Cape Cod Tunnel
Snowmaster
Resident - Permit" or somesuch. Surely such a beast does not exist. Does
anyone here get the joke? Who started this? What's the story??
Snowmaster
John Van Zandt
having unwary tourists ask how to get to the tunnel to the islands
(Nantucket and Marthas Vineyard, I assume).
John
"Snowmaster" <ros...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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Chip Olson
>I keep seeing bumper stickers in New England reading 'Cape Cod Tunnel -
>Resident - Permit" or somesuch. Surely such a beast does not exist. Does
>anyone here get the joke? Who started this? What's the story??
It's intended to irritate out-of-staters backed up on MA3 approaching
the Sagamore Bridge, aka the Car Strangled Spanner.
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Daniel Salomon
Boston, which is only open to South and East Boston residents, trucks,
taxis, and certain buses during the day weekdays while the approach roads
are being built.
In fact, this is the only through road I know of anywhere that restricts
vehicles based on residency. Go Massachusetts.
-Dan
Chuck Fry
the South Boston end of the tunnel to the Mass. Pike. At the moment
you'd have to take city streets to reach the tunnel entrance, right?
-- Chuck, former Bahston-area resident
In article <8eocg5$1fh$2...@news.fas.harvard.edu>,
Daniel Salomon <dsal...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>The only tunnel-by-permit-only that I know of is the Ted Williams in
>Boston, which is only open to South and East Boston residents, trucks,
>taxis, and certain buses during the day weekdays while the approach roads
>are being built.
>
>In fact, this is the only through road I know of anywhere that restricts
>vehicles based on residency. Go Massachusetts.
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Mike Tantillo
Chuck Fry wrote in message <39104b19$0$2...@nntp1.ba.best.com>...
>I thought this was a temporary restriction, until the Big Dig connects
>the South Boston end of the tunnel to the Mass. Pike. At the moment
>you'd have to take city streets to reach the tunnel entrance, right?
> -- Chuck, former Bahston-area resident
correct. its only to prevent south boston from being clogged with insane
amounts of traffic. it is open to everyone on weekends though...but ya
gotta know the rules in advance....cuz the only signs you are going to see
are "ted Williams Tunnel...Authorized Vehicles only" THe average out of
town motorist probably would have no clue that he is authorized to take the
tunnel on weekends..
Ron Newman
chu...@best.com stated...
>
>I thought this was a temporary restriction, until the Big Dig connects
>the South Boston end of the tunnel to the Mass. Pike. At the moment
>you'd have to take city streets to reach the tunnel entrance, right?
Correct on both counts. This situation will change within a couple
of years. The current restrictions exist in order not to overwhelm
surface streets with traffic.
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Daniel Salomon
: correct. its only to prevent south boston from being clogged with insane
: amounts of traffic. it is open to everyone on weekends though...but ya
: gotta know the rules in advance....cuz the only signs you are going to see
: are "ted Williams Tunnel...Authorized Vehicles only" THe average out of
: town motorist probably would have no clue that he is authorized to take the
: tunnel on weekends..
There are variable message signs that display "Ted Williams Tunnel open to
general traffic", the ones I've seen aren't that close to the tunnel
entrances.
The streets leading up to the tunnel aren't in residential areas --
they're in an industrial mess. I don't see why residents of Southie and
Eastie get the priviledge of using the tunnel while residents of the
Leather District don't.
Instead of discriminating based on residence, why don't they just raise
the auto tolls on the tunnel until the approach roads are finished? I
guess they figure it would look bad for the Big Dig propaganda machine --
these are the people who run television ads showing traffic reporters in
10 years reporting absolutely no delays anywhere in the Boston area. I'd
like to know how the Big Dig will relieve the chronic backups at Mem Drive
and JFK Street in Cambridge, or at the end of the expressway part of Route
2 in Alewife.
The tunnels to East Boston and the Airport charge $3.00 for taxis, versus
the regular auto $2.00, AFAIK since they know most cabs using the tunnel
are taking out-of-town tourists and rich businesspeople to the airport.
Do Boston cabs charge the toll to passengers in both directions, even
though they only pay it inbound? I know Cambridge cabs do, but that's
understandable since they can't carry passengers back from the airport.
-Dan
Alan Hamilton
wrote:
>correct. its only to prevent south boston from being clogged with insane
>amounts of traffic. it is open to everyone on weekends though...but ya
>gotta know the rules in advance....cuz the only signs you are going to see
>are "ted Williams Tunnel...Authorized Vehicles only" THe average out of
>town motorist probably would have no clue that he is authorized to take the
>tunnel on weekends..
