and the second has a post by David Greenberger with
links to photos)

I will entertain any questions about the trip (no, I took no photos,
and no, still no leftover signage spotted for the old PA 17 along
I-86).

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Jeff Kitsko

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Jun 26, 2002, 7:10:18 PM6/26/02
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"Marc Fannin" <musx...@kent.edu> wrote in message
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> Had a concert yesterday (25) in Chautauqua, NY.
> http://www.chautauqua-inst.org/week1.html Route out: From Lake Co.,
> Ohio, I-90 EB to Ashtabula area (driving), I-90 EB to I-86 EB to NY
> 394 NB (riding); route back: NY 394 NB to CR 33 SB to I-86 WB to I-90
> WB
>
> Not much to add to others' comments or the same trip I made in 1999
> for the same reason (
> http://groups.google.com/groups?th=7b7c824eb5dac43d ,
> http://www.roadfan.com/panypics.html ), just a couple of things:
>
> -- As I said recently here, the I-90 Ohio portion I used has a total
> absence of slow drivers in the left lane, contrary to some comments
> otherwise about Ohio highways in general.

I never said anything about slow Ohio drivers in the fast lane on Ohio
Interstates. Chris and I have both had accounts of Ohio drivers actions in
each of our respective states. I just got back from being in the Buckeye
State for three days, and there is no slow driving. So what is going on?
Chemical change once you see the "Welcome to...." sign?

So going through Pennsylvania, which lane were you in? I am putting my
money on the left one.

--
Jeff Kitsko
Pennsylvania Highways: http://www.pahighways.com/
Pittsburgh Highways: http://www.pahighways.com/pghhwys/
Philadelphia Highways: http://www.pahighways.com/phlhwys/


Adam Prince

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Jun 26, 2002, 10:23:56 PM6/26/02
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"Jeff Kitsko" <webm...@pahighways.com> wrote in message
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> "Marc Fannin" <musx...@kent.edu> wrote in message
> news:cc3aa42a.02062...@posting.google.com...
> > Had a concert yesterday (25) in Chautauqua, NY.
> > http://www.chautauqua-inst.org/week1.html Route out: From Lake Co.,
> > Ohio, I-90 EB to Ashtabula area (driving), I-90 EB to I-86 EB to NY
> > 394 NB (riding); route back: NY 394 NB to CR 33 SB to I-86 WB to I-90
> > WB
> >
> > Not much to add to others' comments or the same trip I made in 1999
> > for the same reason (
> > http://groups.google.com/groups?th=7b7c824eb5dac43d ,
> > http://www.roadfan.com/panypics.html ), just a couple of things:
> >
> > -- As I said recently here, the I-90 Ohio portion I used has a total
> > absence of slow drivers in the left lane, contrary to some comments
> > otherwise about Ohio highways in general.
>
> I never said anything about slow Ohio drivers in the fast lane on Ohio
> Interstates. Chris and I have both had accounts of Ohio drivers actions
in
> each of our respective states.

I see it here in North Carolina all the time....


I just got back from being in the Buckeye
> State for three days, and there is no slow driving.

And you survived? Wow, an amazing accomplishment


>
> So going through Pennsylvania, which lane were you in? I am putting my
> money on the left one.

Well the old saying is; "If you can't drive it; don't buy it"

AKirsc5653

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Jun 26, 2002, 11:34:36 PM6/26/02
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>
>-- NY marks emergency turnarounds with a six-numeral-one-letter code

Only certain regions of the NYSDOT do that. I've seen it only in Region 3
(Syracuse area, eastern Finger Lakes) and Region 6 (Southern Tier, from Hornell
to just before Binghamton), and I guess they now have them in Region 5 too
(that's the Buffalo/Niagara Falls/Jamestown area.)

In general, NYSDOT stuff varies quite a bit from region to region. Traffic
lights, signs, and highway lights are often noticeably different in, say, Long
Island, from in Rochester.

:-) Andrew

Chris Bessert

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Jun 27, 2002, 7:31:43 AM6/27/02
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Jeff Kitsko wrote:

>
> "Marc Fannin" <musx...@kent.edu> wrote:
> > -- As I said recently here, the I-90 Ohio portion I used has a total
> > absence of slow drivers in the left lane, contrary to some comments
> > otherwise about Ohio highways in general.
>
> I never said anything about slow Ohio drivers in the fast lane on Ohio
> Interstates. Chris and I have both had accounts of Ohio drivers actions in
> each of our respective states. I just got back from being in the Buckeye
> State for three days, and there is no slow driving. So what is going on?
> Chemical change once you see the "Welcome to...." sign?

