Pay a toll in FL with a $20 bill, get detained
John Lansford
"Meet Joel Chandler, who just paid his $1.00 toll on the Polk Parkway
with a $100 bill, he is not allowed to leave unless he provides
personal info to the toll taker. The toll taker tells Chandler this is
what happens when they get large bills. She says this is what they
have to do.
Chandler says to the toll taker, "So I'm being detained?" She says yes
sir.
It is a policy the Florida Turnpike authority instituted for people
who paid with $20, $50 or $100 bills. After it happened once, Chandler
kept testing the system and taped his encounters as he went through
the toll booths.
One time a toll taker told him, she wouldn't give him his change
unless he gave her the information. Chandler replied, "So I'm being
detained." He asked why he was being detained but never got an answer.
Chandler says this is a serious criminal offense, to detain someone
without proper legal authority. He says that is exactly what the
department is doing.
When Chandler called and e-mailed the Florida Department of
Transportation to complain about the policy he was told there is no
policy to detain people who give large bills. He says that made him
more concerned, because that meant there were individual rouge toll
takers detaining people."
John Lansford, PE
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george conklin
"John Lansford" <jlns...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Written on the bill is the note that this is legal tender for a debts,
public or private.
necromancer
<jlns...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=178322&provider=top
>
>"Meet Joel Chandler, who just paid his $1.00 toll on the Polk Parkway
>with a $100 bill, he is not allowed to leave unless he provides
>personal info to the toll taker. The toll taker tells Chandler this is
>what happens when they get large bills. She says this is what they
>have to do.
What kind of arrogant jerk gets on the turnpike with only large bills
to beginwith? And is he *that* cheap that he can't drop US$25.00 for a
SunPass and not have to bother with the toll booths at all?
>Chandler says to the toll taker, "So I'm being detained?" She says yes
>sir.
>
>It is a policy the Florida Turnpike authority instituted for people
>who paid with $20, $50 or $100 bills. After it happened once, Chandler
>kept testing the system and taped his encounters as he went through
>the toll booths.
>
>One time a toll taker told him, she wouldn't give him his change
>unless he gave her the information. Chandler replied, "So I'm being
>detained." He asked why he was being detained but never got an answer.
>
>Chandler says this is a serious criminal offense, to detain someone
>without proper legal authority. He says that is exactly what the
>department is doing.
>
>When Chandler called and e-mailed the Florida Department of
>Transportation to complain about the policy he was told there is no
>policy to detain people who give large bills. He says that made him
>more concerned, because that meant there were individual rouge toll
>takers detaining people."
If they are so worried about counterfeit bills - a legitimate concern
to the toll taker as it wouldn't surprise me if the losses from
counterfeit money comes out of their paycheck - then the Turnpike
Enterprise needs to look into equipping their booths with counterfeit
detection pens (you can get them at Office Depot)...
--
"And then we wonder why the UFO's won't
stop by and say hello..."
--George Carlin
dougwi...@yahoo.com
> "John Lansford" <jlnsf...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Exactly!
Thus is not the toll collector technically guilty of kidnapping?
Douglas Willinger
A Trip Within The Beltway
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Written on the bill is the note that this is legal tender for a debts,
> public or private.
Many (most?) businesses selling inexpensive goods to customers on the
fly will not accept large bills, for a number of reasons.
Giving someone a $100 (or even a $50) bill for a $1.00 transaction is
rude and inconsiderate.
Most people when they leave the house have change and small bills
appropriate for the transactions they will encounter.
James Robinson
And what happens if you find yourself with only 20s in your wallet? Are you
supposed to go and buy something worth more than $10 to get change?
US 71
"James Robinson" <was...@212.com> wrote .
>
> And what happens if you find yourself with only 20s in your wallet? Are you
> supposed to go and buy something worth more than $10 to get change?
If the toll is $1, why do you need to buy $10 to get change? A pack of gum is
about 89cents? You'll have plenty of ones after that ;)
James Robinson
You snipped the part where the previous poster said that purchasing
something worth a dollar with a 50 or 100 is inconsiderate. Where do you
draw the line?
I have purchased $5 worth of fast food with a 50 when it was all I had.
