Worst place to miss an exit
Bruce Kanin
highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
forced to go to the next exit.
There are surely a lot of these, but what are the WORST?
Guesses:
Florida Turnpike was mentioned, presumably north of Fort Pierce
I-70 in Colorado
I-15 in California (near Nevada)
(Hey, here's a mini-WORST, a personal one: when I leave my house in
North Merrick, NY and head west on the Southern State Parkway and then
exit for the Meadowbrook State Parkway north, I'll realize something
back at home that I needed (it's a condition called CRS - "Can't
Remember Sh*t). Once you get on the Meadowbrook north at that point,
it's a real pain, because the next exit isn't until Hempstead
Turnpike.)
-Bruce K.
"Truth, Justice and the Milky Way"
Bryn Buck
>Florida Turnpike was mentioned, presumably north of Fort Pierce
>I-70 in Colorado
>I-15 in California (near Nevada)
An 18 mile gap between exits would mean a 36 mile round trip back to the exit
you need. Just looking at my Rand McNally shows there to be an 18 mile gap in
Texas on I-35 near Laredo.
The UK has one gap that's 18 miles, and another that's 17.
France has gaps of up to nearly 25 miles between exits, and that's the norm
rurally...
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Bryn Buck
British Roadgeek
http://www.lmars.co.uk
Sam Smith
where it's something like 50 miles between exits.
Within the US interstate/non-tolled freeway system, it's on I-80 in Utah's
Bonneville Salt Flats--something like 43 miles between Knolls and the
Bonneville Speedway. (Of course, it's not very likely that anyone's going
to be missing the exit for Knolls...there's nothing there that anyone would
want to get off for....)
SS
michael d
"Sam Smith" <sas...@uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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I may be wrong. But I do know there are places on the turnpike and
indiana toll road where if you miss an exit there isn't anything but
farmland for the next 20 or so miles til the next exit.
Stéphane Dumas
> I may be wrong. But I do know there are places on the turnpike and
> indiana toll road where if you miss an exit there isn't anything but
> farmland for the next 20 or so miles til the next exit.
>
Stéphane Dumas
Daniel Davis
"Bruce Kanin" <bk9...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On the Florida Turnpike there are usually at least one service plaza in the
median on long stretches.. for example there's at least one in the stretch
from exit 193 to exit 242 just south of Orlando metro. Milemarker 229 Canoe
Creek service plaza
Exit 193 is the ONLY exit between 152 and 242. There's a service plaza near
mile marker 184.
Milemarker 184 has the Fort Drum service plaza.
The largest straight gap between exits and service plaza is 36 miles between
193 and 229 in Osceola county.
Here's a pretty decent map of Florida's turnpike system including the
tangled rat's nest of toll roads around Orlando.
http://www11.myflorida.com/turnpikepio/pdfs/turnpike_mainline.pdf
Here's an exit list for the Turnpike
http://www11.myflorida.com/turnpikepio/TripPlanner/interchanges_mileage.html
Daniel
Aerospace Engineering major
Univesity of Central Florida - Orlando
John F. Carr
Bruce Kanin <bk9...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>One "Mexico's highways" posting answer makes me want to ask: which
>highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
>it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
>either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
>food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
>forced to go to the next exit.
>
>There are surely a lot of these, but what are the WORST?
>
>Guesses:
>Florida Turnpike was mentioned, presumably north of Fort Pierce
>I-70 in Colorado
>I-15 in California (near Nevada)
Surprisingly, one of the worst is in the northeast, the 29 mile gap
between exits 2 and 3 on the Massachusetts Turnpike.
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Eric Opperman
> One "Mexico's highways" posting answer makes me want to ask: which
> highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
> it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
> either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
> food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
> forced to go to the next exit.
>
> There are surely a lot of these, but what are the WORST?