(I assume I'm the Chris in question... :^)

I think Jeff has a good point. In Ohio (recall: round on ends/high in
middle), the speed limit is 65 wonderful miles-per-hour and motorists
tend to average about 62-63 mph (unscientific, based on estimates),
with the fastest drivers hitting the 67 mph mark. Here in Michigan,
the speed limit is 70 mph and the average is more like 75-77 mph, with
the fastest drivers hitting the 85-87 mph mark. Regularly.

An Ohioan driving 62-63 mph in the left lane of I-75 near Bowling Green
won't cause much of a backup. An Ohioan driving 62-63 mph in the left
lane of I-75 (we have three lanes here in Michigan) near Monroe -- with
a steady stream of Michiganders and Ontarians blowing by them in the
right and center lanes at 10 and 20 mph faster is a major traffic
hazard.

They should erect signs along I-75 and US-23 just shy of the Michigan
state line which implore Ohioans (and others who intend on remaining
in that 62-63 mph range) to PLEASE move right and to KEEP RIGHT except
to pass... although those Ohioans will likely find little need to pass
anyone in Michigan...

Later,
Chris

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Bess...@aol.com
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Marc Fannin

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Jun 27, 2002, 3:15:22 PM6/27/02
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akirs...@cs.com (AKirsc5653) wrote...

> [Marc Fannin wrote:]


>
> >-- NY marks emergency turnarounds with a six-numeral-one-letter code
>

> Only certain regions of the NYSDOT do that. I've seen it only in Region 3...
> and Region 6..., and I guess they now have them in Region 5 too....


>
> In general, NYSDOT stuff varies quite a bit from region to region. Traffic
> lights, signs, and highway lights are often noticeably different in, say, Long
> Island, from in Rochester.

Yeah, I might have figured -- that's what I get for commenting after
only being in a small part of the state. I've seen variations of
other things between different regions/districts in other states. I'm
sure that this also leads to the chance that someone will get the
impression that a certain state's roads/signage is lousy when in fact
it's just the one region/district in the state/province in which they
happened to be which was not holding up their end of the bargain.

(BTW, other than being in Region 11 two days in 1997, I haven't been
in any region but Region 5 since 1983, and that was mostly on the
non-NYSDOT Thruway.)

Marc Fannin

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Jun 27, 2002, 3:37:52 PM6/27/02
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"Jeff Kitsko" <webm...@pahighways.com> wrote...

> "Marc Fannin" <musx...@kent.edu> wrote...


>
> > Had a concert yesterday (25) in Chautauqua, NY.
> > http://www.chautauqua-inst.org/week1.html Route out: From Lake Co.,
> > Ohio, I-90 EB to Ashtabula area (driving), I-90 EB to I-86 EB to NY
> > 394 NB (riding); route back: NY 394 NB to CR 33 SB to I-86 WB to I-90
> > WB
> >

> > -- As I said recently here, the I-90 Ohio portion I used has a total
> > absence of slow drivers in the left lane, contrary to some comments
> > otherwise about Ohio highways in general.
>
> I never said anything about slow Ohio drivers in the fast lane on Ohio
> Interstates. Chris and I have both had accounts of Ohio drivers actions in
> each of our respective states. I just got back from being in the Buckeye
> State for three days, and there is no slow driving. So what is going on?
> Chemical change once you see the "Welcome to...." sign?
>
> So going through Pennsylvania, which lane were you in? I am putting my
> money on the left one.

Uh, no. When I drive wherever, regardless of state lines, I drive in
the right lane most of the time, and constantly check my mirror when
I'm in the left lane passing, in case someone comes up behind me and I
need to move over (remember, while my car has Ohio plates, my driving
fundamentals are NOT based in Ohio since I was a roadgeek long before
I moved here). Of course, if you check the above, you'll see I wasn't
driving in PA this time, and while the driver is originally from
Brownsville, PA (US 40/Nat'l Rd at the Mon R. for others), he does
have Ohio plates, and yet still was driving the way I said I do above,
and in fact we got behind someone in the left lane on I-86 in NY doing
what you complain about, and IIRC (it was dark), the plates were not
Ohio. So it doesn't happen like you say all the time, even though you
may have had some bad experiences.