I guess I'm not a typical tourist. :-) Actually, it wasn't a weekend
but a holiday. On the Logan side, a VMS said the TWT was open to all
traffic, so I took it.
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Ron Newman
c...@anarres.sitaranetworks.com (Chip Olson) wrote:
> In article <390E4552...@mediaone.net>, Snowmaster wrote:
> >I keep seeing bumper stickers in New England reading 'Cape Cod Tunnel -
> >Resident - Permit" or somesuch. Surely such a beast does not exist. Does
> >anyone here get the joke? Who started this? What's the story??
>
> It's intended to irritate out-of-staters backed up on MA3 approaching
> the Sagamore Bridge, aka the Car Strangled Spanner.
Or the Bourne Bridge. These two bridges over the Cape Cod Canal
are the only routes between Cape Cod and the rest of the United States.
Mike Tantillo
Daniel Salomon wrote in message <8er78s$kiv$4...@news.fas.harvard.edu>...
>Mike Tantillo <mj...@duke.edu> wrote:
>: correct. its only to prevent south boston from being clogged with insane
>: amounts of traffic. it is open to everyone on weekends though...but ya
>: gotta know the rules in advance....cuz the only signs you are going to
see
>: are "ted Williams Tunnel...Authorized Vehicles only" THe average out of
>: town motorist probably would have no clue that he is authorized to take
the
>: tunnel on weekends..
>
>general traffic", the ones I've seen aren't that close to the tunnel
>entrances.
I must have missed them last time I was there.
>
>The streets leading up to the tunnel aren't in residential areas --
>they're in an industrial mess. I don't see why residents of Southie and
>Eastie get the priviledge of using the tunnel while residents of the
>Leather District don't.
They should pop the toll up to like $10 or something UNLESS you have a
SOuthie or Eastie Resident Permit. Economics is the best way control the
amount of traffic. During non-rush hours, everyone pays the same toll.
>
>Instead of discriminating based on residence, why don't they just raise
>the auto tolls on the tunnel until the approach roads are finished? I
>guess they figure it would look bad for the Big Dig propaganda machine --
raise tolls only during peak traffic periods.
>these are the people who run television ads showing traffic reporters in
>10 years reporting absolutely no delays anywhere in the Boston area. I'd
>like to know how the Big Dig will relieve the chronic backups at Mem Drive
>and JFK Street in Cambridge, or at the end of the expressway part of Route
>2 in Alewife.
HAHAHAHAH
>
>The tunnels to East Boston and the Airport charge $3.00 for taxis, versus
>the regular auto $2.00, AFAIK since they know most cabs using the tunnel
>are taking out-of-town tourists and rich businesspeople to the airport.
>Do Boston cabs charge the toll to passengers in both directions, even
>though they only pay it inbound? I know Cambridge cabs do, but that's
>understandable since they can't carry passengers back from the airport.
>
When I took a cab from Logan to MIT in fall of 1998, i vaguely remember only
paying $2. I probably just forgot. Regardless, as soon as we got into the
cab and said the magic letters MIT, he reached over to the meter and added 2
(or maybe 3) bucks to the meter price for the toll. DOes the Ted Williams
Tunnel have the same toll structure as the Sumner/Callahan? If the TWT
doesn't require a toll stop heading to the airport, how do they regulate
Tunnel use during restricted times?
>-Dan
Nathan Perry
rne...@thecia.net (Ron Newman) wrote:
Except the Boston-Provincetown ferry.
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Seth Oakley
noticed a car with the CAPE COD CANAL TUNNEL in big letters 'resident
permit' in small letters, and a big number 5 in the middle of the
sticker. Interseting if you ask me...
seth
Ron Newman wrote:
>
> In article <slrn8guta...@anarres.sitaranetworks.com>,
> c...@anarres.sitaranetworks.com (Chip Olson) wrote:
>
> > In article <390E4552...@mediaone.net>, Snowmaster wrote:
> > >I keep seeing bumper stickers in New England reading 'Cape Cod Tunnel -
> > >Resident - Permit" or somesuch. Surely such a beast does not exist. Does
> > >anyone here get the joke? Who started this? What's the story??
> >
> > It's intended to irritate out-of-staters backed up on MA3 approaching
> > the Sagamore Bridge, aka the Car Strangled Spanner.
>
> Or the Bourne Bridge. These two bridges over the Cape Cod Canal
> are the only routes between Cape Cod and the rest of the United States.
>
PNTX
>they're in an industrial mess
People coming up from the South Shore would drive through the residental
sections of Southie to get through the tunnel. (Morrisey Blvd>Day Blvd>LSt>
Summer St.)