US 71
"James Robinson" <was...@212.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9E9FC70EDC...@94.75.214.39...
You're probably the only one. When I worked for EZ Mart, I got 20's for a 60
cent can of soda. As a rule we didn't accept 50's or 100's simply because we
didn't keep that kind of change in the cash register.
Now, I do have friends who work the Ren-Faire circuit and occasionally get
100's for a $5 item. Half the time they will simply say "sorry I don't have
enough change".
It's inconsiderate, yes. but how do you stop it?
John Lansford
The article points out that the FL toll operators were detaining
motorists trying to pay the toll with a $20 bill as well. That sounds
excessive. I can understand the $50 and $100 bill issue (cash
registers don't have places for either denomination), but ISTM that
"detaining" someone for using a large bill is still rather stupid.
Take their license plate #, give them change, and let them leave.
Andrew M. Saucci, Jr.
cashless, getting small bills for the remaining ones becomes more and more
difficult. I don't know of any ATM's that dispense $1 and $5 bills, and most
don't dispense $10 bills either. So one goes to an ATM and gets a bunch of
$20 or $50 bills and has to spend them somewhere. The only way I know to get
$1 and $5 bills without a fight (apart from perhaps visiting a bank during
human teller hours) is to go to a self-checkout in a store, use a debit
card, and ask for $9 cash back. Not all self-checkouts allow this, either--
I have seen many that, again, allow only $10 and $20 increments as cash
back.
I don't like paying for small transactions with large bills, but I
also have to go to considerable effort to prepare myself for the small
transactions. I also wind up eating in McDonald's and Burger King a lot
while I'm travelling because almost all of them will let me swipe a credit
or debit card for a small purchase without a fight or a dirty look, and then
I don't have to worry about how to pay for small purchases.
Finally, this is another reason why I avoid tolls when driving in
unfamiliar areas-- one just never knows what sort of oddball "policy" might
be encountered. I would rather sneak across a river on a rickety two-lane
bridge under cover of darkness than take my chances with a surly or
difficult toll-booth attendant.
"John Lansford" <jlns...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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richard
So avoid the turnpike.
In all the times I've been in Florida, I rarely use it.
I've been on it as a trucker, paid with $20 bills and never got questioned.
It sounds to me like these toll booth operators are running a scam in order
to get enough information to steal an identity. The DOT and the state AG
would be wise to look into this.
rsh...@gmail.com
grunge.local> wrote:
> Part of the problem here is that as more and more transactions go
> cashless, getting small bills for the remaining ones becomes more and more
> difficult. I don't know of any ATM's that dispense $1 and $5 bills, and most
> don't dispense $10 bills either. So one goes to an ATM and gets a bunch of
> $20 or $50 bills and has to spend them somewhere. The only way I know to get
> $1 and $5 bills without a fight (apart from perhaps visiting a bank during
> human teller hours) is to go to a self-checkout in a store, use a debit
> card, and ask for $9 cash back. Not all self-checkouts allow this, either--
> I have seen many that, again, allow only $10 and $20 increments as cash
> back.
>
> I don't like paying for small transactions with large bills, but I
> also have to go to considerable effort to prepare myself for the small
> transactions. I also wind up eating in McDonald's and Burger King a lot
> while I'm travelling because almost all of them will let me swipe a credit
> or debit card for a small purchase without a fight or a dirty look, and then
> I don't have to worry about how to pay for small purchases.
>
> Finally, this is another reason why I avoid tolls when driving in
> unfamiliar areas-- one just never knows what sort of oddball "policy" might
> be encountered. I would rather sneak across a river on a rickety two-lane
> bridge under cover of darkness than take my chances with a surly or
> difficult toll-booth attendant.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
this is absurd
there are bank drive thru tellers all over the US 7 AM to 6 PM and Sat
until 1PM
and there are atm in the drive thru lanes, one could just pull back in
you have to plan ahead
george conklin
<hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message
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=============\
Trash talk. Those money machines distribute $20 bills. Nothing else. It is
all I ever get in change from Wal-Mart too, when I get change back from the
debit card. Unless you have gone into see a teller, and begged, all you may
have in your wallet is $20 bills.