But thanks for asking.

(Perhaps this should be moved over to rec.autos.driving , more
appropriate there)

Adam Prince

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Jun 27, 2002, 5:25:50 PM6/27/02
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Damn Marc, talk about being defensive...

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Jeff Kitsko

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Jun 27, 2002, 5:51:16 PM6/27/02
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I don't see anything where you said "I wasn't driving, so-and-so was
driving."

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Pittsburgh Highways: http://www.pahighways.com/pghhwys/
Philadelphia Highways: http://www.pahighways.com/phlhwys/

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Adam Prince

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Jun 27, 2002, 5:29:00 PM6/27/02
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I work with a guy originally from Michigan and he notices the same thing
about Ohio drivers as well..

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Andrew Muck

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Jun 27, 2002, 8:10:27 PM6/27/02
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Chris Bessert <Bess...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<3D1AF5EA...@aol.com>...
> Jeff Kitsko wrote:
> >
> > "Marc Fannin" <musx...@kent.edu> wrote:
> > > -- As I said recently here, the I-90 Ohio portion I used has a total
> > > absence of slow drivers in the left lane, contrary to some comments
> > > otherwise about Ohio highways in general.

I will agree from my Ohio driving experience, the driving on 90 is
pretty good along with many of the other interstates within a close
proximity of Cleveland, this could be the more urban atmosphere or the
closeness to New York, which FME, has pretty good drivers. But this
quality of driving is not found on 80 or 76 and other roads.

> > I never said anything about slow Ohio drivers in the fast lane on Ohio
> > Interstates. Chris and I have both had accounts of Ohio drivers actions in
> > each of our respective states. I just got back from being in the Buckeye
> > State for three days, and there is no slow driving.

Well, no offense, Jeff, but IMO every state drives faster than
Pennsylvania. FME, PA has some of the slowest drivers I've seen.
MOST, (not all) Pennsylvanians I've seen take forever to pass another
vehicle and then "float" back into the right lane without a turn
signal. But at least PA'ers keep to the right!

> I think Jeff has a good point. In Ohio (recall: round on ends/high in
> middle), the speed limit is 65 wonderful miles-per-hour and motorists
> tend to average about 62-63 mph (unscientific, based on estimates),
> with the fastest drivers hitting the 67 mph mark.

In WNY, (where's its still 65) FME, people usually go about 67-73,
with the highest being about 74-78.

> Here in Michigan,
> the speed limit is 70 mph and the average is more like 75-77 mph, with
> the fastest drivers hitting the 85-87 mph mark. Regularly.
>
> An Ohioan driving 62-63 mph in the left lane of I-75 near Bowling Green
> won't cause much of a backup. An Ohioan driving 62-63 mph in the left
> lane of I-75 (we have three lanes here in Michigan) near Monroe -- with
> a steady stream of Michiganders and Ontarians blowing by them in the
> right and center lanes at 10 and 20 mph faster is a major traffic
> hazard.

Different places have different definitions of whats fast, for example
on the German autobahn, one may have to be doing about 130 mph to be
in the left lane!

> They should erect signs along I-75 and US-23 just shy of the Michigan
> state line which implore Ohioans (and others who intend on remaining
> in that 62-63 mph range) to PLEASE move right and to KEEP RIGHT except
> to pass... although those Ohioans will likely find little need to pass
> anyone in Michigan...

They don't have them already! The Erie Section of the NY Thruway is
littered with them.

Andrew Muck

Marc Fannin

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Jun 28, 2002, 7:33:36 PM6/28/02
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"Jeff Kitsko" <webm...@pahighways.com> wrote...

> I don't see anything where you said "I wasn't driving, so-and-so was
> driving."

Re-read this:

o Had a concert yesterday (25) in Chautauqua, NY.
o http://www.chautauqua-inst.org/week1.html Route out: From Lake Co.,
o Ohio, I-90 EB to Ashtabula area (driving), I-90 EB to I-86 EB to NY
o 394 NB (riding); [snip]

Jeff Kitsko

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Jun 29, 2002, 4:14:04 AM6/29/02
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Philadelphia Highways: http://www.pahighways.com/phlhwys/

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