>
> Guesses:
> Florida Turnpike was mentioned, presumably north of Fort Pierce
> I-70 in Colorado
> I-15 in California (near Nevada)
Worst one I can recall having been on was I-10 in Louisiana. Once you
leave Baton Rouge going westbound, it's 15-20 miles to another exit, and
then not long after that, there's the Atchafalaya Causeway.
Presnwap
have many services at all. I-55 in MS. I-10 in the Florida Panhandle.
Exits but it's a desolate place.
-stephen
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Michael G. Koerner
>
> One "Mexico's highways" posting answer makes me want to ask: which
> highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
> it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
> either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
> food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
> forced to go to the next exit.
>
> There are surely a lot of these, but what are the WORST?
>
> Guesses:
> Florida Turnpike was mentioned, presumably north of Fort Pierce
> I-70 in Colorado
I-70 in Colorado has interchanges that are spaced at approximately
'normal' intervals. In Utah, although there are interchanges along it,
I-70 has a far longer 'no services' section (Green River-Salina, UT).
> I-15 in California (near Nevada)
The longest distance between interchanges on a 'freeway' (in the USA) is
on I-80 across the Great Salt Lake Desert in western Utah.
For a 'tollway' (in the USA) it is indeed on Florida's Turnpike (Saint
Cloud-Yeehaw Junction), although there are services available on this section.
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For my home state (Wisconsin), longest is on I-90 between WI 16 (exit
28) at Sparta and WI 131 (exit 41) at Tomah.
For Illinois, the longest on a 'freeway' is on I-74 between US 150 (exit
54) and exit 71 and the longest for a 'tollway' is on I-88 (East-West
Tollway) between IL 26 (Dixon) and IL 251 (Rochelle). (Note, I-24 has a
lengthy 'no services' section in IL.)
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>
> "Sam Smith" <sas...@uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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> > As I recall, the worst place in the USA is somewhere on Florida's
> Turnpike,
> > where it's something like 50 miles between exits.
> >
> > Within the US interstate/non-tolled freeway system, it's on I-80 in
> Utah's
> > Bonneville Salt Flats--something like 43 miles between Knolls and the
> > Bonneville Speedway. (Of course, it's not very likely that anyone's
> going
> > to be missing the exit for Knolls...there's nothing there that anyone
> would
> > want to get off for....)
> >
> > SS
> The 2nd worst place used to be on the ohio turnpike between 187 and 209.
I'm thinking that the second longest section between interchanges on a
tollway is the section of Florida's Turnpike south of Yeehaw Junction.
> I may be wrong. But I do know there are places on the turnpike and
> indiana toll road where if you miss an exit there isn't anything but
> farmland for the next 20 or so miles til the next exit.
Rothman
> Surprisingly, one of the worst is in the northeast, the 29 mile gap
> between exits 2 and 3 on the Massachusetts Turnpike.
My family found that one out the hard way when we first moved to MA in 1980.
All I remember was that we were going back and forth on US 20 trying to
figure out how to get on that road across the way.
> --
> John Carr (j...@mit.edu)
R. Kelly
> One "Mexico's highways" posting answer makes me want to ask: which
> highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
> it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
> either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
> food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
> forced to go to the next exit.
Even worse, is there a freeway that turns into a surface street into a
really bad area? That last exit would be one I wouldn't want to miss.
The worst place I can think to miss an exit would be an uncompleted freeway,
where missing the last exit would result in giving the term "suicide ramp"
its name.
To change the subject, I remember seeing a really high ramp on I-40 in
western Memphis just east of the bridge that suddenly ended back around
1982-83. Is it still there?
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R. Kelly
> Louisiana I-10 over the Atchafalaya Basin. There are exits but they
> don't have many services at all. I-55 in MS. I-10 in the Florida
> Panhandle. Exits but it's a desolate place.
I-10 over the swamp and the Alligator Alley segment of I-75 were the first
two to pop into my head.
Nick C
Yeah there is a 36-mile gap between the Bedford and Somerset
interchanges on the PA Turnpike.