Arif Khokar
Toll booths should be able to process credit card transactions. I do
have cash in my wallet, but it's only in larger denominations.
Robert Higgins
conklin" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>Trash talk. Those money machines distribute $20 bills. Nothing else. It is
>all I ever get in change from Wal-Mart too, when I get change back from the
>debit card. Unless you have gone into see a teller, and begged, all you may
>have in your wallet is $20 bills.
My bank's ATMs give fives and twenties.
Sounds like you need to find a better bank.
Nate Nagel
Why? A $20 bill is perfectly appropriate for most transactions larger
than a fast food breakfast.
nate
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george conklin
"Robert Higgins" <rob...@nospam.bogus> wrote in message
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Well, I guess Wells-Fargo is going to be about all there is. It is $20 or
forget it.
george conklin
"Nate Nagel" <njn...@roosters.net> wrote in message
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> On 03/06/2011 12:39 AM, Robert Higgins wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 22:18:04 -0500, in misc.transport.road "george
>> conklin"<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Trash talk. Those money machines distribute $20 bills. Nothing else.
>>> It is
>>> all I ever get in change from Wal-Mart too, when I get change back from
>>> the
>>> debit card. Unless you have gone into see a teller, and begged, all you
>>> may
>>> have in your wallet is $20 bills.
>>
>> My bank's ATMs give fives and twenties.
>>
>> Sounds like you need to find a better bank.
>
> Why? A $20 bill is perfectly appropriate for most transactions larger
> than a fast food breakfast.
>
> nate
Maybe for only one person. Got your wife along? Children? $20 might
not make it.
Nate Nagel
Well, that was my point. Smaller denominations are essentially change
these days, so expecting people to actually have a decent stash of small
bills with them is not that reasonable. I don't know about you, but
much like change, if I get bills smaller than a $20 I try to get rid of
them next time I pay cash for something, so as not to end up with
pockets stuffed with $1 and $5 bills. I may or may not have enough
money on me to pay a toll with exact change at any given moment. (and I
don't particularly worry about it, since I use EZPass, but that's just
because where I live there's one toll road in particular that is by far
the best way to get from here to there, not everyone might have had such
a compelling reason to drink the Kool-Aid yet.)
Lil Abner
4% to the price of everything. A retailer agrees to take the cards but
can't charge the 4% to those using cards. SO we all are paying the
Credit Card Companies and Banking 4% everytime we buy something.
Use to be if you had 20.00 in smaller bills you would have pocket money
for a week.
With the nickel dollar you would need a backpack if you went on a trip.
I usually carry 20s and 50s etc otherwise I wouldn't be able to sit down
with the billfold, in my pocket.
Robert Higgins
<njn...@roosters.net> wrote:
>Well, that was my point. Smaller denominations are essentially change
>these days, so expecting people to actually have a decent stash of small
>bills with them is not that reasonable.
Then you'd find the toll roads around here particularly unreasonable.
Many of the cash booths are unstaffed and require exact change. And
some toll roads don't take cash at all.
Nate Nagel
Given what you say, I probably would, at that, unless they accept credit
cards.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> > Most people when they leave the house have change and small bills
> > appropriate for the transactions they will encounter.
>
> And what happens if you find yourself with only 20s in your wallet? Are you
> supposed to go and buy something worth more than $10 to get change?
Nowadays, pretty much yes. If you're going out in the world, you
should carry a variety of bills and change.
Newstands and other small vendors selling low priced items do not like
big bills, and often simply refuse to accept them. This is nothing
new. Not everyone takes credit cards, either.
One exception is chain stores where they're more willing to take a $20
bill for a small item. Of course, there aren't many low priced items
available; I think the cheapest in my convenience store is a 35c
single candy (unless it's up to 40c now).
However I don't know if even chain stores will take something larger
than a $20 bill. If they do, you'll probably be delayed until a
manager is summoned to approve the transaction.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> The article points out that the FL toll operators were detaining
> motorists trying to pay the toll with a $20 bill as well. That sounds
> excessive. I can understand the $50 and $100 bill issue (cash
> registers don't have places for either denomination), but ISTM that
> "detaining" someone for using a large bill is still rather stupid.
