Palatine Rd?
SPUI
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Rich Carlson, N9JIG
"SPUI" <sp...@mit.BUTIDONTLIKESPeduAM> wrote:
> Was Palatine Rd north of Chicago IL supposed to be a full freeway, or a
> numbered route?
>
No on both. It was built by Cook County during the late 1960's or early
1970's as a "Junior Expressway". This included C-D lanes, major cross
roads bridged and signals at lesser roads. The Junior Expressway portion
extended from IL-53 on the west to I-294 on the west. Over the years the
east and west ends have been rebuilt to more of a conventional
multi-laned configuration while the middle sections have been pretty
much left alone.
Palatine Road has never had a route number assigned. One has been
considered for it should the reconstruction of Willow Road in Northfield
ever gets done. The IDOT "Strategic Regional Artery" (SRA) program that
resulted in the extension of IL-171 along Cumberland Ave. also includes
Palatine Road/Willow Road. The actual number considered has yet to be
discussed, there are more important things to be considered.
Cook County has not been real keen on numbering it's roads. Recently
improved Lake Cook Road has been signed as CR A-50 and I have heard that
a route in the southern section of the county (Archer?) also has a route
number posted but that is pretty much it for Cook County.
This was built a few years after the major Chicago Expressways were
built. Most people do not realize this but the bulk of the Chicago
Expressway system was built as a Cook County project, with assistance
from the City of Chicago and IDOT. While the bulk of the money came from
federal sources the County was the lead agency on the expressways. Of
course this was during the reign of the late King Richard I (as in
Daley) who not only ran Chicago but pretty much controlled the Cook
County Board as well...
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Scott O. Kuznicki
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> In article <3da94c93$0$3944$b45e...@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
> "SPUI" <sp...@mit.BUTIDONTLIKESPeduAM> wrote:
>
> > Was Palatine Rd north of Chicago IL supposed to be a full freeway, or a
> > numbered route?
> Cook County has not been real keen on numbering it's [sic] roads.
Actually, all Cook County highways are numbered . . . just not posted. The
numbering scheme matches that of Lake and McHenry Counties (and is simliar
to Iowa's), with most Cook highways being B and W prefixed. The A50 you see
(just west of I-294) is a Lake County sign, isn't it?
At any rate, all of the County highway numbers are shown in the Cook County
Atlas, available from the County for $25. I use one at work and it is very
comprehensive and accurate. If you do much in Cook County, and like the
"old" look of a map (where the roads are two lines, like a plat map), this
is a worthwhile investment, even if just to ultimately add to a map
collection. It even shows "proposed" and "dead" County routes.
> Palatine Road has never had a route number assigned. One has been
> considered for it should the reconstruction of Willow Road in Northfield
> ever gets done.
BTW, there are no plans to number Palatine Rd at this point, even though it
is a State route from 62 all the way east.
What road is it that you're thinking of in southern Cook? I've never seen
any signs, but that doesn't mean there aren't any stragglers out there.
Scott Kuznicki
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Chris Aseltine
>> Palatine Road has never had a route number assigned. One has been
>> considered for it should the reconstruction of Willow Road in Northfield
>> ever gets done.
>
> BTW, there are no plans to number Palatine Rd at this point, even though
> it is a State route from 62 all the way east.
Do you have any new information about plans for reconstruction from IL-53
eastward?
Rich Carlson, N9JIG
The A-50 signs recently posted all say "Cook County" on them. Older
signs posted on a couple of the Lake County roads that intersect them
were of the same 5 sided style but omitted the county name, leading me
to believe they were posted by Lake County. Originally there was only a
single county marker on Lake Cook itself, WB at the WC railroad bridge
west of IL-21 but that disappeared during a landscaping project.
There are now several signs along the recently rebuilt section east of
IL-21 to I-94.
Someone on MTR or Roadgeek mentioned seeing County route markers in the
SW Cook area, perhaps on Archer Av, but it was a year or so ago and I
can't recall the specifics. I have never seen them elsewhere personally.
Brandon Gorte
> Someone on MTR or Roadgeek mentioned seeing County route markers in the
> SW Cook area, perhaps on Archer Av, but it was a year or so ago and I
> can't recall the specifics. I have never seen them elsewhere personally.
I've been up and down Archer from its beginning to Joliet (where it's
Collins St), and the only markers along it are for IL-171 after the
intersection with First Av, west of Harlem.
Brandon Gorte
Joliet, IL
Dennis McClendon
> all of the County highway numbers are shown in the Cook County
> Atlas, available from the County for $25.
However, to purchase one the county bureaucrats force you to fill out a
form with your name, address and phone number. They claim there's
absolutely no way around this, even if you can figure out a way to pay
in cash. The atlas is not sold by any map store or normal retail
outlet.
Scott O. Kuznicki
remain near Kensington Dr, due to local concerns, but will be totally
eliminated east of US 12.
As I understand it, the road will be three lanes in each direction. I'm not
sure about the median, though, if it will be 30' or 18'. It needs to be 30'
if they want dual lefts anywhere and I can't remember if I saw dual lefts,
but I'm guessing 30' . . .
The IL 83 and IL 21 interchanges will remain.
Scott Kuznicki
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SPUI
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> Last I heard (about a year ago), the frontage roads are history. They might
> remain near Kensington Dr, due to local concerns, but will be totally
> eliminated east of US 12.
>
> As I understand it, the road will be three lanes in each direction. I'm not
> sure about the median, though, if it will be 30' or 18'. It needs to be 30'
> if they want dual lefts anywhere and I can't remember if I saw dual lefts,
> but I'm guessing 30' . . .
>
> The IL 83 and IL 21 interchanges will remain.
Does anyone have photos of the frontage roads, including signage, or have plans
to get photos?
Chris Aseltine
> "Scott O. Kuznicki" <scott_k...@hotmail.NOSPAM> wrote:
>
>> Last I heard (about a year ago), the frontage roads are history. They
>> might remain near Kensington Dr, due to local concerns, but will be
>> totally eliminated east of US 12.
>
> Does anyone have photos of the frontage roads, including signage, or have
> plans to get photos?
My street at home ends at Palatine Rd. Next time I'm home, I can snap some
for you, if you'd like. However, I doubt they're really going anywhere
anytime soon.. :)
sbr...@gmail.com
I've put together a website for Palatine Road. It proposes what IDOT or the county should have done a long time ago: upgrade Palatine Road to a freeway between Illinois Route 53 and I-294 (Tri-State).
I would like to start a citizens group of some kind so that we have backing for such a proposal the next time the road needs improvements due to decay.
Check it out:
http://www.palatineroad.com
Dan: In the 60's, Cook County intended it to be a partial freeway with grade separations at a few more intersections. However, they ran out of money.
In the early 90's IDOT recommended it be upgraded to a full freeway after 2010.
Steve