Jason P
> >Guesses:
> >Florida Turnpike was mentioned, presumably north of Fort Pierce
> >I-70 in Colorado
> >I-15 in California (near Nevada)
>
> An 18 mile gap between exits would mean a 36 mile round trip back to the exit
> you need. Just looking at my Rand McNally shows there to be an 18 mile gap in
> Texas on I-35 near Laredo.
These really don't make it "bad" to miss an exit unless its an
extremely busy Interstate. You always have the option of using those
median crossers that the cops sit on to pick out speeders. Although
you're not supposed to, its the better alternative to driving 36
miles.
If I-35 is anything like I-20 or I-10 in western Texas, no one uses
those exits in the middle of nowhere anyway.
Jason
Jason P
> One "Mexico's highways" posting answer makes me want to ask: which
> highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
> it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
> either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
> food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
> forced to go to the next exit.
>
> There are surely a lot of these, but what are the WORST?
>
> Guesses:
> Florida Turnpike was mentioned, presumably north of Fort Pierce
> I-70 in Colorado
> I-15 in California (near Nevada)
I remember missing an exit of US 101 in California once, near
downtown. It was literally the biggest nightmare in my life. I
followed the frontage roading looking for an opportune place to turn
around. When none came for miles, I got off on a surface street.
Trafffic was pretty heavy in spite of the time of day (late night),
and in California, you NEVER know how to get on the freeway - some
have right turn exits, some have left turn exits, and its literally a
guessing game in picking which lane to try. You can forget about last
minute lane switches.
I think I ended up taking surface streets to where I wanted to go.
Jason
Keith
something like NO SERVICES NEXT 100 MILES. I made sure I had enough
gas to get through that! As for my state, Michigan, the practice there
is to try to place exits at least 10 miles apart. There are many
freeways in the state that will put an exit to a road in the middle of
nowhere, and eventually many of those spots get at least a gas station
built nearby so it isnt that bad. If you're in Michigan and you're on
a rural freeways and the exit sign just says _______ Road, more than
likely it really doesn't go anywhere.
Rte66man
> highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
> it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
> either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
> food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
> forced to go to the next exit.
>
> There are surely a lot of these, but what are the WORST?
In Oklahoma, it used to be the Turner Turnpike (I44) from OKC to Chandler.
Until recently, there were no exits for 31 miles. Now, it the 21 miles from
the I35 junction to the OK66 exit at Wellston. There are "picnic" areas, but
no services in that stretch. There are gaps in the Jersey barrier every five
miles, but the OHP are fairly vigilant to nail you making the illegal
u-turn. The Will Rogers Turnpike (I44) from Claremore to Big Cabin was a 28
mile gap w/o an exit or services until the Afton exits were added in the
80's.
Rte66man
Bob S
In Chicago, we were headed south on I-90/94 and missed the Chicago
Skyway exit. You have to be in the outer-most lanes of the local
lanes. We got off at the next exit and tried to get back. We had to
travel on surface streets through some scary neighborhoods on
Chicago's south side. There is no northbound ramp to the Skyway so we
had to travel far enough north so we could turn around and head south
to try again. We didn't miss it the second time.
Bob S
Brad B
In Canada there's the BC-5 Coquihalla Highway which has an exit gap of 86
kilometres (53 miles)
from Exit 177 to Exit 256. The nearby BC-97C Okanagan Connector would be a
close second with
an 84 kilometre exit gap but they are the only two exits on the freeway so
that pretty much disqualifies
it.
Brad B
Alan Hamilton
Q: What is the longest distance between interchanges
A: In the U.S., there are 51 miles northbound and 49 miles southbound
between Exit 193 (US 441/FL 60) and Exits 242/244 (US 192/441), and 41
miles between Exit 152 (FL 70) and Exit 193, on Florida's Turnpike.