> Take their license plate #, give them change, and let them leave.
That I would agree. I would expect a toll authority to take $20's.
Indeed, I would assume the toll for a large truck is more than the 75c
for an auto.
But for small businessmen it can be hard.
Chain stores ususally have more cash on hand, plus the clerks don't
care.
JG
The tolltaker took my plate number (stepping out of the booth) at the
Lincoln Tunnel in 2000. Tourists carry big bills for the trip. Maybe I
have some change on me, but usually just dump coins in the luggage
back at the hotel.
Andrew M. Saucci, Jr.
"Robert Higgins" <rob...@nospam.bogus> wrote in message
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Since I have never, ever seen an ATM dispense anything other than
$10, $20, and $50 bills, I would like to start a list of banks that dispense
$5 bills. I would look for such a bank in my travels if I needed small
bills. If anyone knows of such a list on Internet, please let us know.
I actually haven't been to too many different banks, but I suspect
that the majority dispense only $20 bills. If I'm wrong, I'd like to know
about it.
george conklin
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=====
Google groups must be at a new low for such low-level pomposity.
Steve Sobol
says...
> And what happens if you find yourself with only 20s in your wallet?
Are you
> supposed to go and buy something worth more than $10 to get change?
Not to mention, lots of businesses refuses $50 or $100, but I've never
heard of ANYONE refusing to accept a $20.
--
Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
Apple Valley, CA
sjs...@JustThe.net
Steve Sobol
on...@anti-grunge.local says...
> Since I have never, ever seen an ATM dispense anything other
than
> $10, $20, and $50 bills, I would like to start a list of banks that dispense
> $5 bills. I would look for such a bank in my travels if I needed small
> bills. If anyone knows of such a list on Internet, please let us know.
Here's an example... from a big bank, even...
There used to be a KeyBank branch on Detroit Avenue in Lakewood, Ohio,
that dispensed small bills, down to $1's.
It was, as far as I know, the only Key ATM *anywhere* that did so.
And I don't know whether it still does.
Steve Sobol
@z31g2000vbs.googlegroups.com>, rsh...@gmail.com says...
> this is absurd
>
> there are bank drive thru tellers all over the US 7 AM to 6 PM and Sat
> until 1PM
>
> and there are atm in the drive thru lanes, one could just pull back in
Depends on the bank. I bank at one of the largest banks in the country,
and they don't have drive-up tellers, not anymore.
May also depend on the location.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
grunge.local> wrote:
> Since I have never, ever seen an ATM dispense anything other than
> $10, $20, and $50 bills, I would like to start a list of banks that dispense
> $5 bills. I would look for such a bank in my travels if I needed small
> bills. If anyone knows of such a list on Internet, please let us know.
As mentioned, I agree that said tollbooth should take a $20 even for a
75c toll, after all, truckers probably have higher tolls. A tollbooth
isn't some small guy in a newstand.
It really isn't all that hard.
I get $20's from the ATM, never anything more than that. But then I
spend them on things like lunch or sundries and have the change, both
coins and paper. It's not exact, but I usually have a few $1's, and a
$5 and $10, and some $20's.
I also like to have $1's and change for tips in restaurants.
Also, I use my debit card to pay for the supermarket and they give
cash back, and they're usually reasonably flexible.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Not to mention, lots of businesses refuses $50 or $100, but I've never
> heard of ANYONE refusing to accept a $20.
I'm not sure how many little "newstands" are around any more since
people don't read the newspaper. But those kinds of guys can be
crusty and don't like getting a $20 for gum or newspaper. Likewise
from a food pushcart if you're only buying a bag of potato chips
(though ok if you're buying a full lunch.)
rsh...@gmail.com
> In article <c01264f9-b259-4612-8cca-0a73ae13abd0
>
> > this is absurd
>
> > there are bank drive thru tellers all over the US 7 AM to 6 PM and Sat
> > until 1PM
>
> > and there are atm in the drive thru lanes, one could just pull back in
>
> Depends on the bank. I bank at one of the largest banks in the country,
> and they don't have drive-up tellers, not anymore.
>
> May also depend on the location.