Bill
Daniel Salomon
: They should pop the toll up to like $10 or something UNLESS you have a
: SOuthie or Eastie Resident Permit. Economics is the best way control the
: amount of traffic. During non-rush hours, everyone pays the same toll.
In some sense they do this now, if you count being pulled over and given a
very expensive ticket a "toll". Does anyone know if such a ticket
includes points on your license or insurance surcharges, though?
Why not make the toll very expensive, and sell discount plans for frequent
users without discriminating based on residence? Why should someone who
lives in Southie and works in Revere pay less than someone who lives in
Revere and works in Southie?
: raise tolls only during peak traffic periods.
That's a good idea. In the New York area, it costs the same to cross the
Bayonne Bridge at 3 am as it does to cross the George Washington at 5 pm,
and crossing the Brooklyn Bridge at all times is free. This makes no
sense.
: DOes the Ted Williams
: Tunnel have the same toll structure as the Sumner/Callahan?
I think so.
: If the TWT
: doesn't require a toll stop heading to the airport, how do they regulate
: Tunnel use during restricted times?
Police will pull you over, I'm told. I don't know how they check for your
resident parking permit while you drive past at speed. Also, the Haul
Road in South Boston, a good route to the tunnel, is only for authorized
vehicles even when the tunnel is open to general traffic.
-Dan
Ron Newman
nwp...@student.berklee.edu (Nathan Perry) wrote:
> > > It's intended to irritate out-of-staters backed up on MA3 approaching
> > > the Sagamore Bridge, aka the Car Strangled Spanner.
> >
> > Or the Bourne Bridge. These two bridges over the Cape Cod Canal
> > are the only routes between Cape Cod and the rest of the United States.
>
> Except the Boston-Provincetown ferry.
OK then, the only two *automobile* routes. (The ferry takes
passengers and bicycles only.)
Snowmaster
Interchange? Where exactly are the two ends of the tunnel?? What is the lane
configuration??
Also, does anyone know from whom (as a joke or permit) you get these
stickers??
"Michael F. Maggard" wrote:
> It's amazing what can get built when it's called a "sewage outfall
> tunnel". You don't think those years spent and billions expended on
> putting a tunnel out into Massachusetts Bay were really for sewage do
> you? Naw, they were really to get the real project funded and
> completed without anyone noticing.
>
> If you follow a vehicle with a proper permit you'll notice that
> they'll duck into one of a series of feeder-tunnels that lead out to
> the Deer Island Interchange. From there it's a straight shot across to
> the Cape, usually takes about 45 minutes to an hour depending on
> traffic.
>
> -- Michael
>
> On Tue, 02 May 2000 03:02:38 GMT, Snowmaster <ros...@mediaone.net>
> wrote:
>
> >I keep seeing bumper stickers in New England reading 'Cape Cod Tunnel -
> >Resident - Permit" or somesuch. Surely such a beast does not exist. Does
> >anyone here get the joke? Who started this? What's the story??
> >
> >Snowmaster
Jeff
I recall reading in the Boston Globe that there was some sort
legal dispute between two stores on the cape that were making the
stickers. Maybe somebody else knows more...
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James Lin
> Ok, I'm skeptical at best, but tell me anyway... where is the Deer Island
> Interchange? Where exactly are the two ends of the tunnel?? What is the
> lane configuration??
Argh, he's joking! Can't you tell?
- Jim
> "Michael F. Maggard" wrote:
>
> > It's amazing what can get built when it's called a "sewage outfall
> > tunnel". You don't think those years spent and billions expended on
> > putting a tunnel out into Massachusetts Bay were really for sewage do
> > you? Naw, they were really to get the real project funded and
> > completed without anyone noticing.
> >
> > If you follow a vehicle with a proper permit you'll notice that
> > they'll duck into one of a series of feeder-tunnels that lead out to
> > the Deer Island Interchange. From there it's a straight shot across to
> > the Cape, usually takes about 45 minutes to an hour depending on
> > traffic.
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Snowmaster
> "Snowmaster" <ros...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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> > Ok, I'm skeptical at best, but tell me anyway... where is the Deer Island
> > Interchange? Where exactly are the two ends of the tunnel?? What is the
> > lane configuration??
>
> Argh, he's joking! Can't you tell?
But James, it's like Santa Clause. You just WANT so badly to believe... ;-)
Snowmaster
Morris J. Shlyaf
"Snowmaster" <ros...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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> Ok, I'm skeptical at best, but tell me anyway... where is the Deer Island
> Interchange? Where exactly are the two ends of the tunnel?? What is the
lane
> configuration??
>
> stickers??
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