There are 37 miles between Exit 4 (Bonneville Speedway) and Exit 41
(Knolls) on I-80 in western Utah, the longest stretch on both a free
highway and a publicly-numbered highway (Florida's Turnpike is
officially FL 91 but there are no references to that in the field).
There are also no services between these two exits, just a pair of
rest areas (the two Florida's Turnpike stretches listed above both
have a median service area along them).
http://www.roadfan.com/mtrfaq.html#a610
Q: Where is the longest stretch between services on an Interstate?
A: Eastern Utah, on I-70 between Green River and Salina (104 miles) --
see http://members.aol.com/utahhwys/rte070.htm .
=======================
It can be hard to judge without highly detailed maps or field
investigation. A lot of maps omit minor "ranch" exits.
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Presnwap
> officially FL 91 but there are no references to that in the field).
> There are also no services between these two exits, just a pair of
> rest areas (the two Florida's Turnpike stretches listed above both
> have a median service area along them).
Very impressive including the 's in Florida's Turnpike! I know it sounds
funny saying "the Florida's Turnpike" but that's what the ole sign says the
name is!
Kevin Lagasse
> between exits 2 and 3 on the Massachusetts Turnpike.
Maybe so. However, you've got the Blandford rest stop on both sides of
I-90 along the way. I agree that there should be an Exit 2A somewhere
along that stretch (US 20 or MA 8 perhaps?).
donutbandit
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> I-70 in Colorado has interchanges that are spaced at approximately
> 'normal' intervals. In Utah, although there are interchanges along it,
> I-70 has a far longer 'no services' section (Green River-Salina, UT).
A few years ago, I did a bonehead thing in Salina - I was heading west, but
accidentally took the eastbound ramp.
I drove 8 miles before getting a farm road exit so I could double back. The
next one would have been dozens of miles. I know - I had just come that
way.
No chance of cutting over the median either - it had a gorge down the
center of it.
Eric Opperman
> TV's Bruce Kanin wrote:
>
>>One "Mexico's highways" posting answer makes me want to ask: which
>>highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
>>it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
>>either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
>>food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
>>forced to go to the next exit.
>
>
> Even worse, is there a freeway that turns into a surface street into a
> really bad area? That last exit would be one I wouldn't want to miss.
I-55 in Memphis exits itself or you go onto Crump Boulevard...while
there's worse places than that exact part of Crump, some of them are
very close to it.
> To change the subject, I remember seeing a really high ramp on I-40 in
> western Memphis just east of the bridge that suddenly ended back around
> 1982-83. Is it still there?
If you're talking about the rams to and from the river bridge, yes
they're there. If not, then I assume you're talking about the 40/240
interchange, and all the ramps involved in that interchange are being
torn out and replaced to make 40 a thru route in terms of the design,
rather than left lane stays 40 right lane goes 240 south.
Justin Priola
> highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
> it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
> either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
> food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
> forced to go to the next exit.
>
A minor "worst": On Earhart Expressway (LA 3139), the only exit
accessible from WB is the Clearview Parkway (LA 3152) exit, which is
the only full interchange on the freeway. All the other exits are EB
off/WB on (most important communter traffic movements). So if you
miss the Clearview exit, you have to drive 5 miles, past all of the
other inaccesible (from WB) exits, to the end of the freeway just
inside the N.O. city limits to make a U-turn.
Combine this with the fact that this freeway doesn't connect to I-10,
and one is stupefied when the transportation planners question why
Earhart is underutilized.....
Justin Priola
Mike Tantillo
> One "Mexico's highways" posting answer makes me want to ask: which
> highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
> it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
> either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
> food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
> forced to go to the next exit.
>
> There are surely a lot of these, but what are the WORST?