>
B of A? maybe because of a merger and there is a drive up near by with
drive up tellers
Even in Newark, BofA has drive up
I would have to believe commercial customers demand it
> --
> Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
> Apple Valley, CA
> sjso...@JustThe.net
Steve Sobol
@w36g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, rsh...@gmail.com says...
> B of A? maybe because of a merger and there is a drive up near by with
> drive up tellers
>
> Even in Newark, BofA has drive up
Ha! I don't know how you guessed Bofa, but yes, that's where I do all my
banking.
No, not the result of a merger as far as I know. Bofa has always been
big in California. Remember, before they bought NationsBank, their
corporate HQ was in San Francisco for many, many years. (After the
merger, they moved to the old NationsBank HQ in Charlotte.)
> I would have to believe commercial customers demand it
Well, there isn't much commerce here. :) I'm sure there are a fair
number of branches with drive-up tellers, in the more heavily populated
areas of SoCal. The valley's biggest city is Victorville, with only
107,000 people. And the Post Office won't guarantee next-day delivery on
Express Mail shipments, and FedEx won't guarantee early-morning Express
packges either, because Apple Valley is considered "rural." :) And, on
the hill just a quarter-mile north of my house, you can stand and see
miles and miles of unoccupied land.
So, as I said... "May also depend on location."
--
Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
Apple Valley, CA
sjs...@JustThe.net
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Not to mention, lots of businesses refuses $50 or $100, but I've never
> heard of ANYONE refusing to accept a $20.
Soda and candy vending machines?
A large vending machine complex might have a change machine to break
down larger bills. But a free standing candy or soda machine might
take only $1's and $5's.
Steve Sobol
@f15g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com says...
>
> On Mar 6, 9:21 pm, Steve Sobol <sjso...@JustThe.net> wrote:
>
> > Not to mention, lots of businesses refuses $50 or $100, but I've never
> > heard of ANYONE refusing to accept a $20.
>
> Soda and candy vending machines?
I said anyONE. Machines aren't people, and they weren't included in my
statement.
gpsman
> http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=178322&provider=top
> Chandler says to the toll taker, "So I'm being detained?" She says yes
> sir.
I read that as a sarcastic reply to a stupid question. This guy seems
like a Bullis-type nitwit.
> It is a policy the Florida Turnpike authority instituted for people
> who paid with $20, $50 or $100 bills
Collecting their information, not detaining them. Detaining them
makes no sense. If they don't want change, and a $20, $50 or $100
bill covers the toll they are obviously free to proceed.
Or, provide their information, collect their change and proceed.
This is not rocket science.
> After it happened once, Chandler
> kept testing the system and taped his encounters as he went through
> the toll booths.
>
> One time a toll taker told him, she wouldn't give him his change
> unless he gave her the information. Chandler replied, "So I'm being
> detained." He asked why he was being detained but never got an answer.
I'd bet there was a great rolling of eyes.
> Chandler says this is a serious criminal offense, to detain someone
> without proper legal authority. He says that is exactly what the
> department is doing.
He's exactly wrong.
> When Chandler called and e-mailed the Florida Department of
> Transportation to complain about the policy he was told there is no
> policy to detain people who give large bills. He says that made him
> more concerned, because that meant there were individual rouge toll
> takers detaining people."
Start from a false premise and you can arrive anywhere you'd like.
Expecting every toll booth to be equipped with unlimited change for
large bills covering an 8 hour shift seems unreasonable.
-----
- gpsman
Sancho Panza
> On Mar 5, 3:58 pm, John Lansford<jlnsf...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=178322&provider=top
>
>> Chandler says to the toll taker, "So I'm being detained?" She says yes
>> sir.
>
> I read that as a sarcastic reply to a stupid question. This guy seems
> like a Bullis-type nitwit.
>
>> It is a policy the Florida Turnpike authority instituted for people
>> who paid with $20, $50 or $100 bills
>
> Collecting their information, not detaining them. Detaining them
> makes no sense. If they don't want change, and a $20, $50 or $100
> bill covers the toll they are obviously free to proceed.
>
> Or, provide their information, collect their change and proceed.
In that event, if you do not want to call it detention, it is most
certainly extortion.