>
> Florida Turnpike was mentioned, presumably north of Fort Pierce
> I-70 in Colorado
> I-15 in California (near Nevada)
>
> (Hey, here's a mini-WORST, a personal one: when I leave my house in
> North Merrick, NY and head west on the Southern State Parkway and then
> exit for the Meadowbrook State Parkway north, I'll realize something
> back at home that I needed (it's a condition called CRS - "Can't
> Remember Sh*t). Once you get on the Meadowbrook north at that point,
> it's a real pain, because the next exit isn't until Hempstead
> Turnpike.)
Here's a couple mini-worst's.....
1) turning onto I-895 in Maryland when there is a delay. No exits
till after the tolls, which might be a long way, and more traffic
added at every on-ramp.
2) missing the exit for the SB jersey turnpike on the EB Express lanes
of I-80 when there is a long delay at the GWB. Tkae the exit, go onto
US 46 east, and the delay is usually cut in half. Sit for the upper
level, and there are no exits till the toll plaza (the signs say no
exits in NJ, but thats a downright lie, Exit 73 is accessible from
both express and local lanes)
3) missing the SB exit for Camino de La Plaza on I-805 south in San
Ysidro, CA....since you merge onto I-5 south on the right, there's no
chance of cutting across all lanes for the U-turn to I-5 north.....so
its "Bienvenidos a Mexico, Amigo!"
4) the last exit before the westbound Verrazano or either direction on
the Chesapeake Bay bridge tunnel (that will cost you $8 or $10
respectively for an accidental trip across the bridge)
Allston Parking Refugee
> One "Mexico's highways" posting answer makes me want to ask: which
> highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
> it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
> either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
> food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
> forced to go to the next exit.
There are other concerns besides distance, most notably getting stuck
in typical traffic backups and missing the last exit before a large
toll. I'd nominate several of the NYC-area bridge approaches for both
of these categories.
-Apr
Steve
Well, as for Holland and Lincoln Tunnels, the last exit is a traffic
light and very well signed, respectively, so hard to miss those. The
GWB has a pair of last exits - there's one just before the toll that's
not signed in advance, so that it's really just for last-ditch escape.
Heading out toward NJ, the two tunnels are exits themselves, while the
GWB has very good signage telling you the Henry Hudson is it for NY.
The Tappan Zee is a bit easier to miss heading SB/EB into the toll. I
don't remember what it's like WB/NB, but I think there's no "last exit
before bridge" reminder in this case, so if you accidentally crossed the
river you'd have to pay to return. The only other bridge I can remember
offhand, the Throgs Neck, is well-signed in both directions.
--
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Froggie
> the Chesapeake Bay bridge tunnel (that will cost you $8 or $10
> respectively for an accidental trip across the bridge)
Not necessarily with the CBBT...because you can turn around at either
Fisherman's Island or at the Visitor's Center on the south island at Thimble
Shoals...
Froggie | Who's occasionally thought about fishing or ship-watching at the
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Lepidopteran
Parkway, you can't turn around for 12 miles, almost at Mystic Island.
Sure, there are a few exits before there, but for some inexplicable
reason they are all for southbound traffic only!
Getting on the HOV lanes on I-95 in Springfield, VA, when they are set
for northbound, will take you all the way to the Pentagon before you
encounter a turn-off.
>On Florida's Turnpike there is usually at least one service plaza in the
>median on long stretches.
Not only that, but isn't there a sign in the parking lot that says
something to the effect of "Authorized U-Turn"? I think you have to
get your ticket stamped. I wonder how EZ-pass would handle it (or
SunPass as I think it's called in FL)
There are also U-turn provisions in the median service plazas of the
JFK Expressway in MD and the GSP, but they use barriers so tickets are
not an issue.
Bob S
>
> 3) missing the SB exit for Camino de La Plaza on I-805 south in San
> Ysidro, CA....since you merge onto I-5 south on the right, there's no
> chance of cutting across all lanes for the U-turn to I-5 north.....so
> its "Bienvenidos a Mexico, Amigo!"
... and you better not be carrying a handgun. In El Paso there were
"No Handgun" signs on I-10 for an exit that went to the Mexican
border. I don't recall which one though. It might have been the US
54 interchange.