>> When Chandler called and e-mailed the Florida Department of
>> Transportation to complain about the policy he was told there is no
>> policy to detain people who give large bills. He says that made him
>> more concerned, because that meant there were individual rouge toll
>> takers detaining people."
>
> Start from a false premise and you can arrive anywhere you'd like.
>
> Expecting every toll booth to be equipped with unlimited change for
> large bills covering an 8 hour shift seems unreasonable.
Not much of a state to be running such a nickel-and-dime operation.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> > On Mar 6, 9:21 pm, Steve Sobol <sjso...@JustThe.net> wrote:
>
> > > Not to mention, lots of businesses refuses $50 or $100, but I've never
> > > heard of ANYONE refusing to accept a $20.
>
> > Soda and candy vending machines?
>
> I said anyONE. Machines aren't people, and they weren't included in my
> statement.
Ok.
But the possible need to buy stuff from vending machines, especially
when on the go, is one of the reasons it's good to carry change and
small bills. Sometimes vending machines are on "exact change only".
often times they reject a particular piece of currency, so one must
use another piece.
On the highway, some smaller reststops have only machines. While many
gas stations now have convenience stores built in*, others are gas
only with food sold by machines. Dealing with attendants at some
staffed gas stations is not so easy, so having small bills helps
expedite a transaction.
*see from coke to Coke.
Larry Sheldon
> Expecting every toll booth to be equipped with unlimited change for
> large bills covering an 8 hour shift seems unreasonable.
I would be OK with "I'm sorry, but for our safety, we are not allowed to
have that much change out here. You will have to pull over to that
parking area and go into the building, they will have your change when
you hand them this receipt".
I would even be OK with signs at every entrance saying "Toll Booths only
accept Bills smaller than $20." I don't like it, but there is precedent.
Steve Sobol
says...
> I would even be OK with signs at every entrance saying "Toll Booths
only
> accept Bills smaller than $20." I don't like it, but there is precedent.
$50, yes. $20, no. I would not patronize any store that had that policy,
and if I knew beforehand that a toll highway had the same policy, I'd
damned well find another route.
N8N
> Expecting every toll booth to be equipped with unlimited change for
> large bills covering an 8 hour shift seems unreasonable.
I don't remember ever seeing a business that wouldn't accept $20
bills. $50, $100, yes. But I don't remember ever having seen
restrictions on $20 bills. When I was a kid, $20 seemed like a lot of
money. But a $20 hasn't been a "large bill" in ages.
nate
N8N
on a high-volume road, they probably have change 15 minutes after the
cash register is emptied. That's assuming that it is emptied
completely, which would be silly to do.
nate
Nathan Perry
John Lansford <jlns...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> When Chandler called and e-mailed the Florida Department of
> Transportation to complain about the policy he was told there is no
> policy to detain people who give large bills. He says that made him
> more concerned, because that meant there were individual rouge toll
> takers detaining people."
Not to detract from the conversation at hand, but "rouge toll takers" is
amusing; it puts me in mind of a bunch of cashiers imbued with a
vermilion hue. :-)
Nathan Perry
"george conklin" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Written on the bill is the note that this is legal tender for a debts,
> public or private.
That's where it depends whether this is happening at the entrance or the
exit. If it's the entrance, you haven't actually used the toll road yet,
so there is no debt. You can just be denied the transaction. If it's the
exit, you have a debt and owe a toll, so currency must legally be
accepted. Whether there's a legal obligation to provide change, I don't
know, but if so, cash should be equally suitable to satisfy that debt as
well. :-)
Nathan Perry
"Andrew M. Saucci, Jr." <spam...@anti-grunge.local> wrote:
> Since I have never, ever seen an ATM dispense anything other than
> $10, $20, and $50 bills, I would like to start a list of banks that dispense
> $5 bills. I would look for such a bank in my travels if I needed small
> bills. If anyone knows of such a list on Internet, please let us know.
I've seen $5 a handful of times. I recall that Wegmans credit union was
one example. They're now merged with ESL, so I'm not sure if ESL ATMs at
Wegmans still dispense the fivers.
Nathan Perry
<9a8b40c1-76a3-4343...@v16g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
There are scads of newstands still around. And with today's big-city
prices, spending less that $20 on a paper or pack of gum is tough to do,
so you're all set. ;-)
Beef Supreme
problems.
rsh...@gmail.com
> In article <8b4b46a0-782e-49d1-ae13-b1e042db3268
>
>
>
> > On Mar 6, 9:21 pm, Steve Sobol <sjso...@JustThe.net> wrote:
>
> > > Not to mention, lots of businesses refuses $50 or $100, but I've never
> > > heard of ANYONE refusing to accept a $20.
>
> > Soda and candy vending machines?
>
> I said anyONE. Machines aren't people, and they weren't included in my
> statement.
>
actually, at least in the east, they have bill readers that take paper
denominations up to 20's and will return change similar to the
automatic checkouts in the stores
> --
> Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
> Apple Valley, CA
> sjso...@JustThe.net
rsh...@gmail.com
> In article <b1a87e2a-3762-4d4e-a8a0-f1d068b98e65
>
> > B of A? maybe because of a merger and there is a drive up near by with
> > drive up tellers
>
> > Even in Newark, BofA has drive up
>
> Ha! I don't know how you guessed Bofa, but yes, that's where I do all my
> banking.
>
come on Steve. 2+2
> No, not the result of a merger as far as I know. Bofa has always been
> big in California. Remember, before they bought NationsBank, their
> corporate HQ was in San Francisco for many, many years. (After the
> merger, they moved to the old NationsBank HQ in Charlotte.)
>
California-centric? I thought it was just the opposite NationsBank
was bigger and in better shape then BofA
Of course BofA was big in CA, they started in CA by Italian immigrants
lending small amounts of money to other immigrants
but the real story is CA allowed state wide banking which most oither
states did not
One of the few other states to allow statewide banking was NC, which
is the reason NCNB/Nationsbank became so huge
> > I would have to believe commercial customers demand it
>
> Well, there isn't much commerce here. :) I'm sure there are a fair
> number of branches with drive-up tellers, in the more heavily populated
> areas of SoCal. The valley's biggest city is Victorville, with only
> 107,000 people. And the Post Office won't guarantee next-day delivery on
> Express Mail shipments, and FedEx won't guarantee early-morning Express
> packges either, because Apple Valley is considered "rural." :) And, on
> the hill just a quarter-mile north of my house, you can stand and see
> miles and miles of unoccupied land.
>
> So, as I said... "May also depend on location."
>
> --
> Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
> Apple Valley, CA
> sjso...@JustThe.net
100,000 people and NO Drive up tellers in CA?
okeeedokeee, even "rural" and I am astounded
Lil Abner
perhaps usually don't work.
It is definitely a sometimes thing.
Lil Abner
the loops, taking their toll if you don't pay. We don't take no stinkin
Twenties. HiyiyiyiHiyiyiyi senories.
rsh...@gmail.com
> I've paid the $1.50 toll on the Muskogee Turnpike with a $20 bill with no
> problems.
the "big" toll roads get a lot of trucks paying high tolls with large
bills
but "little" toll roads like Polk Pkwy get few if any trucks
but the toll take should be able to take a $20 even for a $1 toll, $19
in change is not too much to ask without a problem
amd that Chandler reported that it kept repeating. It indicates there
is a problem
Robert Higgins
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
>Collecting their information, not detaining them. Detaining them
>makes no sense. If they don't want change, and a $20, $50 or $100
>bill covers the toll they are obviously free to proceed.
>
>Or, provide their information, collect their change and proceed.
Or provide them with fake information, collect your change, tell the
toll taker to go fuck himself, and never use that toll road again,
just as you would avoid any other business whose terms do not suit
you.
T.J. Higgins
Steve Sobol
@f31g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, rsh...@gmail.com says...
> > Ha! I don't know how you guessed Bofa, but yes, that's where I do all my
> > banking.
> >
>
> come on Steve. 2+2
I don't believe I've given any clues to where I bank, and Bofa isn't the
only large bank in the area, but ok.
> California-centric? I thought it was just the opposite NationsBank
> was bigger and in better shape then BofA
I didn't say they were California-centric, just that they've always had
a big presence here. There's a difference.