Bob S
Rothman
"Kevin Lagasse" <KML...@AOL.COM> wrote in message
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I'd be for an interchange with MA 8. People could then travel to exotic MA
locations like...Becket.
Michael G. Koerner
I recall a discussion in here a few years ago about a tollway service
plaza restaurant that was so good (I believe that it was in Kansas) that
locals would often go to it, using an authorized U-turn to head back home.
Nathan Perry
"Rothman" <dnr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'd be for an interchange with MA 8. People could then travel to exotic MA
> locations like...Becket.
It's been discussed, but area residents aren't thrilled with the idea.
Rothman
"Nathan Perry" <npe...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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That's very interesting. Is it because they want to keep the New Yorkers in
the Lee-Lenox-Stockbridge triangle?
I just like the idea of connecting up to MA 8 since it does have
significance as a N-S route.
Mike Tantillo
> > 4) the last exit before the westbound Verrazano or either direction on
> > the Chesapeake Bay bridge tunnel (that will cost you $8 or $10
> > respectively for an accidental trip across the bridge)
>
> Not necessarily with the CBBT...because you can turn around at either
> Fisherman's Island or at the Visitor's Center on the south island at Thimble
> Shoals...
From a distance standpoint, you are certainly correct, however the
thread didn't specify the reason why the exit was bad to miss.....from
a financial standpoint of paying tolls, its a $10 mistake whether you
turn around at Thimble Shoals or go all the way across to the scenic
overlook on the eastern shore........going past the scenic overlook
will cost you another $4.
>
> Froggie | Who's occasionally thought about fishing or ship-watching at the
> Visitor's Center from time to time... | http://www.ajfroggie.com/roads/
i've thought of doing that too....i certainly wouldn't make a habit of
doing itfrequently though!
Mike Tantillo
this is because of some US citizens who accidentally crossed the
border and wound up in mexican jail for some 30 years as a result of
the handgun they had. In California, there are plenty of "guns
illegal in Mexico" signs. Personally, if I had a handgun, and I
missed the exit and was about to be forced to drive into Mexico, i'd
either stop my vehicle on the US side of the border and await police
assistance, or i'd jetison the handgun out the window. Anything has
to be better then 30 years in a mexican jail. Note that at San
Ysidro, the US/Mexican border is very very very close to the mexican
"customs inspection" station (its in quotes since 9/10 times, you just
get waved through), so you can practically drive right up to it and
still be on US territory...and so long as the handgun doesn't enter
mexican territory, they can't do a darn thing about it.
My point with that example was that any un-intentional trip across the
border is a bad thing, but one into Mexico would probably be worse
then canada due to the length of the wait to re-enter the USA, the
crappy signage means making a U-turn would be difficult on complex
road networks, the overall sketchiness of the border towns (especially
Tijuana), and in the case of San Ysidro, the ease with which one could
miss the exit and end up in Mexico by mistake is scary in and of
itself (there is no place to make a U-turn at the flagpole...the last
turnournd is well inside the USA).
> Bob S
Steve
Extend the CT 8 freeway to I-90?
Joseph T. Adams
> Even worse, is there a freeway that turns into a surface street into a
> really bad area? That last exit would be one I wouldn't want to miss.
I-490 eastbound in Cleveland, Ohio.
As you take I-90 east toward Cleveland, the road splits, with most
lanes becoming I-490 (a short, 3 mile stub) and only the rightmost
lanes continuing as I-90 toward downtown.
It is easy to miss this split, especially at night, and if you do,
then there is exactly *one* safe course of action, which is to take
I-77 north. This will eventually meet up with I-90 just short of
downtown.
Even this is not totally safe because the merge of 77 into 90 is
short, has poor visibility, and is the site of numerous fatal
accidents.
But any other course of action, including staying on 490 until it
dead-ends at E.55, puts you in the "Hood."