> > Well, there isn't much commerce here. :)
> okeeedokeee, even "rural" and I am astounded
I'm not. I don't know why you are. There are also banks in the Cleveland
area that do not have drive-up windows.
--
Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
Apple Valley, CA
sjs...@JustThe.net
rsh...@gmail.com
> @f31g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, rshe...@gmail.com says...
>
> > > Ha! I don't know how you guessed Bofa, but yes, that's where I do all my
> > > banking.
>
> > come on Steve. 2+2
>
> I don't believe I've given any clues to where I bank, and Bofa isn't the
> only large bank in the area, but ok.
>
> > California-centric? I thought it was just the opposite NationsBank
> > was bigger and in better shape then BofA
>
> I didn't say they were California-centric, just that they've always had
> a big presence here. There's a difference.
>
> > > Well, there isn't much commerce here. :)
> > okeeedokeee, even "rural" and I am astounded
>
> I'm not. I don't know why you are. There are also banks in the Cleveland
> area that do not have drive-up windows.
>
> --
> Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
> Apple Valley, CA
you snipped this:
Of course BofA was big in CA, they started in CA by Italian
immigrants
lending small amounts of money to other immigrants
but the real story is CA allowed state wide banking which most oither
states did not
you may not be aware but Cleveland was a VERY conservative banking
city for many years
you are correct there were no drive up tellers for many years
Now MI was just the opposite with every bank having drive thru
telllers
Steve Sobol
@o15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, rsh...@gmail.com says...
> you snipped this:
Well, yes, because it wasn't relevant to my reply, and it annoys me when
people quote 500 lines of original material only to follow it up with
two lines of their own; I refuse to do it. I leave in only what I need
to leave in for context.
--
Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
Apple Valley, CA
sjs...@JustThe.net
rsh...@gmail.com
> In article <7a32ab52-db89-419f-9cb6-907b2f338015
>
> > you snipped this:
>
> Well, yes, because it wasn't relevant to my reply, and it annoys me when
> people quote 500 lines of original material only to follow it up with
> two lines of their own; I refuse to do it. I leave in only what I need
> to leave in for context.
>
umm, but I think it backed you up
but nonetheless I think the history of BofA is interesting even if it
is a bit irrelevent
I am still surprised in the land of the car which CA remains BoifA in
a city of 100,000+ has no drive thru bank, but ok
> --
> Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
> Apple Valley, CA
> sjso...@JustThe.net
as an aside, and totally ot, your profits must be hurting with gas
prices
or are you able to take them into acct
Steve Sobol
@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, rsh...@gmail.com says...
> umm, but I think it backed you up
>
> but nonetheless I think the history of BofA is interesting even if it
> is a bit irrelevent
Certainly.
> I am still surprised in the land of the car which CA remains BoifA in
> a city of 100,000+ has no drive thru bank, but ok
Well, Desert Community Bank, which used to be local but was bought by
EastWest Bank out of Pasadena, may have a couple. We have Chase here
(former WaMu), as well as Wells Fargo (former Wachovia), and they may
have some drive-up tellers. I only know about Bofa.
But do keep in mind, 100k is small for this area. The entire Victor
Valley has a population of only about 300-330k. That's equal to the
population of *two or three suburbs* of Los Angeles. Compared to
everything else in SoCal, we're not big.
--
Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
Apple Valley, CA
sjs...@JustThe.net
Jimmy
> That's where it depends whether this is happening at the entrance or the
> exit. If it's the entrance, you haven't actually used the toll road yet,
> so there is no debt. You can just be denied the transaction.
Is it possible on most toll roads to say you don't want to pay an
entrance toll, and will make a U-turn to exit to another road? How
would that work? They'd have to stop traffic in all the booths to
your left to let you cross over.
I'd think once you took the entrance ramp, you committed to paying the
toll.
Jimmy
Nathan Perry
<ea40a981-35fb-458a...@v11g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
Jimmy <JimmyG...@mailinator.com> wrote:
It would depend on the toll plaza configuration, but I have definitely
been directed to turn around at a toll entrance. It would tend to work
better at a ticket system trumpet-style entrance, rather than a ramp
toll.