Joe
John F. Carr
Steve <smal...@hackmit.edu> wrote:
>Rothman wrote:
>
>> I just like the idea of connecting up to MA 8 since it does have
>> significance as a N-S route.
>>
>Extend the CT 8 freeway to I-90?
Not necessary. Extend the freeway past downtown Winsted to end
at the edge of town around CT 20 and add a few passing lanes
between CT 20 and US 20. Traffic volume in Massachusetts is
around 2000-3000 per day.
Between CT 20 and Sandisfield, Route 8 was built to modern
standards in the 1960s. (Opened in 1967, I think.) The old
road was submerged by a flood control project.
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John Carr (j...@mit.edu)
pigsty1953
> Bruce Kanin wrote:
> >
> > One "Mexico's highways" posting answer makes me want to ask: which
> > highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
> > it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
> > either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
> > food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
> > forced to go to the next exit.
> >
> >
> > Guesses:
> > Florida Turnpike was mentioned, presumably north of Fort Pierce
> > I-70 in Colorado
>
> 'normal' intervals. In Utah, although there are interchanges along it,
> I-70 has a far longer 'no services' section (Green River-Salina, UT).
>
>
> on I-80 across the Great Salt Lake Desert in western Utah.
>
> For a 'tollway' (in the USA) it is indeed on Florida's Turnpike (Saint
> Cloud-Yeehaw Junction), although there are services available on this section.
>
> ------------------
>
> For my home state (Wisconsin), longest is on I-90 between WI 16 (exit
> 28) at Sparta and WI 131 (exit 41) at Tomah.
>
> For Illinois, the longest on a 'freeway' is on I-74 between US 150 (exit
> 54) and exit 71 and the longest for a 'tollway' is on I-88 (East-West
> Tollway) between IL 26 (Dixon) and IL 251 (Rochelle). (Note, I-24 has a
> lengthy 'no services' section in IL.)
How well I know I-24, I got a flat tire on that long, service-
less stretch several years ago. It was a real pain, and my cell phone
had no service in that area.
Levi Ramsey
The original plan was to make it a freeway up to the Pike, with on-again
off-again plans to have it up to Vermont...
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"Levi Ramsey" <le...@cygnetnet.net> wrote in message
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I'd just be happy with an interchange.
Mike Tantillo
THere are plenty of last exit before bridge signs on the NB/WB
approaches to the Tappan Zee. THe verrazano also has good signage on
the Staten Island Expressway, Gowanus, and the Belt ramps. The
Midtown Tunnel is well signed from the LIE, but from Manhattan, you
might or might not see any signs telling you you are about to head
into a toll trap until its too late.
mara...@prodigy.net
> highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
> it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
> either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
> food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
> forced to go to the next exit.
>
>
> Guesses:
> Florida Turnpike was mentioned, presumably north of Fort Pierce
> I-70 in Colorado
>
> North Merrick, NY and head west on the Southern State Parkway and then
> exit for the Meadowbrook State Parkway north, I'll realize something
> back at home that I needed (it's a condition called CRS - "Can't
> Remember Sh*t). Once you get on the Meadowbrook north at that point,
> it's a real pain, because the next exit isn't until Hempstead
> Turnpike.)
>
> "Truth, Justice and the Milky Way"
There is a a 35 km section on I-5 between Utica Ave and Twisslemann Rd
in Southern Kings county and northern Kern county, California with no
exits. Neither exit has services. The nearest services are at the
Kettleman City and Lost Hills exits 5 km north and approximately 20 km
south, respectively.
On the other hand, there are plenty of places along US-50 in Nevada
where you may turn off the highway and get to a point of no return
before you realize that you have gone the wrong way.
Chris Bessert
> bry...@aol.comstopthat (Bryn Buck) wrote:
> > >Guesses:
> > >Florida Turnpike was mentioned, presumably north of Fort Pierce
> > >I-70 in Colorado
> > >I-15 in California (near Nevada)
> >
the exit
> > you need. Just looking at my Rand McNally shows there to be an 18 mile
gap in
> > Texas on I-35 near Laredo.
>
> These really don't make it "bad" to miss an exit unless its an
> extremely busy Interstate. You always have the option of using those
> median crossers that the cops sit on to pick out speeders. Although
> you're not supposed to, its the better alternative to driving 36
> miles.
I have to most wholeheartedly disagree with you on this! Those "NO
U-TURNS" or "AUTHORIZED VEHICLES ONLY" median crossovers are NOT to
be used because you miss an exit and cannot wait a few minutes to
turn around at the next one. Unless it is a true EMERGENCY (and, no,
"needing to go potty" or "really wanting a Diet Coke" are NOT
emergencies), do like everyone else has to and get off at the next
exit.
I say this because I have not only witnessed countless "near misses"
with idiots who use the median crossovers (generally within sight of
the next interchange or the "1 mile" advance sign), I was also unfor-
tunate enough to actually witness a major accident because of this.
Trust me, it wasn't pretty. Our freeways weren't designed for people
to make left-turns out onto the left ("fast") lane of traffic from
a dead stop. That's why we have on- and off-ramps with accel and
decel lanes, long sightlines, etc. Unless you have some very visible
flashing lights on top of your vehicle, like a police cruiser, tow
truck or construction vehicle does, just devote that extra few
minutes of your life to continuing to the next exit and flipping around
there. By the way, that accident I witnessed did NOT turn out well for
those involved and it was worse for the innocent motorist than for
the offender.
In the end, I never reccommend taking your life and the lives of
countless others on the freeway into your own hands in the hopes that
you'll save a minute or two by illegally using the median crossover.
You don't know how often I see people sitting in the median for three,
four, five or more minutes until they get the proper space to pull
out. Five minutes! You'd have been to the next exit, turned around
and back to the crossover in less than five minutes in most cases! It
makes no sense to waste more time just so you can try to kill me by
pulling out in front of me at 10 mph while I'm doing nearly 80 in
the left lane...
At least that's my take...
Later,
Chris
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Mike Tantillo
I was quite surprised at how little development and how sparce the
services were on I-5 between the 580 and the grapevine....especially
considering that this road carries a lotta traffic.
Steven M. O'Neill
>One "Mexico's highways" posting answer makes me want to ask: which
>highways have the "worst place to miss an exit", i.e., if you miss it,
>it's a heckuva long way before you can turn around and get back to it,
>either because it was "your" exit or it was the last place for gas,
>food, bio-break, etc? You can't cheat by making a U-turn - you are
>forced to go to the next exit.
>
>There are surely a lot of these, but what are the WORST?
How about the one that says "last exit before toll" at the
Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel?
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Froggie
>
> How about the one that says "last exit before toll" at the
> Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel?
Because you have two places to make a U-turn between there and the toll
booth...:o)
Froggie | Who lives 2 miles from the toll booth in question... |
http://www.ajfroggie.com/roads/
Kevin Salig
with a rifle in the trunk you didn't know about or forgot. But the freeway
goes to the border crossing and you just missed the "last exit before
border."
"Froggie" <fro...@mississippi.net> wrote in message
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Mike Tantillo
> How about driving on the freeway in a border city (San Diego, Brownsville)
> with a rifle in the trunk you didn't know about or forgot. But the freeway
> goes to the border crossing and you just missed the "last exit before
> border."
I already brought up San Ysidro where the "camino de la plaza" exit is
easily missed by a distracted driver. Basically, so long as you stop
your car on US soil and surrender your arms to US authorities, you are
free to drive into mexico and return. But enter mexican territory
with that gun, and your screwed.
Mike Tantillo
Or worse: the confederation bridge
or even worse, the confederation bridge on the NB side if you don't
have enough money for the toll...then you're in effect stuck forever
on PEI!